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Title: Should governments intervene in the free market Post by mantra on Aug 16th, 2008 at 8:04am
Over the past decade we've had to put up with Howard giving unrestricted power to banks and businesses. Easy credit, unsecured loans, massive salary packages to executives and no accountability whatsoever to clients or the government.
We've seen the result of this globally and here in Australia many of us really feeling the pinch. Kevin Rudd appears powerless and instead of introducing some regulations - he's requested the multinationals do the "right thing". What is even more galling is our "future fund". I believed there was more (according to the coalition) - but $60 billion was invested a couple of years ago - there is now only $49 billion left and Rudd is talking about investing another $40 billion this year. Where did this $40 billion come from and why is it being invested overseas and in private equity corporations. The board managing the fund made special clauses to specify that these funds were NOT TO BE invested in Australian infrastructure and services. Have we got a bunch of incompetent, uncaring politicians running our country - or are they working for a higher global order? Nothing appears to be in our "best interest" any longer and Australia is heading quickly down the slippery slope to become a third world country. |
Title: Re: Should governments intervene in the free market Post by Pommy Bastard on Aug 16th, 2008 at 9:13am
Utter claptrap.
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Title: Re: Should governments intervene in the free market Post by freediver on Aug 16th, 2008 at 9:45am
It makes sense to invest it overseas. Otherwise you are putting all your eggs in one basket. Plenty of oversease people invest in Australia, so it's not like we are short on capital. This future fund will be most important if our local market runs into trouble, in which case overseas investments will be far more valuable.
To answer the more general question, yes there are many circumstances where interference is justified. An introduction to microeconomics, market forces, supply and demand etc will list several assumptions. Under those assumptions, a free market will be the best option for providing our needs. Where reality falls short of those assumptions, interference may be justified. Some of the assumptions: Buyers and sellers are well informed, for example about what others in the market are doing. There are many buyers and sellers, so that no individual participant and no individual transaction can significnatly affect the market (ie, no monopolies, oligopolies etc). Transaction costs are not significant, and participants can not hold others 'to ransom' - this is the case for building roads, airports etc where one person can hold out and refuse to sell their land, bringing a major project to it's knees. All people that are affected by the transaction are involved in it - that is, there are no 'externalities'. These last two points cover pollution, where the millions of people that suffer the negative consequences cannot involve themselves in every transaction that elads to pollution. Most intro to microeconomics textbooks will have a full list of the assumptions. One final point is that for many services, such as education or healthcare, people consider it unethical to leave others at the mercy of the free market. |
Title: Re: Should governments intervene in the free market Post by mantra on Aug 16th, 2008 at 11:07am Quote:
Why? Quote:
The money is invested in an American Bank - which hasn't got the greatest history - managing pension accounts for Enron employees and that was a disaster. The US economy is already in dire straits and the Federal Reserve is borrowing cash left, right & centre to prop up their ailing banks. A loss of $11 billion is not mere spare change. Australia is perhaps one of the more stable western nations economically. This money shouldn't have been used for the yanks to gamble with - after all part of it was meant to be eventually used for Australian infrastructure and education. Yet Rudd is planning to pump more money into this fund to play monopoly with. |
Title: Re: Should governments intervene in the free market Post by freediver on Aug 16th, 2008 at 4:31pm
All investments are a gamble.
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Title: Re: Should governments intervene in the free market Post by mantra on Aug 17th, 2008 at 10:48am Quote:
Yes so why are we gambling so much? This money could be going straight into education and infrastructure in Australia TODAY - not 20 years down the track when there's no cash left. We are helping the US get out of debt with our money and it won't work. They owe too much to China and Australia is making too big a sacrifice by allowing our environment and agriculture to be degradated to keep both countries afloat. This is on top of the fact that we are giving the US our savings to invest as they see fit. |
Title: Re: Should governments intervene in the free market Post by freediver on Aug 17th, 2008 at 11:12am
Yes so why are we gambling so much?
Because the odds are in our favour. Putting the money into schools is also a form of investment. |
Title: Re: Should governments intervene in the free market Post by Exotic Cheese on Aug 17th, 2008 at 9:22pm
Not sure why it is 'should governments' considering they always have and there never has been a free market.
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Title: Re: Should governments intervene in the free market Post by freediver on Aug 17th, 2008 at 9:26pm
I think some of the international markets could have been considered free. Like the market in slaves, or the market for gold (before central banks). Pre-currency markets were also largely unregulated.
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