If anyone is interested in watching the movie Zeitgeist and its sequel, you can watch them online here:

 http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=XLwn_QN_ICs

This is the trailer for Zeitgeist:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Zeitgeist is packed full of holes. Not a very good movie (it's not a doco).

The thing I dislike about it most is that it is very convincing and will get people shattering their world views only to adopt a new one which is full of fallacies when they believe they are lucky enough to be in on the secret.

Next thing you know they are looking for a new crowd to hang out with, like-minded individuals, as everyone needs that sense of belonging and acceptance, and their heads get filled with more (seemingly plausible) rubbish that can hardly be proven either way, true or false.

And then who knows who they are hanging out with? Loons or very clever people who are shaping them in to what they want?

Did you like the butterfly effect?

What will it convince people of?

It could cause a very suggestible Christian to abandon their faith, and by that measure possibly a Muslim too.

It also outlines the power structure of the world according to the view of who made the film.

Remember the Bible code doco/movie thingo? Remember how many people believed it, Christians included? Remember how it says somewhere in the Bible about rejecting things like numerology and astrology?

So it's like the DaVinci code?

I'd say it wasn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist,_the_Movie

As much as I hate wikipedia.

Was there one of those weird old german movies with a similar name?

No idea.

Well I posted a thread about it on Spirituality because I found the second Zeitgeist movie to be more suited there.
I didn't realise there was already a thread about it - there's far too many forums here.

Anyway, both 1 and 2 can be watched via the zeitgeist site, it's much easier than watching each part on youtube.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

They are both basically the views of other people put together into a movie/doco.

As for the first Zeitgeist, yes I believe that it was a bit over exaggerated but it did get me researching for myself about the possibility that Jesus never existed. For that I am thankful.

I find it laughable that people will discuss the validity of something based purely on somebody's opinion without doing any research for themselves.


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It could cause a very suggestible Christian to abandon their faith, and by that measure possibly a Muslim too

Breaking news!! All Christians are very suggestible. They need to be to swallow that garbage in the first place.
As for Muslims, they brainwash themselves many times a day into believing their BS so they are more likely to pick up a gun in order to protect their beliefs.

I think that the content in Zeitgeist 2 is more in line with what the world is experiencing atm, and considering it has been in the making since long before this current crisis came into being, the content is not purely reactionary.

I would be interested in discussing the movies with anybody who has actually seen them.

The stuff in Zeitgeist, and I'd assume the new one as you mentioned it talks about financial collapse and the folly that is capitalism, have been discussed for decades, in the exact same context as the movies present.

Just that the movies are crap and far too alarmist.

You can sum up a lot of things in two words


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I'd assume

I'd have to assume seeing as though I haven't seen it.

However talking to people who have seen it, the information is decades old, there are people in their 60's who would have learnt about this stuff in their 20's.

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However talking to people who have seen it, the information is decades old, there are people in their 60's who would have learnt about this stuff in their 20's.

What stuff?

Anyway, like I said, I want to discuss it with somebody who's seen it...end.

Things like financial control, thought control through false education and media, food additives, population reduction, medical coverups, you know.

But like you said.... end.

Thanks for posting the link to this movie, but you won't get much discussion of it here. Try ats maybe?

Yes, and it makes me wonder why you are discussing it at all without seeing it.
That's why I picked up on this thread, because there is obviously somebody else who has watched it.

Amadd wrote on Oct 13^th, 2008 at 10:35pm:

Yes, and it makes me wonder why you are discussing it at all without seeing it. That's why I picked up on this thread, because there is obviously somebody else who has watched it.

You've got three options and must choose two.

1. Drop the hostility.

2. Accept someone can be familiar with ideas without having studied the same curriculum as yourself.

3. Piss off.

Lose the hostility and the arrogance Amadd.

Amadd I like you and I think you have a good heart with good intentions.

You remind me of a post I made on a different website recently, I think it might have been before you even came to this website.

It was something about people who think they have all the answers after watching movies like Zeitgeist who then only discuss it with other people who are on a similar thought train to themselves and consider everyone else sheep or ignorant. They subscribe blind faith to unproven theories (like religion almost) and sit around all day talking about their theories amongst themselves without trying to educate others or help people they deem to be subservient to evil. It was on an uncensored website though and far more profane.

Instead of insisting people watch a 2 hour film, why not use your knowledge to help others and educate them and allow them to ask you questions which you can then educate them with your answers and insight? It's almost like Zeitgeist has scared you in to submission or fear has shut your mind down.

we have a nazi moderator...it figures. >:(



"It's almost like Zeitgeist has scared you in to submission or fear has shut your mind down. "


its a joke right?

Hes not joking.

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Amadd I like you and I think you have a good heart with good intentions.

Weasel, I really can't say that the feeling is reciprocated, but at least I'm honest.
The truth is that you don't like me and I don't care.

You censored my reply for no reason at all except that you don't like being made fun of, and/or you don't like the discussion in which I wish to partake.

I really can't see the big hoo-ha about discussing Zeitgeist. It's just a point of view(s) that's been put together fairly well, but it's caused such a massive stir, especially amongst the religious community. It's like they thought that we actually believed their garbage in the first place.  ;D
At least the first Zeitgeist movie goes some way towards making sense of the hows and whys of the evolution of Christianity.
Apparently, it gets shown at over 700 campuses across the U.S.A., which can't be a bad thing for the over-religious yanks.

And no I certainly don't take every word of it as being fact, just like anything else I hear, watch or read. And I don't think that I have all of the answers after watching Zeitgeist anymore than I did than after watching "The Matrix".
The point is, I like to get snippets of information from all types of sources, do some research, discuss them, and put them together into something which I feel makes some sense to me.

Of course there sometimes only needs to be one fact that can make an entire statement false.

For example, if you were to say: "I believe in freedom of speech", I could then blow that statement away by pointing out the control that you are needlessly attempting to exert here by censoring my previous reply.


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....who then only discuss it with other people who are on a similar thought train to themselves and consider everyone else sheep or ignorant.

It's nothing to do with people being on the same thought train as me, it's to do with the way that people see the same information as I have seen that I wish to discuss.
I previously avoided this site because there were too many left wingers like me here, and everybody agreed too much.

To sum up:
Being a moderator doesn't mean that you have to partake in, and control, every discussion.

Don't stuff with people's free speech.

There is no such thing as free speech in Australia. We have sedition laws.

Amadd, there are hardly any people here who have seen this film. You are not going to get a great discussion on the film. Go to a conspiracy oriented website with a large membership, or at least a forum that has over 5000 members if you want a decent discussion on this film.

I do believe in Freedom Of Speech Amadd. You are the one who doesn't. You refuse to discuss an ideology with someone who hasn't studied the exact same doctrine as you. You are a hypocrite.

If you want some film discussion go take it to the movie thread in secret womens business. If you want to discuss conspiracies and try and help people, you are more than welcome to post here.

;D

...how about reading the topic?

Sorry I got off topic Amadd.

I suppose you would prefer that individuals lost their sense of individuality and just conformed to set standards and rules and never deviated from the course?

We have another thread in here somewhere with a similar thing where someone posted a movie link and I said I will discuss it with you if you give me a brief summary of it. And they did. I might go resurrect that thread.

Anyway Amadd, I can address your points in your post, can you be polite and do the same for me?

I can't say that I'm really interested in discussing it in this forum now anyway.

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Zeitgeist: Addendum October 20th, 2008 I finally watched the second Zeitgeist movie, Zeitgeist: Addendum. The first 64 minutes are pretty good, as it related to money creation. This portion of the film is really just a presentation of the Web of Debt. At 65 minutes in, however, we lose cabin pressure and the film devolves into a techno utopian, cybernetic socialism circle jerk. Frankly, I won’t waste my (or your) time by going through the problems with this in much detail. In short, by focusing on an outlandish utopian vision for the future, the film leads viewers down a dead end path of domed cities and flying cars. Oh sure, the machines will do everything for us, feed us, clothe us. There will be no politics. No wants. No worries. Etc. Etc. You get the picture. If the filmmaker was genuinely interested in promoting a resource based system of abundance, why didn’t he interview Bill Mollison? Mollison’s permaculture has a decades long track record of providing abundance for people around the world. Jacque Fresco’s “abundance” exists in tabletop models and computer animations. In summary, there’s some good material about money creation and clean energy systems (which most of you know about already), but it’s mixed up with a bunch of technocommunist rat poison.

http://cryptogon.com/?p=4531

Brief analysis of the brief analysis of a movie I have not seen:

The good parts (about financial systems) are stolen/rehashed from elsewhere.

All humans are lovely people and incapable of doing bad, it is the bad actions of others which cause people to misbehave, who was the original bad guy then?

Robots do everything, this is good, people will no longer have to work (employment) and live in bliss. They will be useless to society. It would be scary if there were people out there who support things like population reduction and only the survival of essential industry....

No politics, so no leaders, forget the fact humans are social creatures and demand social hierarchy, gangs wont form and lead to a situation of social anarchy and a culture of bullying and intimidation...

Sounds like a movie put out because awareness was rising, and the new converts and easily influenced needed to be pushed towards a new web of deception hidden under a cloak of revelation, safety and touchy feely bullshit.

 

Hello Weaser,

I'm happy to be able to respond to your post without fear of deletion.
Thankyou for resigning your position. You've done yourself proud. :)

Now keep in mind that it is you who is making such big deal of watching or not watching Zeitgeist 2, and still you rattle on.

Of course I won't be bothered trying to discuss with you the points of the movie/doco that I was interested in discussing, but a few of the points that I am/was interested in were as follows:

Are we making the most of our available resources?
Should we be relying on ourselves and our local communities more than we rely on "the system"?
Will there be a day where religions will be seen as being archaic, and will therefore be updated with more modern and knowedgable philosophies?
..or whatever else.

I think I've outlined enough times the idealisms involved in the Zeitgeist 2 movie/doco, and also the fact that it's just a collaboration of known ideas and theories, but you seem to choose to put the whole thing into the category of some messianic message where religious people must fear the wrath of God or the devil if they watch it.

Like almost anything put forward for consideration, there's angles (not angels) involved, and the creator wants you to see a point of view.
The main point of view that I see, is that we have enough resources available already to be living in a better place without wars, starving and suffering. However, as you've proven, there will always be those who have no idea of how to present leadership; there's a
big difference between wanting lead and wanting to control.

I doubted from the very start that I'd be able to discuss anything much with you that is of personal interest, mainly because of your unfounded defensiveness, and of course, the simple fact that you haven't even seen the subject of discussion.

I won't bother picking apart the critical review that you've entered, but it's probably less critical than the downside review that I've already posted:


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To be critical, I'd say that it's a bit boring, a bit too idealogical, nothing that I haven't seen before, there's quite a bit of movie making involved, and I don't know much about the people who provide their POV's or (so-called) facts.

I did however, think that the "technocommunist rat poison" statement was a bit rich considering the world's current situation.
Free trade capitalism is really kicking butt for us all atm isn't it?
Next will be capitalist cries for more government control over how "free trade" operates.

I don't believe in divine intervention, but I do believe in possibilities for the (most probably) distant future.
If you consider how far we (humans) have come in just 100 years as far as outgrowing a barbaric nature, then we're probably doing sort of OK..relatively speaking of course.
But nobody's talking about changing the world tomorrow!
I'm more interested in what people would consider a utopian society to be. Fresco's vision doesn't
go far enough as far as I'm concerned.

And so I get a bit idealistic at times...so what?
Where else should I discuss my idealisms rather than a "Fringe, or a Spirituality" forum?
You discuss UFO abductions here don't you?


IMO, the next time that you find yourself jumping up and down, and waving your arms in the air with your boobs jouncing to an hysterical beat because of something you haven't even seen, you might like to remind yourself that most people can think for themselves...and they do.

Hello Amadd.

I read the first line of your post.

I refuse to partake in any discussion on any topic with you at this website. Won't explain this to you again.

Merci.

Do you mean that you didn't read the part about the boobs jouncing to an hysterical beat? ...sometimes I just crack me up  ;D