Ok FD...  it's time you reigned in the Muslims here.  I don't mind debate but this heavy handed crap from someone who is supposed to be an even-handed moderator is rubbish.


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Sender: abu_rashid To: Grendel Subject: warning Date: Today at 10:35am cease posting your garbage in the thread, or you'll be banned. If you want to discuss it, discuss it. If you just wanna keep cutting and pasting garbage without even looking at what's being said, go do it in another forum.

Problem being I was discussing and debating...  unlike aboo.  Perhaps the point was some people were agreeing with me.

Where was his problem...  on the Muslim clerics topic.
Be quick b4 he deletes everything.

Too late...
been deleted.

Well you know where you can shove your Islamic forum and the mod: offensive language that moderate it fd.

And no I don't resile from that term.

They have no right to delete things just because they prove then wrong.

Yes he has deleted a few of mine there today, it must be tough trying to be consistent, when you are on such shaky ground.

He deleted my lemur :(, when I thought I had finally found a muslim cleric(Ulema) ;D

I am over it, mod: offensive, and my one hope is that ordinary muslims do not practice it like the extremists do.

Yes, he's very biased, but he told me today that it's ok to respond to a personal attack, with a personal attack. So everyone can pretty much personally attack lestat, based on abu's rule. Fire away.

wasn't about personal abuse

was about reality and facts...  

and yes that's all lestat does.

Yes, Abu. It's one thing to be a true defender of your faith but quite another just to refuse to concede a point by deleting posts.

To cancel criticism makes you look like a coward and it makes your vigilance against swearing et al seem pedantic, self-righteous and empty.

A true protagonist of the faith would welcome criticism as an opportunity to prove the value of his belief.

Yes well this latest affront is the last nail in the muslim coffin for me.
All they've done here is manage to convince me that so-called Moderate Muslims are dishonest and can't be trusted.

I had a similarily aggressive abusive PM threatening me with banning.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 11:44am:

I had a similarily aggressive abusive PM threatening me with banning.

Waddaya know - I had a couple of deletions and a threatening PM!

abu_rashid wrote on Yesterday at 4:12pm:

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if you post it one more time, you'll be on the bench for good.

The offesive post in the 'Koran is not from Allah' thread:

The Koran is a turgid, repetitive parody of old and new testament writing.

It is always defended with reference to these two other books, never on its own merit.

Despite its often repeated beauty and unsurpassed grandeur, criticism of it carries the death penalty.

And criticisms like this are deleted from the forum, as were my earlier comments today.

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I continue to find it ridiculous that people will base their view of a religion upon one muslim person and their moderating habits on the internet- but hey, whatever you reckon.

as for this thread- I don't know why this is in the extremism forum as it essentially is a complaint about the islam forum and should be directed to the feedback board. not to mention the numerous threads that already exist criticising abu and his modding methods that could have been utilised. so it shall be moved.

gaybriel - thing is, Abu is here as a rep of all muslims.
he should be on his best ehaviour.
lestat also represents islam.
Malik was here and represented islam even more resolutely.

That is 3 from 3 that have been abusive, aggressive and arrogant.

They have not refuted MANY of the quotes from islamic CLERICS
they have deflected, asked questions back, refused to answer or abused.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 2:07pm:

gaybriel - thing is, Abu is here as a rep of all muslims. he should be on his best ehaviour. lestat also represents islam. Malik was here and represented islam even more resolutely. That is 3 from 3 that have been abusive, aggressive and arrogant. They have not refuted MANY of the quotes from islamic CLERICS they have deflected, asked questions back, refused to answer or abused.

that is incredibly pathetic reasoning

That's an incredibly pathetic reply
Abu would be proud of it.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 3:09pm:

That's an incredibly pathetic reply Abu would be proud of it.

do you really need me to break down for you the reasons why taking 3 people as representative of millions is pathetic?

do you really need me to point out that when someone is constantly attacked and denigrated and their religion disrespected and the rules of their forum broken that it is only logical that they will not at all times portray saint like qualities? and that broken rules end up in the punishments already set out, such as moddings, deletions, warnings and eventually bannings?

do you really need me to explain to you that even if someone claims to be representative of the people of their religion or the religion itself that that does not automatically mean that they will be a good representation of those things? so even if you interpret abu as being a bad representation that this does not determine the nature of Islam or other muslims?

certainly we all have faults sprint- but it seems to me that the continual attack upon abu's character and modding behaviour stems more from basic bigotry, a sense of pride, arrogance, and self-importance than any actual breach of human rights. people cannot seem to deal with their words being deleted because they view themselves and their views as so precious that to delete them is some sort of affront to the basic principles of free speech. rather than it being a direct consequence of a lack of respect for other people, for Islam and for the rules of the forum.

people seem to view any form of vitriole and abuse being tolerated as an exemplary form of the virtues of free speech, completely ignoring the fact that there is such a thing as an abuse of rights which does not necessarily equate to an oppression of them- rather an exploitation.

perhaps if people concerned themselves more with their own behaviour and their own attitudes they would see an improvement in the behaviour of those around them.

Forget it - it was Abu.

Sorry Aussie - my mistake.

Oh wake up gaybriel.

they started off with bannings for the wrong avatar, this was after threatening me and F/D with legal action.

go and get your "dhimmi badge" for submitting first.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 5:24pm:

Oh wake up gaybriel. they started off with bannings for the wrong avatar, this was after threatening me and F/D with legal action. go and get your "dhimmi badge" for submitting first.

oh boo hoo

you're a big boy- I'm sure you can deal with tough words.

you're telling me that that is your justification for all your vitriol?

even if they had never done that you would act exactly the same way- it may just have taken you a little bit longer to reveal your true colours

why don't you stop being an apologist and address the issue...

Muslim mods deleting posts because they prove their arguments to be rubbish.

It's not against the forum rules not even the Islam forum to prove someone wrong or put up a good argument.

They/he had NO right to delete my posts or give me a warning.

Grendel wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 6:08pm:

why don't you stop being an apologist and address the issue... Muslim mods deleting posts because they prove their arguments to be rubbish. It's not against the forum rules not even the Islam forum to prove someone wrong or put up a good argument. They/he had NO right to delete my posts or give me a warning.

my day isn't complete without you calling me an apologist. it's such a rush.

are those the reasons he deleted your posts? have you asked him?

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That is 3 from 3 that have been abusive, aggressive and arrogant.

Did you ever stop and think maybe you (and your fellow islam-bashers) are the problem here? You're the more likely constant in all this. From the day I began posting here, I've not seen you let up with your vitriol, condescending, outright sladerous and hate filled posts about Islam and Muslims.

Now I've been patient for a long time, as was Malik, and Lestat... well he doesn't have much patience. We all began our discussions here in good faith, politely and with a view towards creating tolerance and understanding. We've been met with constant attacks against Islam and our personal selves so many many times it's not funny. Even Lestat, i know posts on other non-Muslim forums, about such topics, and he said he's never seen the kind of hate and vitriol he's experienced here.

You've got nobody to blame but yourselves. I'm taking a zero tolerance approach to attackers and detractors of Islam now. If you wanna discuss in a polite and intellectual manner, then you're welcome, if you're not, kindly post elsewhere, you're not welcome in the Islamic forum. Check the guidelines, they're going to be tightened over the next few days, to keep insincere and non-constructive contributors out.

Well if you stop being an apologist gaybriel I'll stop calling you one.
Did that thought ever cross your mind?

Obviously not.

And why would anyone in their right mind move this to the relationships forum?  hmmm.

It's a better fit in extremism exposed.

aboo don't make me laugh you just deleted arguments from me that were neither abusive nor hateful, nor off topic.

if you cant handle dissent and people posting facts and opinions then bugger off and let someone else who is fair minded and unbiased take over.

Oh and sincere and constructive to you would be a fellow Muslim YES-MAN...  or an apologist.  Because that's all you'll have left to talk to very soon.

Grendel wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 7:12pm:

Well if you stop being an apologist gaybriel I'll stop calling you one. Did that thought ever cross your mind? Obviously not.

but I don't want you to stop- I love it. say it again, come on- please?


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And why would anyone in their right mind move this to the relationships forum?  hmmm. It's a better fit in extremism exposed.

ask freediver as I assume he's the one who moved it here after I moved it to the feedback board

Abu - hahahahahaha

people were banned as soon as the islam forum opened !!!!!!!!!!

You are tolerant as long as noone says a peep against anything you like.

Gaybriel wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 4:18pm:

[quote author=sprintcyclist link=1225241291/0#13 date=1225256943] That's an incredibly pathetic reply Abu would be proud of it. a lack of respect for other people, for Islam and for the rules of the forum.

Islam is given all the respect it has earned and therefore deserves on these forums and elsewhere in the world.

Ideas do not automatically deesrve respect, nor do religions. People do, but not their ideas, beliefs and especially acts,  as a matter of course.
Ideas, religions, acts will be respected when they have earned it. Respect, like love, is worthleess when given in response to threats.
Islam is an ideology and a religion[b] in whose name [/b]a lot of violence and thugerry has been committed. Yet it demands respect - or else it threatens or delivers violence. Those who wish to defend islam must reckon with this, not sush it or rule it out of court, especially those who set themselves up as speakers out of Islam.

There is a massive cognitive dissonance between the rhetoric of offended sensibility by muslims and the barbarity commited daily in the name of Islam and the policy of threatening violence if respect is not forthcoming.

To call those who notice this massive discrepancy 'disrespectful' is dishonest and offensive.

Soren wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 9:48pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Oct 29th, 2008 at 4:18pm: [quote author=sprintcyclist link=1225241291/0#13 date=1225256943] That's an incredibly pathetic reply Abu would be proud of it. a lack of respect for other people, for Islam and for the rules of the forum. [quote] Islam is given all the respect it has eearned and therefore deserves on these forums. Ideas do not automatically desrve respect, nor do religions. People do, but not their ideas, beliefs and especially acts,  as a matter of course. Ideas, religions, acts will be respected when they have earned it. Respect, like love, is worthleess when given in response to threats. Islam is an ideology and a religion in whose name a lot of violence and thugerry has been committed. It demands respect - or else it threatens or delivers violence. Those who wish to defend islam must reckon with this, not sush it or rule it out of court, especially those who set themselves up as speakers out of Islam. There is a massive cognitive dissonance between the rhetoric of offended sensibility by muslims and the barbarity commited daily in the name of Islam and the policy of threatening violence if respect is not forthcoming. To call those who notice thiss massive discrepancy 'disrespectful' is dishonest and offensive.

there is a way to be critical of a religion and still speak about it in a respectful manner

if you feel islam has nothing to offer- why bother discussing it at all?

Gaybriel wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 9:51pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 29th, 2008 at 9:48pm: Gaybriel wrote on Oct 29th, 2008 at 4:18pm: [quote author=sprintcyclist link=1225241291/0#13 date=1225256943] That's an incredibly pathetic reply Abu would be proud of it. a lack of respect for other people, for Islam and for the rules of the forum. [quote] Islam is given all the respect it has eearned and therefore deserves on these forums. Ideas do not automatically desrve respect, nor do religions. People do, but not their ideas, beliefs and especially acts,  as a matter of course. Ideas, religions, acts will be respected when they have earned it. Respect, like love, is worthleess when given in response to threats. Islam is an ideology and a religion in whose name a lot of violence and thugerry has been committed. It demands respect - or else it threatens or delivers violence. Those who wish to defend islam must reckon with this, not sush it or rule it out of court, especially those who set themselves up as speakers out of Islam. There is a massive cognitive dissonance between the rhetoric of offended sensibility by muslims and the barbarity commited daily in the name of Islam and the policy of threatening violence if respect is not forthcoming. To call those who notice thiss massive discrepancy 'disrespectful' is dishonest and offensive. there is a way to be critical of a religion and still speak about it in a respectful manner if you feel islam has nothing to offer- why bother discussing it at all?

Because it has plans for my children's future that I do not want them to have.
Because it is in the news every day with fresh horror and outrage.

Because of l these  and other things, there is and Islamic forum. There is no Budddhist or Taoist forum. These are not offensive.
I am all for Islam in Araby. Good place for it. Here, in an open society, I do not want to be told, with an air of threatening violence, that Islam needs to be respected.

It has to earn respect and it's not doing it.

gaybriel - because extremists see it as their goal in life to enslave the world in their vile belief.
Some fools think "It is just another belief."

idiots.
Ask ANY muslims if "it is just another belief."

soren- you've missed my point completely

sprint- well then, critique in a respectful manner

gaybriel - get stuffed

Okay, it seems you all have had a spit.  Cathartic, I'm sure.

Now, shut up.  Get it?

I mean it..........

Shut up!

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 29^th, 2008 at 10:32pm:

gaybriel - get stuffed

I love you too baby

sorry mod- I'm done now

Is it just me or do iPods take forever to charge?

I love you too gaybriel.    :) :)

easel wrote on Oct 30^th, 2008 at 1:12am:

Is it just me or do iPods take forever to charge?

;D ;D

easel wrote on Oct 30^th, 2008 at 1:12am:

Is it just me or do iPods take forever to charge?

I dunno.... Approximately how long does it take before you're charged?

You'got to respect that

http://www.jesusandmo.net/2008/02/01/again/

You have all had ample to time to vent.

Thread closed.