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"The Australian
November 20, 2008
David Hicks speaks out on new life  editor | November 20, 2008
The Australian
DAVID Hicks's father has made an emotional plea to Kevin Rudd not to impose a second control order on his son, who has broken his silence in a

“I'm concerned that the AFP will recommend the Attorney-General impose a new control order,” Hicks says in the video.

“I don't know what the future holds for me. The only thing I do know is that until the control order is lifted, I will not be able to get on with my life.”

Hicks says he will tell his full story one day, but not yet.

“I'm still recovering from that ordeal. I'm not yet ready to explain what happened or why.”

Terry Hicks told The Australian Online this morning he was proud of the fact his son had managed to find and hold down a job despite the strict rules of the control order.

The order prohibits him from even using a mobile or landline phone without the approval of the Australian Federal Police. "

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,24897,24679405-601,00.html

AFP have lifted all restrictions on David Hicks. He is a free man.

He is speaking of releasing a book soon.






FORMER Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks is considering writing a book after he is released from his control order this Christmas, but is content for now to continue his job of potting plants in a Sydney nursery.



David Hicks breaks silence
.After Australian Federal Police confirmed last night they would not apply for an extension of the control order on Mr Hicks, which includes a strict curfew and bans him from using the internet or a public telephone, he described the decision last night as "a great relief for my family and me".

"I owe the Australian people a lot," he said. "The decision not to renew my control order will allow me ... to move on with my life. Thank you."

The AFP confirmed late yesterday it would not renew the order, just hours after Mr Hicks launched a video appeal for it to be lifted.

Speaking of his years of solitary confinement in what he called the hell of Guantanamo Bay, Mr Hicks said: "Because I'm still recovering from that ordeal I'm not yet ready to fully explain what happened or why."

In the video, released by the political activist group Get Up, he said: "I don't know what the future holds for me. The only thing I do know is that until the control order is lifted I will not be able to get on with my life."

His father, Terry Hicks, said last night his son was still "pretty stressed" but looking forward to moving on and was considering writing a book with him.

State and federal law will prohibit him or his family profiting from any publishing deal.

"It will mean a lot to David," his father said.

"I think he will be a little lost for a while because he's so used to reporting to different people.

"Once these control orders are lifted, it depends where the opportunities lie with the treatments he's getting, but that's up to David. There's nothing to stop David Hicks writing a book, or for films being made; it's just he can't make any money out of it."

Mr Hicks's lawyer, David McLeod, said he believed his client had made a decision to tell his story, the only question being when and how.

"He's aware the public wants to know and has a right to know," Mr McLeod said. "I suspect he will, in the fullness of time, tell his story, but just how and when and in what circumstances remains to be seen."

Mr McLeod congratulated the AFP for making a rational decision on the control order.

Former attorney-general Philip Ruddock - the man many hold responsible for Mr Hicks's long incarceration at Guantanamo Bay - said he accepted the decision not to renew the control order.
"I'd have no problem with him living in my street," Mr Ruddock told Sky News.

The Australian has learned that Mr Hicks, who attended training camps run by al-Qa'ida and met Osama bin Laden, has been working as a gardener in a Sydney nursery and has a "good job and a steady relationship", according to supporters.

"In my mind, he's proved himself in the time he's been with us," said his boss, Patrick. "He genuinely wants to get a start and we want to give him a start. Some people may think poorly of us for giving him a start, but so be it.

"We didn't employ him to seek publicity, but the guy is agentleman and everyone in my company is happy to work withhim.

"He's genuinely interested in horticulture and he wants to go back and start his own business in Adelaide."

Another Hicks supporter, entrepreneur Dick Smith, yesterday urged him to write a book, and welcomed the decision not to extend the control order.

"It seems to be a waste of police resources to have the control order," Mr Smith said.

"He's trying to be a proper member of society. He's got a steady relationship and a good job. I understand he's been taking his kids out fishing."

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It seems phillip Ruddock has had a change of heart about just how dangerous the much maligned " terrorist", David Hicks is/was.

I kind of suspect this indicates Ruddock was merely mouthing Liberal party line on this all those years he [ Hicks ] was locked up .

Now he doesnt have to tow the party line..he is free to give a glimpse of his own feeling on Hicks..
If Hicks was truly ever considered dangerous ..why are they now lifting all restrictions ?

Oh please not your boyfriend the terrorist again...

Good news. It's a bit strange for the police to demand that someone not give their side of the story to the media. He may be planning to get it 'all done at once', so that the cat is well and truly out of the bag.

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 10:55am:

Good news. It's a bit strange for the police to demand that someone not give their side of the story to the media. He may be planning to get it 'all done at once', so that the cat is well and truly out of the bag.

Could be FD..he doesnt look like he is any hurry tho'.

He could now perhaps now find an overseas publisher or his father could .It will  be snapped up by a lot of very curious pple wanting to know the truth.

Howard will be ultimately responsible for anything damaging that does emerge..it doesnt seem to matter for Howard tho'..his shame file is already full to bursting.
::)

Howard is reponsible for Dayoud Hicks' actions...  ROTFLMAO

You misunderstand Grendel. That is not what is being claimed.

Grendel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 11:34am:

Howard is reponsible for Dayoud Hicks' actions...  ROTFLMAO

Try reading for comprehension Rik.

No i understand...  I also understand that the damage done was done by Hicks his actions or precipitated by his actions not anything the poor old ex PM ever did.

History never happens in a vaccuum Grendel. Those who insist on a single cause interpretation are always trying to mislead.

You support Hicks and his behaviour fd?

Grendel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 12:07pm:

No i understand...  I also understand that the damage done was done by Hicks his actions or precipitated by his actions not anything the poor old ex PM ever did.

"Poor old ex PM? " He is poor and old but that didnt stop him trying to  pull the wool 11 months ago, just one more time huh?

C,mon..dont try that one.

Hicks was never proven guilty by way of a fair trial and the whole of Australia knows it..including the" poor old ex PM"..and yet he let him rot for 5 years enduring torture all for what in the end.?

The Aust pple fought to free him and he was on an election eve..how predicatable.

Hicks is guilty from his own letters and mouth...  not much of a trial...  did you train with a terrorist organisation?   Ah derrrrr  YES.  

grendel - he was a traitor and should have been treated as such.

Rule .303

Yes a few guys have mentioned that to me just today.

I can just see Og throwing herself in the way of the bullets to save him.

Grendel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 12:28pm:

Yes a few guys have mentioned that to me just today. I can just see Og throwing herself in the way of the bullets to save him.

Letters..probably fakes.


"I can just see Og throwing herself in the way of the bullets to save him"

whats this ..? jealous muffin? :-*

the letters aren't fakes doofus.

Grendel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 12:55pm:

the letters aren't fakes doofus.

1-How do you know the letters aren't fakes?

and

2-So is that you are or are not jealous lambchop?    ;)

Ah they were his letters...  what don't you understand about HIS LETTERS.

Grendel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 4:39pm:

Ah they were his letters...  what don't you understand about HIS LETTERS.

Ahhh-what dont you understand about the words "patsy " "scapegoat" and" fabricating evidence"? Its what Goverments do when they frame pple... do you also understand "gullible"Beo..?

Remember Haneef?

Grendel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 12:11pm:

You support Hicks and his behaviour fd?

No. Why?

Good fd...  at least you got something right today.

Ah Og...  we went over this years ago...  the letters are his, his Dad says the letters are his, he sent the letters to his dad...  :D

:D ;D :D ;D :o

Grendel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 9:44pm:

Good fd...  at least you got something right today. [b]Ah Og...  we went over this years ago...  the letters are his, his Dad says the letters are his, he sent the letters to his dad...

Years ?..not exactly.

You went over this..who else could get a word in..?

The fact they were "sent" to his dad..means what?- that he wasn't framed...? How do we know they were sent to his dad..coz his dad may have said so. Maybe under duress?

Were they sent to his dad..prove it if you can..then you can say I'm wrong.Until then...... 8-)

Oh and what about Haneef..same pple who framed Hicks...The Howard Govt.

You didn't adress the Haneef thing .

Is this like the blind leading the blind or what?

He wasn't necessarily a traitor. We don't know him, or what he was thinking.

As far as I know, he was first in Kosovo, fighting for freedom. From there he became ideologically motivated to the Islamic cause, maybe because of the things he saw in Kosovo and because the Islamic cause was fighting against an adversary he had already been up against, seen first hand, and understood their methods and aims.

We just don't know. Let him say what he has to say.

After all, people who know him describe him as a gentleman. Therefore he was probably morally guided rather than guided by bloodlust.

hey Ogly I remember correcdtly and YOU were stopping people getting a word in cause you were infatuated...  still are it seems.

Still cant retain facts even though most people were telling you...  not just me.

His Dad used the letters in The President vs David Hicks doco stupid...  I suppose his dad didn't know there was a huge conspiracy...  LOL and even David didn't know his letters were not his letters.  :D

As for morally guided easel I don't think most mercenaries are morally guided nor is the attitude "where else can you go on holidays and shoot at people" very moral...  IMO.

Grendel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2008 at 6:45am:

hey Ogly I remember correcdtly ("correctly" boof)and YOU were stopping people getting a word in cause you were infatuated...  still are it seems.never was..just dont like injustices forced onto the defenceless Still cant retain facts even though most people were telling you...  not just me.a lot of pple agreeing with me too His Dad used the letters in The President vs David Hicks doco stupid  so you recognise stupid do you boof..may I suggest you've been shaving again..as early as this morning too...  I suppose his dad didn't know there was a huge conspiracy...  LOL and even David didn't know his letters were not his letters.  :Dtell it to all your nightly apparitions boof...they all agree with you ;D As for morally guided easel I don't think most mercenaries are morally guided nor is the attitude "where else can you go on holidays and shoot at people" very moral...  IMO.

I happen to think easel is right..David never has and still doesn't look or smell like a terrorist and I have a very keen sense of smell when it comes to pple spurt!!

But I can't  tell if your a Lynx or a Brut' man atm

So what do you call someone who goes to war zones and joins in unofficially...?

A; Mercenary or idiot?

What do you call someone who changes his religion and joins a jihad against his own country and other western countries.

A; Traitor or idiot?

What do you call someone who joins a terroris training camp to learn how to kill and maim?

A; Terrorist or idiot?

What do you call someone who rejoices at the act of 9/11 and rushes back to the frontline in Afgahnistan to help in the war?

A; Traitor or idiot?

What do you call someone who writes it all down and admits to it?

A; Idiot or idiot?


What do you call an Ogly poster who thinks facts are some sort of conslpiracy, even if many people tell her and show her year after year after year?

A; Idiot.


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In training with al-Qaeda, Hicks told his family he was a "practical soldier," training for martyrdom. His hope was to help see to it that "Western-Jewish domination is finished, so we live under Muslim rule again." As his own father was forced to admit: He's a terrorist in our eyes and he's fighting against his own.

Grendel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2008 at 11:09am:

So what do you call someone who goes to war zones and joins in unofficially...? A; Mercenary or idiot? idiot What do you call someone who changes his religion and joins a jihad against his own country and other western countries. A; Traitor or idiot? idiot What do you call someone who joins a terroris training camp to learn how to kill and maim? A; Terrorist or idiot? idiot What do you call someone who rejoices at the act of 9/11 and rushes back to the frontline in Afgahnistan to help in the war? A; Traitor or idiot? rejoices??...give me a break.. What do you call someone who writes it all down and admits to it? A; Idiot or idiot? this is the part where we disagree...thought you had me there didn't you? ;) What do you call an Ogly poster who thinks facts are some sort of conslpiracy,"conspiracy" boof even if many people tell her and show her year after year after year? someone who has a mind of her own..and loves to wind you up A; Idiot. Quote: In training with al-Qaeda, Hicks told his family he was a "practical soldier," training for martyrdom. His hope was to help see to it that "Western-Jewish domination is finished, so we live under Muslim rule again." As his own father was forced to admit: He's a terrorist in our eyes and he's fighting against his own. As you yourself just said.."forced"..

http://www.navigate.com.my/images/book_covers/03-Your-Erroneous-Zones.jpg

lol

Live in denial...  Hicks wrote to his family admitting all this...  his dad even said he was a terrorist...

The fact is you keep denying reality...  the letters are real and written by Hicks.

Leave out the personal attacks please Grendel.

I'm sorry...  are you blind?
Or is it just OK for Og and not for me?

Just leave out the personal attacks.

is that an answer...  or will you remove the flames etc ?

i mean...  they are obvious in every post...  or are you blind?

You want me to edit your posts for you? I prefer not to waste my time, and to just ban people if they don't follow the rules.

Just leave out the personal attacks and you will be fine.

Well then I expect you to be fair and start warning other people and deleting their flames thank you...

Oh and I'd even be interested in where you think I called someone a name.

I didn't accuse you of calling someone a name. I do warn others. Are you going to carry on like this every time I ask you not to post personal attacks?

So I didn't call anyone a name...?
So I "attacked" them how?

Well I don't see you asking anyone else....

and I don't see any examples.

but i do see OGs flames and apparently your bias.

Its just a bit of fun FD..grendel doesnt mean anything by it..neither do I.. we flame each other sometimes.

No dramas here.


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lol Live in denial...  Hicks wrote to his family admitting all this...  his dad even said he was a terrorist... The fact is you keep denying reality...  the letters are real and written by Hicks.

Ill be happy to prove you wrong just as soon as Hicks' book comes out Beo..

I wonder then if the Libs eerrr Govt ,will extend compensation and an apology to Hicks on behalf of Howard and co.-  hhmm?

Thats if  he is allowed to release the book...it could look very embarrassing.

Don't have to wait for his book...  he already had his letters made public by his dad...   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Grendel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2008 at 3:36pm:

Don't have to wait for his book...  he already had his letters made public by his dad...   ;D ;D ;D ;D

If your so sure then it will be hard for you to accept there may actually be another side to this story that may actually throw another P.O.V on this nasty episode and blight in Australia's history of human rights in this country..not to mention the emergence of "concentration camps " as well under Howards watch...These camps opppressed many whos only crime was to ask for help and refuge from war and misery.

David Hicks has  not had his day yet. It will come.

Oh and OG...

http://www.thesydneyinstitute.com.au/ghwcContent.php?ghwcID=111

Now perhaps as was suggested more than a year ago you could rent the dvd  and learn something about your wannabe jihad martyr poster boy.


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In letters to his father, Hicks boasted that he was officially a Taliban member, quoted a poem supporting decapitations for those who disagree with the prophet Muhammad, declared he enjoyed firing at targets from the Pakistani side of the Kashmir line-of-control while training with the Islamist terrorist group Lashkar-e-Taiba and called for an end to what he termed the "Western-Jewish domination" of the world. It is a matter of some surprise that no one in the Coalition has circulated a transcript of The President versus David Hicks, which demonstrates, in his own words, Hicks's commitment to radical Islamism and his evident anti-Semitism.

hey ogly..


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Mr Rudd said he had no particular time for the Taliban regime. "Let's also be clear about the Taliban. Now the Taliban didn't actually run a Sunday school picnic when they were running Afghanistan," he said. "This is a brutal, bloody regime which killed women by stoning them to death."

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In Afghanistan David became a member of the Taliban, writing home to tell his family how "close to perfect" life was there, with the country run according to strict Islamic law.

Grendel wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 10:37pm:

hey ogly.. Quote: Mr Rudd said he had no particular time for the Taliban regime. "Let's also be clear about the Taliban. Now the Taliban didn't actually run a Sunday school picnic when they were running Afghanistan," he said. "This is a brutal, bloody regime which killed women by stoning them to death." [quote]In Afghanistan David became a member of the Taliban, writing home to tell his family how "close to perfect" life was there, with the country run according to strict Islamic law.

and even if thats true Beo, that he said that at all I mean..how do you know what he was referring to when he said "close to perfect"...he could have been referring to many things other than war and terror....

Well I think that you have chosen a poor candidate to be a poster boy for human rights here Oceanz.

There is little argument from unbiased people, that Hicks did have his human rights massively abused, but the fact that he was not an "innocent" victim, does mitigate his personal appeal as an advocate for rights, when he was so willing to kill, (the ultimate abuse of rights, the right to live), in the name of Allah, for a named terrorist organisation.

So I know that two wrongs, do not make a right, but we must keep in mind the state of the world, when these abuses occurred, it was post 9/11, we were at war, and we were witnessing Islamic terror on a broad scale.

So while I always supported Hicks' right to a fair trial, I never considered him an innocent victim, or anything but a mixed up(crazy?) individual, who deserved to spend at least some time behind bars, for his mercenary behaviour.

Honestly, don't people have other things to talk about other than this  idiot who got himself caught up with terrorist organisations?

Just leave him to get on with his lifelong vocation - to become a truly great street sweeper or toilet cleaner, or a traffic cop. Let him die in obscurity.  

Mozzoak -


Quote:

There is little argument from unbiased people, that Hicks did have his human rights massively abused, but the fact that he was not an "innocent" victim, does mitigate his personal appeal as an advocate for rights, when he was so willing to kill, (the ultimate abuse of rights, the right to live), in the name of Allah, for a named terrorist organisation.

You say on the one hand he had his human rights" massivley abused" - why because he was roughed up a bit in prison for 5 years without charge?

Without charge for what reason tho?
Because they could find nothing to charge him with do you think? Oh well you've convinced me Mozz..he was a mercenary killer and we should believe the whole propaganda media beat up against him as fact hey?...
Dont ever question sources or motive for anything politicians or media say..and that must be because they are beyond reproach and have the rights of all their citizens as the number one priority in mind at all times [yeah right]!!!..I feels so much better now.

IF he was guilty he would still be locked up. If the Govt couldnt pin anything on him and make it stick..why do you still believe he is gulity ? They have much more evidence at their disposal than you or boof.


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So I know that two wrongs, do not make a right, but we must keep in mind the state of the world, when these abuses occurred, it was post 9/11, we were at war, and we were witnessing Islamic terror on a broad scale.

Yes mostly drummed up by Bush to justify his war plans..and who could say definitively that thats not true?

And? How does this explain away the rights of ONE man..?How does this explain anything at all?

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So while I always supported Hicks' right to a fair trial, I never considered him an innocent victim, or anything but a mixed up(crazy?) individual, who deserved to spend at least some time behind bars, for his mercenary behaviour.

Well as he didnt get his right to a fair trial..So what do we know with any certainty..that hasnt been tainted by Howards twisted agenda to lick Bushs' butt with religious fervor. That was the problem right there.
Anyone who is so publicly condemned and have all of their human right trampled on so cruelly will inevitably become a martyr..

Hicks has nothing to do with it. He is a very shy and traumatised man now..he shuns spotlight.
It was mainly the people who set him free in a crucial election year for Howard..

He asked for very little..mainly because he found himself without a voice..beaten and chained in Guantanomo , kept under very oppresive conditions in ..his every human exchange [with the outside world] controlled and scrutinised for fear he would betray the truth about the place.

January 5, 2009
GUANTANAMO Bay is and always has been a legal black hole, deliberately set up by the Bush Administration on a US military base in Cuba to hold terrorism suspects beyond the reach of US courts and, for that matter, international law. For six years, the world observed a charade of justice, as the Administration thwarted a succession of efforts to challenge, in a properly constituted court of law, the legal basis for the detention of 775 detainees in all."
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/editorial/justice-says-others-help-obama-shut-guantanamo-20090104-79t3.html?page=-1

"the age" is such a lefty green dreamy everyoneisok rag it should be excluded from any quoting.

may as well use the "mullimbimby monthly"

You're just pissed off because you don't know how to fold it to read it Sprint.  :P
"The Age" is one of the most respected papers around.

muso wrote on Jan 6^th, 2009 at 8:11am:

Honestly, don't people have other things to talk about other than this  idiot who got himself caught up with terrorist organisations? Just leave him to get on with his lifelong vocation - to become a truly great street sweeper or toilet cleaner, or a traffic cop. Let him die in obscurity.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



For someone who was allegedly tortured, he looked remarkably chubby and healthy, when he emerged. ::)

Gianna wrote on Jan 20^th, 2009 at 12:21pm:

muso wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 8:11am: Honestly, don't people have other things to talk about other than this  idiot who got himself caught up with terrorist organisations? Just leave him to get on with his lifelong vocation - to become a truly great street sweeper or toilet cleaner, or a traffic cop. Let him die in obscurity.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D For someone who was allegedly tortured, he looked remarkably chubby and healthy, when he emerged. ::)

They probably force fed him so he would look healthy for the day he was released..who knows..wouldnt put anything past them    ha ha         ;D ::)

David Hicks, DICK HEAD, David Hicks dad, bigger DICKHEAD.