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Message started by tallowood on Nov 30th, 2008 at 8:29pm

Title: celestial objects
Post by tallowood on Nov 30th, 2008 at 8:29pm
There are two of them within 1 degree of each other about 25 degrees above horizon WSW. Very bright.

What are they? What do they herald?


Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by sprintcyclist on Nov 30th, 2008 at 8:32pm

maybe 2 planets ??

Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by tallowood on Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:00pm
I thought so too but I can't find them on my celestial almanac because I can't find the almanac.

BTW, can you see them from where you are?
If you do consider them as your BD present from THE SKY, they do look spectacular better then fireworks, IMHO.




Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by sprintcyclist on Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:27pm
tallow, sorry, star gazing from here is hopeless.
hills closely around and close to brisbane city.
The glow of the city makes it very hard to see much.

I have been to a local sports cricket ground to watch asteroids once, that worked well.
Llay on the ground in the middle of the field on a plastic sheet. blankets over and under.

Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by tallowood on Nov 30th, 2008 at 10:16pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:27pm:
tallow, sorry, star gazing from here is hopeless.
hills closely around and close to brisbane city.
The glow of the city makes it very hard to see much.

I have been to a local sports cricket ground to watch asteroids once, that worked well.
Llay on the ground in the middle of the field on a plastic sheet. blankets over and under.



They went behind western hills here too now.

I think one of them was Venus and another probably Jupiter but I never seen them so close together and so bright.

Here is my BD present for you

"Choose you a night when the intimate stars
Carelessly prattle of cosmic affairs.
Flat on your back, with your nose pointing Mars,
Search for the star who fled South from the Bears.
Gaze for an hour at that little blue star,
Giving him, cheerfully, wink for his wink;
Shrink to the size of the being you are;
Sneeze if you have to, but softly; then think.


Throw wide the portals and let your thoughts run
Over the earth like a galloping herd.
Bounds to profundity let there be none,
Let there be nothing too madly absurd.
Ponder on pebbles or stock exchange shares,
On the mission of man or the life of a bug,
On planets or billiards, policemen or bears,
Alert all the time for the sight of a Glug.


Meditate deeply on softgoods or sex,
On carraway seeds or the causes of bills,
Biology, art, or mysterious wrecks,
Or the tattered white fleeces of clouds on blue hills.
Muse upon ologies, freckles and fog,
Why hermits live lonely and grapes in a bunch,
On the ways of a child or the mind of a dog,
Or the oyster you bolted last Friday at lunch.


Heard you no sound like a shuddering sigh!
Or the great shout of laughter that swept down the sky?
Saw you no sign on the wide Milky Way?
Then there's naught left to you now but to pray.


Sit you at eve when the Shepherd in Blue
Calls from the West to his clustering sheep.
Then pray for the moods that old mariners woo,
For the thoughts of young mothers who watch their babes sleep.
Pray for the heart of an innocent child,
For the tolerant scorn of a weary old man,
For the petulant grief of a prophet reviled,
For the wisdom you lost when your whiskers began.


Pray for the pleasures that he who was you
Found in the mud of a shower-fed pool,
For the fears that he felt and the joys that he knew
When a little green lizard crept into the school.
Pray as they pray who are maddened by wine:
For distraction from self and a spirit at rest.
Now, deep in the heart of you search for a sign -
If there be naught of it, vain is your quest.


Lay down the book, for to follow the tale
Were to trade in false blame, as all mortals who fail.
And may the gods salve you on life's dreary round;
For 'tis whispered: "Who finds not, 'tis he shall be found !"
"
() - C.J. Dennis, February 1917

Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by muso on Dec 1st, 2008 at 9:22am

tallowood wrote on Nov 30th, 2008 at 8:29pm:
There are two of them within 1 degree of each other about 25 degrees above horizon WSW. Very bright.

What are they? What do they herald?


Jupiter and Venus are pretty close to each other at the moment. Get your binoculars out and you should see the four Galilean satellites of Jupiter (the more orange one) They are Io Europa Ganymede and Callisto.  

You might be able to make out the crescent of Venus too, but it's usually too bright and you just get a smudging effect with bnoculars.

I work at a location where the sky is totally dark at night. Even the Coal Sack stands out clearly.  

The blue line shows your line of sight from the planet Earth.
jupitervenus.jpg (47 KB | 46 )

Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by sprintcyclist on Dec 1st, 2008 at 10:08am

tallow - aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh. Some things never change.

thanks

Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by muso on Dec 1st, 2008 at 10:52am
Conjunction's Dream

Ten thousand weary years from now,
Beneath a cloud-wrapped violet sky,
With albatross’s crying out in Phobos’
Bony light a boat bobs gently on Meridiani;
Riding the slapping waves that lap and lick
In melancholy slow martian motion
O’er its bows, now and then
Its crew of stick-limbed men and women
Stare down into the silent depths and smile.
Far, far below, they know, a crater lies,
Its size – once vast, gasped at by
Pre-martians on their flickering screens
Seems a mere MER fable now, yet
Half a mile below their hull their friends explore Victoria.
Once a gargoyle-guarded jagged hole
Hacked from Barsoom’s brittle crust
Its scattered meteorite bones rust now,
Devoured by the ravenous piranha dust or buried
Beneath new martian reefs of scoured,
Powdered stone. A ghost of its former self;
Cabos Frio and Verde now crumbling shelves
From which brittle berries pour and hiss
In misty purple showers.
Unseen. Relentless.

Once a yawning, ragged-bordered pit
Victoria is a grit-masked phantom now.
Shrunk by millennia of slowly-settling
Silt that filled its famous bays and coves
Like snowflakes falling on Old Terra’s fields,
Its wind faerie-sculpted dunes, swooned
Over by the Image Mages of an earlier age
Too have long been sluiced away
By currents sweeping clean the ocean’s ochre floor.
And yet, those currents have been sculptors too,
Removing sludge and sand as softly as a hand
Or fine-haired brush, revealing treasures -

Now the Mars-born sailors cry “She’s there!”
And turn to stare out o’er the waves to where
Their friends have reappeared, fists punching the air
To celebrate their discovery and the recovery
Of Victoria’s most precious jewel.

Pulled up by shaking hands she breaks
The surface of the sea and stands above the waves,
Half-crazed, burning in the sudden, brutal sunlight
As water trickles impossibly from her face.
Floating there she gasps for air; expecting it to be
Vacuum-thin and light years beyond cold
She finds it thick and warm as soup.
The Truth breaks over her like a storm:
An Age has passed since last she saw the Sun;
Ten thousand times this world has wheeled around its star,
Changing hue as it flew; transforming, chameleon-like,
From blood-powdered, boulder-scattered stone
To a white-washed, emerald-toned globe until
Today Mars whirls as a world of aching cerulean beauty
Around ancient, distant Sol.
Oceans her antique basins fill now, fed
By fractured streams and fat drops of rain
That fall like stones from a heaven a richer shade
Of lavender than ever seen on green, green Earth.

Carried to the boat by gentle, reverent hands
Which lift her lovingly onto the pitching
Deck she stands there as water, fetid, thick and foul
With ten long aeons’ weight of silt
And sandpouring off and through her.
Wide, disbelieving eyes stare at her,
Pale-skinned faces edge closer as ocean-spill pools
Around her rusted wheels and she feels… lost.
This Blue Mars is not hers;
Victoria’s rocks are gone, its bold Beacon
And boulders drowned beneath ten thousand years
Of rain; nothing is the same,
She is an alien, an oddity doomed, after her resurrection,
To spend her second life bathed in lights
In some New Martian Museum,
Filed past by skeletal Syrtis girls
And boys, a mere antique clockwork toy
In their terrible, terraformed world.

No. She cannot – will not – live like that.
With the last ounce of her strength she wrenches
Free from her Rescuers’ grip and slips
Back beneath the waves to drown and sink again,
Sinking, thinking with her final fracturing thought
How warm Meridiani’s waters feel –

Dust.
Blowing over her, past her,
Scratching and scraping
Her in a hail of hissing blades.
Above – a sky of peach and tan
Familiar as her own shadow;
Beneath – deep, deep Victoria,
Its floor a blanket of wind-stitched dunes
With boulders, rocks and rubble all around.
Solid ground, still, no lapping waves,
Just perfect Time-hewn stone..!
All where it should be.
All where it was.

Before Conjunction’s Dream…

© Stuart Atkinson 2006


(A mate from another forum I frequent)

http://www.4frontierscorp.com/library/poetry.php#Conjunction's%20Dream

Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by sprintcyclist on Dec 1st, 2008 at 11:28am
pretty darned good muso

Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by tallowood on Dec 1st, 2008 at 12:45pm
"In the west, just after sunset, Venus and Jupiter grace our skies.Over the course of several nights, as Venus orbits the Sun it appears to be slowly moving eastward, approaching Jupiter. It’s very pretty, and on December 1 the thin crescent Moon will join them!"



"If you’re at all interested in the beauty of the heavens this is definitely an event to keep your eyes on. The next time this will happen during the night, and therefore be observable from the ground is in 2011."

Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by Grendel on Dec 1st, 2008 at 5:11pm
if you are in Sydney tonight look at the moon at 8:20pm...  :)

Title: Re: Ready steady go
Post by tallowood on Dec 1st, 2008 at 7:27pm
What a great smiley up there appeared an hour ago.

I am going to take some pictures soon.


Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by tallowood on Dec 1st, 2008 at 9:01pm
half an hour ago


Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by Amadd on Dec 1st, 2008 at 9:38pm
Nice shot, is that the natural zoom of your camera, or did you enlarge it?

Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by tallowood on Dec 1st, 2008 at 9:56pm

tallowood wrote on Dec 1st, 2008 at 9:01pm:
half an hour ago



Actually I reduced the size to 25% of original so it fits onto average comp screen.

My camera Olympus 720 SW is not the best for picture quality too but I clamped it to a timber on veranda and set it to 10 seconds delay to make it steady during the shot.


Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by Amadd on Dec 1st, 2008 at 10:35pm
It must be time to turf my old Olympus 3030, I got a better pic with my phone cam.
Anyway, it's gone now, or maybe it stayed and we went.
There should be some interesting shots of it to look at tomorrow.





Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by freediver on Dec 1st, 2008 at 10:48pm
I'd hate to be the work experience kid at SMH who has to look through them all.

Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by tallowood on Dec 1st, 2008 at 10:49pm

Amadd wrote on Dec 1st, 2008 at 10:35pm:
It must be time to turf my old Olympus 3030, I got a better pic with my phone cam.
Anyway, it's gone now, or maybe it stayed and we went.
There should be some interesting shots of it to look at tomorrow.


I think it is time to start Photography tread.
Everybody should have one and click as fast as the world is disappearing.
We don't have to be artists or historians, all we need to do is to preserve images, which soon will be in the Past.



Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by muso on Dec 2nd, 2008 at 10:52am

tallowood wrote on Dec 1st, 2008 at 10:49pm:

Amadd wrote on Dec 1st, 2008 at 10:35pm:
It must be time to turf my old Olympus 3030, I got a better pic with my phone cam.
Anyway, it's gone now, or maybe it stayed and we went.
There should be some interesting shots of it to look at tomorrow.


I think it is time to start Photography tread.
Everybody should have one and click as fast as the world is disappearing.
We don't have to be artists or historians, all we need to do is to preserve images, which soon will be in the Past.



Well I tried to take a picture of it with my mobile phone. A photography section might be good. I have a few pictures from the bush I can share.

Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by Amadd on Dec 2nd, 2008 at 10:42pm
I expected to see a few more creative shots than what I was able to find, but maybe some more will surface later.

This one is quite good I think:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/ftimages/2008/12/02/1227979978511.html

Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by tallowood on Dec 2nd, 2008 at 10:58pm

Amadd wrote on Dec 2nd, 2008 at 10:42pm:
I expected to see a few more creative shots than what I was able to find, but maybe some more will surface later.

This one is quite good I think:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/ftimages/2008/12/02/1227979978511.html


Yes it is good.


Tonight the celestials were sad like so  :( at about 20.00 but by time I finished clamping my camera to the timber clouds came from the west and I was unable to take a shot. Made me sad too like so  :-[


Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by Amadd on Dec 2nd, 2008 at 11:30pm
They woulda made a good wall hanging together, but oh well, maybe in another five years or so you'll get the matching shot.. ;D






Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by easel on Dec 3rd, 2008 at 7:00pm
I saw them last night.

Title: Re: celestial objects
Post by tallowood on Jul 22nd, 2009 at 9:06am
Aussie stargazer spots scar from Jupiter collision


Quote:
An amateur stargazer in Australia spotted an Earth-sized gash on Jupiter, possibly caused by a collision with a comet, NASA scientists say.
...
NASA credited Anthony Wesley of Murrumbateman, Australia, a computer programmer with a good reputation among professional astronomers.

"We owe a huge debt to him for picking up on these things," said planetary scientist Leigh Fletcher at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory....


I like when amateurs do it  ;D


also


Quote:
The solar eclipse of July 22, 2009 will be the longest total solar eclipse of the 21st century, lasting at most 6 minutes, 39 seconds.[1] It has caused tourist interest in eastern China, Nepal and India.[1][2][3]

The eclipse is part of saros series 136, like the record-setting solar eclipse of July 11, 1991. The next event from this series will be on August 2, 2027.[4] The exceptional duration is a result of the moon being near perigee, with the apparent diameter of the moon 8% larger than the sun (magnitude 1.080).

This will be the second in the series of three eclipses in a month, with the lunar eclipse on July 7 and the lunar eclipse on August 6.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_July_22,_2009

"A solar eclipse mentioned in Homer's Odyssey has been used to date the fall of Troy, not to mention the exact day that Odysseus slaughtered the suitors who had taken over his house in Ithaca while he was trying to get home from the war."

What will it be this time?


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