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Message started by abu_rashid on Dec 16th, 2008 at 7:54pm

Title: Vandals hit French Muslim graves
Post by abu_rashid on Dec 16th, 2008 at 7:54pm
It seems even if Muslims are so loyal to their country of residence that they go and fight for them during times of war, they'll still be treated as foriegners and have their graves vandalised.

Another despicable example of the anti-Islamic extremists who promote hatred between Muslims and non-Muslims, not unlike those vocal elements we have here.

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The cemetery's Muslim graves have been targeted three times in two years

The graves of as many as 500 Muslim war veterans have been vandalised in northern France, in an attack President Nicolas Sarkozy said was "repugnant".

Gravestones were daubed with swastikas and letters spelling out anti-Islamic slogans at France's biggest military graveyard near Arras in the north-east.

The attack took place on the eve of Islam's Eid al-Adha festival, when Muslims visit the graves of loved ones.

Dozens of police searched the graveyard on Monday as an investigation began.

It is the third time the Muslim sector of the Notre Dame de Lorette cemetery has been attacked.

President Sarkozy called the latest incident "abject and revolting" and said it was "the expression of a repugnant racism directed against the Muslim community of France".

The cemetery holds the graves of tens of thousands of soldiers killed in World War I, including those of 576 Muslims.

The authorities estimated that about 500 graves were damaged. Vandals had sprayed letters on the tombstones which, when linked together, formed anti-Islamic insults, the French news agency AFP said.

The local prosecutor says the damage resembles another act of vandalism in April, for which two young men with neo-Nazi sympathies were later jailed.

One of them had already been jailed for a previous attack on Muslim graves at the cemetery.

Police say security has been reinforced but the site remains difficult to guard.

Source: BBC

Title: Re: Vandals hit French Muslim graves
Post by tallowood on Dec 16th, 2008 at 9:20pm
Jewish grave get vandalised hips more then that. How many jewish graves are left untouched in Palestinian territories?


Title: Re: Vandals hit French Muslim graves
Post by abu_rashid on Dec 16th, 2008 at 9:57pm

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Jewish grave get vandalised hips


Well that's very nasty, nothing worse than getting vandalised hips, except perhaps vandalised shoulders (sorry couldn't resist).


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How many jewish graves are left untouched in Palestinian territories?


I dunno, perhaps you can provide some figures, I've never actually heard of Palestinians vandalising Jewish graves... Have heard of the Israeli government wanting to bulldoze Muslim graveyards though... To make room for a museum of understanding and tolerance, no less  ;D

Title: Re: Vandals hit French Muslim graves
Post by tallowood on Dec 16th, 2008 at 10:02pm
exactly, why bother about few vandalised penises?


Title: Re: Vandals hit French Muslim graves
Post by mozzaok on Dec 16th, 2008 at 10:31pm
Two wrongs do not make a right Tallo, even if your baseless assumption is correct, the desecration of these war graves is a disgusting act of vandalism, inspired by cultural hatred, and deserves to be roundly condemned for that alone.

Title: Re: Vandals hit French Muslim graves
Post by helian on Dec 16th, 2008 at 10:57pm

tallowood wrote on Dec 16th, 2008 at 10:02pm:
exactly, why bother about few vandalised penises?

Vandalised penises?

Title: Re: Vandals hit French Muslim graves
Post by tallowood on Dec 16th, 2008 at 10:58pm

mozzaok wrote on Dec 16th, 2008 at 10:31pm:
Two wrongs do not make a right Tallo, even if your baseless assumption is correct, the desecration of these war graves is a disgusting act of vandalism, inspired by cultural hatred, and deserves to be roundly condemned for that alone.


So why don't we hear about muslims condemnation of jewish graves or is it again the case of "some animals more equal then others" and what about non war graves are they ok to desecrate?


Title: Re: Vandals hit French Muslim graves
Post by tallowood on Dec 16th, 2008 at 11:01pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 16th, 2008 at 10:57pm:

tallowood wrote on Dec 16th, 2008 at 10:02pm:
exactly, why bother about few vandalised penises?

Vandalised penises?


Is vandalised genitals less sexists?



Title: Re: Vandals hit French Muslim graves
Post by tallowood on Dec 16th, 2008 at 11:49pm

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 16th, 2008 at 9:57pm:

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Jewish grave get vandalised hips


Well that's very nasty, nothing worse than getting vandalised hips, except perhaps vandalised shoulders (sorry couldn't resist).

[quote]How many jewish graves are left untouched in Palestinian territories?


I dunno, perhaps you can provide some figures, I've never actually heard of Palestinians vandalising Jewish graves... Have heard of the Israeli government wanting to bulldoze Muslim graveyards though... To make room for a museum of understanding and tolerance, no less  ;D[/quote]


Anyhow here is a question for abu. How good was Mohammed the prophet's spelling? (sorry couldn't resist) ;)

Also, about the cemeteries in in Palestinian territories there is none of jewish cemeteries left there because it is something, which is not sacred to palestinian muslims. The muslim cemetery in Jerusalem you referred to was discontinued by muslem council. We already have discussed this issue and that example of muslem hypocrisy was pointed out.


Title: Re: Vandals hit French Muslim graves
Post by Gaybriel on Dec 17th, 2008 at 5:00pm
if abu had gone around vandalising jewish graves then you'd be right about the hyprocrisy

or if he had posted up an article about the same thing and given it a thumbs up

but he didn't- so not sure where you get the hypocrisy from

Title: Re: Vandals hit French Muslim graves
Post by tallowood on Dec 18th, 2008 at 2:04pm

Gaybriel wrote on Dec 17th, 2008 at 5:00pm:
if abu had gone around vandalising jewish graves then you'd be right about the hyprocrisy

or if he had posted up an article about the same thing and given it a thumbs up

but he didn't- so not sure where you get the hypocrisy from


Is abu memeber or ever was member of arab council?

The hypocrisy I referred to was part of moslem howling about Israeli plans to build  on disused cemetery while they were silent about palestinian arabic authority who early had plans to build there car parking.
Pus look what they've done to jewish grave.
Don't you agree that it is hypocritical of them?

Title: Re: Vandals hit French Muslim graves
Post by mozzaok on Dec 18th, 2008 at 8:46pm
The only hypocrisy on display here is that you seem to be saying it is wrong for muslims to deface graves(of which you provided no evidence, just assumed that they probably do), but it is not wrong for muslim graves to be vandalised.

It is the act of desecration that is wrong, and all decent people would agree that the ethnicity or religious background of the offenders, does not mitigate that wrong.

If Abu had praised muslims desecrating the graves of others, you would have a point, but he didn't, so you don't.

Call it fairly, treat each case on it's merits, Islam has it's faults, as does Christianity, so take a lesson from your holy books, and treat others as you would wish to be treated.

Title: Re: Vandals hit French Muslim graves
Post by tallowood on Dec 18th, 2008 at 9:39pm

mozzaok wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 8:46pm:
The only hypocrisy on display here is that you seem to be saying it is wrong for muslims to deface graves(of which you provided no evidence, just assumed that they probably do), but it is not wrong for muslim graves to be vandalised.

It is the act of desecration that is wrong, and all decent people would agree that the ethnicity or religious background of the offenders, does not mitigate that wrong.

If Abu had praised muslims desecrating the graves of others, you would have a point, but he didn't, so you don't.

Call it fairly, treat each case on it's merits, Islam has it's faults, as does Christianity, so take a lesson from your holy books, and treat others as you would wish to be treated.



Show me where I called abu hypocrite and where I had praised desecration of muslim graves. Put up or go to an eye clinic and remove the log of you atheistic religiosity from your eye. As for me I gave the link to muslim hypocrisy about graves.


Title: Re: Vandals hit French Muslim graves
Post by abu_rashid on Dec 18th, 2008 at 9:53pm
tallowood,


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Pus look what they've done to jewish grave.
Don't you agree that it is hypocritical of them?


A few points to note about the site known as "Joseph's Tomb".

1) The site has been a mosque for at least the past coupla centuries, and when the Jews arrived to the site in 1967, they actually dismantled the mosque, so in fact they were the first to desecrate it.

2) There's absolutely no evidence that the Hebrew patriarch Joseph is the one buried at the site. According to Muslim tradition the man buried there is an Islamic saint from about 200 years ago, who's name happened to be Yusef, so when the Jews arrived, they perhaps mistook it for the Biblical Joseph.

3) The Palestinians didn't desecrate the grave, they merely dismantled the Jewish prayer structure built over it (perhaps with a little extra emotion, due to having watched their mosque desecrated and occupied for over 30 years), exactly the same thing the Jews did when they took control of it in 1967. There's absolutely no archaeological evidence whatsoever of the site ever having been a Jewish prayer site, yet it's been a mosque for at least the past coupla centuries.

4) This is a dispute over a place of worship, not desecration of graves. No Muslim ever vandalised any Jewish gravves from what I can tell, even including this case.

Title: Re: Vandals hit French Muslim graves
Post by tallowood on Dec 18th, 2008 at 10:32pm

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 9:53pm:
tallowood,


Quote:
Pus look what they've done to jewish grave.
Don't you agree that it is hypocritical of them?


A few points to note about the site known as "Joseph's Tomb".

1) The site has been a mosque for at least the past coupla centuries, and when the Jews arrived to the site in 1967, they actually dismantled the mosque, so in fact they were the first to desecrate it.

2) There's absolutely no evidence that the Hebrew patriarch Joseph is the one buried at the site. According to Muslim tradition the man buried there is an Islamic saint from about 200 years ago, who's name happened to be Yusef, so when the Jews arrived, they perhaps mistook it for the Biblical Joseph.

3) The Palestinians didn't desecrate the grave, they merely dismantled the Jewish prayer structure built over it (perhaps with a little extra emotion, due to having watched their mosque desecrated and occupied for over 30 years), exactly the same thing the Jews did when they took control of it in 1967. There's absolutely no archaeological evidence whatsoever of the site ever having been a Jewish prayer site, yet it's been a mosque for at least the past coupla centuries.

4) This is a dispute over a place of worship, not desecration of graves. No Muslim ever vandalised any Jewish gravves from what I can tell, even including this case.


1 whos grave was there before moslims desicrated it?

2 as much evidence as modern Koran is unaltered words of Mohammed.

3 Archaeological Find

4 Both religions use graves as place of worship. How about jews go and dismantle Mohammed's grave?


Anyway I state here and now clearly so even a blind atheist can see: desecration of any grave by anyone is bad. That is why I prefer to be minced after my death and put back to The River whos fish I've taken to eat.


Title: Re: Vandals hit French Muslim graves
Post by abu_rashid on Dec 20th, 2008 at 11:23pm
tallowood,


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whos grave was there before moslims desicrated it?


This is clearly answered in my post above.

1) Muslims didn't desecrate it, they simply removed the Jewish prayer articles, which had been placed inside the mosque, and opened back up the prayer niche, so it could be used as a mosque again. The pplace was a mosque, and there's no evidence whatsoever it was ever historically a Jewish place of worship, please read my post.

2) I already mentioned whose grave is claimed to be there, a Muslim saint from about 200 years ago, called Sheikh Yusef.


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as much evidence as modern Koran is unaltered words of Mohammed.


I really don't see what this has got to do with this issue, anyway...


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Archaeological Find


Again, absolutely nothing to do with this issue... running out of things to say?

Or just felt the need to link to a random topic all of a sudden?


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Both religions use graves as place of worship. How about jews go and dismantle Mohammed's grave?


But there's absolutely no evidence it was ever a Jewish grave or place of worship, prior to the Zionist occupation in 1967. Whereas Muslims have a clearly documented 200 year presence and usage of the site as a mosque, unbroken until it was militarily occupied in 1967 and the mosque desecrated and converted into a Jewish place of worship.

Title: Re: Vandals hit French Muslim graves
Post by Phil. on Dec 27th, 2008 at 8:28am
Awesome news!
Good on those french patriots!

BTW abu_ mod: do not change usernames they were most likely all CONSCRIPTS from the french colonies.

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