http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/01/11/2463170.htm

"Three Palestinians have been killed and dozens more wounded by heavy Israeli tank fire and air strikes in Gaza, some allegedly by banned white phosphorous shells, medics say.

The allegations come as Israel vows to escalate its war in Gaza after carrying out more deadly air strikes, and troops battle Hamas fighters into a third week despite growing calls for a ceasefire."

Its the Israel way of doing things.

It's all Hamas' fault!

If they stopped launching rockets, Israel wouldn't have to use white phosphorous shells!

White phosphorous isnt banned for Israel. They never signed the protocol against their use, I think you'll find.

Neither did the USA, as it happens.

Calanen wrote on Jan 11^th, 2009 at 8:08pm:

White phosphorous isnt banned for Israel. They never signed the protocol against their use, I think you'll find. Neither did the USA, as it happens.

Just because Israel dosn't sign a protocol dosn't mean the weapons arn't banned, fmd, I am soooooooooo over you fukkin jew apologists the p ricks are committing genocide and wacist ##### say ohh they didn't sign the protocol so they can use them, Israel are lying murdering scum and so are ### ###### supporting them.

Well obviously it aint a global ban if people can opt out skippy.

Do you think suicide belts should be banned?  i do.  Globally.

Actually the white phosphorous shells were not used. The story was concocted by child molesting hamas propagandists for child molesters lovers idiots who would believe anything anti jewish.

tallowood wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 10:18am:

Actually the white phosphorous shells were not used. The story was concocted by child molesting hamas propagandists for child molesters lovers idiots who would believe anything anti jewish.

It's anti semetic, lol.
Yes boofy I agree with you suicide belts should banned, as should counties with large dirty bombs blowing the c rap out of states who have no more than  a few throwdowns and penny bungers.
As for tallowwood, bwar, you are a great example of why birth control should be compulsary in some families.

Right skippy...
1/  they are not banned.
2/ there is an international convention on its use.
3/ israel say they have not breached any international conventions.
4/ it is not primarily an incendary weapon but used for smokescreens and marking targets.
5/ GENEVA (AP) — The international Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest it is being used improperly or illegally.
6/ Human Rights watch have toned down their original claims, now warning "of the possibilities of extreme fire and civilian injuries."

wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 10:29am:

tallowood wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 10:18am: Actually the white phosphorous shells were not used. The story was concocted by child molesting hamas propagandists for child molesters lovers idiots who would believe anything anti jewish. It's anti semetic, lol. Yes boofy I agree with you suicide belts should banned, as should counties with large dirty bombs blowing the c rap out of states who have no more than  a few throwdowns and penny bungers. As for tallowwood, bwar, you are a great example of why birth control should be compulsary in some families.

So you hate arabs as well as jews, you little racist rascal.
Well that is why your family should've been first on the list of sterilisation before you were born  ;)

tallowood wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 10:42am:

wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 10:29am: tallowood wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 10:18am: Actually the white phosphorous shells were not used. The story was concocted by child molesting hamas propagandists for child molesters lovers idiots who would believe anything anti jewish. It's anti semetic, lol. Yes boofy I agree with you suicide belts should banned, as should counties with large dirty bombs blowing the c rap out of states who have no more than  a few throwdowns and penny bungers. As for tallowwood, bwar, you are a great example of why birth control should be compulsary in some families. So you hate arabs as well as jews, you little racist rascal. Well that is why your family should've been first on the list of sterilisation before you were born  ;)

I hate genicide which is what Israel are doing, I care not for any religion they are all as bad as each other.
What I do care about is how people like yourself support a zionist neo con regime like blind little sheeple, at least most people can see what is going on , you see it on the news every night, maybe you should stop reading the Israel post and try some unbiassed news source, but I doubt you will sheeple like you only follow they arn't leaders.
Hey I'll give you a tip stay in the middle of the pack, it's always the ones as the front that get spooked and jump first, you don't want that you wont know what to do.

that's bullshit skippy...  there is no genocide going on.

BTW seems you are the one with biased news sources.
Otherwise you know what i just posted was more correct than anything you believe

wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 10:57am:

...

There is no genocide in ME despite all hamas wishes.

As for your advice keep it for yourself and don't skip-hop-jump. You are not really wallaby, are you?  :)

Grendel wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 11:03am:

that's bullshit skippy...  there is no genocide going on. BTW seems you are the one with biased news sources. Otherwise you know what i just posted was more correct than anything you believe

And the head ram shows his ugly head, looks like there is a cue for the dumbest sheeple, having known boofy for a while I'd suspect him to be spooked quicker than tallow but it could be a close contest.
As for the rest of your s hit boof, I dont go seaching for pro Israel news like yourself, I just read all the mainstream media (less the jewish owned news lmd) to get my facts, and guess what? I see Israel blowing the s hit out of the Palastinian people every night, as they have since 1948, I often see Palastinian kids throwing rocks back at the Israel forces on the same news , maybe you should check it out there are channels ABC, SBS, 9,7,10, all showing what I describe, but I suppose I dont see any of the s hit you source fron the jewish press .

wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 11:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 11:03am: that's bullshit skippy...  there is no genocide going on. BTW seems you are the one with biased news sources. Otherwise you know what i just posted was more correct than anything you believe And the head ram shows his ugly head, looks like there is a cue for the dumbest sheeple, having known boofy for a while I'd suspect him to be spooked quicker than tallow but it could be a close contest. As for the rest of your s hit boof, I dont go seaching for pro Israel news like yourself, I just read all the mainstream media (less the jewish owned news lmd) to get my facts, and guess what? I see Israel blowing the s hit out of the Palastinian people every night, as they have since 1948, I often see Palastinian kids throwing rocks back at the Israel forces on the same news , maybe you should check it out there are channels ABC, SBS, 9,7,10, all showing what I describe, but I suppose I dont see any of the s hit you source fron the jewish press .

Gebbels would be proud of you skipp, he really would but neither his nor yours anti jewish fantasies don't stand scrutiny of close examination.

tallowood wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 11:26am:

wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 11:17am: Grendel wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 11:03am: that's bullshit skippy...  there is no genocide going on. BTW seems you are the one with biased news sources. Otherwise you know what i just posted was more correct than anything you believe And the head ram shows his ugly head, looks like there is a cue for the dumbest sheeple, having known boofy for a while I'd suspect him to be spooked quicker than tallow but it could be a close contest. As for the rest of your s hit boof, I dont go seaching for pro Israel news like yourself, I just read all the mainstream media (less the jewish owned news lmd) to get my facts, and guess what? I see Israel blowing the s hit out of the Palastinian people every night, as they have since 1948, I often see Palastinian kids throwing rocks back at the Israel forces on the same news , maybe you should check it out there are channels ABC, SBS, 9,7,10, all showing what I describe, but I suppose I dont see any of the s hit you source fron the jewish press . Gebbels would be proud of you skipp, he really would but neither his nor yours anti jewish fantasies don't stand scrutiny of close examination.

I'm anti all religion , but you'd better be carefull because I'm also anti  stupid sheeple and I think you fit the lambswool.

wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 11:34am:

tallowood wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 11:26am: wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 11:17am: Grendel wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 11:03am: that's bullshit skippy...  there is no genocide going on. BTW seems you are the one with biased news sources. Otherwise you know what i just posted was more correct than anything you believe And the head ram shows his ugly head, looks like there is a cue for the dumbest sheeple, having known boofy for a while I'd suspect him to be spooked quicker than tallow but it could be a close contest. As for the rest of your s hit boof, I dont go seaching for pro Israel news like yourself, I just read all the mainstream media (less the jewish owned news lmd) to get my facts, and guess what? I see Israel blowing the s hit out of the Palastinian people every night, as they have since 1948, I often see Palastinian kids throwing rocks back at the Israel forces on the same news , maybe you should check it out there are channels ABC, SBS, 9,7,10, all showing what I describe, but I suppose I dont see any of the s hit you source fron the jewish press . Gebbels would be proud of you skipp, he really would but neither his nor yours anti jewish fantasies don't stand scrutiny of close examination. I'm anti all religion , but you'd better be carefull because I'm also anti  stupid sheeple and I think you fit the lambswool.

I am really careful not to laugh to death about your antics but thank you for caring anyway. :)

I am astounded by the vehemence of those that fall for the extreme left wing propagandists, the same lunatics who helped khomeini turn Iran into the shining light of civilisation and human rights we see under Islamic theocracy.

Also, the anti-jewish sentiment is worrying.

I have to ask what do they think Israel should do?

Should they leave the middle east?

If they say to stop attacking palestinians, could they explain how to stop the palestinians continually firing rockets at them all the time, whether they are being attacked or not?

Could they say if they recognise Hamas as an Islamist terrorist group, who use Islamic jihad as justification for attacking jews?

Could they lay out there plans for peace?

I will not hold my breath waiting.

I have seen plenty attack Israel, but none offering alternative courses of actions they could employ to ensure their security.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 11^th, 2009 at 6:18pm:

It's all Hamas' fault! If they stopped launching rockets, Israel wouldn't have to use white phosphorous shells!

If even you can grasp it, why can't the Islamist Hamas monsters?

There would be no bombing and invasion without 2 years and thousands of rockets fired by Hamas. They were the government of gaza. Why didn't they get on with the job of governing? Why fire rockets into Israel when infrastructure needs to be built, the economy needs to function, law and order needs to be restored, schools and hospitals need to be run?  

This is obviously either much harder or far less important for Islamists like hamas than provoking the damned zionists. No matter how miserable the Palestinians are, nothing is as important as 'resisting' the zionist entity.  Allan told them and Allan knows best.

The Islamists' vanity will always be greater than their mysery.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 11:50am:

I am astounded by the vehemence of those that fall for the extreme left wing propagandists, the same lunatics who helped khomeini turn Iran into the shining light of civilisation and human rights we see under Islamic theocracy. Also, the anti-jewish sentiment is worrying. I have to ask what do they think Israel should do? Should they leave the middle east? If they say to stop attacking palestinians, could they explain how to stop the palestinians continually firing rockets at them all the time, whether they are being attacked or not? Could they say if they recognise Hamas as an Islamist terrorist group, who use Islamic jihad as justification for attacking jews? Could they lay out there plans for peace? I will not hold my breath waiting. I have seen plenty attack Israel, but none offering alternative courses of actions they could employ to ensure their security.

Just because I point out the war crimes being committed by the jews does not mean I support Islam, I support no religion, what I support is the right of all people to live in peace.
It is all well and good to say they did this they did that but just because you hate muslims you support jews? they are both to blame but if anyone is game enough to point that out they are anti semetic, give me a break ,it sounds like a sienfield episode.
There is no way for peace in the middle east, it willl always be as it has always been.

Well that was a cop out skippy, if is, and always has been, like this, why are you blaming the jews for it?

I recognise fault on all sides, but the initial hurdle is to get rid of Islamism, whithout that, they will always deny Israels right to exist.

wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 12:20pm:

they are both to blame but if anyone is game enough to point that out they are anti semetic, give me a break ,it sounds like a sienfield episode.

The one thing worse , in terms of achieving a lasting resolution, is not that both sides are wrong, it's that both sides are right,  and greatly right.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 12:28pm:

Well that was a cop out skippy, if is, and always has been, like this, why are you blaming the jews for it? I recognise fault on all sides, but the initial hurdle is to get rid of Islamism, whithout that, they will always deny Israels right to exist.

Who's sounding wacist now mozz?
You are pizzing in the wind if you think you are going to get rid of Islam, why does Israel have more rights than Palastine?
As for blamming the jews, I blame both sides I suppose the jews have the biggest number of deaths on their hands about 2 million palastinians have died  since 1948, whilst the jews have lost 15000, but hey who's counting?

This is written by a member of the Australian government, are they anti semitic?
All you Islam haters will say so no doubt, read a few facts and try not to let your hate of Islam get in the way.

Julie Erwin is a member of the federal Labor government and she writes-




"YOU'VE got to hand it to the Israeli public relations flacks: only they could convince you that killing children was an act of self-defence.

As the recent bombing of Gaza began, Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni gave instructions for the Foreign Ministry to take "emergency measures to adapt Israel's public relations to the ongoing escalation in the Gaza Strip". Livni went on to call for foreign language speakers to put Israel's case to the world.

In Australia, the ABC relies for "independent" comment on the smooth Mark Regev, an official spokesman for the Israeli Government, and Martin Indyk, a former official of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

It's the oldest trick in the book: if they look and sound like us, we are more likely to be sympathetic towards them. Anyone putting an alternative view is immediately cast as anti-Semitic. Our media glibly accept the excuses of the Israeli public relations machine and ignore the horrific realities of Israel's barbaric behaviour in Gaza.

It's the same in most Western countries - the groundwork has been laid and the responses of world leaders are predictable. When the Israeli attacks began, right on cue Western leaders regretted the killing of children but in the same breath condemned Palestinians for firing rockets from their walled ghetto into Israel.
It seems that no matter what injustice Palestinians have suffered in the past 60 years, they should be grateful for the privilege of being able to live under the jackboot of Israeli occupation.

For three years since daring to democratically elect a government not favoured by Israel or the US, the people of Gaza have been subjected to a starvation blockade. Yet the civilised world has barely raised a note of concern. Is this the standard by which we judge the behaviour of nations? We talk about Darfur and Zimbabwe but say little of the gross abuse of human rights that occurs daily in the illegally occupied territories of the West Bank and Gaza. Our double standards have made a mockery of the doctrine of humanitarian intervention.

Our failure to condemn the totally disproportionate, not to say illegal, attacks by the Israeli Defence Force has changed the way conflict is regarded around the world. Last August, Russia employed the same tactics in its attack on Georgia as Israel did against Lebanon.
Using cluster bombs or phosphorus bombs against civilian targets is perfectly legal if you can believe the Israeli Defence Force.

Assassinating Hamas leaders during a ceasefire does not constitute a breach. Collective punishments against communities, obstructing medical and humanitarian relief - all part of Israel's tactics - could now be considered acceptable behaviour in national and international conflict.
Last month, Falk called for an International Criminal Court investigation to determine whether the Israeli civilian leaders and military commanders responsible for the Gaza siege should be indicted and prosecuted for violations of international criminal law.

To that long list of war crimes and crimes against humanity we can now add the atrocities committed in this recent invasion. But, with its superior public relations forces, Israel can easily deflect concern about its barbaric assault."

wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 12:39pm:

You are pizzing in the wind if you think you are going to get rid of Islam, why does Israel have more rights than Palastine?

I think the problem referred to in this thread is with Islamism as opposed to Islam per se.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 2:29pm:

wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 12:39pm: You are pizzing in the wind if you think you are going to get rid of Islam, why does Israel have more rights than Palastine? I think the problem referred to in this thread is with Islamism as opposed to Islam per se.

I know what you mean helian but if you believe   what I read here all followers of Islam seem to be classed as extremists, but you have as much chance of stopping that as you do the zionists and neo cons.

wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 1:43pm:

This is written by a member of the Australian government, are they anti semitic? All you Islam haters will say so no doubt, read a few facts and try not to let your hate of Islam get in the way. Julie Erwin is a member of the federal Labor government and she writes- "YOU'VE got to hand it to the Israeli public relations flacks: only they could convince you that killing children was an act of self-defence. ...."

Skipp, Julie Erwin may or may not is anti semitic for all I care but I know that she tells lies.  Haven't you spotted it yourself in her opening phrase?
It isn't good argument to quote lies as facts, in fact it is self defeating argument.

wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 2:35pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 2:29pm: wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 12:39pm: You are pizzing in the wind if you think you are going to get rid of Islam, why does Israel have more rights than Palastine? I think the problem referred to in this thread is with Islamism as opposed to Islam per se. I know what you mean helian but if you believe   what I read here all followers of Islam seem to be classed as extremists, but you have as much chance of stopping that as you do the zionists and neo cons.

Actually I separate Palestinian people from extremist hamas. So that was another emotional fib coming from you.

tallowood wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 2:41pm:

wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 1:43pm: This is written by a member of the Australian government, are they anti semitic? All you Islam haters will say so no doubt, read a few facts and try not to let your hate of Islam get in the way. Julie Erwin is a member of the federal Labor government and she writes- "YOU'VE got to hand it to the Israeli public relations flacks: only they could convince you that killing children was an act of self-defence. ...." Skipp, Julie Erwin may or may not is anti semitic for all I care but I know that she tells lies.  Haven't you spotted it yourself in her opening phrase? It isn't good argument to quote lies as facts, in fact it is self defeating argument.

only they could convince you that killing children was an act of self-defence.
...."
Thats exactly what they've done to you, she's spot on you're just to blinded by your hate of Islam to see it.

wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 2:52pm:

tallowood wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 2:41pm: wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 1:43pm: This is written by a member of the Australian government, are they anti semitic? All you Islam haters will say so no doubt, read a few facts and try not to let your hate of Islam get in the way. Julie Erwin is a member of the federal Labor government and she writes- "YOU'VE got to hand it to the Israeli public relations flacks: only they could convince you that killing children was an act of self-defence. ...." Skipp, Julie Erwin may or may not is anti semitic for all I care but I know that she tells lies.  Haven't you spotted it yourself in her opening phrase? It isn't good argument to quote lies as facts, in fact it is self defeating argument. only they could convince you that killing children was an act of self-defence. ...." Thats exactly what they've done to you, she's spot on you're just to blinded by your hate of Islam to see it.

But they did not convinced you. Right? That makes Julie Erwin a dirty lier especially as she tells her lies using parliamentary privileges. And as I said before lies are lies not facts as you pretend them to be.

wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 2:35pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 2:29pm: wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 12:39pm: You are pizzing in the wind if you think you are going to get rid of Islam, why does Israel have more rights than Palastine? I think the problem referred to in this thread is with Islamism as opposed to Islam per se. I know what you mean helian but if you believe   what I read here all followers of Islam seem to be classed as extremists, but you have as much chance of stopping that as you do the zionists and neo cons.

I believe the path to resolution requires the extrication of the Islamist cause from the Palestinian cause and then to neutralise or exterminate Islamism in the region. Islamism, in its incarnation as Hamas, is a death cult (whose members are not unlike the region's ancient zealots) that has morphed into a belligerent and chauvanistic political movement. Hamas desires the complete destruction of the Palestinian people if its impossible aims are not met such that they would rather Israelis be saddled with the inevitable terrible consequences of defending their nation than risk the Palestinian people finding a way to peace with Israel.

It is not possible to wish for the destruction of Israel without also willing the destruction of the Palestinian people.

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This is written by a member of the Australian government, are they anti semitic? All you Islam haters will say so no doubt, read a few facts and try not to let your hate of Islam get in the way. Julie Erwin is a member of the federal Labor government and she writes-

It's like saying that what one member of the US congress says is official US policy. It's not.

It's just what one particular leftie backbencher believes. So what. She is entitled to her opinion, as clueless as it is.

Oh did Skippy forget to take his valium again..  did he bend over too fast and his widdle bwain fallded out?

gee skip...  you need a holiday or something?

No use ranting at me when I tell you the truth or crapping on about a genocide that isn't happening or listening to dolts from the Labor party.

here one more time just for you and on topic summary.

Right skippy...
1/  they are not banned.
2/ there is an international convention on its use.
3/ israel say they have not breached any international conventions.
4/ it is not primarily an incendary weapon but used for smokescreens and marking targets.
5/ GENEVA (AP) — The international Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest it is being used improperly or illegally.
6/ Human Rights watch have toned down their original claims, now warning "of the possibilities of extreme fire and civilian injuries."

Grendel wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 4:55pm:

Oh did Skippy forget to take his valium again..  did he bend over too fast and his widdle bwain fallded out? gee skip...  you need a holiday or something? No use ranting at me when I tell you the truth or crapping on about a genocide that isn't happening or listening to dolts from the Labor party. here one more time just for you and on topic summary. Right skippy... 1/  they are not banned. 2/ there is an international convention on its use. 3/ israel say they have not breached any international conventions. 4/ it is not primarily an incendary weapon but used for smokescreens and marking targets. 5/ GENEVA (AP) — The international Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest it is being used improperly or illegally. 6/ Human Rights watch have toned down their original claims, now warning "of the possibilities of extreme fire and civilian injuries."

Thats it boofy- baaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaa keep it up your neo con masters can hear you.

tallowood wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 3:05pm:

wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 2:52pm: tallowood wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 2:41pm: wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 1:43pm: This is written by a member of the Australian government, are they anti semitic? All you Islam haters will say so no doubt, read a few facts and try not to let your hate of Islam get in the way. Julie Erwin is a member of the federal Labor government and she writes- "YOU'VE got to hand it to the Israeli public relations flacks: only they could convince you that killing children was an act of self-defence. ...." Skipp, Julie Erwin may or may not is anti semitic for all I care but I know that she tells lies.  Haven't you spotted it yourself in her opening phrase? It isn't good argument to quote lies as facts, in fact it is self defeating argument. only they could convince you that killing children was an act of self-defence. ...." Thats exactly what they've done to you, she's spot on you're just to blinded by your hate of Islam to see it. But they did not convinced you. Right? That makes Julie Erwin a dirty lier especially as she tells her lies using parliamentary privileges. And as I said before lies are lies not facts as you pretend them to be.

You are pretty stupid arn't you? got you in one as a sheeple you and the sheepdog boofy both as dumb as each other.
The story was written in the SYDNEY MORNING HERALD, no parlimentary privilage there dipshit, fmd, why do they breed rightard retards so thick.

Right skippy...
1/  they are not banned.

Yes they are you l why do you tell lies?

2/ there is an international convention on its use.

Yep no use,dipshit.
3/ israel say they have not breached any international conventions

Israel like you are lying .
4/ it is not primarily an incendary weapon but used for smokescreens and marking targets.
Bullshit, your best lie so far.

5/ GENEVA (AP) — The international Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest it is being used improperly or illegally.
Bullshit again , probablt worse than your last.
6/ Human Rights watch have toned down their original claims, now warning "of the possibilities of extreme fire and civilian injuries."
so what? look just because you're an apologist for the zionist neo con scum dont expect any body with a brain to buy it, thats why most Australians agree with me, except of couse the racist Islam haters here ,like yourself the're to  :o dumb arse to get it through their wittle  heads that the're being had.
So in summary ,you're a lying  >:(, nothing has changed.

NO NO IT ISN'T TRUE LALALALALALALALALALALALALA....

Oh poor skippy living in denial again.

wake up Skippy I posted the truth you are W R O N G.... again.

If you really wanted to know the truth you could have looked it up as easily as i did.  :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on Jan 15^th, 2009 at 11:18am:

NO NO IT ISN'T TRUE LALALALALALALALALALALALALA.... Oh poor skippy living in denial again. wake up Skippy I posted the truth you are W R O N G.... again. If you really wanted to know the truth you could have looked it up as easily as i did.  :D :D :D

I told you I get all my imfo from the mainstream MSM, unlike you I dont think it wise to go to Israel government web sites to post their propaganda here, look what its already done to the braindead like yourself.

ROTFLMAO

rant and rave all you like Skipp...  wont make you right.

I went to the source for info re the weapons etc.

Grendel wrote on Jan 15^th, 2009 at 12:45pm:

ROTFLMAO rant and rave all you like Skipp...  wont make you right. I went to the source for info re the weapons etc.

Thats what I said, the Israel gov website, baaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

wrote on Jan 15^th, 2009 at 3:51pm:

Grendel wrote on Jan 15th, 2009 at 12:45pm: ROTFLMAO rant and rave all you like Skipp...  wont make you right. I went to the source for info re the weapons etc. Thats what I said, the Israel gov website, baaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

You are pretty stupid aren't you? Israel gov website is more trustworthy then the lying moron you were quoting early.   :D

tallowood wrote on Jan 15^th, 2009 at 3:56pm:

wrote on Jan 15th, 2009 at 3:51pm: Grendel wrote on Jan 15th, 2009 at 12:45pm: ROTFLMAO rant and rave all you like Skipp...  wont make you right. I went to the source for info re the weapons etc. Thats what I said, the Israel gov website, baaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa You are pretty stupid aren't you? Israel gov website is more trustworthy then the lying moron you were quoting early.   :D

boofy I can hear one of your flock baaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, I think this ones even dumber than you.
I love it when the right whingers reinforce their belief by posting stories as "proof" and then admitting that it actually came from the webite of the terrorists doing all the killing, ha ha .

You are justi being adversarial, and contrary, on this issue skip.
I know you have a profound mistrust of anything that emanates from Israeli sources, as always being Zionist propaganda, and in many instances I am sure you would be justified in that belief, but not always.

Israel is a democratic country, and has far more transparency than the religious zealots running palestine, if you can call decimating her people, and embroiling them in constant violent struggle, as "running" the country.

Also, just because you have a long history of arguing with Beo, does not mean that just beause Beo supports something, that you must therefore oppose it.

I think many here go way too far in their condemnation of Islam, and do not make the allowances for muslims, that they would extend to members of other religious groups, but they are also not just biased baseless prejudices they display, they are positions arrived at after hearing way too many muslims, justifying terrorist groups.

I still hold the position that people are people, and if given the chance for a normal peaceful life, most will usually take it, however, the degree of prejudice and hatred for anything not Islamic, displayed and taught by such huge numbers of muslims, is of great concern.

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I think many here go way too far in their condemnation of Islam, and do not make the allowances for muslims, that they would extend to members of other religious groups, but they are also not just biased baseless prejudices they display, they are positions arrived at after hearing way too many muslims, justifying terrorist groups. I still hold the position that people are people, and if given the chance for a normal peaceful life, most will usually take it, however, the degree of prejudice and hatred for anything not Islamic, displayed and taught by such huge numbers of muslims, is of great concern.

Islam is counting on most people to believe that, it brings them closer to their eventual destruction and Islam's victory. Your 'tolerance' will be the engine of your own destruction.

It's like the Jews believing that they could negotiate with Hitler and the Third Reich. It's only a star of david, not a big deal. Alright, we cannot marry gentiles, not so bad. Ok, we have to live in certain places, but at least we are alive right?

Incrementalism, demands, white anting of institutions and the pillars of Western society until enough of it is crumbling so that Islam can destroy it. The plans for this have been laid out in incredible detail for more than 1000 years now. And you think you can just negotiate and that will wipe away centuries of jihad and warfare that says, you are your society is an abomination that needs to be destroyed?

This is foolishness without compare - but - you are not in the minority however.

Well we will have to disagree there Calanen, I know how profound your mistrust of Islam is, and I do not disagree with that sentiment.

Where we do profoundly differ, is that I still have faith, that at the end of the day, that muslims are just normal people, mums and dads, who love their kids, and want the best for them.
Unfortunately too many get led astray with the zealotry preached to them, by the extremist elements within their religion, but  I do not write them off as being evil, just misled.

Your position is not dissimiliar to that displayed towards russian communists during the cold war, where the average russian was conned into believing the stupid party propaganda, and hated the west, and were all considered to be enemies of freedom and democracy.

Well at the end of the day, peoples humanity won through, and once the evil propaganda was stopped being forced down their throats, they just became normal families again.

So I am happy to give muslims the same opportunity to live normal peaceful lives, and sincerely hope that they turn their backs on extremism, and proceed to enjoy a newer more modern, and tolerant form of Islam, that can happily co-exist with other beliefs.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 15^th, 2009 at 4:49pm:

Well we will have to disagree there Calanen, I know how profound your mistrust of Islam is, and I do not disagree with that sentiment. Where we do profoundly differ, is that I still have faith, that at the end of the day, that muslims are just normal people, mums and dads, who love their kids, and want the best for them. Unfortunately too many get led astray with the zealotry preached to them, by the extremist elements within their religion, but  I do not write them off as being evil, just misled. Your position is not dissimiliar to that displayed towards russian communists during the cold war, where the average russian was conned into believing the stupid party propaganda, and hated the west, and were all considered to be enemies of freedom and democracy. Well at the end of the day, peoples humanity won through, and once the evil propaganda was stopped being forced down their throats, they just became normal families again. So I am happy to give muslims the same opportunity to live normal peaceful lives, and sincerely hope that they turn their backs on extremism, and proceed to enjoy a newer more modern, and tolerant form of Islam, that can happily co-exist with other beliefs.

Mozz, the difference between russians (or for that matter ukranian, belorussian,  etc.) people and muslims is that when former managed to escape from USSR and settled in the Western countries, they have rejected the ideology outright while later want Western countries to ajust to their ideology.
Also how would you practically help them to get rid of extremist leaders without rewriting the book they live by?

Oh Skippy...

I don't know why you keep blabbing on about Israeli websites for.

I told you I went to the source.

I already knew about Magnesium and Phosphorus weapons...  from my time with the ADF.

But I went to an up to date weapons site to confirm what I knew.

I didn't think they'd been banned so i checked the UN protocol regarding their use...

and voila Skipperoony.....  the truth shall set you free.

Of course you could have looked it up yourself.  ::) ::) ::)

wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 8:29am:

Calanen wrote on Jan 11th, 2009 at 8:08pm: White phosphorous isnt banned for Israel. They never signed the protocol against their use, I think you'll find. Neither did the USA, as it happens. Just because Israel dosn't sign a protocol dosn't mean the weapons arn't banned, fmd, I am soooooooooo over you fukkin jew apologists the p ricks are committing genocide and wacist ##### say ohh they didn't sign the protocol so they can use them, Israel are lying murdering scum and so are ### ###### supporting them.

Agreed 100%

Except of course the weapons aren't banned.

Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons
Protocol III

Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Incendiary Weapons.
Geneva, 10 October 1980
Article 1
Definitions
For the purpose of this Protocol:

Incendiary weapon" means any weapon or munition which is primarily designed to set fire to objects or to cause burn injury to persons through the action of flame, heat, or combination thereof, produced by a chemical reaction of a substance delivered on the target. (a) Incendiary weapons can take the form of, for example, flame throwers, fougasses, shells, rockets, grenades, mines, bombs and other containers of incendiary substances.

(b) Incendiary weapons do not include:

(i) Munitions which may have incidental incendiary effects, such as illuminants, tracers, smoke or signalling systems;

(ii) Munitions designed to combine penetration, blast or fragmentation effects with an additional incendiary effect, such as armour-piercing projectiles, fragmentation shells, explosive bombs and similar combined-effects munitions in which the incendiary effect is not specifically designed to cause burn injury to persons, but to be used against military objectives, such as armoured vehicles, aircraft and installations or facilities.

Concentration of civilians" means any concentration of civilians, be it permanent or temporary, such as in inhabited parts of cities, or inhabited towns or villages, or as in camps or columns of refugees or evacuees, or groups of nomads.

Military objective" means, so far as objects are concerned, any object which by its nature, location, purpose or use makes an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage.

Civilian objects" are all objects which are not military objectives as defined in paragraph 3.

Feasible precautions" are those precautions which are practicable or practically possible taking into account all circumstances ruling at the time, including humanitarian and military considerations.

Article 2

Protection of civilians and civilian objects

It is prohibited in all circumstances to make the civilian population as such, individual civilians or civilian objects the object of attack by incendiary weapons.

It is prohibited in all circumstances to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by air-delivered incendiary weapons.

It is further prohibited to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by means of incendiary weapons other than air-delivered incendiary weapons, except when such military objective is clearly separated from the concentration of civilians and all feasible precautions are taken with a view to limiting the incendiary effects to the military objective and to avoiding, and in any event to minimizing, incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects.

It is prohibited to make forests or other kinds of plant cover the object of attack by incendiary weapons except when such natural elements are used to cover, conceal or camouflage combatants or other military objectives, or are themselves military objectives.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/int/convention_conventional-wpns_prot-iii.htm

Media 'War Crimes'
The latest media developments as Israel's campaign against Hamas continues.

PHOSPHORUS CHARGES REBUKED

Accusations that Israel employs sinister and "illegal" weapons are not new. Now, the politicized non-governmental organization Human Rights Watch has condemned Israel for allegedly using white phosphorus weapons unlawfully in the conflict with Hamas. NGOs such as HRW enjoy the "halo effect", whereby, because of their humanitarian focus, they are insulated from scrutiny and are regarded as above reproach by the media. In this case, media including The Guardian, Times of London, Christian Science Monitor and CNN have repeated HRW's claims.

However, this charge has been disputed by the International Red Cross, which stated that it had no evidence to suggest that white phosphorus is being used improperly or illegally by Israel. As the AP reports:

"In some of the strikes in Gaza it's pretty clear that phosphorus was used," [Peter] Herby told The Associated Press. "But it's not very unusual to use phosphorus to create smoke or illuminate a target. We have no evidence to suggest it's being used in any other way." ...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j2vQ8GynRSG8lBEQir4RtXL9Ib2AD95MLHHG0

Herby said that using phosphorus to illuminate a target or create smoke is legitimate under international law, and that there was no evidence the Jewish state was intentionally using phosphorus in a questionable way, such as burning down buildings or consciously putting civilians at risk.

White phosphorus has, however, been used as a weapon against civilians during this conflict... by Hamas. On Tuesday a mortar shell fired from Gaza into Israel contained white phosphorus. As the regional council's security chief said: "the potential danger of using such a rocket is enormous. It is far more dangerous than other Qassam rockets and mortal shells. This is an escalation in the type of explosives the Palestinians use on civilians."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3656311,00.html

We challenge Human Rights Watch to condemn this attack in the same way it has (falsely) condemned Israel. Send your comments to HRW - hrwnyc@hrw.org.

See NGO Monitor for more on HRW and its role in spreading the white phosphorus charge in the media.

Will the international media condemn or even report on this development? We won't hold our breath.

Write to the following media outlets:

The Guardian - letters@guardian.co.uk
The Times - letters@thetimes.co.uk
Christian Science Monitor - http://www.csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/encryptmail.pl?ID=CFF0C5E4
CNN - http://edition.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form1.html?18

http://honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/new/Media_War_Crimes.asp

What was that skip?

You were completely w r o n g again.    ;D ;D ;D

Told you so.