Or will sex always get in the way.?

Can a man want a friendship with a female and not expect at some point to have sex with her?

It can be the same to some extent for females.. :-/

definitely they can be friends. sometimes the naughty gets in the way- but even if it does the friendship can continue on

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 21^st, 2009 at 7:45pm:

definitely they can be friends. sometimes the naughty gets in the way- but even if it does the friendship can continue on

Is that assuming that one or the other does not get emotionally involved i wonder...?

Men can have sex and it can be" just sex"...women don't get this concept..then its trouble.

oceanz wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2009 at 12:17am:

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 21st, 2009 at 7:45pm: definitely they can be friends. sometimes the naughty gets in the way- but even if it does the friendship can continue on Is that assuming that one or the other does not get emotionally involved i wonder...? Men can have sex and it can be" just sex"...women don't get this concept..then its trouble.

I think that's the crux of it. Men can be friends with women without the need for sex, but would usually be willing if it was on the friendship menu. Men just want to get back to the friendship part after sex. After a nap of course.

You've seen the signs and T-shirts, Eats Roots and Leaves. That's us!

Yes men can, I do, I have always got on better with women than men, I have some mates I've had for 30 plus years but when I make new friends its often with women, I live in a place with a small population about 200 in the valley, and as I took my son to playgroup and pre school I found I got to meet lots of women and became friends with them before I met their husbands, I get on with some of the husbands but I get the vibe some dont like me and I think its because I'm friends with their wife rather then friends with them.
I even find on the "net" that I get on better with women than I do men, Its always been the same.

I've always gotten on with men better than women.

sometimes the nookie gets in the way. but sometimes guys get emotionally attached too and that causes the same problem...

usually if the friendship is strong enough you can overcome it though.

I think it gets tricky when there's an ongoing sexual relationship instead of just a one night stand or something

I agree though skippy- once you meet the other half it can have a negative effect cause they assume you're trying for something more than friendship

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2009 at 12:03pm:

I've always gotten on with men better than women. sometimes the nookie gets in the way. but sometimes guys get emotionally attached too and that causes the same problem... usually if the friendship is strong enough you can overcome it though. I think it gets tricky when there's an ongoing sexual relationship instead of just a one night stand or something I agree though skippy- once you meet the other half it can have a negative effect cause they assume you're trying for something more than friendship

I also get on better with men than women .. Love their humour and just their way of looking at the world. They are forgiving mostly and not hard to please..good sex, good food and clean clothes and thats it for them.

A lot of women are never happy and it is frustrating to see them sabotage good relationships due to this.

Skippy you must be a threat to these men.. ;) Take it as a compliment.
Men are more forgiving toward woman and vice versa..

It pretty much boils down to, how honest they can be.
I had a girlfriend whose best mate was a guy she had been friends with for years, and I told her that he was in love with her.
She scoffed, and assumed it was down to jealousy on my part, that I was seeing something, that wasn't there.
Well, I wasn't, and it was.
When he finally tried to get amorous one night, after having had too much to drink, he confessed his feelings for her, and naturally, she felt betrayed, and the friendship was ruined.

Now if he had been up front about his feelings from the start, they may have been able to have an honest friendship, but a relationship, of any kind, that is not built on trust, is really not worth having.

It is very hard for people when they are young, to sort their feelings out, it is one of the few benefits of age, that we get past that stuff, or at least most of us do.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2009 at 5:08pm:

It pretty much boils down to, how honest they can be. I had a girlfriend whose best mate was a guy she had been friends with for years, and I told her that he was in love with her. She scoffed, and assumed it was down to jealousy on my part, that I was seeing something, that wasn't there. Well, I wasn't, and it was. When he finally tried to get amorous one night, after having had too much to drink, he confessed his feelings for her, and naturally, she felt betrayed, and the friendship was ruined. Now if he had been up front about his feelings from the start, they may have been able to have an honest friendship, but a relationship, of any kind, that is not built on trust, is really not worth having. It is very hard for people when they are young, to sort their feelings out, it is one of the few benefits of age, that we get past that stuff, or at least most of us do.

I suppose so..but if a man says to a girl.."can we just hang out for sex?...she would slap him. A man lies because he thinks he has to..to get what he wants ( not all men lie..but a lot do ). And females know this.

Men will cover, as you say Mozz, feelings of love as friendship...this complicates things

oceanz wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2009 at 9:34pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 5:08pm: It pretty much boils down to, how honest they can be. I had a girlfriend whose best mate was a guy she had been friends with for years, and I told her that he was in love with her. She scoffed, and assumed it was down to jealousy on my part, that I was seeing something, that wasn't there. Well, I wasn't, and it was. When he finally tried to get amorous one night, after having had too much to drink, he confessed his feelings for her, and naturally, she felt betrayed, and the friendship was ruined. Now if he had been up front about his feelings from the start, they may have been able to have an honest friendship, but a relationship, of any kind, that is not built on trust, is really not worth having. It is very hard for people when they are young, to sort their feelings out, it is one of the few benefits of age, that we get past that stuff, or at least most of us do. I suppose so..but if a man says to a girl.."can we just hang out for sex?...she would slap him. A man lies because he thinks he has to..to get what he wants ( not all men lie..but a lot do ). And females know this. Men will cover, as you say Mozz, feelings of love as friendship...this complicates things

I dunno- I know some people with casual sex relationships- they've just set it up that way

you're rigt though- a lot of the time women know men are full of it but they play along anyway to get what they want....ok I dunno if you intended what you said to mean that- but it's true :P

Yes of course they can. However the younger generation seem to be better at it than we ever were. When I was in my teens and 20's, I found it difficult just to be friends, and I was continually in and out of close relationships. Nowadays, we seem to have a different situation, at least judging by my kids and their friends. It's difficult for a 50 something guy to understand that situation, but I'm filled with admiration about the lack of hang ups that kids seem to have nowadays.

I think it boils down to how big your circle of friends is.

The other thing is that nowadays, it's seems to be ok for 'friends' to have sex now and again and just stay as friends. To me that's alien, as in off the planet, but then I'll never quite understand.

muso wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 9:28am:

Yes of course they can. However the younger generation seem to be better at it than we ever were. When I was in my teens and 20's, I found it difficult just to be friends, and I was continually in and out of close relationships. Nowadays, we seem to have a different situation, at least judging by my kids and their friends. It's difficult for a 50 something guy to understand that situation, but I'm filled with admiration about the lack of hang ups that kids seem to have nowadays. I think it boils down to how big your circle of friends is. The other thing is that nowadays, it's seems to be ok for 'friends' to have sex now and again and just stay as friends. To me that's alien, as in off the planet, but then I'll never quite understand.

How many degrees of seperation here tho muso?...if 2 pple are having sex and staying friends..I tend to think unknowingly have they crossed the friendship line and are now in fact in love..but yet hasnt been acknowledged openly by either?

There is a fine line between friendship and love I would think?

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2009 at 10:28pm:

oceanz wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 9:34pm: mozzaok wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 5:08pm: It pretty much boils down to, how honest they can be. I had a girlfriend whose best mate was a guy she had been friends with for years, and I told her that he was in love with her. She scoffed, and assumed it was down to jealousy on my part, that I was seeing something, that wasn't there. Well, I wasn't, and it was. When he finally tried to get amorous one night, after having had too much to drink, he confessed his feelings for her, and naturally, she felt betrayed, and the friendship was ruined. Now if he had been up front about his feelings from the start, they may have been able to have an honest friendship, but a relationship, of any kind, that is not built on trust, is really not worth having. It is very hard for people when they are young, to sort their feelings out, it is one of the few benefits of age, that we get past that stuff, or at least most of us do. I suppose so..but if a man says to a girl.."can we just hang out for sex?...she would slap him. A man lies because he thinks he has to..to get what he wants ( not all men lie..but a lot do ). And females know this. Men will cover, as you say Mozz, feelings of love as friendship...this complicates things I dunno- I know some people with casual sex relationships- they've just set it up that way you're rigt though- a lot of the time women know men are full of it but they play along anyway to get what they want....ok I dunno if you intended what you said to mean that- but it's true :P

Not quite Gayb..I just meant some men are very easy to see thru ( if the female isn't wearing rose coloured glasses that is) and if she does or will in the future , the man is ruining his own chances .. they both miss out.

oceanz wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 10:41am:

muso wrote on Jan 23rd, 2009 at 9:28am: Yes of course they can. However the younger generation seem to be better at it than we ever were. When I was in my teens and 20's, I found it difficult just to be friends, and I was continually in and out of close relationships. Nowadays, we seem to have a different situation, at least judging by my kids and their friends. It's difficult for a 50 something guy to understand that situation, but I'm filled with admiration about the lack of hang ups that kids seem to have nowadays. I think it boils down to how big your circle of friends is. The other thing is that nowadays, it's seems to be ok for 'friends' to have sex now and again and just stay as friends. To me that's alien, as in off the planet, but then I'll never quite understand. How many degrees of seperation here tho muso?...if 2 pple are having sex and staying friends..I tend to think unknowingly have they crossed the friendship line and are now in fact in love..but yet hasnt been acknowledged openly by either? There is a fine line between friendship and love I would think?

not in my experience. sex isn't driven by love it's driven by lust. I think you're talking long term friends having sex then sure they could be in love, but they could also just be drunk.

or maybe I'm just cynical :P

i do agree though- if you have a close friendship and are regularly sleeping together there are probably feelings there

oceanz wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 10:47am:

Not quite Gayb..I just meant some men are very easy to see thru ( if the female isn't wearing rose coloured glasses that is) and if she does or will in the future , the man is ruining his own chances .. they both miss out.

aha- I was talking more about when you're a club and a guy is spinning lines and in your mind you're thinking "'I know what you're doing but hell I feel like kissing someone so I'm just gonna let you think you're 'working your magic'"

man this convo is making me sound like a massive tramp  :o

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not in my experience. sex isn't driven by love it's driven by lust. I think you're talking long term friends having sex then sure they could be in love, but they could also just be drunk. or maybe I'm just cynical i do agree though- if you have a close friendship and are regularly sleeping together there are probably feelings there

Lust is a big part of it..a bit of chicken and egg..which came first?
If love be the end result?

Quote:

aha- I was talking more about when you're a club and a guy is spinning lines and in your mind you're thinking "'I know what you're doing but hell I feel like kissing someone so I'm just gonna let you think you're 'working your magic'" man this convo is making me sound like a massive tramp  :o

I like your style gayb..its legitimate..some guys have really adolescent pick up  lines..and their quite funny in the way they go about it..they think they are fooling you..

Like men who cheat on wives and girlfriends ..spin the most lame and stupid bullshit and they think the gf/wife is non the wiser. ;)

A woman can smell a cheat.

hahaha- true true

that's what always annoys me about guys who act like picking up is some major coup- it's like, ugh- we're not passive in this process you know, you haven't fooled us - we know what's going on

and yeah true- lust and love can be intertwined. this is reminding me of harry met sally - hehe

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 12:52pm:

hahaha- true true that's what always annoys me about guys who act like picking up is some major coup- it's like, ugh- we're not passive in this process you know, you haven't fooled us - we know what's going on and yeah true- lust and love can be intertwined. this is reminding me of harry met sally - hehe

One of my favourite movies .. never get sick of watching it. Tho' I never did understand her attraction to Harry..he was so wellllll..not sexy !!

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not in my experience. sex isn't driven by love it's driven by lust. I think you're talking long term friends having sex then sure they could be in love, but they could also just be drunk. or maybe I'm just cynical

That's what I was talking about. You're obviously 20 something Gabriel. It's a Gen X versus Gen Y thing. Gen X are generally more conservative, and most baby boomers used to be more like Gen Y than Gen X when they were younger, but most won't admit to it.

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A woman can smell a cheat.

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Puglyh1nxWo/default.jpg
The only thing they smell is their ass cause their head is stuckup it.

My ex always thought I was cheating and I never did. Yes, I had a reputation for being pretty ambivalant and just dating whoever, whenever, on a whim. But then again no woman ever actually appealed to me enough to remain loyal.

That's the thanks I get. Never do a good deed.


http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/_zmyHVaPgp8/default.jpg
Also none of this liberal vs conservative crap. I have female friends, but only cause I'm not sexually attracted to them. I see no reason to pain myself with enduring what I can never have simply to appear nice and non-reactionary.

Women exist for me to sleep with them. There, I said it. If you're not going to sleep with me then you need to get to the bugger away from me. I don't want to be your God-damn friend. I got enough friends, and they suck. I just hangout with them to kill time.

wow and even with such a great attitude as that she STILL didn't trust you? gosh- she must have been crazy  ::)

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 12:52pm:

hahaha- true true that's what always annoys me about guys who act like picking up is some major coup- it's like, ugh- we're not passive in this process you know, you haven't fooled us - we know what's going on and yeah true- lust and love can be intertwined. this is reminding me of harry met sally - hehe

There was a senior executive I knew that had 5 daughters. He said to me, about women 'We think we pick them. We don't son. They pick us.'

NO

Jasin wrote on Feb 19^th, 2022 at 6:14pm:

NO

Yes but they have to be the ones you friendzone on first sight, which means pretty much I wouldn't touch that, it's not breedable... If there is a hint of sexual interest from the outset, it becomes much harder.

Jesus and Lazarus, another Jasin necrophilically resurrected thread.

I do have a number of attractive female friends. Given the opportunity I would with any one of them. Happy to just be friends but the option is always sitting on the table.

If you are a hetro male please do not tell me that you never thought about it.

Calanen wrote on Feb 8^th, 2009 at 10:57pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 23rd, 2009 at 12:52pm: hahaha- true true that's what always annoys me about guys who act like picking up is some major coup- it's like, ugh- we're not passive in this process you know, you haven't fooled us - we know what's going on and yeah true- lust and love can be intertwined. this is reminding me of harry met sally - hehe There was a senior executive I knew that had 5 daughters. He said to me, about women 'We think we pick them. We don't son. They pick us.'

100% correct.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 20^th, 2022 at 7:15pm:

Calanen wrote on Feb 8th, 2009 at 10:57pm: Gaybriel wrote on Jan 23rd, 2009 at 12:52pm: hahaha- true true that's what always annoys me about guys who act like picking up is some major coup- it's like, ugh- we're not passive in this process you know, you haven't fooled us - we know what's going on and yeah true- lust and love can be intertwined. this is reminding me of harry met sally - hehe There was a senior executive I knew that had 5 daughters. He said to me, about women 'We think we pick them. We don't son. They pick us.' 100% correct.

Not quite, there are many that could "pick" me that would not get their wish. It's a two way thing.

Setanta wrote on Feb 20^th, 2022 at 7:19pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2022 at 7:15pm: Calanen wrote on Feb 8th, 2009 at 10:57pm: Gaybriel wrote on Jan 23rd, 2009 at 12:52pm: hahaha- true true that's what always annoys me about guys who act like picking up is some major coup- it's like, ugh- we're not passive in this process you know, you haven't fooled us - we know what's going on and yeah true- lust and love can be intertwined. this is reminding me of harry met sally - hehe There was a senior executive I knew that had 5 daughters. He said to me, about women 'We think we pick them. We don't son. They pick us.' 100% correct. Not quite, there are many that could "pick" me that would not get their wish. It's a two way thing.

Very true also but in terms of the position stated all it means is they they would then pick someone else. The male option is secondary.

Calanen wrote on Feb 8^th, 2009 at 10:57pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 23rd, 2009 at 12:52pm: hahaha- true true that's what always annoys me about guys who act like picking up is some major coup- it's like, ugh- we're not passive in this process you know, you haven't fooled us - we know what's going on and yeah true- lust and love can be intertwined. this is reminding me of harry met sally - hehe There was a senior executive I knew that had 5 daughters. He said to me, about women 'We think we pick them. We don't son. They pick us.'

Who is Calanen?

Who is Gaybriel?

Jasin wrote on Feb 19^th, 2022 at 6:14pm:

NO

Hang on Jasin....we're friends. Aren't we?

oceanz wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 12:24pm:

Quote: not in my experience. sex isn't driven by love it's driven by lust. I think you're talking long term friends having sex then sure they could be in love, but they could also just be drunk. or maybe I'm just cynical i do agree though- if you have a close friendship and are regularly sleeping together there are probably feelings there Lust is a big part of it..a bit of chicken and egg..which came first? If love be the end result?

We can solve that question right here, right now :


https://i.imgur.com/877syrZ.jpg

;D

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 20^th, 2022 at 8:53pm:

Calanen wrote on Feb 8th, 2009 at 10:57pm: Gaybriel wrote on Jan 23rd, 2009 at 12:52pm: hahaha- true true that's what always annoys me about guys who act like picking up is some major coup- it's like, ugh- we're not passive in this process you know, you haven't fooled us - we know what's going on and yeah true- lust and love can be intertwined. this is reminding me of harry met sally - hehe There was a senior executive I knew that had 5 daughters. He said to me, about women 'We think we pick them. We don't son. They pick us.' Who is Calanen? Who is Gaybriel?

Gaybriel may be Beowulf.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 9:54pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 20th, 2022 at 8:53pm: Calanen wrote on Feb 8th, 2009 at 10:57pm: Gaybriel wrote on Jan 23rd, 2009 at 12:52pm: hahaha- true true that's what always annoys me about guys who act like picking up is some major coup- it's like, ugh- we're not passive in this process you know, you haven't fooled us - we know what's going on and yeah true- lust and love can be intertwined. this is reminding me of harry met sally - hehe There was a senior executive I knew that had 5 daughters. He said to me, about women 'We think we pick them. We don't son. They pick us.' Who is Calanen? Who is Gaybriel? Gaybriel may be Beowulf.

Although he may not be. The grammar and syntax doesn't match.

its good old oceanz here- as far as I can gather the answer is NO!!!!!

Setanta wrote on Feb 20^th, 2022 at 6:57pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 19th, 2022 at 6:14pm: NO Yes but they have to be the ones you friendzone on first sight, which means pretty much I wouldn't touch that, it's not breedable... If there is a hint of sexual interest from the outset, it becomes much harder. Jesus and Lazarus, another Jasin necrophilically resurrected thread.

Sex isn't just about 'breeding' Set.
Look at Gay people.
People have sex for pleasure.
For the sake of just having sex because they can.
Etc.

Onya Oceanz  ;)

...I think Set is upset that I haven't brought back any of his old Topics.  :D

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 20^th, 2022 at 8:55pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 19th, 2022 at 6:14pm: NO Hang on Jasin....we're friends. Aren't we?

Yes we are.
I guess I'm wrong then.

Can it apply to online relationships or is that different?

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Dnarever wrote on Mar 9^th, 2022 at 7:01pm:

Can it apply to online relationships or is that different?

its always the same thing , i believe that the man always wants sex, the woman not so much or she would  not be alone ( in most cases)in the first place.   Women know there is a man out there who will want a woman at some point!!
*

Captain Nemo wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 10:08am:

oceanz wrote on Jan 23rd, 2009 at 12:24pm: Quote: not in my experience. sex isn't driven by love it's driven by lust. I think you're talking long term friends having sex then sure they could be in love, but they could also just be drunk. or maybe I'm just cynical i do agree though- if you have a close friendship and are regularly sleeping together there are probably feelings there Lust is a big part of it..a bit of chicken and egg..which came first? If love be the end result? We can solve that question right here, right now : https://i.imgur.com/877syrZ.jpg ;D

The secret of our long, happy marriage? My wife and I take time to go to a restaurant twice a week. An intimate candlelit dinner, music and dancing.

She goes Tuesdays, I go Fridays.

are you with a wimmen or a man Frank?

jack- wrote on Apr 27^th, 2022 at 1:04pm:

2 Dnarever wrote on Mar 9th, 2022 at 7:01pm: Can it apply to online relationships or is that different? its always the same thing , i believe that the man always wants sex, the woman not so much or she would  not be alone ( in most cases)in the first place.   Women know there is a man out there who will want a woman at some point!! *

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i believe that the man always wants sex

For a lot of men there would be no other reason to ever bother to speak to a woman.

In my case I tent to talk to anyone.

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Dnarever wrote on Apr 27^th, 2022 at 1:43pm:

jack- wrote on Apr 27th, 2022 at 1:04pm: 2 Dnarever wrote on Mar 9th, 2022 at 7:01pm: Can it apply to online relationships or is that different? its always the same thing , i believe that the man always wants sex, the woman not so much or she would  not be alone ( in most cases)in the first place.   Women know there is a man out there who will want a woman at some point!! * Quote: i believe that the man always wants sex For a lot of men there would be no other reason to ever bother to speak to a woman. In my case I tent to talk to anyone.

great answer.

no proper answer to this question,a terrible shame

I have had plenty of female friends that I have not slept with.

same here Unsub- but i dont think that goes to answering the question!!
 
I was excluded from the forum for about a week- now my user name is a bit longer, but I am back in now- they  should have an open thread for ppl who are locked out- so they can get can an answer- very hard otherwise

Agnes. wrote on Apr 29^th, 2022 at 12:28pm:

same here Unsub- but i dont think that goes to answering the question!!

What was the question?

Yes.

But cats make much better friends.

Yes.

But cats make much better friends.

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on May 1^st, 2022 at 2:08pm:

Yes. But cats make much better friends.

seriously are you for real now? you have a pm?

Rats are not bad friends too.

I used to be Oceanz all those years ago- has my opinion changed- yes somewhat? I'll further explore the ins and outs tomorrow!

Yes.

In fact is is better that way.

smacking is a messy emotional business best left to prostitutes and stray cats.

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 6:47pm:

Yes. In fact is is better that way. smacking is a messy emotional business best left to prostitutes and stray cats.

tsk tsk

oceanz wrote on Jan 21^st, 2009 at 6:27pm:

Or will sex always get in the way.? Can a man want a friendship with a female and not expect at some point to have sex with her? It can be the same to some extent for females.. :-/

Yes, men can be friends, just friends with females.

Despite my supernova sex drive, now thankfully fading in the tides of age, I have done it often in my life.

It can be done.

oceanz wrote on Jan 21^st, 2009 at 6:27pm:

Or will sex always get in the way.? Can a man want a friendship with a female and not expect at some point to have sex with her? It can be the same to some extent for females.. :-/

Yes, men can be friends, just friends with females.

Despite my supernova sex drive, now thankfully fading in the tides of age, I have done it often in my life.

It can be done.

Agnes. wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 6:37pm:

I used to be Oceanz all those years ago- has my opinion changed- yes somewhat? I'll further explore the ins and outs tomorrow!

You can be friends with all men accept me Ocean.

Your tides flow to my full moon.

oceanz wrote on Jan 21^st, 2009 at 6:27pm:

Or will sex always get in the way.? Can a man want a friendship with a female and not expect at some point to have sex with her? It can be the same to some extent for females.. :-/

Oh for bugger sake just wake off and then take her to a Marvel Superhero movie.

This is not quantum physics.

I grew up in Arkansas and never buggered my sister.

So I answer yes.

Women and men can be friends.

oceanz wrote on Jan 21^st, 2009 at 6:27pm:

Or will sex always get in the way.? Can a man want a friendship with a female and not expect at some point to have sex with her? It can be the same to some extent for females.. :-/

Of course.  Women are humans.  Humans can be friends

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 8:33pm:

oceanz wrote on Jan 21st, 2009 at 6:27pm: Or will sex always get in the way.? Can a man want a friendship with a female and not expect at some point to have sex with her? It can be the same to some extent for females.. :-/ Of course.  Women are humans.  Humans can be friends

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 2:52pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 12th, 2022 at 7:24am: I knew when I joined a political group that the right would cry endlessly about basic human biology and biological difference.  I knew they'd obsess about sex.  Certain people here are obsessed with the contents of strangers trousers. I've been accused of driving this discussion but I've merely responded to tears with facts.  I've not started a post on this before.  But given that telling the truth calmly gets me banned every few days, here in one place is every undeniable thing we know about trans folks 1 - we know people are born trans.  We know how this happens.  The biology is well understood.  While there are gay creatures throughout the animal kingdom, we can't ask animals if they are trans, but the biology is fundamentally the same so, probably? 2 - We know being trans is not a mental illness.  Idiots call gender dysphoria being trans because they worked out gender dysphoria is in DSM5.  Gender dysphoria is not being trans.  Not all trans people experience it.  they are different things 3 - we know some people are sure they are trans, even from an early age.  Their experience of how they feel about themselves cannot be denied, they insist it's true 4 - we know you can't talk people into being trans or out of being trans.  Now, in a world where trans people are fully accepted and discussed, I do think more kids will toy with the idea for a brief period, because it's not just acceptable, kids flag themselves as gay or trans when what they mean is 'I am not a dumb bigot like the old folks'.  This does no harm.  No one gets any medication without a lot of therapy to be sure.  No one gets surgery before they are 18. 5 - The actual level of people detransitioning right now is under 5%.  Most of those, don't decide they are not trans, they decide not to pursue it because of parental harassment.  They become trans again later.  The rest realise they were gay.  All of this means that nature creates trans people, and we can't change that, or change them.  Our only option is if we are kind or not.  Why are right wing people so determined to be unkind, to children?

Can I ask you Frank...

Just how many times are you gonna post this screenful of copy pasta?

Posting it a dozen times doesn't make it any more correct or relevant
to any or every thread you choose.     If it's drivel once, it's still drivel.

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 11:36pm:

Can I ask you Frank... Just how many times are you gonna post this screenful of copy pasta? Posting it a dozen times doesn't make it any more correct or relevant to any or every thread you choose.     If it's drivel once, it's still drivel.

I have utterly buried his bullshit with facts, breaking out of that thread suggests he's had a total meltdown as he realises how clueless he is

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 13^th, 2022 at 11:36pm:

Can I ask you Frank... Just how many times are you gonna post this screenful of copy pasta? Posting it a dozen times doesn't make it any more correct or relevant to any or every thread you choose.     If it's drivel once, it's still drivel.

I am just laffing at FutureTheLeftWankTo.

Yes, it's complete drive and Wanker has been asked to provide some support for his fatuous assertions. He obviously can't  because it's just the same kind of twaddle he makes up at a million miles on every thread. Yes, it's just a bit longer blathers and a slightly more wide-ranging drivel than the rest of his bs so I found it amusing to remind him and the ladies and gentlemen in the audience that it is, well, funny sh!t.

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 3:06pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:36pm: Can I ask you Frank... Just how many times are you gonna post this screenful of copy pasta? Posting it a dozen times doesn't make it any more correct or relevant to any or every thread you choose.     If it's drivel once, it's still drivel. I am just laffing at FutureTheLeftWankTo. Yes, it's complete drive and Wanker has been asked to provide some support for his fatuous assertions. He obviously can't  because it's just the same kind of twaddle he makes up at a million miles on every thread. Yes, it's just a bit longer blathers and a slightly more wide-ranging drivel than the rest of his bs so I found it amusing to remind him and the ladies and gentlemen in the audience that it is, well, funny sh!t.

What are you crying about now? This is a stupid question, only incels can't be friends with women.  What did I assert that you want to discuss?

The question I pose is how many men on this forum have actually met a real, live, breathing woman?

Play Station or Xbox women do not count.

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 18^th, 2022 at 3:14pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 18th, 2022 at 3:06pm: AusGeoff wrote on Jul 13th, 2022 at 11:36pm: Can I ask you Frank... Just how many times are you gonna post this screenful of copy pasta? Posting it a dozen times doesn't make it any more correct or relevant to any or every thread you choose.     If it's drivel once, it's still drivel. I am just laffing at FutureTheLeftWankTo. Yes, it's complete drive and Wanker has been asked to provide some support for his fatuous assertions. He obviously can't  because it's just the same kind of twaddle he makes up at a million miles on every thread. Yes, it's just a bit longer blathers and a slightly more wide-ranging drivel than the rest of his bs so I found it amusing to remind him and the ladies and gentlemen in the audience that it is, well, funny sh!t. What are you crying about now? This is a stupid question, only incels can't be friends with women.  What did I assert that you want to discuss?

I am laughing at you and your endless idiotic drivel, fathead.  Incel? You morons bandy that about with gay abandon, it's your insult du jour. It's bollocks like all the rest of your febrile crap.

Yes, men and woman can be friends without even thinking about porking.

Why not?  Do blokes ever think about slipping one to any of their male friends?
Probably not, statistically.   Similar thing.  There's no particular connection
between sex and a platonic friendship.

Frank wrote on Jul 19^th, 2022 at 7:56pm:

I am laughing at you and your endless idiotic drivel, fathead.  Incel? You morons bandy that about with gay abandon, it's your insult du jour. It's bollocks like all the rest of your febrile crap.

Every time I insult you, I use terms I've considered and can defend

I have pulled it off a few times.

But as with my male friends, I got too drunk, offended them, and ended up talking to the cat, Henry Gonzolaz in the long night.

As a gay male I've had few problems making friends with women. That is apart from religious homophobic females and who wants them as friends?

Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 9:30pm:

As a gay male I've had few problems making friends with women. That is apart from religious homophobic females and who wants them as friends?

Very heterophobic, Oscar.


We all must like and approve of inverts. Lest they disapprove  of us.
And disapproval by inverts is social death, isn't it, in these diverse, tolerant and multifaceted times?   

I've been friends with many women. Just friends.

Women are really nice people.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 10:29pm:

I've been friends with many women. Just friends. Women are really nice people.

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Frank wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 9:55pm:

[quote author=Ayn_Marx link=1232526436/70#70 date=1670326201]As a gay male I've had few problems making friends with women. That is apart from religious homophobic females and who wants them as friends?

Very heterophobic, Oscar.


We all must like and approve of inverts. Lest they disapprove  of us.
And disapproval by inverts is social death, isn't it, in these diverse, tolerant and multifaceted times?   
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I've never understood why so many 'normal' men are obsessed with this topic. How  you managed to get 'very heterophobic' out of what I wrote is a mystery.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 10:29pm:

I've been friends with many women. Just friends. Women are really nice people.

You obviously never met my first wife.

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 20^th, 2022 at 7:06am:

Yes, men and woman can be friends without even thinking about porking. Why not?  Do blokes ever think about slipping one to any of their male friends? Probably not, statistically.   Similar thing.  There's no particular connection between sex and a platonic friendship.

Quote:

Similar thing.

No.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 8:59pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 6th, 2022 at 10:29pm: I've been friends with many women. Just friends. Women are really nice people. You obviously never met my first wife.

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