Somewhere abu claimed that allah can not procreate.

Is it true?

Are you serious Tallo?

Who cares if imaginary friends can have imaginary sex, and produce imaginary offspring.

The only relevance is in regard to the Islamic belief of their being only "One" true, imaginary friend, unlike the christian trinity, which has the imaginary, father, the imaginary son, and the imaginary holy ghost, hence the big deal about being only one, with no relatives.

I thought Allah was a God - doesn't he just help others to procreate?

Procreation is the necessary act of limited beings, who need to carry on their generations by reproducing.

Why would the creator and sustainer of all existence, need to procreate?

The important theological question is not about necessity but about ability.
If the allah is impotent and facts this far point that way it means that the claim about it's power is exaggerated. Of course there is a possibility that it can but does not want but that then contradicts the claim about its all-willingness.

So which one is it ... unwillingness or disability?

ROTFLMAO

Lol Abu obviously means SEX... the Muslim hypocrisy and hangup.

If we look at the VIRGIN birth then we accept that God did not have SEX with Mary.  Surely the creator of all, can create a single life without having to have sex.

Moz... NOT ALL Christians believe in the Trinity...  it aint a defining Christian belief.  Catholic yes and others who believe it have slightly different versions of it. For example some use it to describe different aspects of the One God...  as opposed to 3 Gods.

Is Allah impotent....  obviously not.  Even if He doesn't exist, obviously the idea of Allah and the doctrine of Mohammed, is potent.  It has over a billion followers.

Now why y'all go an' ask a damn foolish that like that fo? Why course is that ole Alla,  he impotent. Why he vey impotent... He juss about the most impotent thang in the whole Alla-damn universe is all.

Aaand....

He impotent in the mornin', he impotent in tha eevnin.... yeh Lord... he impotent wen de devil out lookin' fo' souls... everybody now... clap yo hands an' sing alaong...

Silly question. Abu's answer is correct.

(Almost said 'Abu's nailed it')

Soren wrote on Feb 11^th, 2009 at 3:05pm:

Silly question. Abu's answer is correct. (Almost said 'Abu's nailed it')

Doesn't it imply that the allah is not allwilling?

Mr. Rotflmao,


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ROTFLMAO Lol Abu obviously means SEX... the Muslim hypocrisy and hangup. If we look at the VIRGIN birth then we accept that God did not have SEX with Mary.  Surely the creator of all, can create a single life without having to have sex.

Creation and procreation are not the same thing. Think you'd better consult a dictionary, you might also find procreation pretty much means "sexual reproduction" (except in the cases of bacteria and some other tiny little organisms).

Tallow,


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Doesn't it imply that the allah is not allwilling?

Greater minds than yours have posed much more complex "problems" than this throughout the history of religion, regarding the "abilities" of an omni-potent creator. Your question is feeble, and easily answered.

The question usually should be a trap though, for instance "Can God create a rock too heavy for him to lift" impotent if he can, impotent if he can't. Your question didn't contain such a trap, which would tend to indicate you don't even fully fathom what it is you're attempting to propose with this thread  :)

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 12^th, 2009 at 5:18am:

... The question usually should be a trap though, for instance "Can God create a rock too heavy for him to lift" impotent if he can, impotent if he can't. Your question didn't contain such a trap, which would tend to indicate you don't even fully fathom what it is you're attempting to propose with this thread  :)

My question does not have a trap, it is simple and easy to answer according to abu yet no abu nor combined mind of over billion muslims did not produce the answer this far, all they come up with - deleting posts, banning opponents, suicide bombings, etc.  That tells something about the size and qualityof muslim mind.  :)

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Creation and procreation are not the same thing. Think you'd better consult a dictionary, you might also find procreation pretty much means "sexual reproduction" (except in the cases of bacteria and some other tiny little organisms).

Another Abuism; smokescreen, lie, dishonesty.... etc

Gee you think Abu....  that was my point.  You are such a goose.  God the Creator doesn't have to have sex to create life dhimmiwit...  now run along and educate your fellow Muslims.  Good grief how many times does someone have to make the same point.

I love your arrogance Grendel, in pointing out your intimate knowledge of the work practices of your designated divine being.

It is almost sweet, with it's child like naivety, like a five year old, explaining to a three year old, how santa operates.

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Think you'd better consult a dictionary, you might also find procreation pretty much means "sexual reproduction" (except in the cases of bacteria and some other tiny little organisms).

Plenty of large organisms reproduce asexually.


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Greater minds than yours have posed much more complex "problems" than this throughout the history of religion, regarding the "abilities" of an omni-potent creator. Your question is feeble, and easily answered.

KInd of ironic that you don't answer it then.

Let's assume that both God of Christians and the deity of muslims are omnipotent as opposite to impotent we can see major difference between them.
God of Christians  was willing to procreate to save the humanity while the deity of muslims according to abu decided that it is above such tusk.

Actually in the case of God we don't even need to assume the potency as it is self evident from the fact of procreation.

As we can see in the comparison the allah comes well behind.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 11^th, 2009 at 6:51am:

Procreation is the necessary act of limited beings, who need to carry on their generations by reproducing. Why would the creator and sustainer of all existence, need to procreate?

This is right.

And there is nothing particularly muslim about the answer and it should not be treated as suspect just because it is uttered by a muslim. We are not talking about Zeus. God (Allah in Arabic) is the Old Testament God. And the New Testament God, not an antropomorphic god of the Pantheon.

This is an argument not worth having. Can Allah lift an unmovable object? D'oh. Just because something can be put into words does not mean it makes sense. It is like a spherical traingle.i

Piss off Mozz...  pretty much everybody know that.

I'm surprised you didn't or were you just having another reflexive dig?

Soren...  don't get sucked into the diversion.  ::)

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2009 at 7:48pm:

Soren...  don't get sucked into the diversion.  ::)

You can easily pull islam up for dozens of issues of actual consequence. This ain't one of them.
And Abu's answer is reasonable. The rest is bear baiting.

You missed the point and I'm not doing what you seem to keep saying.

Oh dear...  blinkers and skimming will do that.

His point was about the Christian belief of Christ being the son of god and of procreation being "beneath' a diety....   hence Christianity is based on a lie.  Now whether you are an athiest or not, the point is...  he is ignorant of the facts surrounding the belief.  yet you say he is correct.  Uh uh, oh no so sorry he is ignorant of the facts about the belief even though he keeps citing Catholicism as if it is Christianity in toto...  they make a point of the VIRGIN BIRTH>  hence no procreation involved.  MY point was that a GOD of CREATION has no need for SEX to create life, SEX etc is something he and his faith use as a point to dismiss Christianity.  IT IS A FALSE ARGUMENT, a strawman , a lie etc, etc, etc and as such he is incorrect.

Do you get it yet?

That is the point I've been arguing.  Nothing particularly anti-Islamic in that BTW. ::)

Thanks Grendel, I always wondered how Santa got to every house in one night. ;)

Soren wrote on Feb 13^th, 2009 at 9:16pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2009 at 7:48pm: Soren...  don't get sucked into the diversion.  ::) You can easily pull islam up for dozens of issues of actual consequence. This ain't one of them. And Abu's answer is reasonable. The rest is bear baiting.

His answer implies that allah is not all-willing,  which contradicts the concept of God's all-willingness and that means that his answer is not reasonable.

mozzaok wrote on Feb 13^th, 2009 at 11:24pm:

Thanks Grendel, I always wondered how Santa got to every house in one night. ;)

It appears that Santa is more potent then alla OR/AND he is more willing to bring happiness to children then allah  ;)

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2009 at 10:12pm:

You missed the point and I'm not doing what you seem to keep saying. Oh dear...  blinkers and skimming will do that. His point was about the Christian belief of Christ being the son of god and of procreation being "beneath' a diety....   hence Christianity is based on a lie.  Now whether you are an athiest or not, the point is...  he is ignorant of the facts surrounding the belief.  yet you say he is correct.  Uh uh, oh no so sorry he is ignorant of the facts about the belief even though he keeps citing Catholicism as if it is Christianity in toto...  they make a point of the VIRGIN BIRTH>  hence no procreation involved.  MY point was that a GOD of CREATION has no need for SEX to create life, SEX etc is something he and his faith use as a point to dismiss Christianity.  IT IS A FALSE ARGUMENT, a strawman , a lie etc, etc, etc and as such he is incorrect. Do you get it yet? That is the point I've been arguing.  Nothing particularly anti-Islamic in that BTW. ::)

I didn't see Abu making that point on this particular thread, only the two-liner at the opening about Allah.

The Christ as procreated-through-sex-son-of-god argument, if proposed anywhere, is a stupid one from a grown up, quite possibly brought up with the full knowledge of the idiocy of the argument. The issue is really only worth discussing with intelligent children. A gown up with hangups about god AND sex is past human help.

From which thread are we diverted to this one? There seems to be an increased number of new threads that are in fact branching off from older ones.

This is the original and independent thread about potency or otherwise of the arab deity called allah and has nothing to do with any other religion.