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Title: An eye for an eye Post by freediver on Feb 21st, 2009 at 10:36pm
What is it with Muslims and throwing acid in womens faces?
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/02/19/acid.attack.victim/index.html Woman blinded by acid wants same fate for attacker TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Ameneh Bahrami is certain that one day she'll meet someone, fall in love and get married. But when her wedding day comes, her husband won't see her eyes, and she won't see her husband. Bahrami is blind, the victim of an acid attack by a spurned suitor. If she gets her way, her attacker will suffer the same fate. The 31-year-old Iranian is demanding the ancient punishment of "an eye for an eye," and, in accordance with Islamic law, she wants to blind Majid Movahedi, the man who blinded her. "I don't want to blind him for revenge," Bahrami said in her parents' Tehran apartment. "I'm doing this to prevent it from happening to someone else." Bahrami says she first crossed paths with Movahedi in 2002, when they attended the same university. She was a 24-year-old electronics student. He was 19. She never noticed him until they shared a class. He sat next to her one day and brushed up against her. Bahrami says she knew it wasn't an accident. "I moved away from him," she said, "but he brushed up against me again." When Bahrami stood up in class and screamed for him to stop, Movahedi just looked at her in stunned silence. He wouldn't stay silent for long. Bahrami said that over the next two years, Movahedi kept harassing her and making threats, even as he asked her to marry him. "He told me he would kill me. He said, 'You have to say yes.' " On a November afternoon in 2004, Movahedi's threats turned to violence. That day at 4:30 p.m., Bahrami left the medical engineering company where she worked. As she walked to the bus stop, she remembers sensing someone behind her. She turned around and was startled to see Movahedi. A moment later came the agonizing pain. Movahedi had thrown something over her. What felt like fire on her face was acid searing through her skin. "I was just yelling, 'I'm burning! I'm burning! For God's sake, somebody help me!' " The acid seeped into Bahrami's eyes and streamed down her face and into her mouth. When she covered her face with her hands, streaks of acid ran down her fingers and onto her forearms. Two weeks after the attack, Movahedi turned himself in to police and confessed in court. He was convicted in 2005 and has been behind bars all along. Bahrami's lawyer, Ali Sarrafi, said Movahedi had never shown any remorse. "He says he did it because he loved her," Sarrafi said. Attack victims in Iran usually accept "blood money": a fine in lieu of harsh punishment. With no insurance and mounting medical bills, Bahrami could've used the cash, but she said no. "I told the judge I want an eye for an eye," Bahrami said. "People like him should be made to feel my suffering." Bahrami's demand has outraged some human rights activists. Criticizing acid-attack victims is almost unheard of, but some Internet bloggers have condemned Bahrami's decision. "We cannot condone such cruel punishment," wrote one blogger. "To willingly inflict the same treatment on a person under court order is a violation of human rights." Late last year, an Iranian court gave Bahrami what she asked for. It sentenced Movahedi to be blinded with drops of acid in each eye. This month, the courts rejected Movahedi's appeal. Bahrami's lawyer, Sarrafi, said the sentencing might be carried out in a matter of weeks. He said he doesn't think Bahrami will change her mind. Neither does Bahrami. "If I don't do this and there is another acid attack, I will never forgive myself for as long as I live," she said. Bahrami is largely self-sufficient despite not being able to see. She can make a salad, prepare tea and walk up the five flights of stairs that lead to her parents' apartment. She has undergone more than a dozen surgeries on her badly scarred face, but she says there are many more to come. She can't afford to pay for her medical care, so she's using the Internet to raise money. She's lost her big brown eyes, but she likes to smile, especially when she imagines her wedding day. "I always see myself as someone who can see and sometimes see myself in a beautiful wedding gown, and why not?" |
Title: Re: An eye for an eye Post by Jim Profit on Feb 22nd, 2009 at 10:54am Quote:
Even Judge Dredd knew what apparently some don't. The purpose of law enforcement and the courts is not to do to the criminals what they did to their victims, but to merely punish them and make them pay compensation for their crimes. Disfigurement is an abitary attack, and effects people differently. Should he be punished for the gross assault? Sure.. if we can prove the attack was unprovoked (IE: She was not instigating or threatening him) he should be fined or even flogged. (I don't believe in prisons) But otherwise this is just a troubled woman acting on emotion, not rationality. The justice system has to be rational when individuals can't. I want to hear his side of the story before I decided what his punishment should be. |
Title: Re: An eye for an eye Post by Yadda on Feb 23rd, 2009 at 2:29pm freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2009 at 10:36pm:
FD, It is a way of generating fear ['respect'] within the ummah, for the mores' of ISLAM. This is yet another form of terror - use against individuals. From the Hadith..... ".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies): spoils have been made lawful to me:" http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/004.smt.html#004.1062 "I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.220 An ISLAMIC cleric tells the truth, about the use of terror [the sword]..... Question: Was Islam spread by the sword? Answer: Praise be to Allaah. .....Allaah sent him – meaning the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) – with the guiding Book and the conquering sword, ahead of the Hour, so that Allaah alone would be worshipped with no partner or associate, and his provision was placed beneath the shade of his sword and spear. Allaah has established the religion of Islam with proof and evidence, and with the sword and spear, both together and inseparable. This is some of the evidence from the Qur’aan and Sunnah. The evidence clearly indicates that the sword is one of the most important means that led to the spread of Islam. .....If Islam was only spread by peaceful means, what would the kuffaar have to be afraid of? Of mere words spoken on the tongue? http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/43087 Acid in the face of young muslim women? It sends a 'message'. Cover up! Respect ISLAM ....OR ELSE! In the story above, another muslim male, demanding 'respect' from a[n imagined] 'subservient' female, being rebuffed, and the assertive female suffering 'just' punishment / retribution? |
Title: Re: An eye for an eye Post by sprintcyclist on Feb 23rd, 2009 at 3:33pm It's a fair request from her. The law will rightly not allow it, but I agree with her in some ways. |
Title: Re: An eye for an eye Post by Yadda on Feb 24th, 2009 at 8:17am Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 23rd, 2009 at 3:33pm:
Putting aside the aspect of revenge.... Is the punishment which this woman is seeking [against the evil doer] just? "I don't want to blind him for revenge," Bahrami said in her parents' Tehran apartment. "I'm doing this to prevent it from happening to someone else." I think that this woman, Bahrami, understands that such a punishment, would send a 'message' to such perpetrators [acid throwers]. i.e. 'If you think such retribution [the punishment] is harsh, then don't commit such crimes.' Isn't such a principle, what a justice system should be about? Shouldn't a justice system seek to protect the innocent, from the intent of [potential] evil doers? |
Title: Re: An eye for an eye Post by tallowood on Feb 24th, 2009 at 8:21am
I wonder if it is possible to take his eyes out and to transplant them to his victim? That would be just humane.
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Title: Re: An eye for an eye Post by sprintcyclist on Feb 24th, 2009 at 8:26am Tallow - yes, even just one. She would now have some sight, as would he. |
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