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February 22, 2009
Canada: Non-Muslim's human rights complaint against the Qur'an dismissed
"......VANCOUVER, B.C. — A B.C. man who filed a human rights complaint after buying a copy of the Koran at a Chapters bookstore has had that complaint dismissed.

John Simpson alleged certain verses of the Koran discriminate against people of Christian and Jewish faith and filed his complaint against Indigo Books & Music Inc. (TSX:IDG), the store's parent company.

.....But B.C. Human Rights Tribunal member Barbara Humphreys says Simpson didn't explain how the Koran, the central religious text of Islam that has existed for more than 1,300 years, had a negative impact on him.

Humphreys dismissed the case after ruling that Simpson's complaint would not further the purposes of the Human Rights Code."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024973.php
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5iiydZDz_34_04D3pWGfqYqpyUKBA


N.B.
A lot of clear Koran quotes, supporting the 'human rights complaint', are cited on the accompanying jihadwatch page above.





TRUTH is supposedly our great hope, to defend our rights and freedoms, in our struggle against ISLAMIC lies, and supremacism.

Sadly, in this instance, as so often previously seen, it would seem that TRUTH was dismissed as irrelevant, by another 'watchdog' of our rights and freedoms?






FD,

Truth is our great hope?


freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2009 at 6:35pm:

Quote: Getting back to the rule of law, democracy, and empowering muslims so that they can use [our own hard won, but not by us!] rights and freedoms, to destroy our culture, and replace it with a form of fascism. Maintaining a basis of 'fair play', and affording our muslim brothers a 'level playing ground' in their 'contest' with us, how do we effectively confront their 'philosophy', and preserve our own rights and freedoms? With the truth. Just like you keep saying. But not by denying them freedom or democracy.

New Q.

How can we get our community leaders, and those in authority, to respect what TRUTH is, and the significance of TRUTH, in our struggle?

FD,

[I agree with you that TRUTH is a good weapon against falsehood, and lies, BUT....]

What use is TRUTH, if such people [above] don't even recognise what TRUTH is????

What use is TRUTH, if we as a people, hate TRUTH?

Take care o ye dwellers of glass houses.

Your Bible contains far worse passages about others, many of which I've posted in various threads. If the Qur'an should be banned, the Bible shoulda been banned long before it.

Funny you rarely apply the same standards to yourselves, only for Muslims apparently.

Are there derogatory comments about muslims in The Bible? No.
Are there derogatory comments about Christians in the koran? Yes

That makes islam the glass house yet muslims keep throwing rocks. How clever is that.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 24^th, 2009 at 6:18am:

Take care o ye dwellers of glass houses. Your Bible contains far worse passages about others, many of which I've posted in various threads. If the Qur'an should be banned, the Bible shoulda been banned long before it. Funny you rarely apply the same standards to yourselves, only for Muslims apparently.

abu,

I know exactly what you mean!

The hypocrisy of some, is outrageous!



“Muslims are the vilest of animals…”

“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”

“How perverse are Muslims!”

“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”

“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”

“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”

Source.....
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Articles/Quran_Hate.htm

Tallow,

Muslims are "goyim" according to the Bible, and if you read what God commands to do with goyim in the Bible, you'll find it's much more severe than anything found in the Qur'an. Murdering young and old, children, maidenss etc. is allowed if they're goyim.

goyim....  that's a Jewish term....
I don't recall reading the term "goyim" in either testaments.

Oh and considering that the Muslims religion, islam,  didn't come about till a long time after the OT and the NT one wonders just where you come off making such a lucirous statement.

Oh and since the "goyim" are all non-Jews that would include the rest of us too eh, that makes it obsessively paranoid too.

abu, where does The Bible say that muslims are goyim?

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 24^th, 2009 at 8:08am:

Tallow, Muslims are "goyim" according to the Bible, and if you read what God commands to do with goyim in the Bible, you'll find it's much more severe than anything found in the Qur'an. Murdering young and old, children, maidenss etc. is allowed if they're goyim.

abu,

Regarding what the OT says, 'to do with goyim', i direct you to this post on Oz Pol....



"Advice to God's people within the Old and New Testament scripture,
.....THE TREATMENT OF STRANGERS.


Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.


Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.


Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

etc, etc, etc..."



"Are muslims God's people?"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226445495/0#0

Quote:

I don't recall reading the term "goyim" in either testaments.

That's about as disingenious as a Muslim only reading English translations of the Qur'an and saying "I didn't see the word Kafir, only disbeliever"  ;D

The word "goy" appears a whopping 558 times in the Bible...


Quote:

Oh and since the "goyim" are all non-Jews that would include the rest of us too eh, that makes it obsessively paranoid too.

That's right, it includes everyone except the "chosen race", making the Bible an even more ethno-supremacist manual. That goes against you, not in your favour.

I'm sorry...  but goy or goyim doesn't appear ONCE in any bible I've read...

You want to be more specific about a term and its meanings oh pedantic one...  and stop speaking to us in a foreign language.

It is in my understanding in a specific context to mean all non-Jews.  It could mean not of the Jewish faith or the jewish nation and I hear it could even mean cow.  It isn't Gentile which directly refers to all non-jews.  Pick a meaning Aboo....  I hear there is at least 5 contemporary everyday meanings.

Having now completely destroyed your previous rant...  what was your point?

Koran does mention christians and jews. But where is any mention of muslims as goyim in The Bible?

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 24^th, 2009 at 9:09am:

Quote: I don't recall reading the term "goyim" in either testaments. That's about as disingenious as a Muslim only reading English translations of the Qur'an and saying "I didn't see the word Kafir, only disbeliever"  ;D The word "goy" appears a whopping 558 times in the Bible...

abu,

I use the KJV.

I did a search for the word "goy".

Not one single hit.



Talking about searching scripture.....

Q.
How many times is the word "Jerusalem", and the word "love" found in the Koran?


A.
"Jerusalem" - not at all.

"love" - not at all.iQuote:

[quote]Oh and since the "goyim" are all non-Jews that would include the rest of us too eh, that makes it obsessively paranoid too.

That's right, it includes everyone except the "chosen race", making the Bible an even more ethno-supremacist manual. That goes against you, not in your favour.[/quote]





Genesis 12:1
Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2  And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3  And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.


Genesis 18:17
And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;
18  Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
19  For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.


Genesis 22:15
And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,
16  And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
17  That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
18  And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.


Genesis 28:10
And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran.
11  And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep.
12  And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.
13  And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;
14  And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.
15  And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of.
16  And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely the LORD is in this place; and I knew it not.



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The Koran declares,

• all Christians [non-muslims] are accursed of Allah.
  
• all Christians are the enemy of Allah,
  
• that Jesus was not God's son,
  
• that Jesus was not crucified [muslims claim that Judas, or another person, was Jesus 'stand in' at the crucifixion],
  
• that Jesus DID NOT DIE, and was not resurrected...
  
• that Jesus is not the messiah, the redeemer [of all mankind]...
  

Koran.....

"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and......Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.171

"To Him [Allah] is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort?....."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/006.qmt.html#006.101

".....Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!"
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.030

"He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: no son has He begotten, nor has He a partner in His dominion......"
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/025.qmt.html#025.002

" "Allah has begotten children"? but they are liars! "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/037.qmt.html#037.152

see also,
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/039.qmt.html#039.004
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/072.qmt.html#072.003

Quote:

I'm sorry...  but goy or goyim doesn't appear ONCE in any bible I've read...

I really can't believe you're that dense.

You're reading a translation mate, do you think the Bible was written in King James English??  ;D


Quote:

You want to be more specific about a term and its meanings oh pedantic one...

The term goy is translated variously as "gentiles", "nations", "heathens" and "people". It also carries the meaning of "animals" or "swarm of locusts".

Either way, the original language is what we examine when looking at a text, not the nice fuzzy wuzzy translations.


Quote:

and stop speaking to us in a foreign language.

Hebrew is the language of the vast majority of the Bible, come to grips with it mate. Not King James English.


Quote:

Pick a meaning Aboo....  I hear there is at least 5 contemporary everyday meanings.

The 5 contemporary everyday meanings are irrelevant. We're talking about the Bible, and that means referring to it's original text, and the original context in which it was used.


Quote:

Having now completely destroyed your previous rant...  what was your point?

The only thing you're destroying is your own credibility, well what little you had, as someone with even a spattering of intellect.

So abu if you know The Bible as well as you claim point out where is any mention of muslims as goyim in The Bible?

Tallow,


Quote:

Koran does mention christians and jews. But where is any mention of muslims as goyim in The Bible?

Goyim means all non-Jews. The Qur'an likewise doesn't mention Sikhs, Bahais, Jains or Hindus... and?

The Bible mentions many of the other religions that existed in it's time and refers to them as abominations.

Yadda,


Quote:

I use the KJV. I did a search for the word "goy".

Did you try searching the Bible in it's original languages? do you even have access to it in it's original languages? Probably not. I did a search and found it 558 times.


Quote:

How many times is the word "Jerusalem"

Since when did mention of the name Jerusalem become a pre-requisite for a religion?


Quote:

"love" - not at all.

I just did a search in the Yusuf Ali translation and turned up 93 times. You're either not very thorough, or you're an outright liar.

Not that I think such petty comparisons really prove much, but I compared the number of words in the Bible (about 774,000) with the number in the Qur'an (about 80,000), and then did a search for the word love in the Bible, it came up 311 times. Almost 10 times more words, yet only about 3 times more occurences?? That's not a whole lotta lovin' is it?  ;D

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 24^th, 2009 at 10:01am:

Tallow, Quote: Koran does mention christians and jews. But where is any mention of muslims as goyim in The Bible? Goyim means all non-Jews. ...

So where The Bible states specifically that muslims are goyims?
Nowhere, right?

I really can't believe I'm wasting my time with such juvenile idiots.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 24^th, 2009 at 10:14am:

I really can't believe I'm wasting my time with such juvenile idiots.

So now you are saying that muslims are juvenile idiots because Jews are not.  :o

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 24^th, 2009 at 10:01am:

Yadda, Quote: "love" - not at all. I just did a search in the Yusuf Ali translation and turned up 93 times. You're either not very thorough, or you're an outright liar.

abu,

I apologise.

You are correct.

I was wrong.





I think i must have been thinking of another word, which was pointed out to me, does not occur in the Koran.

But that word is not 'love'.

The only idiot being juvenile around here is you Abu...

First you make some dumb claim... then when pointed out you try to deflect... then you disagree by agreeing.  ROTFLMAO  :D

You used the term.
Should I now point out that Bible is not what the Bible was called in the original language?

You keep diggin that hole Abu sooner than later you'll be back in the ME where you belong.  ;D

Personally I reckon you read an article that said it appeared in a specific version of the Bible 558 times.

Which is neither here nor there now is it.  Since everyone not a Jew is goyim.

.


Psalms 7:14
Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.
15  He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.


;)

Yadda wrote on Feb 24^th, 2009 at 11:41am:

. Psalms 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15  He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. ;)

And lo! he keepeth digging.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 24^th, 2009 at 6:18am:

Take care o ye dwellers of glass houses. Your Bible contains far worse passages about others, many of which I've posted in various threads. If the Qur'an should be banned, the Bible shoulda been banned long before it. Funny you rarely apply the same standards to yourselves, only for Muslims apparently.

Of course. It's older. Pity it didn't set a precedent.