Pretty bad when the bikies call someone "Out of control" and radical !!!!!!!
Entirely correct though.



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..........He was returning from an anniversary party in Melbourne with a fellow Hells Angel and his brother when they were "set upon" by members of the rival club, the source said. In the ensuing violence, the 29-year-old brother - who was not a Hells Angel member - was killed after he was bashed repeatedly on the head with a metal bollard. "It was a social thing, an anniversary in Melbourne ... it may have been a membership anniversary for one of the [Hells Angels] members in Melbourne," the source said. The incident bolstered opinion in the bikie community that the Comanchero and Notorious were "rogue groups" that were not viewed as genuine outlaw motorcycle groups, he said. "They are out of control. They have a very strong Lebanese presence. They have a very strong leaning towards a much more radical approach," he said. This "radical approach" was upsetting other clubs as the Government considers tougher legislation against bikie clubs that would allow them to be declared outlaw organisations.........

http://www.theage.com.au/national/behind-sydneys-bikie-bloodshed-two-gangs-out-of-control-20090323-96kg.html?page=1

Showed you how crap airport security was.

I'm sure AQ took notice of this.

The Domestic terminal, at least where the passengers are, the distance between terminal 1 and terminal 3 is like a 1 minute run. Even if all 14 Feds were on the other side in either terminal 1 or 3, it should have only taken a hot minute for them to run over there.

There are rumours in the media of Feds just watching the melee.

I was always under the impression that bikies were solid, rough, bearded caucasians, but all these new bikie gangs are from the Auburn and Punchbowl area and they don't ride bikes or wear their gang insignia.

A huge number of police have been taken off other duties to work with the bikie gang police - which means that police numbers will be scarce in other essential areas.

Why do they call themselves bikies - if they don't ride bikes?  Listening to an eye witness today, an elderly man described the scene yesterday at Sydney airport as the worst violence he had seen in his life.  He said that a group of them walked confidently in - knocking people out of the way no matter what their age, and then just killed this other bloke within a few minutes.  They didn't care who saw them or who got in the way. They didn't run, but walked away and got into taxis.

Footage of one of the men arrested looked as though he was from the ME, but he was covered in tattoos?  Very strange - a tattooed Lebanese who's a bikie, but doesn't ride a bike.  

Oh you're quick on the draw Mantra.
I was going to ask if you think it's the Australian muslim Lebanese, or the Australian Christian Lebanese we should be concerned about?

..and what nationality do you think the taxi drivers were?

mantra wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2009 at 3:19pm:

I was always under the impression that bikies were solid, rough, bearded caucasians, but all these new bikie gangs are from the Auburn and Punchbowl area and they don't ride bikes or wear their gang insignia.

Once upon a time, but no longer. The Muslims are throughout the bikie gangs. Especially the Rebels.


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A huge number of police have been taken off other duties to work with the bikie gang police - which means that police numbers will be scarce in other essential areas.

They are already scarce everwhere. Police are only deployed in numbers for minor traffic matters. Everything else they are just a 'clean up' crew, going to things long after the event has occurred.


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Why do they call themselves bikies - if they don't ride bikes?

How do you know they don't ride bikes?

Calanen wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2009 at 5:22pm:

How do you know they don't ride bikes?

Scipione was talking about it this morning.  Many of the "bikies" drive hotted up cars now and don't wear jackets to indicate what gang they belong to.  

Those at the airport yesterday who killed one of the Hells Angels - were members of the Bandidos bikie gang.

This all happened in a space of minutes and even the security guards close by didn't get there until it was over, so the police hadn't a hope of getting there to stop it. Some who witnessed this brawl believe that if the police had been there, it could have been a lot worse.

'Chance encounter' sparked deadly brawl between bikies at Sydney Airport

By Stephanie Gardiner

AAP

March 23, 2009 07:24pm

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Brutal brawl ... police examine the scene of a bashing death at Sydney Airport. Picture: The Daily Telegraph.

A DEADLY brawl between bikies that rolled through a domestic terminal at Sydney Airport was unplanned, sparked by the chance encounter of rival members on a flight from Melbourne, a court has been told.

Anthony Zervas, 29, was yesterday bludgeoned to death at Qantas's T3 terminal in a brawl involving members of the Hells Angels and Comancheros bikie gangs. [No Bandidos]

Four men accused of being involved faced Sydney's Central Local Court today.

Ismail Erden, 26, of Kingsford, Maher Aouli, 28, of Casula, Pomare Pirini, 21, of Georges Hall, and Zoran Kisacanin, 22, of Ingleburn, have each been charged with one count of affray.

Police facts tendered to the court said the brawl broke out just after 1.30pm (AEDT) when a Qantas flight carrying senior members of both gangs landed in Sydney.

Pirini and Erden, who told police he is a Comancheros member, were on the flight but police do not know whether Aouli and Kisacanin were also passengers.
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The barrister for all four men, John Korn, told the court the accused were confronted at an airport exit by other men armed with knives and knuckledusters.

"They were very much the attackees," Mr Korn said.

The brawl was not planned but was rather a "chance meeting," the barrister said.

According to the police facts, passengers on the plane saw a group of six heavily tattooed men sitting in an "agitated state" and using their mobile phones throughout the flight.

While passengers were making their way through the terminal, staff heard the group shouting and yelling.

A separate group of six to 10 men of Middle Eastern appearance arrived at T3 and asked staff for directions to arrival gate five, the facts stated.

It is alleged two of the men from that group stayed outside the gate, where the brawl broke out.

Witnesses allegedly heard one man yell out: "I'm going to kill you, you c---, I am going to kill you."

The brawl then sprawled out through the airport terminal, where the men broke into smaller groups.

Onlookers told police they saw two men kicking and punching Mr Zervas, who was on the ground.

One of the men allegedly hit him over the head with a metal pole using "significant force", before witnesses heard a "crunching sound".

Members of the public and Mr Zervas' brother Peter, who was wearing a Hells Angels singlet, attempted to revive him while men involved in the brawl fled.

Aouli, Erden, Kisacanin and Pirini were stopped by police in Brighton Le Sands in a taxi they had taken from the airport.

Police are yet to view CCTV footage of the incident, the court was told.

Kisacanin was the only one of the four to apply for bail but it was refused by Magistrate Allan Moore due to the seriousness of the matter.

The case will resume on Wednesday in the same court.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25227169-1242,00.html

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Scipione was talking about it this morning.  Many of the "bikies" drive hotted up cars now and don't wear jackets to indicate what gang they belong to.

Scipione's a dill. They can't wear their jackets or colours when they are not riding bikes. Just because they have cars (and Bikies have always had cars, I remember a bikie back in the early 90s having a Range Rover and driving the kids to school in it) - doesnt mean they have abandoned bikes. Also, their are loads of hangers on in bikie gangs that don't wear colours and are called 'nominees', who do the dirty work to become gang members.  

Was this poo fight about differences in religious dogma or about drug dealing patches?

tallowood wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2009 at 8:06pm:

Was this poo fight about differences in religious dogma or about drug dealing patches?

Complex disagreements over a lot of things. Religion is not one of them though, afaik.

Manhunt underway


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Late yesterday afternoon, police raided the home of the president of the Comanchero motorcycle club, Mahmoud 'Mick' Hawi. He is wanted for questioning over a fatal brawl at Sydney Airport on March 2, when 29-year-old Hell's Angels associate Anthony Zervas was beaten to death. Five Comanchero members have been arrested over the brawl. Mr Hawi and his family were not at home when police executed the search warrant on the two-storey house at Bexley in Sydney's South, staying for several hours. ... Fairfax newspapers say Anthony Zervas was targeted in the brawl at Sydney Airport because last year he took a shotgun to a peace meeting between the two clubs. Several days ago his brother, Peter, a member of the Hell's Angels, was shot in south-west Sydney. ... Also yesterday, a lawyer believed to work for members of the Hell's Angels City Crew was found dead at his home in the Sydney suburb of Randwick. The man is believed to have died of gunshot wounds but police say there are no suspicious circumstances and they are preparing a report for the coroner.

no suspicious circumstances? :o

not suspicious ???????

might have been suicide ?

see the leader of the commancheroes is not around.
Might have been quite a few bikies disappeared

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Also yesterday, a lawyer believed to work for members of the Hell's Angels City Crew was found dead at his home in the Sydney suburb of Randwick. The man is believed to have died of gunshot wounds but police say there are no suspicious circumstances and they are preparing a report for the coroner.

No, he killed himself. Apparently struggled with depression.

Incredible how the big tough crime boss Hawi disappeared a minute after he made the front page of the Telegraph.  If he's living in Sydney somewhere - the police should have found him by now, but he's probably done a deal with them and getting protection.  Or maybe he's gone back to Lebanon.  He would have dual citizenship and could live like a billionaire back there on his drug profits.

He surrendered today.

I'm not sure why you think the Police would find him. If he had killed a police officer they certainly would have, I think for any other situation they don't try very hard.

Our police are there for traffic offences, people they catch red handed, and those that confess. There is hardly any investigation, crime solving, follow-up or useful police work done..UNLESS its on the front page of the herald.

To get them to fingerprint a robbery site is usually met with 'Its not the movies mate!'.

I just read that he had "surrendered".  As far as investigation and crime solving - yes that has diminished dramatically and now the NSW force is going to be even more sparse as they waste precious resources guarding Rees,  Kelly & Co. on a perceived retribution threat.  


THE homes of Premier Nathan Rees and some of his senior ministers are under 24-hour armed police guard over fears of payback from outlaw bikie gangs.

Within hours of passing laws last Friday giving the courts the power to declare the gangs illegal, police orders were issued to assign extra officers to watch over Mr Rees and Police Minister Tony Kelly.

It is understood the same offer of protection was made to Attorney-General John Hatzistergos.

In-depth coverage: Inside the bikie violence

Police sources, claiming they were already stretched for numbers, have confirmed extra resources had been redeployed from the security management unit to monitor several politicians' homes around the clock.

"They are on static watch until further notice," one source said.

"It is based on a perceived threat, as far as we know."

The protection order came into force after the new anti-bikie legislation was officially passed by Parliament and signed into law by the Governor.

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Government sources said the level of protection was unprecedented for a Premier.

It could not be confirmed whether any direct threats had been made to the Premier or any of his ministers or whether it was a precautionary measure.

A spokesman for Mr Rees said the office would not comment on the additional security arrangements.

But The Daily Telegraph has confirmed at least four uniformed and armed special constables have been assigned to Mr Rees' home on a 24-hour rotating watch as of Friday night.

A marked police car was also seen making regular patrols of his street and neighbouring areas on Saturday morning, while two police officers were observed on the street along with a member of a private security firm.

Sources revealed Mr Kelly has also increased his security arrangements.

The extra security is in addition to the standard personal security measures.

Security sources expressed concern they had been forced to redeploy resources from elsewhere to cover the MPs, leaving "asset protection" on skeleton watch.

"This is a knee-jerk reaction," a senior source said.

"It's the public that are at real risk. We could have done with this extra security at the airport two weeks ago."

Where is Mad Max when NSW needs him?  ::)

It seems that not only NSW but ACT as well need Mad Max.


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Both the Prime Minister's office and Australian Federal Police have refused to comment on a reported security breach by bikies at The Lodge late last year. A group of four men with tattoos, ''dressed like bikies'' spent about an hour at The Lodge last year under the premise of performing maintenance work, according to a report on ABC TV. The report suggested that the men were unsupervised for some of their time at the Prime Minister's residence. It is not clear whether any maintenance work was requested or performed. The Canberra Times understands police and the Prime Minister's office will focus on the accreditation process for gaining access to The Lodge. The Prime Minister's office refused to comment on whether a security review would take place in the wake of the report. The men were believed to be carrying documentation from the Prime Minister's office clearing them to enter the high-security area. There is no indication of whether any members of the Rudd family were residing at The Lodge at the time of the incident. Spokeswomen for both the Prime Minister's office and AFP said neither would comment on the security of the Prime Minister or his family. Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop said the issue raised serious concerns. It would need to be established very quickly whether or not the men had a legitimate purpose for being at The Lodge and, if not, what their motive was for being there, she said. ''Not only is The Lodge the home of the prime minister and his family but it also hosts many international leaders and guests at high levels around the world so it does have, potentially, international significance,'' she said.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/national/national/general/no-word-on-bikie-breach-at-lodge/1479082.aspx

rudds never there anyway

safe base charlie


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MILITARY facilities are in lockdown across southwest Sydney over fears bikie gangs may try to break in to weapons armouries.

May be they should lay a trap and whack the whackos who get into it? It would be a good practical urban operation exercise for infantry.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2009 at 3:03pm:

Pretty bad when the bikies call someone "Out of control" and radical !!!!!!! Entirely correct though. Quote: ..........He was returning from an anniversary party in Melbourne with a fellow Hells Angel and his brother when they were "set upon" by members of the rival club, the source said. In the ensuing violence, the 29-year-old brother - who was not a Hells Angel member - was killed after he was bashed repeatedly on the head with a metal bollard. "It was a social thing, an anniversary in Melbourne ... it may have been a membership anniversary for one of the [Hells Angels] members in Melbourne," the source said. The incident bolstered opinion in the bikie community that the Comanchero and Notorious were "rogue groups" that were not viewed as genuine outlaw motorcycle groups, he said. "They are out of control. They have a very strong Lebanese presence. They have a very strong leaning towards a much more radical approach," he said. This "radical approach" was upsetting other clubs as the Government considers tougher legislation against bikie clubs that would allow them to be declared outlaw organisations......... http://www.theage.com.au/national/behind-sydneys-bikie-bloodshed-two-gangs-out-of-control-20090323-96kg.html?page=1

Ah poor Anglos they even can't be successful criminals any more.
Bloody competition.

athos wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 1:11pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23rd, 2009 at 3:03pm: Pretty bad when the bikies call someone "Out of control" and radical !!!!!!! Entirely correct though. Quote: ..........He was returning from an anniversary party in Melbourne with a fellow Hells Angel and his brother when they were "set upon" by members of the rival club, the source said. In the ensuing violence, the 29-year-old brother - who was not a Hells Angel member - was killed after he was bashed repeatedly on the head with a metal bollard. "It was a social thing, an anniversary in Melbourne ... it may have been a membership anniversary for one of the [Hells Angels] members in Melbourne," the source said. The incident bolstered opinion in the bikie community that the Comanchero and Notorious were "rogue groups" that were not viewed as genuine outlaw motorcycle groups, he said. "They are out of control. They have a very strong Lebanese presence. They have a very strong leaning towards a much more radical approach," he said. This "radical approach" was upsetting other clubs as the Government considers tougher legislation against bikie clubs that would allow them to be declared outlaw organisations......... http://www.theage.com.au/national/behind-sydneys-bikie-bloodshed-two-gangs-out-of-control-20090323-96kg.html?page=1 Ah poor Anglos they can be even successful criminals any more. Bloody competition.

Actually Zervas sounds like a Greek not an English Surname. Muslims had Greeks bend over for quiet a while in where they all came from.

As for crime ... wogs were always more successful in it then anglos as you know mafia and lebos organised creams came from Mediterranean region.

tallowood wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 11:39am:

safe base charlie Quote: MILITARY facilities are in lockdown across southwest Sydney over fears bikie gangs may try to break in to weapons armouries. May be they should lay a trap and whack the whackos who get into it? It would be a good practical urban operation exercise for infantry.

That would require far more competence than any of our agencies have or could ever assemble.

Perhaps, expect the bikies to do something like break into a defence depot in Melbourne or Canberra now they have locked the Sydney ones down. As much as the bikies are bad however, invading an army base seems a bit over the top, even for them. Also, even if they do break in, we wont hear about it. They will issue security notices to prevent publication in the interest of 'national security.', which is wheeled out whenever anything embarassing happens. Its only when the press finds out before the govt does that the public knows.

With an invasion on an army base, the govt will find out first, and lock down the info with directions from the Attorney General on national security grounds. So we might find out about in 20 years or so, unless its leaked.

tallowood wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 3:01pm:

athos wrote on Apr 7th, 2009 at 1:11pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23rd, 2009 at 3:03pm: Pretty bad when the bikies call someone "Out of control" and radical !!!!!!! Entirely correct though. Quote: ..........He was returning from an anniversary party in Melbourne with a fellow Hells Angel and his brother when they were "set upon" by members of the rival club, the source said. In the ensuing violence, the 29-year-old brother - who was not a Hells Angel member - was killed after he was bashed repeatedly on the head with a metal bollard. "It was a social thing, an anniversary in Melbourne ... it may have been a membership anniversary for one of the [Hells Angels] members in Melbourne," the source said. The incident bolstered opinion in the bikie community that the Comanchero and Notorious were "rogue groups" that were not viewed as genuine outlaw motorcycle groups, he said. "They are out of control. They have a very strong Lebanese presence. They have a very strong leaning towards a much more radical approach," he said. This "radical approach" was upsetting other clubs as the Government considers tougher legislation against bikie clubs that would allow them to be declared outlaw organisations......... http://www.theage.com.au/national/behind-sydneys-bikie-bloodshed-two-gangs-out-of-control-20090323-96kg.html?page=1 Ah poor Anglos they can be even successful criminals any more. Bloody competition. Actually Zervas sounds like a Greek not an English Surname. Muslims had Greeks bend over for quiet a while in where they all came from. As for crime ... wogs were always more successful in it then anglos as you know mafia and lebos organised creams came from Mediterranean region.

That’s right wogs came here as convicts, you can’t disregard genetic predisposition.

Calanen wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 4:45pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 7th, 2009 at 11:39am: safe base charlie Quote: MILITARY facilities are in lockdown across southwest Sydney over fears bikie gangs may try to break in to weapons armouries. May be they should lay a trap and whack the whackos who get into it? It would be a good practical urban operation exercise for infantry. That would require far more competence than any of our agencies have or could ever assemble. Perhaps, expect the bikies to do something like break into a defence depot in Melbourne or Canberra now they have locked the Sydney ones down. As much as the bikies are bad however, invading an army base seems a bit over the top, even for them. Also, even if they do break in, we wont hear about it. They will issue security notices to prevent publication in the interest of 'national security.', which is wheeled out whenever anything embarassing happens. Its only when the press finds out before the govt does that the public knows. With an invasion on an army base, the govt will find out first, and lock down the info with directions from the Attorney General on national security grounds. So we might find out about in 20 years or so, unless its leaked.

There can be other indicators e.g. increase of usage of military hardware on Australian streets or decrease of bikies activities  depending who won.

athos wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 4:48pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 7th, 2009 at 3:01pm: athos wrote on Apr 7th, 2009 at 1:11pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23rd, 2009 at 3:03pm: Pretty bad when the bikies call someone "Out of control" and radical !!!!!!! Entirely correct though. Quote: ..........He was returning from an anniversary party in Melbourne with a fellow Hells Angel and his brother when they were "set upon" by members of the rival club, the source said. In the ensuing violence, the 29-year-old brother - who was not a Hells Angel member - was killed after he was bashed repeatedly on the head with a metal bollard. "It was a social thing, an anniversary in Melbourne ... it may have been a membership anniversary for one of the [Hells Angels] members in Melbourne," the source said. The incident bolstered opinion in the bikie community that the Comanchero and Notorious were "rogue groups" that were not viewed as genuine outlaw motorcycle groups, he said. "They are out of control. They have a very strong Lebanese presence. They have a very strong leaning towards a much more radical approach," he said. This "radical approach" was upsetting other clubs as the Government considers tougher legislation against bikie clubs that would allow them to be declared outlaw organisations......... http://www.theage.com.au/national/behind-sydneys-bikie-bloodshed-two-gangs-out-of-control-20090323-96kg.html?page=1 Ah poor Anglos they can be even successful criminals any more. Bloody competition. Actually Zervas sounds like a Greek not an English Surname. Muslims had Greeks bend over for quiet a while in where they all came from. As for crime ... wogs were always more successful in it then anglos as you know mafia and lebos organised creams came from Mediterranean region. That’s right wogs came here as convicts, you can’t disregard genetic predisposition.

What? All them nice wogs??? :o

tallowood wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 11:39am:

safe base charlie Quote: MILITARY facilities are in lockdown across southwest Sydney over fears bikie gangs may try to break in to weapons armouries. May be they should lay a trap and whack the whackos who get into it? It would be a good practical urban operation exercise for infantry.

Deeply, darkly ironic...and maybe deserved...  While we're all watching the Islamists, out of the dust at our backs, its others who really turned it on.

tallowood wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 4:53pm:

Calanen wrote on Apr 7th, 2009 at 4:45pm: tallowood wrote on Apr 7th, 2009 at 11:39am: safe base charlie Quote: MILITARY facilities are in lockdown across southwest Sydney over fears bikie gangs may try to break in to weapons armouries. May be they should lay a trap and whack the whackos who get into it? It would be a good practical urban operation exercise for infantry. That would require far more competence than any of our agencies have or could ever assemble. Perhaps, expect the bikies to do something like break into a defence depot in Melbourne or Canberra now they have locked the Sydney ones down. As much as the bikies are bad however, invading an army base seems a bit over the top, even for them. Also, even if they do break in, we wont hear about it. They will issue security notices to prevent publication in the interest of 'national security.', which is wheeled out whenever anything embarassing happens. Its only when the press finds out before the govt does that the public knows. With an invasion on an army base, the govt will find out first, and lock down the info with directions from the Attorney General on national security grounds. So we might find out about in 20 years or so, unless its leaked. There can be other indicators e.g. increase of usage of military hardware on Australian streets or decrease of bikies activities  depending who won.

Unless you are there, to watch it, security notices issued by the Attorney General make things disappear. Even a shoot out with automatic weapons in a public street, if a notice is issued, cannot be published, cannot be spoken of, under penalty of 5 years imprisonment. Those who are identified are given orders to sign indicating that they will not disclose what occurred under pain of imprisonment.

So if it happened, unlikely you'd ever know. It would have to happen at an event covered by the international media and be broadcast faster than they could issue the notices and cover it up.

You'd be surprised how often the regular media complies with a polite 'request' not to publish or discuss. They are reliant on government sources for access after all. If that is not enough, the AG can direct them to shut up.

As for military hardware, there is plenty of it around - soviet stuff. AK47s seem to be the thing. They don't need to break into the armoury to get it. I imagine that the recent safe base charlie alert was triggered by overheard 'chatter' in wiretaps where someone has said 'Lets break into the army base.'

Calanen wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 10:24pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 7th, 2009 at 4:53pm: Calanen wrote on Apr 7th, 2009 at 4:45pm: tallowood wrote on Apr 7th, 2009 at 11:39am: safe base charlie Quote: MILITARY facilities are in lockdown across southwest Sydney over fears bikie gangs may try to break in to weapons armouries. May be they should lay a trap and whack the whackos who get into it? It would be a good practical urban operation exercise for infantry. That would require far more competence than any of our agencies have or could ever assemble. Perhaps, expect the bikies to do something like break into a defence depot in Melbourne or Canberra now they have locked the Sydney ones down. As much as the bikies are bad however, invading an army base seems a bit over the top, even for them. Also, even if they do break in, we wont hear about it. They will issue security notices to prevent publication in the interest of 'national security.', which is wheeled out whenever anything embarassing happens. Its only when the press finds out before the govt does that the public knows. With an invasion on an army base, the govt will find out first, and lock down the info with directions from the Attorney General on national security grounds. So we might find out about in 20 years or so, unless its leaked. There can be other indicators e.g. increase of usage of military hardware on Australian streets or decrease of bikies activities  depending who won. Unless you are there, to watch it, security notices issued by the Attorney General make things disappear. Even a shoot out with automatic weapons in a public street, if a notice is issued, cannot be published, cannot be spoken of, under penalty of 5 years imprisonment. Those who are identified are given orders to sign indicating that they will not disclose what occurred under pain of imprisonment. So if it happened, unlikely you'd ever know. It would have to happen at an event covered by the international media and be broadcast faster than they could issue the notices and cover it up. You'd be surprised how often the regular media complies with a polite 'request' not to publish or discuss. They are reliant on government sources for access after all. If that is not enough, the AG can direct them to shut up. As for military hardware, there is plenty of it around - soviet stuff. AK47s seem to be the thing. They don't need to break into the armoury to get it. I imagine that the recent safe base charlie alert was triggered by overheard 'chatter' in wiretaps where someone has said 'Lets break into the army base.'

That is like with black holes, you can't see them, in fact you can't see nothing at all in there and that's why you know that it is a black hole. Anyone with even little experience in system analysis would be able to "divine" such happenings while the internet is a great for dissemination of such information.


Meantime we have casanostra coming.


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A FORMER top NSW crime fighter has warned that a mafia-type commission set up by bikie clubs to settle disputes could make them more powerful and much more difficult to prosecute.

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That is like with black holes, you can't see them, in fact you can't see nothing at all in there and that's why you know that it is a black hole. Anyone with even little experience in system analysis would be able to "divine" such happenings while the internet is a great for dissemination of such information.

Wikilieaks has done a good job and the current Defence Minister will rue the day he tried to embarass his staff over the SAS pay bungle, and they leaked the report over the Helen Lieu incident. Very odd though that our Defence Minister rents an apartment and gets all expenses paid trips from some person associated with high connections in China.

That said, the Lieus are wheeler dealers, and nice people. You cant do business in China without having Communist party connections. I'd seriously doubt that she was a spy it's too obvious. Im sure the Lieus like being friends with the Defence Minister, but's as far as it goes. Very embarassing for the Minister however.

The Minister has cracked down hard on the people in the Defence Intelligence Organisation, and made everyone swear a stat dec that they did not access his laptop. Anyone who refuses has to go to meet with one of the Defence heads for discipline.

Short of cash?


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Meanwhile, flamboyant Comancheros boss Mick Hawi has spent another night in custody after being charged on Monday with affray in relation to the Sydney Airport brawl. Mr Hawi, 28, who is said to have a $100,000 bounty on his head, yesterday had a bail application delayed again after new information was given to Sydney's Central Local Court.

easel wrote on Apr 8^th, 2009 at 2:31pm:

Short of cash? Quote: Meanwhile, flamboyant Comancheros boss Mick Hawi has spent another night in custody after being charged on Monday with affray in relation to the Sydney Airport brawl. Mr Hawi, 28, who is said to have a $100,000 bounty on his head, yesterday had a bail application delayed again after new information was given to Sydney's Central Local Court.

My guess is that he feels safer in police custody.

Calanen wrote on Apr 8^th, 2009 at 2:12pm:

... The Minister has cracked down hard on the people in the Defence Intelligence Organisation, and made everyone swear a stat dec that they did not access his laptop. Anyone who refuses has to go to meet with one of the Defence heads for discipline.

He wouldn't be taking his lap top out of secure perimeter by any chance? Ooops, another embarrassment  8-)

tallowood wrote on Apr 8^th, 2009 at 3:45pm:

easel wrote on Apr 8th, 2009 at 2:31pm: Short of cash? Quote: Meanwhile, flamboyant Comancheros boss Mick Hawi has spent another night in custody after being charged on Monday with affray in relation to the Sydney Airport brawl. Mr Hawi, 28, who is said to have a $100,000 bounty on his head, yesterday had a bail application delayed again after new information was given to Sydney's Central Local Court. My guess is that he feels safer in police custody.

He might not be in custody. Might be bullshit.

If he is though, the cops have him right where they want him. In a cell.

Either way I'm sure plenty of people are out there wanting to get that 100k.

You know Hawi has been released from gaol, not had to attend court, had evidence returned to him by the police because he has asked for it? He has power over them, or maybe he used to, perhaps he threatens people. He has been known to severely assault women in public.

If he is in a cell it is because he wants to be.

He must be terrified of people wanting that 100k.

easel wrote on Apr 8^th, 2009 at 4:47pm:

You know Hawi has been released from gaol,

Think you are mixing up two different cases. His bail application couldnt be heard because the court was too busy, and he was held overnight, and now for a further week pending further information being received. I wouldnt give him bail, but some magistrates might. He did turn himself in, which is in his favour.


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not had to attend court,

He was there AFAIK. Although the prisoner can always stay in their cells if they want to. I didnt hear that he had.


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had evidence returned to him by the police because he has asked for it?

He had to fight for it. The bloody shoes did not belong to the case under investigation, and the Police could not prove that a crime had been committed. So they had to be returned. That's nothing sinister.

He has power over them, or maybe he used to, perhaps he threatens people. He has been known to severely assault women in public.

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If he is in a cell it is because he wants to be.

That's true enough in that he handed himself in, but not so easy to get out once you are in there.


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He must be terrified of people wanting that 100k.

100k doesnt seem like much to kill a bikie chief. I'd be thinking millions before it seems like an attractive proposition.

I was referring to a case which is old. I provided the information in another thread.

100k is not bad money. Plenty of people would go after that kind of money.

The lawyer (or a mechanical robot) is dead. If Hawi goes down the gang is in big trouble. They are feuding with other gangs.

100k is substantial.

the amount of money is immaterial.
They have plenty, there would be those willing to do it for nothing.


he handed hinself in to give himself a chance to life, i thought he had already "disappeared".
I don't think he will be around for long.