I could not find the last thread named like this, so started another.
have confidance islam will give us worthy news regularily .




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JAKARTA: Islamic extremists have infiltrated deep into Indonesia's government, businesses, schools and religious bodies, and are using cunning new tactics to seize control of mosques and preach radicalism, former president Abdurrahman Wahid has written in a new book. Mr Wahid, who was president of Indonesia from 1999 to 2001, said hardliners were transforming Indonesia's traditionally moderate brand of Islam into one that is "aggressive, furious, intolerant and full of hate". Writing in The Illusion of an Islamic State, Mr Wahid said the extremists were systematically infiltrating Indonesian institutions in order to remake Indonesian society "in their own harsh and rigid likeness". Mr Wahid, also known as Gus Dur, said the hardliners were strongly influenced by transnational Islamic movements from the Middle East, such as Wahhabism and the Muslim Brotherhood, and many are financed by massive amounts of Wahhabi petro-dollars. The 68-year-old wrote that the hardliners have penetrated to the heart of Indonesia's Government, and warned of opportunistic politicians who work with extremist political parties and groups. "They have joined the extremists in driving our nation towards a deep chasm, which threatens destruction and national disintegration," he wrote. The book is based on more than two years of research by the LibForAll Foundation, a non-government organisation set up to promote religious tolerance and discredit extremism. The Indonesian Council of Religious Scholars had largely fallen into the grip of radicals and is now dictating to - and in many ways controlling - the country's government, he wrote. As Mr Wahid noted in the introduction, researchers for the book uncovered evidence of several cunning schemes extremists use to seize control of mosques. Under one scheme, a group of youths offer a mosque a free cleaning service. Actually "extremist agents", the cleaners aim to impress a mosque's management with their piety, and eventually gain a spot on the mosque's board. Once on the board, they consolidate their power, stack it with other radicals and eventually come to control who can serve as imam, deliver sermons or give religious education. The groups were also involved in strenuous efforts to seize control of Indonesia's mainstream Islamic organisations, particularly Muhammadiyah and the Nahdatul Ulama, in order to use them as vehicles to spread extremism, Mr Wahid said. About 90 per cent of Indonesia's 240 million people are Muslims. Mr Wahid, Indonesia's fourth president, was kicked out of office and impeached in 2001 amid accusations of incompetence and corruption. AAP

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25281031-2703,00.html

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2009 at 9:36am:

I could not find the last thread named like this, so started another. have confidance islam will give us worthy news regularily . ...

There was a thread "a day in muslimland" where I was documenting extreme behaviour of islamic fanatics in muslim states from current news. It seems that the thread has gone but unfortunately the fanatical behaviour has not.

Here is another example.

Flogging


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Pakistani authorities ordered inquiries Friday into a video showing the public flogging of a screaming woman in a northwestern valley where officials have yielded to Taliban demands for Islamic law. A militant spokesman defended the punishment, fueling a furor that cast more doubt on a creaking peace deal in the Swat valley that U.S. officials fear has created another haven for allies of al-Qaida. ... The two-minute video, widely aired on local television Friday, shows the woman face down on the ground with two men holding her arms and feet. Her all-enveloping burqa has been hitched up to expose a pair of pink trousers. A third man in a black turban with a long beard whips her backside more than a dozen times, causing her to scream repeatedly and shout "Stop it, stop it! It is painful!" A crowd of men watches silently in the background. ... Muslim Khan, spokesman for the Swat Taliban, said the militants publicly flogged a woman nine months ago over allegations that she had an illicit relationship with her father-in-law, but he was not sure if the video showed that incident. He defended the punishment, although he said it should not have been done in public and should have been carried out by a boy who had not yet reached puberty.

Pakistan mosque blast 'kills 15'


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Sunday, 5 April 2009 09:27 A bomb has exploded at a religious gathering of Shia Muslims in north-eastern Pakistan, killing at least 15 people, police say. Dozens of others were injured in the blast near the capital, Islamabad, officials said. According to early reports, the explosion occurred outside a mosque in the Chakwal area of Punjab province. It comes a day after eight paramilitary soldiers were killed in a suicide attack on an Islamabad security base. "A suicide bomber blew himself up at the gates of Imambargah (mosque) where a religious gathering was taking place," police official Chaudhry Zulfiqar told AFP news agency. He said police at the gate tried to stop the attacker going inside, where about 1,200 people had gathered.

another terrorist plot. involvong some people from a Uni.


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British police arrested 10 men on Wednesday in a series of anti-terrorist raids across northwest England. Greater Manchester Police said the suspects were detained in raids across a wide area including the cities of Manchester and Liverpool. The force said several addresses were being searched. Police would not give any details of the alleged plot. At least one of the raids was in the working-class Cheetham Hill area of Manchester, which has a large South Asian community. Witnesses said another raid was at Liverpool's John Moores University. Footage recorded on a mobile phone showed armed police standing over a man lying on the floor of a university building. "Suddenly there was all shouting and commotion outside so I went to the window and saw about eight police officers," said student Craig Ahmed, 24. "One of them was armed and was pointing his gun at two men who were ordered to lie face down on the ground." The British government currently assesses the country's terror threat level as "severe", the second highest of five possible ratings. It has been at that level or higher since suicide bombers killed 52 commuters on London's bus and subway system on July 7, 2005. Since then, two other major attempted attacks in Britain have failed. Two weeks after the July 7 attacks, a group of men attempted a similar strike against the city's transit network - but their bombs failed to detonate. In 2007, attempted car bombings in London's theatre district and at Glasgow airport also failed. Intelligence and security officials say more than a dozen other attempted attacks have been thwarted since 2001. They include an alleged 2006 plot to blow up trans-Atlantic jetliners in mid-air, for which eight men are currently on trial..........

http://www.theage.com.au/world/10-arrested-in-england-antiterrorist-raids-20090409-a127.html

no wonder the western world has had enough of these nutters and are pressing onward with freedom of speech.

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Hawiye kidnap Canadian journalist is pregnant

MOGADISHU --Amanda Lindhout, a Canadian journalist who was abducted by habar-gidir .. hawiye al-shabaab wing gunmen in the Somali capital Mogadishu about eight months ago is reportedly pregnant after she was apparently raped by her abductors, Sources say the Canadian journalist Amanda and an Australian photojournalist are being held by the militia in the northeastern neighbourhood of Suqa Holaha habar-girir hawye Terrorist neighborhood in Mogadishu. The abductors have demanded $2.5 million of ransom from the two journalists to release.

Amanda and the Australian photojournalist once escaped from a house in Suqa Holaha neighnourhood and entered a mosque near by, but they were recaptured again. militia who kidnapped the journalists claims they are al-shabab Terrorist Hawiye wing . Some reports suggest that one the abductors made Amanda as his wife.

The journalists were kidnapped between the Afgoye district and the capital city with their Somali photojournalist, Abdifatah Mohammed Elmi a hawiye man , who was acting as a translator for the two in September 2008, but Abdifitah was released after 5 months. Abdiftah said that he did not see Amanda and colleague since the militia abducted them.

http://terrorfreesomalia.blogspot.com/2009/04/hawiye-terrorist-kidnap-canadian.html


This should be no surprise, Allan the Moon God says that jihadis can rape infidel women.

how oppressive these front bottoms are, from over 25 years ago they will behead anyone who is pposed to them.
yet is terrorism is committed for them, it is ok.





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Saudi Arabia beheaded 16 Kuwaiti Shiites by sword in public today in the Islamic holy city of Mecca in connection with bombings and other terrorism during the annual Muslim pilgrimage in July. The condemned men were all Shiite Muslims of Iranian and Saudi origin. They were accused of having smuggled explosives and weapons and found guilty of placing bombs near the Great Mosque of Mecca. Saudi Arabia said they had also planned other acts of terrorism in Saudi Arabia during the pilgrimage season on the orders of Iran.

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/22/world/saudi-arabia-beheads-16-kuwaitis-linked-to-pro-iranian-terrorism.html?n=Top%2FReference%2FTimes%20Topics%2FSubjects%2FR%2FReligion%20and%20Belief

Saudi judge upholds man's marriage to 8-year-old

By Mohammed Jamjoom
CNN
   
(CNN) -- A Saudi mother is expected to appeal a judge's ruling after he once again refused to let her 8-year-old daughter divorce a 47-year-old man, a relative said.

Sheikh Habib Al-Habib made the ruling Saturday in the Saudi city of Onaiza. Late last year, he rejected a petition to annul the marriage.

The case, which has drawn criticism from local and international rights groups, came to light in December when Al-Habib declined to annul the marriage on a legal technicality. His dismissal of the mother's petition sparked outrage and made headlines around the world.

The judge said the mother, who is separated from the girl's father, was not the legal guardian and therefore could not represent her daughter, the mother's lawyer, Abdullah al-Jutaili, said at the time.

The girl's husband pledged not to consummate the marriage until the girl reaches puberty, according to al-Jutaili, who added that the girl's father arranged the marriage to settle his debts with the man, who is considered "a close friend."

In March, an appeals court in the Saudi capital of Riyadh declined to certify the original ruling, in essence rejecting al-Habib's verdict, and sent the case back to al-Habib for reconsideration.

Under the Saudi legal process, the appeals court ruling meant that the marriage was still in effect, but that a challenge to the marriage was still ongoing.

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The relative, who said the girl's mother will continue to pursue a divorce, told CNN the judge "stuck by his earlier verdict and insisted that the girl could petition the court for a divorce once she reached puberty."

The appeals court in Riyadh will take up the case again and a hearing is scheduled for next month, according to the relative.

Child marriages have made news in Saudi Arabia in the past year.

In a statement issued shortly after the original verdict, the Society of Defending Women's Rights in Saudi Arabia said the judge's decision went against children's "basic rights."

Marrying children makes them "lose their sense of security and safety," the group said. "Also, it destroys their feeling of being loved and nurtured. It causes them a lifetime of psychological problems and severe depression."

Zuhair al-Harithi, a spokesman for the Saudi Human Rights Commission, a government-run group, told CNN that his organization was fighting child marriages.

"Child marriages violate international agreements that have been signed by Saudi Arabia and should not be allowed," al-Harithi said.

Child marriage is not unusual, said Christoph Wilcke, a Saudi Arabian researcher for the international group Human Rights Watch, after the initial verdict.

"We've been hearing about these types of cases once every four or five months because the Saudi public is now able to express this kind of anger, especially so when girls are traded off to older men," Wilcke told CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/04/12/saudi.child.marriage/index.html


[Well of course he did. Mohammed the perfect human, married a 6 year old. And in a kingdom where the Koran is the constitution, it would be blasphemy not to let an old man marry a little girl. It's all about tolerance for other people's beliefs you know - what one society (say ours) might call pedophilia, is another society's freedom of religion, and it is only our intolerance, race hate and xenophobia that seeks to criticise such practices. There is no right and wrong, just different cultures that we ALL have to work harder to understand and overcome our prejudices about. The Multitcultist Fascist State sentences you to a year of Re-Education to learn more tolerance.]

Calanen wrote on Apr 13^th, 2009 at 12:06am:

It's all about tolerance for other people's beliefs you know - what one society (say ours) might call pedophilia, is another society's freedom of religion, and it is only our intolerance, race hate and xenophobia that seeks to criticise such practices. There is no right and wrong, just different cultures that we ALL have to work harder to understand and overcome our prejudices about. The Multitcultist Fascist State sentences you to a year of Re-Education to learn more tolerance.]

It might pay to wait until someone actually dissents, counsellor, before you launch into your diatribe of feigned melodramatic outrage.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 13^th, 2009 at 1:23am:

Calanen wrote on Apr 13th, 2009 at 12:06am: It's all about tolerance for other people's beliefs you know - what one society (say ours) might call pedophilia, is another society's freedom of religion, and it is only our intolerance, race hate and xenophobia that seeks to criticise such practices. There is no right and wrong, just different cultures that we ALL have to work harder to understand and overcome our prejudices about. The Multitcultist Fascist State sentences you to a year of Re-Education to learn more tolerance.] It might pay to wait until someone actually dissents, counsellor, before you launch into your diatribe of feigned melodramatic outrage.

helian,

Sorry, i don't understand your point here?

We should 'wait until someone actually dissents' ???

Who should we be waiting for?

Saudi authorities believe there is no issue, as devout muslims, consider the marriage of child brides as 'kosher' in ISLAM.

Same as beheading Saudi citizens who reveal their conversion to Christianity [is 'kosher' in ISLAM].

Who should 'dissent' ?




Should all we non-muslims remain silent?

Is that your point?

Yadda wrote on Apr 13^th, 2009 at 11:07am:

helian, Sorry, i don't understand your point here? We should 'wait until someone actually dissents' ??? Should all we non-muslims remain silent? Is that your point?

No Yadd. My point is that no one on this forum or throughout Australia would condone the practice of child marriage, whether it occurs in Saudi Arabia or India and neither would 99.99% of Muslims and Hindus, I'd bet. What kind of man was the father who sold his daughter to pay off a debt? A fringe dweller, a gambler, a walking piece of filth? Probably all three.

The counsellor got on his soap box again preaching to the dissenting voices in his head about the evils of tolerance...

Tolerance is not about accepting everything as morally equal to everything else... That's called indifference.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 13^th, 2009 at 11:25am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 13th, 2009 at 11:07am: helian, Sorry, i don't understand your point here? We should 'wait until someone actually dissents' ??? Should all we non-muslims remain silent? Is that your point? No Yadd. My point is that no one on this forum or throughout Australia would condone the practice of child marriage, whether it occurs in Saudi Arabia or India and neither would 99.99% of Muslims and Hindus, I'd bet.

Thank you for that clarification.


And, I would not place that bet.

You would lose your money.

There are many, many examples, which have been cited recently in the Western media, where members of muslim communities, have removed children to their 'home' countries, for the purpose of enabling their muslim cultural practises, to be performed in a more accommodating 'environment'.

Young girls have been 'repatriated' for arranged marriages, and also for female genital mutilation, because their parents know that the host culture in the West would not tolerate such cultural practises.







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What kind of man was the father who sold his daughter to pay off a debt? A fringe dweller, a gambler, a walking piece of filth? Probably all three.

Not so, in my opinion.

In the example under examination, these ppl were merely muslims, muslims, who condone such practices, and were merely engaging in a 'normal' and legitimate, cultural practice.

And that is what should concern us, seeing as we welcome muslims, and by default, we welcome their culture [and these same values], among us.

Or should we consider something portrayed by some who have no care [for the welfare of others], as tolerance [of other cultures]?





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The counsellor got on his soap box again preaching to the dissenting voices in his head about the evils of tolerance...

I don't believe that is Cal's position - AT ALL.

I believe his position could more fairly be said to be that, he does not see any merit in seeing evil, and then 'turning away', and refering to our moral 'blindness', as 'tolerance', and something to be proud, of in ourselves.

We are kidding ourselves, imagining that ignoring evil in front of our eyes, is to be commended as an example of our 'tolerance'.


"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."
Thomas Mann
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Mann






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Tolerance is not about accepting everything as morally equal to everything else... That's called indifference.

Like, the position many of us take on moral issues today,

.....'I don't know, and i don't care.' ?

Broken lives: Nigeria's child brides who end up on the streets
Nigerian child bride

Child brides in Nigeria are often crippled by childbirth. Their injuries lead to incontinence, shame and exile
Ramita Navai in Kano

In a small, dimly lit brothel in the red-light district of Kano in northern Nigeria nearly all the young prostitutes lined up on plastic chairs are runaway brides.

“I was married when I was 15 years old. I was forced into it,” said Hadiza.

Whenever her husband attempted to consummate the marriage, Hadiza would flee to her parents’ home, but they kept returning her to the man to whom she had been married off.

Finally her husband raped her: the attack was so violent that Hadiza was sent to hospital.
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“We have no choice. If you’re not married by the time you’re 16, people think there must be something wrong with you,” she said. The girls around her nod silently - some of them had been forced to marry when they were only 12.

Northern Nigeria has one of the highest rates of child marriage in the world: nearly half of all girls here are married by the age of 15.

The consequences have been devastating. Nigeria has the highest maternal mortality rate in Africa and one of the world’s highest rates of fistula, a condition that can occur when the pressure of childbirth tears a hole between the vagina and the bladder or rectum. Many women are left incontinent for life. Up to 800,000 women suffer from fistula in Nigeria.

“They marry young, they get pregnant young, they deliver young and they pick up the fistula,” said Kees Waaldijk, the chief consultant surgeon at the Babbar Ruga hospital, the world’s largest fistula clinic, in the northern state of Katsina.

Most cases happen to young girls during their first pregnancy, and nearly half the patients at Babbar Ruga are under 16.

Dr Waaldijk operates on up to 600 women a year, with no electricity or running water. He sterilises his equipment in a steel casserole pot that sits on a gas camping stove. Rows of girls and women - some as young as 13 - lie listlessly on rusty hospital beds, each connected to a catheter.

The smell of urine is overpowering and many of the women have been cast out from their communities. Some have been divorced by their husbands - it is estimated that up to half of adolescent girls in northern Nigeria are divorced. “If nothing is done the woman ends up crippled for life: medically, socially, mentally and emotionally,” Dr Waaldijk said.

The Nigerian federal Government has attempted to outlaw child marriage. In 2003 it passed the Child Rights Act, prohibiting marriage under the age of 18. In the Muslim northern states, though, there has been fierce resistance to the Act, with many people portraying it as antiIslamic. “Child marriage in Islam is permissible. In the Koran there is no specific age of marriage,” said Imam Sani, a liberal cleric in the northern state of Kaduna. He said that this was the root cause of the opposition among the more hardline mullahs, who believe that matters of Islamic “personal” law - marriage, divorce and inheritance - must be governed by the Koran, not the state.

“The Muslim clerics have a problem with this Child Rights Act and they decried it, they castigate it, they reject it and they don’t want it introduced in Nigeria,” Mr Sani said.

He said there would be serious repercussions if the federal Government attempted to impose a minimum age of marriage. “There will be violent conflict from the Muslims, saying that ‘no, we will not accept this, we’d rather die than accept something which is not a law from Allah’.”

Half of Nigeria’s 36 states have passed the Act, but it has been adopted by only one of the dozen Muslim states - and even that one made a crucial amendment substituting the age of 18 for the term “puberty”.

Each state in Nigeria has the constitutional right to amend legislation to comply with its local traditions and religion, meaning that central government is powerless to impose a minimum age of marriage.

Other vocal opponents to the Act include village heads and elders - almost all men - highlighting the tribal and cultural constraints that hamper attempts to stamp out child marriage.

“It is important we have the right to marry our girls young so there is no risk of pregnancy outside marriage. It is to preserve the purity of our girls,” said Usman, an 84-year-old man from the village of Yammaw Fulani, who married a 14-year-old girl four years ago. “We will never accept this law,” he said.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article5248224.ece

Let's see what the Islamic experts tell us about child marriage in Islam. Of course he will tell us, it is abhorent and not Islamic at all...or will he?

http://www.youtube.com/v/dlrJxaxaHRU

Maybe the guy above was jsut confused, one of those 'Zionist Islamic Imitators', how about this one, what has he to say:

http://www.youtube.com/v/Ak0_UvzjgnU


CNN report as mother recounts how her husband in Saudi Arabia sold their two underage daughters into marriage:

http://www.youtube.com/v/AvvPpWXpmWs

calanen - that MUST be totally islamic.
It's what mohammad did.

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Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65:    Narrated 'Aisha:    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

The prophet is the perfect human and his example can always be followed, no matter what the horrible western infidels say. They just need to learn to be more tolerant of other cultures and not such be such prejudiced haters.

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SOMALIA'S hardline Shebab Islamists have claimed responsibility for a mortar attack targeting US congressman Donald Payne, who was unharmed, one of the group's officials said today. “We carried out mortar attacks against the enemy of Allah who arrived to spread democracy in Somalia,” Sheikh Husein Ali Fidow said in Mogadishu. “This Government is welcoming America, which is our prime enemy and we will never stop attacking them,” he said. An African Union official said: “The plane of the congressman was leaving and the mortars started falling. There were no casualties, but the attack was aimed at the congressman. He flew out safely.” Mr Payne, congressman from New Jersey and a member of the foreign affairs committee, arrived in Mogadishu hours earlier for talks with President Sharif Sheikh Ahmed and his prime minister on rampant piracy off the country's coast.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25331603-954,00.html

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EGYPT appears to have foiled a terrorist attack by Hezbollah against Israeli tourists, leading to a renewed round of hostility between Egypt and Hezbollah. Egyptian cabinet minister Mufed Shehab said yesterday Egyptian authorities had found explosives belts and bomb-making materials and had detected a plan to bring other terrorist weapons and ammunition into Egypt. Although he did not name Israeli tourists, Mr Shehab said the Egyptian authorities believed a group of Hezbollah agents were "observing and locating the tourist groups who repeatedly come to south Sinai resorts and residences, paving the way to target them". Separately, on a rare positive note, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas yesterday telephoned Israel's new Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to wish him a happy Passover, in the first phone call between the two men since Mr Netanyahu took office two weeks ago, and the first high-level contact between Israel and the Palestinian Authority since the Gaza war in January. After the call, Mr Netanyahu's office said the Prime Minister had told Mr Abbas the two had worked together in the past to achieve peace and would do so again. The hostility between Egypt and Hezbollah reflects growing tension in the Middle East between Egypt and Saudi Arabia on the one hand and Iran and Syria on the other. The Gaza war deepened that division, with Egypt blaming Hamas for the war, and Saudi Arabia remaining largely silent, while Iran and Syria blamed Israel. In relation to Hezbollah's alleged activities in Egypt, the authorities have charged nine men with spying for Hezbollah and aiming to harm Egypt's security. ............

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25330061-2703,00.html

wheres abu ???
your muslamic mates are being crushed by the free world.
we have had enough of the violence propogated by the koran.
burn it or use it as toilet paper.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 14^th, 2009 at 7:51am:

wheres abu ???

Either busy elsewhere, or not partial to the LIGHT of open debate, away from his 'muslim village'?

Or perhaps he's become a muslim apostate, and has abandoned ISLAM altogether?         :o

We can but pray sprint.          ;)







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.....your muslamic mates are being crushed by the free world. we have had enough of the violence propogated by the koran. burn it or use it as toilet paper.

Please no sprint!

No encouragement of 'book burning' here please.          ;)

I would prefer that ppl could study the contents of the Koran, rather than it being destroyed, or banned.

If it was decided that the Koran should be routinely destroyed, or banned in the West, that would serve those who prefer 'darkness', and those who prefer to hide what motivates evil.

And there are many of them about!



I would like to see the practice of ISLAM banned in the West [and the deportation of all imam's], but not the banning of the 'understanding' of what it is, that inspires muslims / ISLAM.

And the Koran and Hadith, are at the heart, of what is motivating devout muslims.

And all we non-muslims must come to understand this.

Muslim father orders daughter killed over short skirt


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A Muslim resident of Russia’s St. Petersburg has hired killers to rid him of a daughter who disrespected Islamic laws by wearing short skirts. ... Rashida Kirimova, 21, studied medicine at a St. Petersburg school and waved away her father’s criticism when he said her clothes weren't modest enough and were unfit for a Muslim girl.   During winter, Rashida wore high-necked sweaters and long trousers, causing no problems in the neighborhood, but when spring came, she put on a skirt that left her knees exposed. The father’s Muslim friends again started reproaching him for being negligent and allowing his daughter to walk around dressed like a fallen woman. They said the insult could only be washed away by blood, and introduced Gafar to a killer, who agreed to help him for around $3000. The killer, Kadyr Suleymanov, seized the girl on April 8th as she was hurrying to classes. He and two accomplices drove her out of the city to a suburban dump, shot her dead and covered her body with garbage. The body was found by the police after the father confessed he had ordered the killing. Two of three criminals have been detained.

Muslim honour at it again  :(

Jailed for spraying food with urine

   * April 15, 2009 - 6:41AM

An unemployed chemist has been jailed for spraying a mix of urine and faeces on food, wine and children's books in several British stores.

Sahnoun Daifallah was sentenced to nine years in prison after being found guilty of four counts of contaminating goods.

The 42-year-old carried a mix of his waste in a container of weed killer concealed in a laptop bag, a court found. Using the nozzle, which poked out of the bag, Daifallah was able to spray large areas, leaving a powerful stench and causing tens of thousands of pounds worth of damage.

Daifallah, an Algerian, targeted a book shop in the south England town of Cirencester on May 14, dousing hundreds of books - most of them in the children's section. Two days later he struck in the nearby suburban area of Quedgeley, where a customer spotting him squirting the frozen French fries at a supermarket.

Daifallah then drove six kilometres to another supermarket, where an employee in the wine section noticed him acting suspiciously and reported an overpowering stench. Both supermarkets were closed for two days for cleaning. Shoppers reported suffering from rashes and nausea.

The stores involved declined to comment on the case.

Police were able to identify Daifallah using security camera footage. When they raided his home, they found a stockpile of the substance and plans to spread it. Plastic bags containing excrement were marked with the names of cities on them.

Daifallah represented himself at Bristol Crown Court, where he pleaded not guilty.

Judge Carol Hagen said Britain's security agencies had labelled him a high risk to public safety. Authorities have already begun deportation proceedings.

AP
http://www.smh.com.au/world/jailed-for-spraying-food-with-urine-20090415-a6gp.html

[NB. This looks like a practice run for spraying something far more dangerous, like anthrax spores or biological contagion, or arsenic. I think this was a dummy run to gather intel on how viable this method of dispersal was, and whether if they tried to utilise the real deal, how the authorities would react and so on. AQ will either regard these tests as successful and you will see more of it, or, believe that this is not a good way to go and do something else.

afghans have modernised their murderous methods.
They now use rifles for public executions, rather than swords as mohammad did.




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KABUL - Taliban gunmen executed a young couple in southern Afghanistan for trying to elope, shooting them with rifles in front of a crowd in a lawless, militant-controlled region, officials said Tuesday. The woman, 19, and the man, 21, were accused by the militants of immoral acts, and a council of conservative clerics decided that the two should be killed, said Ghulam Dastagir Azad, the governor of the southwestern province of Nimroz. Riflemen in the remote district of Khash Rod shot the man and woman with AK-47s Monday during a public execution, said Sadiq Chakhansori, the chief of Nimroz' provincial council.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30205074/

What crime did thye commit ???????????

Sprint, you should read what David Kilcullen has to say about Afghanis and Afghanistan before you presume all Afghanis are Taliban or their supporters... only a very small minority support the Taliban in any way.

David Kilcullen is the highly respected Australian who was special advisor to Genral Petraeus in Iraq. He has worked with US forces in Afghanistan and is currently attached to the US State Department. His advice is sought after by US administrations on counter-insurgency and counter-terrorism. He has recently written a book 'The Accidental Guerrilla: Fighting Small Wars in the Midst of a Big One' about his career.

helian, I don't presume that.
Sorry about my prior phrase error.

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afghans have modernised their murderous methods

I meant "talibans"

Another one, more islamic suicide bombers.
Younger now.
More muslim madness



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IRAQI security forces have arrested four children who were recruited by al-Qaeda to carry out suicide attacks in and around the northern city of Kirkuk, an army general said today. "Special forces units have arrested an organisation of children consisting of four individuals under the age of 14 who call themselves the Birds of Paradise," General Abdelamir al-Zaidi said. "The group relies on children and is connected to al-Qaeda. It works to recruit children and young people to carry out suicide attacks and to aid the terrorist groups in detonating roadside bombs," he said. The name of the group likely comes from the traditional Islamic belief that when children die they become birds in paradise. The children were arrested west of Kirkuk, the main oil hub in northern Iraq that is the subject of a longstanding dispute between Baghdad and the autonomous Kurdish region and has seen several recent attacks. Gen Zaidi said security forces are still investigating the group and have arrested other suspects, but he declined to give further details because of the secrecy of the operation. Another Iraqi officer said the existence of the children's unit proves al-Qaeda is losing ground. "This is a new method and it is the method of someone who is losing the war," the officer said on condition of anonymity. "Their infrastructure is being destroyed and their leaders are being arrested and killed... They are sending a message that 'we are still here, but we have to rely on every method to carry out our terrorist operations.'" US and Iraqi forces launched a major operation in and around Kirkuk last week after a car bomb exploded next to a bus carrying police through the city, killing 10 policemen and wounding more than 20.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25357683-954,00.html

It is very, very sad - but the families are obviously fanatical in their hatred for the west.  Children shouldn't have to live this way.  Does anyone believe that we share some of this responsibility? After all suicide bombing only emerged as a payback by Muslims in the early 90's after the Gulf War.

Does anyone remember their parents or grandparents talking about the Kamikaze pilots?  There was some hostility towards them - but nothing compared with the hatred directed at suicide bombers today. Admittedly there were no children involved, but then again how many children suffered as a result of the nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?  Good thing the Japanese don't hold a grudge - well not obviously anyway.

Perhaps we should nuke Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and Palestine.

On August 6, 1945, the United States used a massive, atomic weapon against Hiroshima, Japan. This atomic bomb, the equivalent of 20,000 tons of TNT, flattened the city, killing tens of thousands of civilians. While Japan was still trying to comprehend this devastation three days later, the United States struck again, this time, on Nagasaki.

The cities were chosen because they had been relatively untouched during the war. The Target Committee wanted the first bomb to be "sufficiently spectacular for the importance of the weapon to be internationally recognized when publicity on it was released."3

On August 6, 1945, the first choice target, Hiroshima, was having clear weather. At 8:15 a.m. (local time), the Enola Gay's door sprang open and dropped "Little Boy." The bomb exploded 1,900 feet above the city and only missed the target, the Aioi Bridge, by approximately 800 feet.

Staff Sergeant George Caron, the tail gunner, described what he saw: "The mushroom cloud itself was a spectacular sight, a bubbling mass of purple-gray smoke and you could see it had a red core in it and everything was burning inside. . . . It looked like lava or molasses covering a whole city. . . ."4 The cloud is estimated to have reached a height of 40,000 feet.

Captain Robert Lewis, the co-pilot, stated, "Where we had seen a clear city two minutes before, we could no longer see the city. We could see smoke and fires creeping up the sides of the mountains."5 Two-thirds of Hiroshima was destroyed. Within three miles of the explosion, 60,000 of the 90,000 buildings were demolished. Clay roof tiles had melted together. Shadows had imprinted on buildings and other hard surfaces. Metal and stone had melted.

Unlike many other bombing raids, the goal for this raid had not been a military installation but rather an entire city. The atomic bomb that exploded over Hiroshima killed civilian women and children in addition to soldiers. Hiroshima's population has been estimated at 350,000; approximately 70,000 died immediately from the explosion and another 70,000 died from radiation within five years.

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Kamikaze pilots would attempt to intentionally crash their aircraft – often laden with explosives, bombs, torpedoes and full fuel tanks – into Allied ships. The aircraft's normal functions, to deliver torpedoes or bombs or shoot down other aircraft, were put aside, and the planes were converted to what were essentially manned missiles, in a desperate attempt to reap the benefits of greatly increased accuracy and payload over that of normal bombs. The goal of crippling as many Allied capital ships as possible was considered critical enough to warrant the sacrifice of aviators and aircraft.

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Admittedly there were no children involved, but then again how many children suffered as a result of the nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?  Good thing the Japanese don't hold a grudge - well not obviously anyway

Good thing *we* don't hold a grudge. Who started the smacking war while we were minding our own business? They invaded New Guinea, Singapore, Malaya, Hong Kong, bombed Pearl Harbour.

And instead of using the Atomic bomb, what exactly were we supposed to do? A Normandy style invasion of Japan, so 50 million or so Japanese civilians shouting BANZAI could run at our troops on the beaches with sticks?

After the USA lost 200,000 or so troops, fighting thousands of Japanese from island to island, down to the last man and the last bullet - with their never surrender policy, and after taking Iwa Jima with horrendous losses - there was NO WAY the US was going to have hundreds of thousands of its troops lost, and millions of Japanese civilians killed with a conventional invasion.

The only way to avoid that, was to say, surrender, now we have a terrible weapon that we will use if you do not. They did not surrender and the first bomb went off. They then were given another chance to surrender, and they did not, and the second bomb went off.

Then the Empire of Japan still wanted to fight on, even after being hit with two nuclear weapons - but the Emperor said no, and ordered the whole country to surrender. Once the Emperor had spoken, that was the end of it, there was no insurgency there was only obedience.

The Japanese were also the worst barbarians, who committed heinous atrocities all across Asia, and most importantly on our own troops. If they had the atomic bomb, they would have used it as many times as they could. Also, the US, could have turned all of Japan into glass if it wanted to. It used measured force to compel them to surrender and that is all.

So stop the Kumbaya crap about how there was a better solution. There wasn't. The Japanese started a fight they couldn't finish, and the US President took the best steps in the interests not just of the USA, but the Allies, and ultimately the Japanese to stop it. The alternative was another 2-3 years of war and millions, maybe 10s of millions of Japanese dead as the entire country was turned to rubble in house to house fighting.

Calanen,

Thank you for that logical and reasoned post, #25.

I don't know how many ppl you will 'get through to' though?

Mankind is insane, daily evil is appeased worldwide.

And it looks very much like the lunatics are in charge of the asylum!

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And it looks very much like the lunatics are in charge of the asylum!

The lunatics are in charge of every asylum. Not just here. The most unintelligent, morally bankrupt, mantra chanting clueless non-entities run and are responsible for most of our society.

Hamas accused of murdering 32 Gazans



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RAMALLAH: Gunmen with suspected links to Hamas security forces killed at least 32 Palestinians and wounded dozens in attacks on political opponents and informers during and after Israel's three-week war in the Gaza Strip. In a report released last night, Human Rights Watch said the attacks in December and January were the worst outbreak of internal violence since Hamas seized control of Gaza in June 2007 and expelled Fatah members. The New York-based group urged Gaza's Hamas rulers to halt a pattern of arbitrary arrests, torture and summary executions by the Islamic militant group. Such practices were aimed, in part, at quashing dissent in Gaza and made a mockery of Hamas's claim that it upholds the law, the group said. "Hamas authorities ... took extraordinary steps to control, intimidate, punish and at times eliminate their internal political rivals as well as persons suspected of collaborating with Israel," the report says. Eighteen Palestinians were killed by Hamas during the three-week war, which ended on January 18, and 14 others were killed afterwards, the report says after reviewing killings and shootings since December 27, when Israel launched its Gaza offensive, meant to weaken Hamas and halt rocket attacks from Gaza on Israel. In addition, 49 Gazans were shot in the legs by masked gunmen between December 28 and January 31, and 73 had their arms or legs broken. Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum dismissed the report as unbalanced. He said Hamas was willing to investigate any complaints, and denied the group was going after political opponents. He said suspected collaborators with Israel who fled Gaza's central prison after it was destroyed in Israeli bombing raids in December were killed by relatives of people they had harmed, not by security forces. Human Rights Watch said repressive measures are also on the rise in the Fatah-controlled West Bank, ruled by Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas. Hamas had begun investigations into four deaths in Gaza, dismissing and detaining members of the security forces involved in two killings, said Bill Van Esveld, a Human Rights Watch researcher. "What we have not seen is accountability for (the killing of) collaborators and Fatah guys getting shot in the legs," he said. In one case under investigation, gunmen wearing headbands of Hamas's military wing, Izzedine al-Qassam, opened fire on Thursday on three cousins loyal to Fatah in Jebaliya. The three men were each hit by several bullets in the legs and were still in hospital, the Gaza-based Palestinian Centre for Human Rights said.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25363313-15084,00.html

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 1:06pm:

Hamas accused of murdering 32 Gazans http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25363313-15084,00.html

Hamas accused of murdering 32 Gazans, ......'Palestinians'!!!

Allah's finest???

Surely not!!!

Must have been those murderous Zionist scum, pretending to be Hamas.
/sarc off

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Font Size: Decrease Increase Print Page: Print April 24, 2009 Article from:  The Australian BAGHDAD: The Iraqi military yesterday announced the capture of the man they say is the head of al-Qa'ida in Iraq, as at least 73 people were killed in two bloody suicide bombings. "Abu Omar al-Baghdadi was arrested today in Baghdad," Iraqi security spokesman Major General Qasim Atta said. "It was Iraqi forces who arrested him based on an intelligence tip-off." Baghdadi is said to be the leader of the Islamic State of Iraq, a self-styled umbrella organisation for al-Qa'ida-affiliated insurgent groups fighting US and Iraqi forces. He has been reported captured or killed several times in the past. But the US military claims there is nobody called Baghdadi in the Islamic State of Iraq, and that it is merely an internet-based organisation. The Iraqi military's announcement came amid a surge of killings in two violent attacks yesterday. In the deadliest strike, at least 45 people, including Iranian pilgrims, were killed when a suicide bomber struck a restaurant in a town northeast of Baghdad, a military official said. And 28 people, including children, were killed in a suicide attack on a police patrol in southeastern Baghdad, Iraqi military and interior ministry officials said. Security has improved in Iraq over the past two years as local and US forces cracked down on al-Qa'ida fighters and insurgent forces, but attacks targeting the security forces are still common in parts of the country. In Muqdadiyah, northeast of Baquba, at least 45 people were killed and 55 wounded in the attack on the restaurant, which was packed with Iranian pilgrims who were on their way to the Shia holy city of Karbala, south of Baghdad. In southeastern Baghdad, 28 people were killed in the attack on a police patrol in Al-Riyadh, officials said. "Iraqi police were distributing aid to displaced families when a suicide bomber blew himself up," an interior ministry official said. "At least 10 police and five children are among 28 dead." Fifty-two people were wounded in the blast, Iraqi defence and interior ministry officials said. A second interior ministry source said the suicide bomber was a woman, but this could not be immediately confirmed.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25378745-2703,00.html


Oh, hi abu, good to have you back here.

This is madness and the Muslims are going to get a hard time over this.  They seem to have a reason for this aggressiveness - but is the rest of Australia so terrifying that they have to learn this sort of defence at 4 years of age?


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CRIMINAL charges could be laid against teenagers and adults involved in organising a boxing bout in Sydney's southwest involving boys as young as four, and for footage which was posted on YouTube. Police and DOCS will investigate the source of the footage after they were alerted to it yesterday. The video is undated but it had been posted under the headline "rmacentre lil' kids boxing" - and with a link to the Revesby Muslim Association's website. The association last night distanced itself from the footage, denying it was an organised "fight club". Spokesman Wisam Haddad said the footage had been shot without the association's knowledge following one of its organised boxercise classes. The footage shows two boys who appear to be aged about four, wearing boxing gloves but no protective headgear, punching each other in the head as adults cheered them on. One of the boys appears unsteady on his feet and tries to walk away. As he reaches a door to leave, he is forced back in and urged to box on. Islamic Friendship Association spokesman Keysar Trad said last night he was appalled by the footage. "Most Muslims seeing this would be shocked and appalled," Mr Trad told The Daily Telegraph. Mr Haddad said the association had held a month-long trial of boxercise classes at a hall in Revesby. He said the association had no knowledge of the footage, which was filmed after the trainers had left. He said once he was alerted to the existence of the footage yesterday he recognised one of the boys in the film as having attended an RMA drop-in centre. He then learned that the boy's 15-year-old brother had filmed the fight on a mobile phone. Mr Haddad ordered the footage taken down from YouTube. "It is very upsetting, because religiously we're not allowed to hit anyone in the head," he said. "That's why we run boxercise classes, not boxing." Inspector Mark Smith confirmed police had received a report and had alerted DOCS, and were prepared to launch an investigation. He said that there were criminal offences for intentionally causing a child physical harm. "It has been viewed by our people and at this stage we can't identify any victim or offender," he said. DOCS said that while the children had not been identified beyond their first names, it had information about the centre where the boxing was alleged to have taken place.

U-tube link.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25379208-953,00.html

abu , any commenst on this one ?????



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Two suicide attackers blew themselves up killing 55 people, including several Iranians, outside a shrine in Baghdad on Friday, the second deadly attack on religious pilgrims in two days. The attacks took place as hundreds of worshippers gathered to pray at the Imam Musa Al Kadhim shrine in the predominantly Shiite neighbourhood of Kadhimiyah in northern Baghdad, officials said. "Fifty-five people were killed in the attack, including 20 Iranians. Another 125 people were wounded, including 80 Iranian pilgrims," an official in the defence ministry told AFP. An interior ministry official confirmed the tolls. The bombings come less than three months before US forces are to withdraw from all Iraqi cities and a day after suicide attacks in Baghdad and Iraq's Diyala province killed more than 80 people. The two suicide bombers blew themselves up in a crowded market just outside the shrine -- one of the most revered Shiite holy sites in the world. Major General Qassim Atta, the security forces spokesman for Baghdad, confirmed the attacks but could not immediately say how many people had been killed or wounded. "There was a terrorist attack by two suicide bombers near Al-Kadhim shrine at about 11.56 am (0856 GMT) targeting pilgrims and civilians," he said. The blast came as officials announced that the death toll from a Thursday suicide bombing in a restaurant northeast of Baghdad packed with Iranian religious pilgrims rose to 56. That assault took place in the town of Muqdadiyah in the ethnically and religiously mixed Diyala province, which still sees regular attacks despite security improvements elsewhere in Iraq. "The morgue received 56 bodies, among whom 52 were Iranian," said Ahmed Fuad, a doctor and morgue official in the provincial capital Baquba. "Sixteen were women and 35 were men and there was one small child aged about six years," he added, detailing the Iranian casualties. A security official said separately that 63 people had been wounded in the bombing, the force of which caused the restaurant's roof to collapse. Hundreds of thousands of Iranians visit Iraq's many Shiite holy sites each year despite the lingering violence in the country. Another suicide bombing in southeastern Baghdad on Thursday killed 28 people displaced by the violence in recent years who had been sheltering in an abandoned building but come down to receive food aid from police. And a US-allied militia leader and two other people were killed and six others wounded in a separate suicide attack in Baquba on Thursday night, a district official said. "A suicide attack targetted Mobarak Ahmad, one of the Sahwa leaders in Al-Odhaim, close to his home, killing him and two others on Thursday night," said Ahmad Ezzat, a Diyala province official. The Sahwa "Awakening" movement began in 2006 when mostly Sunni tribes and former insurgents allied with US forces to help drive out Al-Qaeda from the group's former strongholds across the country. The surge in bloodshed comes less than three months before US troops are to withdraw from all major Iraqi towns and cities as part of a general drawdown required by a security pact signed with Washington in November. US forces are to pull out of all Iraqi cities and major towns by June 30 and from the country as a whole by the end of 2011. Violence has plummeted over the past two years as American and Iraqi forces have allied with the Sahwas to bring calm to vast swathes of the country. However April is proving to be a deadly month, with more than 250 people already killed and more than 600 wounded, according to an AFP count based on reports from security officials.

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-world/twin-suicide-attacks-kill-55-in-baghdad-20090424-ai54.html

Malaysia will add more teeth to sharia courts

25 Apr 2009, 0128 hrs IST, PTI

KUALA LUMPUR: Malay- sian government is planning to empower the sharia courts in the country to make it more effective, so as to change the perception that penalties imposed under the law were far too light, reports said.

Minister in the PM’s Department Datuk Jamil Khir Baharom said along with measures to empower the sharia courts, efforts would also focus on enhancing effectiveness of religious enforcement agencies.

“The main focus of these efforts was to ensure that the implementation of whipping as a punishment under shariah would be carried out flawlessly,” the minister said on Thursday.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Malaysia-to-empower-sharia-courts/articleshow/4446354.cms

[But everyone *knows* that ONLY extremists and Islamophobes talk about whippings in Sharia LOLZ - that only happens in Taliban country! 'Moderate' Islamic countries like say, Malaysia would never do that....]

France: Parents arrested for violently preventing their children from Westernizing

France: Parents arrested for violently preventing their children from Westernizing

It started off as a simple runaway case.  Monday, around 1pm in Meximieux, two sisters aged 15 and 18, of Turkish origin, were reported missing.

The Meximieux police found their two hours later, but their investigation did not end there.  They discovered that the two sisters were regularly subjected to violence by their parents, who did not accept their wish not to live according to their very rigorous life principles.  Fundamentalist Muslims, the parents do not tolerate seeing them in Western clothing, visiting friends, or pursuing their studies.  They were also forbidden to watch French television.

The parents initially denied even the simple practice of religion, but later admitted to the facts and violence.

They will be tried by the court for violence by a person of authority towards a minor.

http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2009/04/france-parents-arrested-for-violently.html

Taliban Attack, Kill Christians in Pakistan Town
By Ethan Cole
Christian Post Reporter
Sun, Apr. 26 2009 09:04 AM EDT
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Masked Taliban militants attacked and killed at least one Christian and injured dozens of others this past week in a Christian colony in Karachi, Pakistan’s largest city, according to local media.

Irfan Masih, 11, was shot execution style by the Taliban and died in the hospital, the government of Sindh province confirmed, according to Pakistan Christian Post on Friday. Meanwhile, Imran Masih and Qadoos Masih, who were also shot, are in critical condition in the hospital.

More than 100 Taliban militants with machine guns had reportedly attacked the Christian colony in Taiser town on April 21. A few days prior to the attack, the group had chalked threats on local churches and on Christian homes in the town, insisting that Christian residents convert to Islam. Residents of Taiser are overwhelmingly Muslim.

When the Christians saw the threats, they organized a demonstration to call on authorities to protect their community. The police, however, refused to send officers or guards for the church.

A few days later, the Taliban came to Taiser and dragged Christians out of their homes at gunpoint. According to Pakistan Christian Post, the gunmen shouted, “You infidels have to convert to Islam or die. Why did you clean off the warnings we chalked on your church and the doors of your houses? How dare you stage a procession against the Taliban?”

In total, three churches were burned down along with dozens of Christian owned shops.

Dr. Nazir Bhatti, president of the Pakistan Christian Congress, said an attacked by the Taliban had been feared for months but no preventative action was taken.

He said the attack on Christians is “a warning bell” for the Sindh government and warned that the Taliban is planning to expand Shariah, or Islamic law, in Karachi. The Christian colony, he added, was the “first victim” of the group’s goal.

Bhatti, a well-known human rights activist, has appealed to the United States and the European Union to press the Pakistani government to stop Talibanization in the country and keep Shariah from being enforced.

Last week, President Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan approved a deal that allows Shariah to be administered by Muslim leaders with ties to the Taliban. The deal has drawn heavy criticism from those inside Pakistan as well as the international community, including the United States.

Proponents of the deal say the Taliban has agreed to stop its violent insurgencies in exchange for Shariah in the Malakand division in Pakistan’s North West Frontier Province. The region, which borders Afghanistan, is known to be a haven for terrorist groups.

Critics of the agreement, however, argue that it has emboldened the Taliban, pointing to examples such as the movement of terrorist group members into other areas of Pakistan following the deal, and the statement by a Taliban spokesman this week in which he said he welcomes Osama bin Laden to Swat valley, which the group now controls.

“This is another deeply worrying development for Christians in Pakistan,” said Andy Dipper, CEO of Christian persecution watchdog group Release, in a statement Friday. “Strict Islamic law has been introduced in Swat valley to appease the militants and the Taliban have been looking for ways to aggressively expand the rule of Shariah law.

“Today we are witnessing the dire consequence for Christians as the Taliban seek to extend their influence by force – in the biggest city in Pakistan,” he continued. “The government must act now to safeguard the freedom of all its citizens – Christian and Muslim alike – from armed extremists.”

Release partners in Pakistan confirmed that police and paramilitary forces are now protecting the Christian community following this past week’s attack.

http://christianpost.com/Intl/Persecution/2009/04/taliban-attack-kill-christians-in-pakistan-town-26/

Muslim converts accused of holy war bomb plots


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Two Muslim converts and two Turks go on trial in a bomb-proof courtroom in Düsseldorf today accused of plotting to blow up German civilians and US soldiers. “The world will burn!” boasted an intercepted e-mail sent between the accused, who are alleged to have wanted to wage an Islamic holy war in the heart of Europe.

here is a newie, in the koran it says a woman is worth 1/2 a man.
And it is even less according to the law !!!
Even worse if the victims own family appeals for leniency !!!!!!!


I hope the whole world reads this.



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A court on Wednesday halved the jail term of Syrian man who strangled to death his Jordanian wife he suspected of having had an affair with a friend, a judicial official said. The criminal court initially jailed the 29-year-old man to 15 years with hard labour for killing the 26-year-old in 2006 in Amman, but immediately reduced it to seven-and-a-half years. "The court reduced the sentence to give the man a chance to repent, considering the sensitivity of the issue," another official told AFP. The verdict can be appealed within 30 days. Murder is punishable by the death penalty in Jordan, but in the case of such murders, so-called honour killings, a court usually commutes or reduces sentences, particularly if the victim's family urges leniency. Between 15 and 20 women are murdered annually in Jordan in the name of honour. Last year, around 17 such killings were recorded. Parliament has refused to reform the penal code to ensure harsher penalties.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/honour-killing-murderers-jail-term-halved-20090430-annx.html

Poor Muslim Women.

Death toll from twin Iraq car bombs rises to 51


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The death toll from twin car bomb blasts in a crowded Baghdad market rose to 51 Thursday, police said, and the country's main Sunni political party condemned the attack on a heavily Shi'ite Muslim area. The car bombs Wednesday, which also wounded 76 people in the capital's sprawling Sadr City slum, followed a series of other attacks in the past two weeks that have stirred fears of a return to broader sectarian bloodshed in Iraq. A third car bomb was found in a parked taxi cab and detonated by security forces.

Another day another ...

here's a good one, even by their standards .........



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A VIDEOTAPE showing a member of the United Arab Emirates royal family torturing a man is jeopardising a multi-billion-dollar nuclear power deal between the US and the Gulf kingdom. The 45-minute tape shows a man the Government of Abu Dhabi has acknowledged is Sheik Issa bin Zayed al-Nahyan - one of 22 royal brothers of the UAE President and Abu Dhabi Crown Prince - mercilessly and repeatedly beating a man with a cattle prod and a nailed board, burning his genitals and driving his Mercedes over him several times. He is assisted in the torture by a uniformed policeman.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25415442-2703,00.html

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The 45-minute tape shows a man the Government of Abu Dhabi has acknowledged is Sheik Issa bin Zayed al-Nahyan - one of 22 royal brothers of the UAE President

I'm sorry, this is just not possible - UAE are 'moderate muslims'. They don't do that sort of thing.

The folly of allowing sharia/islam exist anywhere



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TURBANED Taliban militants have seized government buildings, laid mines and fought security forces in the Swat Valley, as fear of a major operation led thousands to pack their belongings on their heads and backs, cram aboard buses and flee the northwestern region. The collapse of a three-month-old truce with the Taliban means Pakistan will now have to fight to regain control of the Swat Valley, testing the ability of its stretched military and the resolve of civilian leaders who until recently were insisting the insurgents could be partners in peace. The government feared the refugee exodus could reach half a million people. The developments on Tuesday brought Islamabad's faltering campaign against militancy into sharp focus as President Asif Ali Zardari was preparing to hold talks with President Barack Obama in Washington on how best to counter an increasingly overlapping spectrum of extremist groups behind surging violence here and in neighbouring Afghanistan. Complicating matters, some of these groups have enjoyed support from Pakistan's intelligence services. "We need to put the most heavy possible pressure on our friends in Pakistan to join us in the fight against the Taliban and its allies,'' Richard Holbrooke, the US special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, said in Washington. "We cannot succeed in Afghanistan without Pakistan's support and involvement.'' Pakistan has waged several offensives in the border region against al-Qaeda and Taliban militants in recent years. Most have ended inconclusively or with peace deals amid public anger over civilian casualties and distaste for taking on fellow Muslims. The army has long focused on the threat posed by longtime rival India and is not used to the demands of guerrilla warfare. Fearing that war could consume the region, thousands fled the main Swat town of Mingora on Tuesday, witnesses said. Refugees clambered onto the roofs of buses after seats and floors filled up. Children and adults alike carried belongings on their heads and backs. "I do not have any destination. I only have an aim - to escape from here,'' said Afzal Khan, 65, who was waiting for a bus with his wife and nine children. "It is like doomsday here. It is like hell.'' Shafi Ullah, a student, said the whole town was fleeing. "Can you hear the explosions? Can you hear the gunshots?'' he said, pointing to a part of town where fighting was continuing. It is far from certain that the Pakistani public has the stomach for a long battle in Swat. Given that the militants have had time to rest and reinforce their positions in the three months since the truce took effect, any operation would involve fierce fighting in an urban setting and almost certainly cause significant civilian casualties and damage to property. In recent days, however, there have been signs of a turn in mood against the Taliban. Many commentators now say the movement's true nature was exposed by its refusal to go along with the peace deal despite the government's best efforts. Pakistan agreed to a truce in the valley and surrounding districts in February after two years of fighting with militants who had beheaded political opponents and burned scores of girls schools in their campaign to implement a harsh brand of Islam modelled on their counterparts in Afghanistan. As part of the agreement, the government imposed Islamic law last month in the hope that insurgents would lay down their arms - something they did not do. Last week, the Taliban moved from their stronghold in the valley into Buner, a district just 97km from the capital. That caused alarm at home and abroad. The army responded with an offensive it says has killed more than 100 militants and was "progressing smoothly'' on Tuesday, according to a brief statement. Fighting, which had been rising in Swat in recent days, escalated on Tuesday in Mingora and the neighbouring town of Saidu Sharif, according to Associated Press reporters in the towns and an army statement. There were no immediate reports of casualties. Black-turbaned militants were deployed on most streets and on high buildings in Mingora, and security forces were barricaded in their bases. Khushal Khan, the top administrator in Swat, said insurgents were laying mines in the town to hinder any army advance. Late Tuesday, several dozen militants surrounded a police residential compound and an adjoining station in Saidu Sharif after occupying the offices of the police chief and the civil administration, said an officer who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information. "The limited forces inside the police building cannot survive for long unless the militants are engaged from outside,'' he said from inside the station. "We are in war conditions and need reinforcements and supplies.'' Mian Iftikhar Hussain, the information minister for the North West Frontier Province, said up to 500,000 people were expected to flee the valley. Swat is already struggling to house half a million people driven there by fighting from other northwestern regions over the last year....

tallowood wrote on Apr 27^th, 2009 at 11:25pm:

Muslim converts accused of holy war bomb plots Quote: Two Muslim converts and two Turks go on trial in a bomb-proof courtroom......

There ain't no such animal.

Place a bomb inside this 'bomb-proof' courtroom, detonate it, and then we'll see how bomb proof it is.






Here is a nice YOUTUBE for ya's all....

Holy Koran Numa Numa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vipcEgB8DtM

The pinnacle of islam society- muslims murdering muslims.

All in the name of allan




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A MORTAR shell has hit a mosque in Somalia's capital, killing at least 14 people and raising the toll from days of clashes between Islamist militants and government forces to 39, witnesses say. "The mortar shell struck at the gate of the mosque. I counted about 14 people who died instantly and 10 others were wounded,'' Hassan Abdifatah, a worshipper at the mosque in southern Mogadishu said. Several other witnesses confirmed the attack. "I was inside the mosque when I heard a heavy explosion and shrapnel was flying everywhere killing many people,'' Mumin Haji Yusuf, another worshipper, said. The fighting erupted on Thursday, with a lull the following day, then escalated on Saturday as the two sides battled for control over key positions in war-ravaged Mogadishu. The Islamist rebels said they had taken control of contested areas in southern Mogadishu, but the government dismissed the claim. "We have taken control of the ares we fought over with the enemy of Allah,'' Sheikh Ali Mahmoud, the rebel Islamist official in charge of Mogadishu, said. Mahmoud claimed the rebels had taken control of Mogadishu stadium, the defence ministry building and a key road all in the south of the seaside city. But at a news conference, Information Minister Farhan Mohamoud said the insurgents "did not take any position from the government forces''.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25459657-954,00.html

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A Saudi judge has told a seminar on domestic violence that it is OK for a man to slap his wife for lavish spending, a newspaper has reported. Jeddah judge Hamad al-Razine gave the example of overspending to buy a high-end abaya, the head-to toe black shroud Saudi women have to wear in public, as justifying a smack for one's wife, Arab News said. "If a person gives 1200 riyals ($US320) to his wife and she spends 900 riyals to purchase an abaya from a brand shop, and if her husband slaps her on the face as a reaction to her action, she deserves that punishment," he said. The judge's remarks sparked an outcry at the seminar on the role of judicial and security officials in preventing domestic violence, the paper reported. The seminar was attended by officials as well as activists on domestic violence, including representatives of the National Family Safety Programme. Razine acknowledged the depth of the problem of domestic violence, until recently not acknowledged as a serious issue in the ultra-conservative Muslim country, where family problems traditionally remained behind closed doors. Saudi women have in the past few years become more vocal about the problem of husbands beating wives and fathers mistreating children. But Razine said some of the blame must be shouldered by wives for their behaviour. "Nobody puts even a fraction of the blame on them," he said, according to the report.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/slap-your-wife-if-she-splashes-the-cash-judge-20090511-azdr.html


What crap has the muzzies here said about saudi being so much safer ??
men rule the cutter there. It's all hidden. rapes, beatings, slavery ...
Noone reports it, for fear of the islamic law.

lots of fighting here amongst muslims.
maybe abu can enlighten us on it all ?



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Font Size: Decrease Increase Print Page: Print May 18, 2009 Article from:  The Australian MOGADISHU: Somali extremist rebels last night captured the home town of President Sharif Sheikh Ahmed in a blow for fledgling government forces scrambling to contain an insurgent onslaught. The Islamist fighters seized Jowhar, 90km north of the capital, Mogadishu, and took full control in just under two hours of heavy fighting. The town was taken as militants pounded Mogadishu in one of the worst clashes in recent months. More than 100 people were killed and at least 30,000 displaced in the clashes in Mogadishu that started on May 7. "The Shebab forces have taken full control of Johwar," said Ali Moalim Hassan, a town elder, adding that other Islamist militia backing the Government had deserted. Somali Deputy Transport Minister Mohamed Dhere said that he had heard Jowhar had fallen to rebels. "We are also getting information that the hard-line miscreants took control of Jowhar," Mr Dhere said in Mogadishu. Witness and town elder Abdikarim Adan said Shebab militants heavily armed with machineguns were patrolling the streets. "They also took control of the police headquarters and we don't see the other opposing fighters. I think they fled," he said. Several witnesses said four people had been killed in the fighting in Jowhar. Both sides used heavy machineguns and anti-aircraft weapons. Fresh clashes broke out in the capital between government forces and hard-line Islamist rebels, killing at least three people. "Several mortar shells struck near the police headquarters and they are coming from the hardline fighters' positions," police colonel Adukar Farah said. Government forces countered the offensive with heavy artillery shells which hit some civilian residential areas. Mr Dhere said the Mogadishu police headquarters came under attack just before Mr Sharif was due to visit, forcing the event to be called off. One of the main Islamist opposition leaders joined the troubled transitional Government at the weekend, boosting its morale. Yusuf Mohamed Siad, a former ally of hardline opposition leader Hassan Dahir Aweys Aweys, showed up unannounced at a government-controlled zone with a dozen armoured vehicles and an unspecified number of militants. "He defected ... he is now ready to defend the Government," a government official said. One of Sheik Siad's militant commanders, Mohamed Jama, said: "We got information that Shebab fighters were preparing to attack us in order to disarm us, but we have decided to join the Government and fight them before that happens". AFP

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25498709-32682,00.html

on and on they go, where they stop, only 72 virgins will know............



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FOUR men have been arrested on charges linked with planning attacks against a synagogue and New York military bases, prosecutors said today. The men, who according to a US congressman were all born in the US, were arrested “on charges arising from a plot to detonate explosives near a synagogue in the Riverdale section of the Bronx, New York,” according to the complaint filed at a White Plains, New York federal court. The group, residing in New York, where al-Qa'ida extremists with hijacked commercial airliners destroyed the World Trade Centers on September 11, 2001, also “planned to shoot down military planes located at the New York Air National Guard Base at Stewart Airport in Newburgh, New York, with Stinger surface-to-air guided missiles,” officials said. They were set to appear in federal court in White Plains, New York today. The charges hold a minimum sentence of 25 years in prison to a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. Three of the men were of Arabic descent and one of Haitian descent, according to New York Governor David Paterson. They all used Arab aliases. New York Representative Peter King said the men were Muslim and that some had converted to Islam in prison. The suspects - identified as James Cromitie, also known as Abdul Rahman; David Williams, also known as Daoud or simply DL; Onta Williams, also known as Hamza; and Laguerre Payen, also known as Amin and Almondo - had been tracked for over a year, officials said. To obtain weapons, the defendants dealt with an FBI informant, who provided the group “with an inactive missile and inert explosives,” officials said. According to the complaint in June 2008 when a Federal Bureau of Investigations informant met with Cromitie in Newburgh, New York, the suspect explained his anger over the US-led war in Afghanistan. At that time Cromitie “expressed an interest in 'doing something to America'," the complaint said. Beginning in October 2008, the informant began meeting with Cromitie regularly along with David Williams, Onta Williams and Payen at a house in which the FBI had concealed video and audio equipment. The group “expressed desire” to attack targets in New York, and Cromitie “asked the informant to supply surface-to-air guided missiles and explosives, according to prosecutors. In April this year the group agreed on the synagogue they intended to attack and proceeded to conduct surveillance, including taking photographs of the warplanes at the military base. “As alleged in the complaint, the defendants wanted to engage in terrorist attacks,” said acting US attorney Lev L Dassin. “Fortunately, the defendants sought the assistance of a witness cooperating with the government. While the weapons provided to the defendants were fake, the defendants thought they were absolutely real,” Dassin added. New York Congressman Peter King told CNN television that the attacks would have involved exploding bombs in cars parked outside the Jewish temple and a community centre. “This would have been a tragic loss of life if the FBI and the NYPD (New York Police Department) had not been monitoring it.” King said he believed all four of the men were born in the US, and that they were all Muslim. “One is of Afghan descent,” he said, adding that some of the group converted to Islam in prison. “Thank God for the NYPD and it shows what a real threat we face from homegrown terrorists, and it shows especially those of us living in New York, we live with this every day,” he said. “We can rest secured tonight because this plot was stopped but we don't know how many others are out there, and it's why we can never let our guard down and we have to be extremely vigilant and realize the true diabolic nature of this enemy.”

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25516657-2703,00.html

word up abu

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The Taliban left so many mutilated bodies at the crossing - some hanging from trees with threatening notes - that Pakistanis in the Swat Valley's main town took to calling it "bloody intersection". On Sunday, the army said that spot and seven other major crossings in Mingora were secured, part of street-by-street urban fighting whose success is considered critical to flushing out the militants from the valley as a whole. The advances in Swat came as helicopter gunships pounded alleged militant hide-outs in a nearby tribal region, killing at least 18 people, while police announced the arrest of a militant commander and six other Taliban fighters elsewhere in the northwest. The events underscored how widespread and entrenched militant activity is along Pakistan's rugged region bordering Afghanistan, and how pushing the Taliban out of Swat is unlikely to defuse the overall insurgency beleaguering the nuclear-armed Muslim nation.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/taliban-left-mutilated-bodies-in-trees-20090525-bjrz.html

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THE battle for the Somali capital of Mogadishu has entered its second day. Witnesses say three were killed and 30 wounded in clashes between government forces and Muslim insurgents who have taken control of key neighbourhoods in recent weeks. A human rights group says more than 50 have been killed and more than 180 wounded. In the battered central Somalia town of Dusa Marreb Sufi clerics, with their imams being murdered, are now doing what many other men have chosen to do in anarchic Somalia: they have picked up guns to fight back against the Shabab, one of the most fearsome extremist Muslim groups in Africa. "Clan wars, political wars; we were always careful to stay out of those," said Sheik Omar Mohamed Farah, a Sufi leader. "But this time, it was religious." In the past few months, a new axis of conflict has opened up in Somalia, essentially a nation without a central government and ripped apart by rival clans since the ouster of president Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991. Now, in a definitive shift, fighters from different clans are forming alliances and battling one another along religious lines, with deeply devout men on both sides charging into fire-fights with checkered head scarves and assault rifles. It is a Muslim-versus-Muslim war, and the Sufi scholars are part of a broader moderate Islamist movement that Western nations are counting on to repel Somalia's increasingly powerful extremists. .Whether Somalia becomes a terrorist incubator and a genuine regional threat — which is already beginning to happen, as hundreds of heavily armed foreign jihadists flock here to fight for the Shabab — or whether this country finally steadies itself and ends the years of hunger, misery and bloodshed may hinge on who wins these battles in the next few months, If Mogadishu falls, Somalia will be dragged deeper into the violent morass. But out on the windswept plains of Somalia's central region, the moderates are holding their own and the newly minted Sufi militia is about the only local group to go toe-to-toe with the Shabab and win The several-hundred-square-kilometre patch of central Somalia that the Sufis control is not nearly as strategic as Mogadishu. But the Sufis have achieved what the transitional government has not: grassroots support, which explains how they were able to move so quickly from being a bunch of men who had never squeezed a trigger — a rarity in Somalia — to being a cohesive fighting force backed by local clans. "We see the Sufis as part of us," said Elmi Hersi Arab, an elder in Dusa Marreb. "They grew up here." According to aid agencies, two weeks of fierce clashes have displaced 46,000 people from Mogadishu, a city ravaged by 18 years of almost uninterrupted civil conflict and emptied of hundreds of thousands of residents by the violent fighting that erupted in the Horn of Africa nation following Ethiopia's 2006 invasion.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/somali-clerics-take-up-arms-against-extremists-20090524-bjfs.html?page=2

this ones just media gagging by an islamic stste - nothing new.


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The Iranian Government has blocked access to the social networking site Facebook ahead of the presidential election next month. An Iranian news agency suggested the move was aimed at stopping the supporters of the reformist presidential candidate, Mir Hossein Mousavi, from using the site for his campaign. Saturday was the official start of campaigning ahead of the June 12 election during which a number of influential clerics call for fairness in the use of state controlled TV and radio to support campaigning. Within 24 hours Facebook said it had received reports that its website had been blocked in Iran because according to the newsagency supporters of Mir Hossein Mousavi were using it to better disseminate the candidate's positions. Mr Mousavi has had several thousand supporters sign up to his Facebook page on which he has denounced the current government writing that it has dishonoured Iranians across the world.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/24/2579324.htm

So? Australia has laws against hentai sites cause apparently that constitutes as child pornography.

At the very least you cannot claim to be any better then Iran.

jim - there are those of us who want to protect the young innocents from the sexuality of depraved older people (normally men).

"In the home of the free and the land of the brave ............"



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TWO leaders of what was once the largest Muslim charity in the US have been sentenced to 65 years in jail for supporting Palestinian militants. The Texas-based Holy Land Foundation and five of its leaders were convicted late last year of funnelling more than $US12 million to Hamas in the largest terror financing case in US history. Jurors returned guilty verdicts on 108 charges of providing material support to terrorists, money laundering and tax fraud. “These sentences should serve as a strong warning to anyone who knowingly provides financial support to terrorists under the guise of humanitarian relief,” said David Kris, assistant US attorney general for national security. Holy Land chief executive officer Shukri Abu Baker, whose brother Jamal Issa is the head of Hamas operations in Yemen, was sentenced to 65 years in jail. Chairman and cofounder Ghassan Elashi, who is related by marriage to Hamas political leader Mousa Abu Marzook, received the same sentence. “I would like to declare my innocence of all the charges,” said a defiant Elashi, who called the case an “unjust political prosecution.” Holy Land cofounder Mohammad El-Mezain, a cousin of Marzook, and Abdulrahman Odeh, the charity's New Jersey representative, both received 15 years. The two men declared they were innocent in remarks to the judge and courtroom. Fundraiser Mufid Abdulqader, brother of Hamas political leader Khaled Meshaal, received 20 years. “I do acknowledge the verdict in this trial,” Abdulqader said during the sentencing hearing. .............

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25550921-15084,00.html

Of course muslims do not acknowledge the legal court of america.
It is not islamic and never will be.
Same as aussie.

this is how islamics treat aid workers



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Edwin Dyer executed, says Al-Qaeda THERE was "strong reason to believe" a British hostage had been executed by an al-Qaeda cell in Mali, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said, calling it a "barbaric act". "We have strong reason to believe that a British citizen, Edwin Dyer, has been murdered by an al-Qaeda cell in Mali. I utterly condemn this appalling and barbaric act of terrorism," Mr Brown said. "This tragedy reinforces our commitment to confront terrorism. It strengthens our determination never to concede to the demands of terrorists, nor to pay ransoms." The Al-Qaeda in Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) cell killed Mr Dyer on May 31, saying Britain had been "unresponsive" to its demands, according to the SITE Intelligence Group. SITE said Mr Dyer was kidnapped in Niger on January 22, but he was believed to have been held in Mali. Al-Qaeda had on May 21 extended a deadline on its threat to kill Mr Dyer, giving the British government more time to respond to its demand to release Muslim cleric Abu Qatada, once regarded as Osama bin Laden's right-hand man in Europe. Mr Brown warned that those who took such action against British citizens would be pursued "relentlessly" and "that they will meet the justice they deserve". "I have regularly discussed this case with the President of Mali - he knows that he will have every support in rooting out al-Qaeda from his country," Mr Brown added. He also pledged "every possible support" for Mr Dyer's family.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25582107-12377,00.html

'nother assassaination.



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[The head of Iraq's Sunni parliamentary bloc has been assassinated at a mosque in the capital, in an attack that has killed at least four other people. Harith al-Obaidi, a human-rights advocate, was shot as he left a mosque in the Yarmouk area of western Baghdad. Iraqi police said a teenager carried out the attack. He was shot dead by a guard as he tried to escape. Prime Minister Nouri Maliki has said violence is likely to increase before Iraq's general election next year. Mr Obaidi was the leader of Iraq's Accordance Front. A university professor with a doctorate in Islam, he had just finished delivering the sermon at Friday prayers. Iraqi police said the youth opened fire as worshippers began to leave the mosque, killing Mr Obaidi and one of his body guards. He then threw a hand grenade to cover his escape, causing further casualties. The BBC's Jim Muir in Baghdad says the assumption will be that this attack was carried out by insurgents from Mr Obeidi's own Sunni community, who have often targeted Sunnis involved with the government.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8097556.stm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 14^th, 2009 at 12:40pm:

'nother assassaination. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8097556.stm

This has little to do with 'Muslims being Muslims' as it is sectarian violence in the context of a civil war. When the US stupidly destroyed Sunni hegemony in Iraq, the Iranians could not have been more elated. Their old enemy was gone and the Shia majority in Iraq were united with their Persian brothers in Iran... They were the biggest winners out of the war and they didn't have to fire a shot or lose a soldier - so no cost and no body bags to explain to grieving Iranians.

Not surprising that the Iranians believe all they need to do now is mop up the remaining Sunni leadership to finish the job.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090615/od_nm/us_musicians MUSICIANS ATTACKED AT WEDDING Mon Jun 15, 2009 JALALABAD, Afghanistan (Reuters) – Taliban fighters beat musicians, shaved their heads and left them tied to trees overnight because they performed at an Afghan wedding, a village tribal chief said Monday, a sign of the fighters' growing influence. While in power from 1996-2001, the Taliban banned music as un-Islamic. The militants have returned to areas in the east and south of the country, where violence has sharply spiked in recent years. They attack government officials, Afghan police, foreign troops and schools that teach girls, another practice they forbid. "A party was going on when a group of Taliban grabbed five musicians and started beating them and smashing their musical instruments," said Rahmatullah Khan, a head of Merke Khel village in the east of the country. "The musicians were tied up with rope to trees last night and villagers found them in the morning when going out for prayers," Khan said. Khan said Taliban fighters shaved the heads of the musicians and made them take oaths in the presence of villagers that they would not sing or play music at weddings again. Afghan weddings and engagement parties in rural areas are traditionally celebrated with hundreds of guests, music and singing that often continues until late at night. (Reporting by Rafiq Sherzad; Writing by Hamid Shalizi)

The only good thing out of this, villagers can resent their oppressors and revolt or help allied forces to find them and eliminate.

After all local folk know a bit, only matter which side they take and if they are prepared to talk.

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A Taliban suicide bomber blew himself up near an army vehicle Friday, killing at least two soldiers in the first such assault in Pakistan's part of divided Kashmir, marking an escalation in the militant campaign against security forces

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hkiMxbHNH0BqgpWA2ZG6VD6wVTmAD9929N480

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/07/2618560.htm?section=justin IRAQ INSURGENTS 'PROUD TO BE ON TERRORISM LIST' An Iraq-based Shiite insurgent group rejoiced at the US Government's decision to designate it a foreign terrorism organisation, calling it a point of pride, a US militant monitor said. Just days after Kata'ib Hizballah was designated a foreign terrorist group by US President Barack Obama's administration, the group posted a triumphant message on a Shiite jihadist forum praising the move, according to SITE Intelligence. "It is an invitation to pride that the children of Hezbollah Brigade be put on the list that frightens the occupation, chases them and plants terror in their hearts," SITE described the message as saying. "Classifying us on the American terror list means that we are still marching on the right path," it said. The designation for the group, which the United States believes is linked to Lebanon's Hezbollah, means its assets will be frozen and Americans will be prohibited from providing it with any resources. Washington blames the group for numerous bomb and other attacks in Iraq, including a November 2008 rocket attack that killed two United Nations workers. Reuters

Twisted sense of pride, but only not from their perspective.

A womans lot under islam.


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A HIGH profile Sudanese woman journalist is facing 40 lashes after being accused of wearing "indecent" clothes, with 10 women already whipped for similar offences against Islamic law. Lubna Ahmed al-Hussein, who writes for the left-wing Al-Sahafa newspaper and works for the media department of the United Nations Mission in Sudan, was arrested in Khartoum last week and charged with dressing indecently. Ms Hussein said she was at a restaurant on July 3 when police came in and ordered women wearing trousers to follow them to the police station. "They took away me and 12 other young women, including southerners," she said, referring to women from Sudan's animist and Christian south where the Muslim north's Islamic or sharia law does not apply. "Two days later, 10 of them were summoned to the police station in downtown Khartoum and given 10 lashes each," Ms Hussein said. The remaining three women, including Ms Hussein, have been charged under Sudanese law with "committing an indecent act or one which violates public morality or wearing indecent clothes". If convicted, they face a mandatory 40 lashes. Ms Hussein said she did not know when her case would be heard. "I want people to know what happened," she said. Unlike some countries in the region, particularly in the Gulf, women have a prominent place in Sudanese public life. Nevertheless, human rights organisations say that some laws discriminate against women.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25777042-5003402,00.html

I bet 40 lashes of their whip would make many people faint. At the least.

This is not just another example of the violence of muslims.
This happened in USA. A secular democratic country.
Evict them from every secular country.
They add nothing anywhere and do not assimilate.




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For Chancey Bailey, one of the most respected black journalists in America, last Friday's trip to work should have been like any other. The editor of the Oakland Post was strolling down the pavement in Oakland, a mostly black city next to San Francisco. Bailey, 57, lived just a few blocks away. Suddenly, a man dressed in black and wearing a mask appeared. Shots rang out and Bailey collapsed from three bullet wounds. He was dead before an ambulance arrived; the apparent victim of an assassination. Bailey's murder has shocked the San Francisco Bay Area. It has also rippled out into the rest of America as the country comes to grips with the daylight murder of a senior newspaper editor. There is little doubt that Bailey was executed. It was the kind of ruthless murder more likely to be found on the streets of Moscow than northern California. "This was no random act," said Sergeant Derwin Longmire, an Oakland police spokesman. Bailey's routine was well-known and it is likely that his killer had been monitoring his movements for some time before he struck. After the shooting, the killer was picked up by a van. The reason that Bailey was killed appears to lie with the secretive and shadowy black Muslim sect in Oakland that Bailey was investigating. A day after he died, a series of dramatic police raids unfolded across the city, aimed at a group of Islamists centred on a business called Your Black Muslim Bakery. The bakery was the centrepiece of a business empire founded by Yusef Bey, a black Muslim leader in Oakland whose followers preached a strict message of Islam and black political power. Bey's followers have long been the subject of intense police and media scrutiny for their alleged use of strong-arm tactics in promoting their business interests and also shutting down stores that sold alcohol. Bey was also stridently anti-homosexual and awaited trial on 27 counts of sex crimes when he died of cancer in 2003. Bailey had written articles about Your Muslim Black Bakery and was believed to be working on further investigations when he was killed. He had recently been making enquiries in the black business community about the bakery's finances. His colleagues also told police he had recently received death threats because of his journalistic work, but had not been specific about their source. The raids ended with seven arrests and the discovery of a cache of weapons and ammunition. Police said initial findings had linked some of the weapons to Bailey's case. "The search warrant yielded several weapons and other evidence of value linking the murder of Chauncey Bailey to members of Your Muslim Black Bakery," said assistant police chief Howard Jordan. Jordan said the raids had been part of a year-long probe that was investigating charges of murder, kidnapping and other crimes. A simple shrine of flowers and notes now marks the spot where Bailey died. There is a large stuffed bear and poster boards for people to leave messages. His death has stunned colleagues and ordinary Americans who are unused to the murder of journalists. The last reporter killed in America "in the line of duty" was a photo editor in Florida who died as a result of the anthrax postal murders in 2001.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/islam/news/article.cfm?c_id=500817&objectid=10455979

on and on it goes, all in support of mohammad .
remember, in islam, the more extreme one is, the more religious one is.





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IRAN hanged some members of a Sunni rebel group in a volatile southeastern area today, but they were put to death in prison and not in public as initially planned, the semi-official Fars News Agency said. Fars had reported yesterday that 14 members of Jundollah (God's soldiers) would be executed in a park in the city of Zahedan, including the brother of its leader Abdolmalek Rigi. But Ebrahim Hamidi, who heads the judiciary in Sistan-Baluchestan province, said today the executions took place in a jail instead and that Rigi's brother would be put to death later in the week. He did not say how many were hanged. Predominantly Shi'ite Muslim Iran says Jundollah is part of the Sunni Islamist al-Qaeda network and backed by the US, Tehran's arch foe. "This morning the executions of some members of the Jundollah terrorist group ... were carried out in prison," Mr Hamidi told Fars. "The hanging sentence for Abdolhamid Rigi ... will be implemented by the end of the week." "Previously the hanging sentences for these convicts were supposed to be carried out in public, but based on final decisions the sentences were carried out in prison," Mr Hamidi said without giving a reason. Jundollah says it fights for the rights of Iran's minority Sunnis. Most people in Sistan-Baluchestan are Sunni Muslims and ethnic Baluchis. Zahedan is the provincial capital. Yesterday, Fars said the Jundollah members sentenced to hang were convicted of mohareb, or one who is waging war against God, and of killing innocent people. It did not mention a mosque bombing in Zahedan which killed 25 people in May. Saudi-owned Al Arabiya television had reported that Jundollah claimed the bombing. On May 30, three people convicted of involvement in the mosque bombing were hanged in public. A day later clashes broke out between supporters and opponents of a Sunni cleric in Zahedan and six people died in an arson attack, media reported.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25781618-5012764,00.html

they are coming thick and fast.




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A pro-government militiaman has been killed and six other people have been injured in separate explosions in the southern Philippines, police say. Shortly before noon on Monday, suspects aboard a motorcycle tossed a fragmentation grenade into a busy street in downtown Cotabato city, local police chief Senior Superintendent Willie Dangane said. Six people, including a police officer, were hurt. One of them is said to be in a critical condition in hospital, Dangane said. Four hours earlier, a pro-government militiaman was killed when a powerful improvised explosive device was set off in front of a military detachment in the town of Upi, near Cotabato, the military said. No one has claimed responsibility for Monday's attacks but military spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan Ponce said they suspected the separatist Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) was behind the explosions. A so-called "special operations group" of the MILF was blamed for a series of bombings that hit the volatile southern region early this month, killing at least eight and wounding over 100 others. The MILF broke a five-year-old ceasefire in August last year, carrying out simultaneous attacks across Mindanao after a proposed land deal with the government was rejected by the courts. Fighting that followed has since triggered a humanitarian crisis, with over half a million displaced and scores of civilians and fighters killed.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/philippine-blasts-kill-one-injure-six-20090720-dqfm.html

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 20^th, 2009 at 3:51pm:

[quote]No one has claimed responsibility for Monday's attacks but military spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan Ponce said they suspected the separatist Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) was behind the explosions.

Moro Islamic Liberation Front - ha ha

"bugger off.... we're the Islamic Liberation Front of Moro"

But apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the West ever done for us?

muslims repeat their history in miniature

"2 hours ago

PATTANI, Thailand — Drive-by shootings blamed on Muslim rebels killed three civilians in southern Thailand, where an insurgency has left thousands dead in the past five years, an army spokesman said Monday."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5guauYLE276BD0kT3niXlvoHEqYawD99I4BR80

it's more muslim madness to allow terririst schools to operate.
They want to kill us all off. That's the only conclusion I can come to.



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INDONESIA will continue to live with the threat of terror attacks unless its government cracks down on the militant Islamic schools and religious zealots who espouse worldwide jihad. Last Friday's hotel bombings in Jakarta have focused attention yet again on a network of radical Islamic boarding schools across Indonesia that continues to espouse the cause of violent jihad and churn out eager young zealots willing to die in its name. Four days after the bombings, investigators have linked them to two Islamic schools that are well known to the Indonesian authorities but have neither been shut down nor had their activities or teachings curtailed. The first of these is the now notorious Al Mukmin pesantren (boarding house) at Ngruki in Solo, Central Java, where the Marriott suicide bomber is reported to have been schooled. The second is a smaller school at Cilacap in Central Java, where a bomb identical to the hotel bombs used in Jakarta was found in July, and which is believed to have provided shelter to suspected mastermind Noordin Top. A Muslim leader in Jakarta yesterday identified the man who detonated a backpack and case full of explosives inside the Marriott restaurant as Nur Hasbi, who is believed to have graduated from the Ngruki school in 1995. Thus the school continues to live up to its reputation as "a crucible for the formation of cadres of mujahidin", and its mission, "to nurture zeal for jihad so that love for jihad and martyrdom grow in the soul of the mujahidin", in the words of its co-founder, Jemaah Islamiah leader, Abu Bakar Bashir. Nur Hasbi was no doubt inspired by his reported classmate, Asmar Latin Sani, who carried out the previous attack on the Marriott in 2003, after which his severed head was found on the fifth floor of the smashed hotel. The connection is no coincidence. The Ngruki school and others linked to JI -- chiefly the Darul Syahadah ("house of martyrs") and Al Muttaqin schools, both in Central Java -- have produced no less than dozens of young recruits linked to a string of terrorist attacks, starting with the first Bali bombings in 2002. "The most common link between participants in the terrorist movement in Indonesia in the past 10 years has been attendance at those schools," says Ken Ward, a former senior analyst with the Office of National Assessments, who has worked on in a project tracing terrorist networks in Southeast Asia, in conjunction with the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York.........

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25810389-5013479,00.html



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........Noor Huda Ismail, a graduate of Abu Bakar Bashir's pesantran in Ngruki that has been the breeding ground for so many violent jihadists, says some of those who protect Noordin are not necessarily advocates of mass casualty attacks. "Even if they don't agree with everything he does, they respect him as a fighter," he said. "Of course, others just see him as a hero of Islam." .........

http://www.smh.com.au/world/marriage-and-children--life-on-the-run-for-a-jihadist-bomber-20090720-dqv8.html


SO, mass murderers are (of course) heroes of islam AND though some may disagree with the mass murderers, they will still protect the mass murdering muslims.

can the nutter muslims imagine any other way to ostracize themselves from the free world ?
just gave free advertising to a movie that had sunk from sight AND showed themselves again for being what they are.



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SACHA Baron Cohen has been forced to tighten security around himself and Australian partner Isla Fisher after threats from a terrorist group over his film Bruno. Palestinian militia coalition the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades says it is "very upset" at featuring in the movie, in which Baron Cohen appears as a gay fashionista. "We reserve the right to respond in the way we find suitable against this man," the organisation says in a letter to a Jerusalem-based journalist. "The movie was part of a conspiracy against the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades." In the film, Baron Cohen's Austrian character arranges a meeting with the organisation's Ayman Abu Aita and asks to be kidnapped so he can become famous. The scene ends abruptly when Mr Abu Aita closes his hand into a fist and orders his guest to "get out now". "This was a dirty use of our brother, Ayman, and we don't accept that the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades is part of the film," the group says. Baron Cohen has increased his security around himself, actress Fisher, and their baby daughter Olive in preparation for reprisals, London's Times newspaper reports. The organisation is a United States-designated terrorist group accused of orchestrating suicide bombings and shootings. Mr Abu Aita says he is no longer connected to the group and has threatened to sue Baron Cohen. His lawyer, Hatem Abu Ahmad, says his life is at risk for being associated with the homosexual character.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25847297-5012980,00.html

Another brave person stands against an outmoded repressive islamic regime.
The best of luck for her.




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A journalist arrested in Sudan for wearing trousers has become a symbol for women's rights across Africa. AS THE morality police crowded around her table in a Khartoum restaurant to see what she was wearing, Lubna Hussein had no idea that she was about to become a symbol for women’s rights in Sudan. She had arrived at the Kawkab Elsharq Hall on a Friday night to book a cousin’s wedding party. She left less than an hour later under arrest as a ‘‘trouser girl’’ — humiliated in front of hundreds of people, then beaten around the head in a police van before she was hauled before a court to face a likely sentence of 40 lashes for the ‘‘sin’’ of not wearing traditional Islamic dress. The officials who tried to humiliate her expected her to beg for mercy, as most of their victims do. Instead she turned the tables on them. In court tomorrow, Mrs Hussein will dare judges to have her flogged, as she makes a brave stand for women’s rights in one of Africa’s most conservative nations. She has become an overnight heroine for thousands of women in Africa and the Middle East, who are flooding her email inbox with supportive messages. To the men who feel threatened by her she is an enemy of public morals, to be denounced in the mosques and newspapers’ letter pages. As she recounted her ordeal in Khartoum at the weekend, Mrs Hussein, a widow in her late 30s who works as a journalist and United Nations press officer, managed cheerfully to crack jokes, despite the real prospect that in a couple of days she will be flogged with a camel-hair whip in a public courtyard where anyone who chooses may watch the spectacle. ‘‘Flogging is a terrible thing — very painful and a humiliation for the victim,’’ she said. ‘‘But I am not afraid of being flogged. I will not back down. ‘‘I want to stand up for the rights of women, and now the eyes of the world are on this case I have a chance to draw attention to the plight of women in Sudan.’’ She could easily have escaped punishment by claiming immunity as a UN worker, as she is entitled to under Sudanese law. Instead, she has resigned from the UN, to the confusion of judges who last Wednesday adjourned the case because they did not know what to do with her. ‘‘When I was in court I felt like a revolutionary standing before the judges,’’ she said, her eyes blazing with pride. ‘‘I felt as if I was representing all the women of Sudan.’’ Like many other women in the capital, Mrs Hussein fell foul of Sudan’s Public Order Police, hated groups of young puritans employed by the Government to confront drinkers of alcohol and women who, in their view, are insufficiently demure. Despite their claims of moral superiority, they have a reputation for dishonesty and for demanding sexual favours from the women they arrest. Mrs Hussein was one of 14 women arrested at the Kawkab Elsharq Hall, most of them detained for wearing trousers. The police had difficulty seeing what Mrs Hussein was wearing under her loose, flowing Sudanese clothes. She was wearing a headscarf and green trousers, not the jeans that she said she sometimes wears. ‘‘All the girls were forced to crouch on the floor of the pick-up with all the policemen sitting on the sides,’’ she said.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/sudanese-woman-to-dare-court-over-flogging-20090802-e5tf.html

This one is so relativelt minor it hardly warrants posting.
Unless one was one of the victims that is.


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Almas Hameed grabbed his 7-year-old daughter and stumbled out of their smoke-filled home as she pleaded in vain to bring her pet parrots. His wife, father and two other children did not survive. Outside, hundreds of enraged Muslims called the victims "dogs" as they fired guns and burned house after house in the Christian neighborhood of this eastern Pakistani city. The weekend rampage left eight Christians dead. All but one were relatives of Hameed. "We always live in fear," said Hameed, 50. "I wonder if I will see a time in this country when I can live like an equal citizen.".........

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hkiMxbHNH0BqgpWA2ZG6VD6wVTmAD99RL3N80

That one about the Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade is GOLD.

Something muslims never have, is a sense of humour.

Allah says 'No jokes please!' we take Islam seriously!

Rapist's High Court bid to keep secret
August 4, 2009 - 12:17PM

Confidential material about a Sydney cabbie who raped three female passengers is to remain secret to give him the opportunity to go to the High Court.

Hassan Nagi, 37, has pleaded guilty in the NSW District Court to raping the women, but has yet to be sentenced due to a dispute over the confidential material.

In June, Judge James Bennett ruled that a non-publication order he had made on the material should be lifted, which prompted Nagi to go to the NSW Court of Criminal Appeal.

The Appeal Court today dismissed his challenge, but "stayed" its orders and findings to give Nagi an opportunity to seek special leave to appeal to the High Court.

Justices John Basten, Robert Hulme and Peter Johnson gave Nagi 28 days to lodge his application for special leave if he intends to go to the High Court.

Nagi had admitted raping the woman, aged 31, 23, and 27, in 2003, 2006 and 2007.

Two of his victims were heavily intoxicated and on their way home when attacked.

The Appeal Court was told the confidential information became available "as a result of certain events which occurred in March 2009".

AAP

http://www.smh.com.au/national/rapists-high-court-bid-to-keep-secret-20090804-e7z9.html

calanen - I do't see that nagis case has anything to do with him being a muslim, if he is one.

More "Australian" terrorists...  Muslims.  :D  

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 4^th, 2009 at 2:27pm:

calanen - I do't see that nagis case has anything to do with him being a muslim, if he is one.

Just coincidence that yet another, member of no particular community is involved in multiple rapes. The dishonour roll is long....

nagi has not quoted from the koran to support his actions.
He has not mentioned jihad,infidel or martyrdom.
there is not mention of him being a muslim/christian/athiest/whatever.
he is by all accounts remorseful of his actions.

I think this posting is in error.

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nagi has not quoted from the koran to support his actions.

All these muslims committing rapes, at huge times the regular population - just coincidence. Got it.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 4^th, 2009 at 2:27pm:

calanen - I do't see that nagis case has anything to do with him being a muslim, if he is one.

Muslim or not, there's plenty of cabbies, black, white and brown who'd grab a free root out of a pissed slapper or two in the back seat of the cab on a late Friday night.

R v Djait, Samadi [2006] NSWDC 71

Chebli Djait
Adel Samadi

drink spiking, unlawful administration of stupefying drug, s 38 Crimes Act, s 61I Crimes Act, Clonazepam, Rivotril, coincidence evidence, theft, sexual assault.

R v Jasim ALSEEDI [2008] NSWDC 284

Sentenced to imprisonment with an effective overall sentence consisting of a non-parole period of five years and a head sentence of eight years.

Criminal law - Sentence - Indecent assault - Sexual intercourse without consent


R v I .D. & O. N. [2007] NSWDC 51

   1 Attitudes vary among the community as to what, of a very wide range of activities and ambience, is an acceptable expression of sexual interest by one party towards another. Usually the law does not seek to enter the bedroom of law abiding citizens no matter what their sexual proclivities may be. Fundamental to this tolerance is that any sexual activity must be consensual. Where consent of a party, invariably the weaker party, is absent then even a touch of another by an offender pursuing, or claiming to pursue a sexual interest becomes criminal conduct.

   2 Shortly after 8pm on 6 March 2005 two young teenage males unlawfully entered the home of a mother alone with her five year old son. During their stay these two youths robbed her at gunpoint. Worse, however, was to follow. On ten occasions she was brutally, sexually assaulted by one or other of the young persons whilst that offender was in the company of the other.

Canan EKEN v R [2007] NSWCCA 320

   10 He left the room and returned with Mr Topcu. He punched the victim hard to the head, pointed to Mr Topcu and ordered her to “suck it”. Mr Topcu sat on the bed and pulled down his pants. The applicant struck the back of her head and she fellated Mr Topcu. He punched her again forcefully around her head and shoulders, causing bruising. This gave rise to the second count, aggravated sexual assault in company with the malicious infliction of actual bodily harm.

   11 Again, the applicant left the room and returned. He kicked the victim in the back of her head while she was lying on the floor. This was the common assault the subject of the third count. He then dragged her into the lounge room, where Mr Topcu and Mr Papadopoulos were seated. He pointed to Mr Papadopoulos and ordered her to “get over there and suck it now”. He again kicked her in the back of the head. Mr Papadopoulos pulled down his jeans and she fellated him. This led to the fourth count, aggravated sexual assault, being in company.

   12 The applicant then went to the kitchen and obtained a butter knife. He returned to the lounge room and hit the victim in the back of the head with the butt of the knife, breaking the skin. This gave rise to the fifth count, another offence of assault occasioning actual bodily harm. One of the other two men stood up and said, “That’s enough.” The applicant told them to shut up and ordered the victim to go back into the bedroom and “****” Mr Papadopoulos. He and Mr Papadopoulos followed her to the room but, once inside, he left. Mr Papadopoulos had her remove her pants and lie down on the bed. He removed his own pants and had penile/vaginal intercourse with her. This led to the sixth count, another offence of aggravated sexual assault, again being in company.

R v M.A.K., R v M.S.K. [2006] NSWCCA 381

   MAK left the room and the offender entered it. He massaged TW’s head, apparently in an attempt to relax her. She told police in a recorded interview that at this stage she was “kind of totally out of it.” He then had penile/vaginal intercourse with her, again over her protests, ejaculating inside her. It was this conduct which led to the third count. That count was left to the jury on the basis that the circumstance of aggravation was either that MAK was in the offender’s company in the relevant sense, or that TW was under the age of sixteen. The verdict does not tell us which circumstance of aggravation the jury found but, clearly, both were available on the evidence.

   The offender left the room, whereupon a man who cannot be conclusively identified on the evidence came in. That man also had penile/vaginal intercourse with her against her will. Immediately prior to that act she kicked him, and he slapped her face and threatened to stab her. (The Crown did not suggest that he in fact had a knife.) The offender would not have been aware of this violent episode and, despite a submission by the Crown prosecutor to the contrary, I am not satisfied to the requisite degree that he anticipated that conduct of that kind might occur. This third incident gave rise to the fourth count, the offender again having been in company with that man in the relevant sense

Skaf, Bilal v R Skaf, Mohammed v R [2008] NSWCCA 303

Just one big coincidence. Could have been anyone. Could have been Jews, Hindus, elderly people...

But it wasn't, was it.
 

     R v Abdul Reda Al-Shawany [2007] NSWDC 141

20 Ms NH’s evidence was that after the offender had finished the second act of intercourse, and had ejaculated, he said to her words to the effect of “May your Christ benefit you now”. That seems to have been variously translated as “May your Jesus help you now.”.

112 It is a matter of the strongest inference, and indeed I think the only inference I can draw, from the accounts given by the victim, which I accept, that the offender’s motivation to sexually assault her was because either she had been reading the Bible, or a Christian Bible, or associating with Christian people, and was therefore seen in some way as being an ‘infidel’, and therefore in some way the assault on her being justified.

     Regina v Mohamed Sanoussi [2005] NSWCCA 323

At about 9:15pm on Thursday 10 August 2000 the victims, Ms A and Ms B, were at the Westfield Shopping Centre at Chatswood. Eight young males approached them, one of whom was Mohamed Sanoussi. Ms A and Ms B were engaged in conversation, offered some marijuana, a drive around and a lift to their homes. One of the males tried to shake hands with Ms A and she saw that he had a condom in his hand. The victims told the males their names.

           Ms B was forced to perform oral sex on two co-offenders and was tackled to the ground a couple of times by another co-offender.

           Ms B asked after Ms A and was told not to go to her as she was with someone. One of the other co-offenders pulled Ms B towards the toilet block by her arm and demanded that she give him a head job. She refused. Two other co-offenders came behind the toilet block. One co-offender said, “If you don’t do it worse things will happen to you.” He slapped her across the fact. She performed oral sex on one of the co-offenders. [Count 5]

Ms B was tackled to the ground by Mohamed Sanoussi. He pushed Ms B to the ground and said “Don’t make me do anything to you”. [Common Assault – Form 1]

All the boys that were left ran toward the van and drove off.

     Alseedi v R [2009] NSWCCA 185

13 The appellant said, “If you tell anyone about this, please don’t tell anyone about this”. He closed the door. Some more things were said which need not be recounted. The appellant came around to next to the complainant. He pulled her head towards him and kissed her, and then attempted to kiss her a second time. She pushed him off, and as she did he bit her lip which cut it.

14 The appellant put his hand down the complainant’s shirt and grabbed her breast and sucked her nipple (count 1), then took her hand and placed it on his erect penis outside his pants (count 2). He took her head and forced her mouth onto his penis (which had then been freed from his pants) for a few seconds, saying, “This won’t take long” (Count 3). She pushed him away, and the appellant masturbated until he ejaculated onto the carpet. These events were accompanied by various protests by the complainant, who was shocked and scared.

TK v R [2009] NSWCCA 151

Covered up so you wouldn't know who it was..but...

27 The complainant said that the incident had occurred when her mother had come to visit and had brought a gift of a large tapestry that she had made. The complainant raised the subject of where the tapestry was to be hung to which the appellant replied that he could hang it in the toilet. On the complainant’s evidence, he then pulled her head down, exposed his penis, and forced her to fellate him.

28 She then gave evidence of the incident the subject of count two, an allegation of common assault, of which the appellant was also acquitted. This was alleged to have occurred on 1 March 2003. Again, her parents were visiting. The complainant said that her father had been working in the garden and had injured himself and that she was attending to the injury. The appellant complained that she was neglecting the children. Later, the two argued about what had happened. The appellant raised his arm as though to hit her and told her she was making him angry. She ran away and telephoned the appellant’s parents, who lived nearby.

33 The complainant said that, in the course of a discussion about the family having a holiday in Sri Lanka, the appellant again became angry. She began to move out of the family room. The appellant told the children to go upstairs, followed her into the corridor, took hold of her hair with both hands, and began banging her head against the wall

     MG v R [2007] NSWCCA 57

So many, many misunderstanders of the true religion of peace.

ALRAMADAN v DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC PROSECUTIONS (NSW) [2007] NSWCCA 322

The Appellant was a medical practitioner carrying on a general practice in central New South Wales. The complainant was a female patient of the Appellant who claimed that when she visited his surgery on 8 December 2005, the Appellant administered a stupefying drug and had non-consensual intercourse with her. The Appellant was convicted by a jury of administering a stupefying drug, committing an act of indecency in circumstances of aggravation and having non-consensual intercourse in circumstances of aggravation. The Appellant was sentenced to a non-parole period of 10 years imprisonment, with a balance of 2 years.


R v Chaaban [2006] NSWCCA 107

12 Count 1, the offence of especially aggravated break, enter and steal, was also a very serious instance. This offence took place in the home of the Wormleaton family. The family were present; it was evening; Mr and Mrs Wormleaton were asleep in bed; both were blindfolded and Mr Wormleaton had his hands handcuffed behind his back; there were five offenders present; they were armed with knives and a gun; one of the offenders appropriated a machete which belonged to Mr Wormleaton and used it to cause serious injury; in lay terms his forearm bone was virtually completely severed.

13 In a victim impact statement Mr Wormleaton claimed to have lost his physical capacity ever to operate to his full potential, to have lost his business; to have become bankrupt; and to have lost all of his material possessions. He said that he now lives in rental accommodation and claims disability benefits.

14 Mr Wormleaton also referred to the effect on him, emotionally, of the knowledge that his wife and daughter had been sexually assaulted, but, of course, as Rothman J has made clear, this cannot be taken into account in relation to the sentencing of the respondent.

     Regina v Belal Hajeid [2005] NSWCCA 262

8 Thereafter the four men from the red car surrounded Ms B and demanded that she give them oral sex. The applicant grabbed her by the arm and pulled her behind the toilet block. Here he demanded that she give him a “head job”. She protested, “no, I want to go home” to which he responded, “I’ll take you home after you have given me a head job”. Again Ms B refused. She tried to walk away and she was assaulted by another man. The applicant then took hold of her and forced her behind the toilet block and onto her knees. He held her head and put his penis into her mouth and he ejaculated into her mouth. Following this he and the other men from the red car left the park.

R v Chami [2005] NSWCCA 299

7 At the Marion Street toilet block Ms C was detained and subjected to non-consensual sexual intercourse with a number of offenders. From Marion Street Ms C was taken in a black car to the Bankstown Trotting Club and other sexual offences were committed by other males. It was at the trotting club that Ms C encountered the applicant for the first time.

And that's just in the last few years. MOST of the time, the offender's name is given initials, so you cant work out who it is. I can vouch for the initialled ones in this instance as being members of the Religion of Peace.

Where are all the Jews raping people? Or all the Chinese? Or all the Hindus?

Why are all of these muslims involved in raping women?

Do muslims rape more often than non-muslims?

That'ld be a hard figure to come to.

Muslims are what, 4% of the population, but make up the overwhelming majority of rape cases in the New South Wales courts, especially gang rape. And of course there are no 'figures' about it, I had to go searching for those cases, and a large number of others are just listed as Rv AEF so you don't know who was involved.

Why are these offenders predominantly coming from the same community? A number of reasons. The first is that under Islam, women are property like cattle. They do what they are told and are there for the pleasure and direction of men, and for reproductive purposes. The sanction for disobedience is extreme violence. They are second class citizens. This climate of misogyny is going to lead to more abuse against women, and more rape.

The second matter is that Mohammed made part of the 'booty' that it is the right of every jihadi warrior to rape the infidel women in the dar al harb, as the rightful prize of being a jihadi. Guess where we live, habibi?

None so blind as those who will not see. The Al Taqiya is strong in this one.

Something else to think about, only 15% of rapes are eve3r reported.  Statistically projecting the muslim prevalence in the remaining unreported rapes, is a hell of a lot of rapes. Many of the offenders with Bilal Skaf that he called up on his mobile to join in the rape, remain unidentified.

macquarie (the UNI, not the bank) put the muslim %age at about 0.9%.
oops, that was at 1996.
With them breeding like rabbits in the welfare we give, your figure of 4% is close enough for me.  


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Total  200 885

http://www.international.mq.edu.au/macquarie/sydney/religion/islam


given this apparrant overrepresentation in jails you could have a point.  

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THE NSW Government has launched a prison crackdown on a group of the state's most dangerous criminals who have converted to Islam. The targets are held in the highest security jail in Australia, the Super Max facility inside the walls of Goulburn jail, where one in three of the inmates is a Muslim fundamentalist or a convert. Two prison converts, one a convicted murderer and the other a rapist, have married Muslim women in marriage ceremonies conducted over the telephone on party lines........

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/islam-prison-gang-busted/2007/04/21/1176697161148.html

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 10^th, 2009 at 11:06am:

macquarie (the UNI, not the bank) put the muslim %age at about 0.9%. oops, that was at 1996. With them breeding like rabbits in the welfare we give, your figure of 4% is close enough for me.   Quote: Total  200 885

I read it was more like 2%.

it does not say muslims, but the PC brigade/legal jihad team has gagged some of the press.




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Jordan woman killed for marrying without permissionAugust 14, 2009 - 9:09AM A man has been charged with shooting dead his pregnant sister for marrying without family permission, after luring her to another brother's wedding in a conspiracy with him, police say. "The 30-year-old suspect shot his 23-year-old pregnant sister, who worked as a nurse, four times in the head and other parts of her body on Wednesday, while she was attending the wedding of another brother," a police spokesman told AFP on Thursday. "The mother of a baby boy got married two years ago without the family's permission after she ran away from home" in Madaba, south of the capital Amman, he said. Police added that the woman's brothers "agreed to kill her in revenge". "The men assured their sister that she would not be hurt and lured her to attend the wedding. The suspect killed her there, while her other two brothers severely beat the husband," the source added. The key suspect has been charged with premeditated murder, and the other two as accessories. Murder is punishable by the death penalty in Jordan, but in the case of so-called "honour killings", a court usually commutes or reduces sentences, particularly if the victim's family urges leniency. About 15 to 20 women are murdered each year in Jordan in the name of honour, despite government efforts to fight such crimes. Parliament has refused to reform the penal code to ensure harsher penalties. Earlier this week, a man was charged with murder for shooting his niece, who had been raped.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/jordan-woman-killed-for-marrying-without-permission-20090814-ek7q.html

Calanen wrote on Aug 9^th, 2009 at 10:29pm:

And that's just in the last few years. MOST of the time, the offender's name is given initials, so you cant work out who it is. I can vouch for the initialled ones in this instance as being members of the Religion of Peace. Where are all the Jews raping people? Or all the Chinese? Or all the Hindus? Why are all of these muslims involved in raping women?

1/ Because they can.

2/ Because they feel no moral restraint.


Why?

For #1, because they can.

For #2, because they view their victims as sub-human, therefore they are not doing anything wrong.
You see, raping non-moslem women, ......it's like raping livestock, and livestock have no rights, to complain.




In the Sydney gang rapes by the Lebanese gentleman Bilal Skaf...
....the rapist denied any 'guilt'...

Muslim Gang Rapes and the Aussie Riots
December 15, 2005
"....Four days after he set foot in Australia, the rape spree began. And during his sexual assault trial in a New South Wales courtroom, the Pakistani man began to berate one of his tearful 14-year-old victims because she had the temerity to shake her head at his testimony.
.......After taking an oath on the Qur’an, the man – known only as MSK – told the court he had committed four attacks on girls as young as 13 because they had no right to say “no.” They were not covering their face or wearing a headscarf, and therefore, the rapist proclaimed: “I’m not doing anything wrong.”  "
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/readarticle.asp?ID=20535&p=1



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....[the moslem rapist] told the court......they [the rape victims] had no right to say “no.”.......the rapist proclaimed: “I’m not doing anything wrong.”

But just ask our political, and community leaders,
.......there is nothing wrong with moslem immigration to this country.
/sarc off

Yadda wrote on Aug 16^th, 2009 at 1:54am:

For #2, because they view their victims as sub-human, therefore they are not doing anything wrong. You see, raping non-moslem women, ......it's like raping livestock, and livestock have no rights, to complain.

Let me expound upon that thought a little further.....


Google,
non-muslims status of animals
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=non-muslims+status+of+animals&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=




In Allah's sight, non-moslems are 'the vilest of animals' [swine, pigs].....the Koran say's so, ......and so, moslems take this statement literally.

So, it follows, moslems can 'legally' treat non-moslems, like they are no longer human.

"O you who believe! obey Allah and His Messenger and do not turn back from Him while you hear.
And be not like those who said, We hear, and they did not obey.
Surely the vilest of animals [i.e. those who reject ISLAM, are swine, pigs...] , in Allah's sight, are the deaf, the dumb, who do not understand [i.e. those who reject ISLAM, do not, cannot,  understand ISLAM]."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html#008.020
v. 21, 22

AND,

"For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html#008.055


"Or thinkest thou that most of them listen or understand? They are only like cattle;- nay, they are worse astray in Path."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/025.qmt.html#025.044
v. 40-44

Non-moslems are dogs.....
"If it had been Our will, We should have elevated him with Our signs; but he inclined to the earth, and followed his own vain desires. His similitude is that of a dog:...."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/007.qmt.html#007.176
v. 174-177


'Good' moslems, think, just like clinical psychopaths do, towards 'others', non-moslems.

Why?

Because, that is how moslems have been 'educated' to think of non-moslems from childhood.

i.e. The ISLAMIC mantra is that.....

Moslems, are a 'wonderful' community, of innocent people.

"Ye [muslims] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.110


Whereas, non-moslems are the vilest, of 'guilty' people [in Allah's sight], and it is the work of moslems [a work given to them by Allah] to destroy 'unbelief', and, the 'unbelievers'.





Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam
By Duncan Gardham
01/05/2007
In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed: "Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah".
The article advised: "The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy.There is no such thing as an innocent kafir [non-moslem], innocence is only applicable for the Muslims. Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/01/nplot901.xml




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"There is no such thing as an innocent kafir [non-moslem], innocence is only applicable for the Muslims. Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."

i

In my opinion.....

'Good' moslems, are REAL psychopaths.

Is this idea, assertion, offensive to you?

If that assertion is the TRUTH, why, is the TRUTH offensive?


Scenario....

If a homicidal maniac is running at you with a knife, are you going to tell him that he can't kill you, because that would be offensive, and illegal???

Wouldn't such a response, be an absurdity???




We, non-moslems, are being, have been, absurd, in welcoming moslems to live among us.

elsewhere i said....

Quote:

"......we have made a mistake, in welcoming this vile, and evil philosophy into Australia."

An open letter to Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1247892235/2#2

Above, i said.....



Yadda wrote on Aug 16^th, 2009 at 2:27am:

......'Good' moslems, think, just like clinical psychopaths do, towards 'others', non-moslems. Why? Because, that is how moslems have been 'educated' to think of non-moslems from childhood....... In my opinion..... 'Good' moslems, are REAL psychopaths.

Here, examples, and information, which tend to confirm the veracity, of my above statement.......


Google,
palestinian schools teach jihad
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=palestinian+schools+teach+jihad&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=




GRAPHIC EXAMPLES....

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/cartoon-protest12.jpg
Teaching muslim children, ISLAMIC values [London].
N.B. That image [immediately above] is of a moslem child, in London! not in Gaza, not in Iran, not in Saudi Arabia.
It is the image of a moslem child clearly relishing, in the 'knowledge' which he has [already] been taught, about ISLAM.




http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg
"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"




Anjem Choudary - a UK moslem community leader, justifies the London, 7/7 attacks in which 52 people died.

YOUTUBE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean muslims."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a muslim....i must have *hatred* towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[muslims] allegence is always with the muslims, so i will never condemn a muslim for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4iTeaching the children of moslems - how to HATE non-moslems


February 18, 2008
UK jihadist taught five-year-old son: "Kuffar -- kill! Sheikh Osama bin Laden I love"
Parviz.jpg
http://www.jihadwatch.org/Parviz.jpg
......"Who do you kill?" asked Khan.
"America kill," said the boy.
"Who else you kill?" said Khan.
"Bush I kill," said the boy.
"And who else?" demanded Khan.
"Blair kill, both people kill."
"Who else you kill?" asked Khan.
"Saddam, Saddam," said the boy.
Then the pair began chanting at each other.
Khan said: "Kuffar [non-believers]" the boy said: "Kill."
Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]" and the boy said: "Kill."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020006.php
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/18/nkidnap218.xml







Australian born moslem, Sheik Feiz Mohammed, wants to teach children.

January 18, 2007
Use children as troops, says [Aussie] cleric
......."We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam.
Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior).
Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.phpi

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_02/beheadAP2504_468x498.jpg
'Kiddy Jihad'
The 12 year old above, shouts "Allah Akbar!!", before beheading his [bound] victim.
.....Australian, Sheik Feiz Mohammed would be so proud!!!



May 20, 2008
Cries of "Allahu akbar," and 12-year-old boy beheads man in Al-Qaeda video
“There is no harm in taking ‘jehad’ (holy war) for the right cause”...
......Amid cries of ‘Allah o Akbar’ (god is great), a young boy, barely 12 years old, lifts his machete and strikes at his victim who is lying on the ground, all tied up for the kill.
Waving a ‘V’ for victory sign with his right hand, the boy picks up the severed head and shows it around to the chants of applause from an audience gathered in a remote part of the region straddling the mountainous range which divides Pakistan and Afghanistan.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/021104.php






++++++++i"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."
Thomas Mann [holocaust survivor]
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Mann

I don't get this "asking for a religious blessing" before killing others .



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MEMBERS of an alleged terrorist conspiracy group spoke about working together "on a great monstrous thing" and needing only 20 minutes to take out as many soldiers as possible as they planned an attack on a Sydney army base. Conversations recorded by federal police on secret telephone intercepts reveal two of the accused talked to sheiks in Somalia to try to get a fatwa -- religious blessing -- for their attack and described their plans to get guns and rifles for the terror plot. Details of these discussions emerged yesterday at the Melbourne Magistrates Court as three of the accused, Saney Edow Aweys, Nayef El Sayed and Yacqub Khayre, applied for bail. Australian Federal Police counter-terrorism agent Chris Salmon read out a prosecution summary of the case to the court, which included transcripts of recorded conversations about being on a mission to "please Allah" and desires to "enter the paradise" of the after life. "So they want an operational martyrdom," Sheik Abdirahman Ahmed, from Somalia, allegedly asks Mr Aweys on July 10. "Yes," Mr Aweys replies. "They know where they can get them (the guns). Then they want to enter the military forces stationed in the barracks. Their desire is to fan out as much as possible ... until they would be hit. Twenty minutes would be enough for us to take out five, six, 10, eight, whatever Allah knows." Sheik Abdirahman then asks: "Could there be disastrous consequences?" Mr Aweys says: "Yes, it's Australia and the city of Melbourne. As you may be aware ... we are present in their midst. The infidels, their forces are cast in the lands of Islam and causing great damage." Another recorded conversation between the fourth accused, Wissam Mahmoud Fattal and Mr El Sayed, also talks about obtaining a fatwa for their planned attack on the Holsworthy army base in southwestern Sydney. "I would like to strike big if its halal (approved)," Mr El Sayed allegedly says to Mr Fattal, who was in the Melbourne Remand Centre at the time after being charged with an unrelated assault. "Allah willing, we will strike good, and the rest will distribute it on the brothers." Mr Fatal says all he wants is an afterlife. "We are doing something very terrific for Allah. We are working together on a great monstrous thing and we will need to persevere." Mr Salmon told the court Mr Aweys was recruiting men to fight for Somali extremist group al-Shabaab against the country's government and he helped Mr Khayre travel to Somalia and train with the terror group. "He (Mr Khayre) has acquired skills which are dangerous and could be used to avoid police," AFP agent Bruce Castle told the bail hearing. The court also heard police believe Mr Khayre left his passport with an al-Shabaab leader in Somalia. Mr Salmon said police were still obtaining evidence from the US, Britain and Kenya. He said several other people may have been involved in the plot. He confirmed police had not seized weapons at any of the 19 homes they raided on August 4, apart from a pair of nunchucks, which they later learned belonged to someone else. Mr Khayre, Mr Fattal, Mr Sayed and Mr Aweys, along with Abdirahman Ahmed, have been charged with conspiring to prepare for a terrorist act. Mr Aweys and Mr Ahmed have also been charged with helping Walid Osman Mohamed go to Somalia and fight with al-Shabaab. Mr Aweys faces a third charge of preparing to go over to engage in conflict in Somalia. The bail hearings, before magistrate Peter Reardon, continue.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25977015-2702,00.html

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 25^th, 2009 at 10:59am:

I don't get this "asking for a religious blessing" before killing others .

sprint,

ISLAM, means submission.

All things are permissible to a moslem, if they are permitted by ISLAM.

But before acting, a moslem is obligated to determine, that an action is permissible.


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth...."
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/009.qmt.html#009.029

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A TOP Saudi security official has survived a suicide attack in his office in the Red Sea port of Jeddah, the state news agency SPA reported. Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, deputy interior minister in charge of security, was meeting well-wishers for the Moslem fasting month of Ramadan when a man blew himself up with explosives he was carrying, the agency said. The man was a wanted militant who insisted on meeting the prince to announce he was giving himself up to authorities, SPA added. It said the suicide bomber, whom it did not identify, was the only casualty. The attack was the first to directly target a member of the royal family since the start of a wave of violence by al-Qaeda sympathisers in 2003 against the US-allied monarchy. Saudi-owned al Arabiya television showed Prince Mohammed, apparently slightly injured, meeting King Abdullah later. "This will only increase our determination to eradicate this (militancy)," Prince Mohammed, who is the son of Interior Minister Prince Nayef bin Abdul-Aziz, said. The prince has been largely credited with the Government's recent success in crushing the violence. Earlier this month, Saudi authorities announced the arrest of 44 militants close to al-Qaeda and the seizure of explosives, detonators and firearms. In 2004, militants rammed a vehicle laden with explosives into the entrance of the Interior Ministry headquarters in the capital Riyadh.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25993574-12377,00.html

another terrorist crime against a society by a muslim .
ban jihad and any book that encourages it.




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A Canadian man was sentenced on Thursday to 14 years in prison for his role in a foiled plot to bomb the Toronto Stock Exchange, a military base and Canada's spy agency headquarters. Saad Khalid is the second of the so-called "Toronto 18" to be sentenced for the planned attacks, which were to have been carried out by stuffing rented vans with explosives. The 18 suspects were arrested during a police sting operation in 2006. The scheme aimed to pressure Canada to withdraw from Afghanistan. Khalid will serve only seven years in prison, as under Canadian rules he will receive double credit for time spent in jail awaiting trial. In September 2008, one of Khalid's co-accused, a minor, was convicted of "terrorist activity". He was sentenced to two and a half years in jail but was immediately released as he had spent three years in custody awaiting trial. Nine other alleged accomplices remain in prison awaiting trial, while seven others were released after charges were dropped. Khalid was among 14 adults and four minors charged after allegedly trying to buy three tonnes of the bomb-making ingredient ammonium nitrate from undercover police officers. The officers had replaced the ammonium nitrate with an inert substance. Trials for the remaining adult defendants are expected to begin next year.

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2009/05/06/saad-khalid-cp-RTR1E6HW.jpg

what ethnicity does hte arrogant muslim show?

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Three British Muslims were sentenced on Monday to life in jail for plotting to blow up transatlantic airliners with liquid bombs in suicide attacks on the scale of September 11, their judge said. Judge Richard Henriques said the planned "terrorist outrage" was "the most grave and wicked conspiracy ever proven within this jurisdiction", as he passed sentence at the top-security Woolwich Crown Court in southeast London. Ringleader Abdulla Ahmed Ali, 28, was sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum 40-year term. Co-conspirator Assad Sarwar, 29, must spend a minimum of 36 years in jail, while fellow plotter Tanvir Hussain, 28, must spend at least 32 years behind bars. The plot, foiled in August 2006, triggered the wide-ranging new rules now in place on carrying liquids aboard commercial aircraft. The plotters targeted seven flights from London's Heathrow airport to New York, Washington, Chicago, San Francisco, Toronto and Montreal. The flights were operated by United Airlines, American Airlines and Air Canada. They left Heathrow daily within roughly two and a half hours of each other, meaning they would all have been mid-air at the same time, prosecutors said. Henriques said: "The intention was to perpetrate a terrorist outrage that would stand alongside the events of September 11, 2001 in history. "I'm satisfied that there is every likelihood that this plot would have succeeded but for the intervention of the police and the security service. "A massive loss of life would almost certainly have resulted -- and if the detonation was over land, the number of victims would have been even greater still." He said a trail of emails "establish beyond question the ultimate control of this conspiracy lay in Pakistan", saying the plot was controlled, monitored and funded from there. The counter-terrorism operation to foil the plot was the biggest ever in Britain, costing 35 million pounds ($67.65 million). The evidence included 26,000 exhibits. Police examined 14,000 gigabytes of data, including 15,000 CDs and DVDs. The trial was peppered with evidence that members of the London-based gang were frequently in communication with figures linked to al-Qaeda in Pakistan.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/transatlantic-jet-bomb-plotters-jailed-for-life-20090915-fo3l.html

whyever does western society pay the bill to defend itself against those that come from mosques?
Mosques should pay for it.

let muslims into your country, this follows.

same as happened in britian.




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SUICIDE bombers blew up vehicles in two attacks that killed 15 people in northwest Pakistan, in an escalating revenge campaign against security forces, officials said. The second attack in Pakistan's northwest city of Peshawar ripped through a crowded area near banks, shops and a wedding hall on a road leading to the army cantonment, hours after a similar attack outside a police station in Bannu. Ten people were killed in Peshawar and another five on the outskirts of Bannu in a district close to the rugged tribal region of North Waziristan where Washington says Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are plotting attacks on the West. Pakistan's umbrella Tehreek-e-Taliban (TTP) group claimed responsibility for the Bannu attack and threatened to unleash bigger attacks on government targets to avenge the killing of their leader Baitullah Mehsud in a US drone attack.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26129439-5003402,00.html

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Rival Islamist groups battled on Thursday for control of the Somali port of Kismayo, shattering a key alliance in the insurgency and sending thousands fleeing the city. At least 10 poeple were killed in heavy fighting in the key southern port, sources said, with both the al Qaeda-inspired Shebab and its Hezb al-Islam foes claiming the upper hand after it ended. The Shebab launched an offensive on Hezb al-Islam positions at dawn, residents said. Humanitarian sources and a Shebab spokesman put the number of dead between 10 and 12 and estimated another 50 were wounded. The city, about 300 kilometres south of Mogadishu, was wrested from government forces in August and had been an Islamist bastion ever since but relations between the two groups soured in recent weeks. The two factions had agreed to share power in Kismayo, with each governing for six months alternatively, but clan politics seeped in and the rotation failed when the Shebab refused to relinquish the administration. Firmly under Islamist control for more than year, Kismayo had been relatively quiet until Thursday. "We were attacked by our brothers with no reason," local Hezb al-Islam spokesman Sheikh Ismail Haji Adow told reporters. "They (the Shebab) launched their offensive on several fronts very early this morning. The fighting is very intense but we are holding up," he said. "Hundreds of families are fleeing the city," he added. Officials from both groups speaking on local radio stations when the fighting eased both claimed they would prevail.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/islamist-factions-clash-in-somali-port-20091001-geu4.html

YOUTUBE,

So This is England 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHszsGbBJQo


Is rioting in the streets HOLY?

Are those who profess a love of 'peace', but plan war against their fellow man HOLY?

Are truce breakers HOLY?

Are those who seek the downfall of civil government HOLY?

Are those who seek after the promise of a whorehouse in paradise, and who's chief hope in an afterlife, is to spend their days deflowering virgins in paradise, HOLY?

...or could they more accurately be described as,
..."lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God" ?

Are those on earth, who seek to rape and murder for their god, HOLY?







++++++







Psalms 28:3
Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.
4  Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.


Psalms 35:20
For they speak not peace: but they devise deceitful matters against them that are quiet in the land.


2 Peter 2:10
But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
11  Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
12  But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13  And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14  Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:


2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

more mad murdering muslims


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A RENOWNED physicist working on the nuclear Hadron Collider project has been charged with terrorism offences. Adlene Hicheur, 32, an Algerian national, was arrested last week in France after intelligence agents intercepted alleged contact he made with al-Qaeda over the internet. His brother was also arrested, the Times reports, but has since been released. A Paris judge was told by investigators that Dr Hicheur had offered to work with al-Qaeda. The physicist, who works at the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (Cern),  allegedly told the terror group that "he was interested in committing an attack". According to the Times, he has since acknowledged contacting the militant organisation. Dr Hicheur is one of 7000 scientists working on the controversial Hadron Collider project. The Collider is the world's largest and highest-energy particle accelerator, using highly advanced nuclear technology. Pictures: Hadron Collider But the Collider sparked fears in some areas of the public that the project is not properly handled, could "produce a doomsday phenomena".  The project is currently suspended for repairs. A Cern spokesman said Dr Hicheur did not have access to any of the underground facilities and that he did not handle anything that would interest terrorists. Judge Christophe Teissier ordered Dr Hicheur be detained while  authorities investigate "the possible offence of association with criminals in relation with a terrorist enterprise". The arrest, according some within France, raises the possibility that Islamist militants could be seeking nuclear weapons technology. Residents in Dr Hicheur's home town of Vienne, in eastern France, said his success had made him a role model for young Muslims.  “They are good boys,” said a neighbour. ”They are from a family of six children and from a very moderate Muslim family which is seen as a model of integration.” According to the Times, Dr Hicheur worked for the British government’s Rutherford Appleton Laboratory in 2005 and was placed under surveillance by French officers last year after American intelligence services intercepted Internet messages.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26203033-952,00.html

ban the koran

YOUTUBE,

Muslim Threatens Christians for Speaking about Muhammad
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gxfFrAUBV-U


Like the guy in this presentation correctly states,

"This, is the spirit of Mohammed!"


This is the 'gift' to the world, which ISLAM 'gives', and 'gives'.
....threats, violence, murder.

But hey!
This guy, isn't a REAL moslem!
/sarc off






+++++++






Matthew 12:35
A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

Well you got us there... an anonymous caller on a talkback TV show  ;D

Judging by their reaction when he said it, seemed a little staged.

Quote:

what ethnicity does hte arrogant muslim show?

Just curious sprint.. what ethnicity does he show? Muslimish perhaps?  ;D

abu - you lose.


Quote:

A SUICIDE bomber has ploughed his explosive-laden car into a police station in north-west Pakistan, at the same time as reports of gunmen attacking two other stations elsewhere in the country. Four gunmen attacked a Pakistani police agency office in the eastern city of Lahore, a provincial government official said. "Initial reports are that two of them have been killed," Punjab province Home Secretary Nadeem Hassan Asif said. One television channel said two people had been taken hostage and there were unconfirmed reports of gunfire at a second police station in the city. Eight people were killed in the bomb attack. "It was a suicide attack,'' district police chief Dilawar Bangash said. "The bomber ploughed his car into the outer wall of the police station'' in the town of Kohat, he said, adding that the building was badly damaged. Rescue work is under way and there are fears that some people may be trapped under the debris, he added. The dead included civilians, among them children, he said.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26214039-12377,00.html

more of your mates making the news

more muslims living out their creed



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Five Sydney men have been found guilty of conspiring to do acts to prepare a terrorist act. After more than a month of deliberations, the jury has delivered its verdict today in the mammoth trial. The trial, which started last November, had lasted more than 170 sitting days and was held in a specially designed court room in Parramatta. The prosecution had alleged the five men, who cannot be named for legal reasons, had conspired with four other men. Some of them had obtained chemicals for explosives, registered firearms and ammunition. The trial heard evidence from many hours of intercepted conversations and surveillance of the men over a 16-month period, which ended with their arrest in November 2005. During searches in some homes, police also found bomb-making instructions and extremist literature, which allegedly supported indiscriminate killing, mass murder and martyrdom in pursuit of violent jihad. In March and April 2005, some of them attended two two-night hunting trips in western NSW, which had been booked in a false name. Police found spent ammunition at the camp and the prosecution alleged the men were training for holy war. One of the men had trained at a Lashka-e-Toiba paramilitary camp in Pakistan. Some of the men were also pictured with family members going camping or having picnics, but claimed these were innocent activities, as was the possession of large quantities of batteries and other equipment. An order for $3000 worth of laboratory equipment was linked to their plans for a terrorist act, the Crown alleged. But the defence suggested the equipment was ordered for home schooling. The prosecution also told the jury they believed the men knew they were about to be raided and hid large amounts of material with the help of piping. The men were remanded in custody. They will appear again on December 14. Sentencing submissions will begin that week. Justice Anthony Whealy said he hoped the sentencing submissions would be finished that week but they might be extended.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/five-guilty-in-sydney-terrorism-trial-20091016-h06l.html

And that was only the Sydney portion of Operation Pendennis. The Melbourne portion has already gone down down...

http://www.youtube.com/v/S6kmj3kHOJ8

Here is a vid about the Melbourne version of Pendennis.

Wonder if Abu was out at the courts to support the ummah and peacefully protest by beating the hell out of the media?

Is that how I come across to you Calanen??

Or are you just too beholden to your hate-filled view of all Muslims to see reason?

given 1/2 the chance abu, that is exactly what you are

you slavishly follow the same pants prophet, if you "understand" the perverse koran as they do, you will unquestionably do as they do.

Quote:

if you "understand" the perverse koran as they do, you will unquestionably do as they do.

And likewise if you understand the Bible the way the LRA do, then you'll rape and pillage and use child soldiers etc.

abu you again have not answered the query, so we assume you agree.

typical muslamic - if the koran told you to flush your head down a used toilet bowl in the public oiolets in a railway station, you would

jesus never says to kill others, nor does he do it. moh the paed made it his basis of faith..

you fkwt

Jesus (pbuh) in your belief is the "God" of the OT right?? He's the one who told the Israelites to slaughter, old and young, except the virgins, but to keep them for themselves... so the LRA are indeed following what the Christian Bible says about Jesus (pbuh).

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 17^th, 2009 at 7:09pm:

Jesus (pbuh) in your belief is the "God" of the OT right?? He's the one who told the Israelites to slaughter, old and young, except the virgins, but to keep them for themselves... so the LRA are indeed following what the Christian Bible says about Jesus (pbuh).

Abu...

outrageous... preposterous

disingenuous

naughty, naughty.

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 17^th, 2009 at 7:09pm:

Jesus (pbuh) in your belief is the "God" of the OT right?? He's the one who told the Israelites to slaughter, old and young, except the virgins, but to keep them for themselves... so the LRA are indeed following what the Christian Bible says about Jesus (pbuh).

You are not even stupid.

imho, jesus is not god of the OT.

people are not able to stick by the 10 commandments.
Everyone sins.

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imho, jesus is not god of the OT

He's a new improved God then??

Come on sprint, Christianity is supposedly based on the foundation that hundreds of OT prophecies point to Jesus (pbuh) being the God from the OT, become flesh, to die for our sins and save the world. As far as I'm aware all Christians believe this (except for a few small sects like JW's etc). Perhaps Yadda can confirm this for us, since he seems to be a well-versed Christian.

Anyway, regardless... my point stands. The LRA claim the Bible sanctions their actions, you say it doesn't.

Likewise you say the actions of those Muslims are sanctioned by the Qur'an, I say they aren't.

Back to square 1... or perhaps Yadda can shed some light on whether or not Jesus (pbuh) is supposedly the one who ordered all the rape, pillage and virgin raids of the OT, that the LRA are now imitating.

christianity is based on jesus, not prophecies from the OT.

your point does not stand.
where does jesus tell the LRA to do whatever they do ?
Did jesus do that as an example?

whereas moh DID do LOTS of dreadful stuff AND sanctioned and rewarded many other serious crimes.

one day the penny might drop with you

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 17^th, 2009 at 11:32pm:

Quote: imho, jesus is not god of the OT He's a new improved God then?? Come on sprint, Christianity is supposedly based on the foundation that hundreds of OT prophecies point to Jesus (pbuh) being the God from the OT, become flesh, to die for our sins and save the world. As far as I'm aware all Christians believe this (except for a few small sects like JW's etc). Perhaps Yadda can confirm this for us, since he seems to be a well-versed Christian. Anyway, regardless... my point stands. The LRA claim the Bible sanctions their actions, you say it doesn't. Likewise you say the actions of those Muslims are sanctioned by the Qur'an, I say they aren't. Back to square 1... or perhaps Yadda can shed some light on whether or not Jesus (pbuh) is supposedly the one who ordered all the rape, pillage and virgin raids of the OT, that the LRA are now imitating.

As i have pointed out already,


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Two simple Q's. abu. #1 As a theist do your believe that God is righteous? OR, #2 Do you believe men who justify their actions, are righteous?

As to Jesus being God?

Mark 12:29
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:


Jesus also said,

John 4:24
God is a Spirit:

AND,

John 8:54
Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55  Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56  Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57  Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.



abu,

Q.
If the God of Israel, is the God of creation, then is the God of Israel, omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent?

OR, not?




abu,

Q.
If the God of Israel, the God of creation, is a spirit, where is he?






Jesus said,

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.
31  Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32  Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33  The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34  Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35  If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36  Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37  If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38  But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.



Is that clear enough for you now?        ;)

Or are you still blind, and deaf?




2 Timothy 3:7
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 16^th, 2009 at 11:41pm:

Is that how I come across to you Calanen??

So you weren't out at Parramatta to support the ummah?


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Or are you just too beholden to your hate-filled view of all Muslims to see reason?

Which reason would that be? You wouldn't know reason if the definition was tattooed onto your forehead.

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So you weren't out at Parramatta to support the ummah?

Can't say I was.

Weren't they just people supporting (actually behaving in a violent and emotional manner) their own families??

Rather than some imagined world wide global movement of Ummahites....

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 17^th, 2009 at 11:32pm:

Likewise you say the actions of those Muslims are sanctioned by the Qur'an, I say they aren't.

Correction.

.. they say...


Islam is condemned by its own words. That's the reason why that Victorian preacher was convicetd for quoting the Koran word for word.

soren, likewise the LRA claim their actions are sanctioned by the Bible. And they are condemned internationally for acting according to the Bible's words, word for word.

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 18^th, 2009 at 7:56pm:

soren, likewise the LRA claim their actions are sanctioned by the Bible. And they are condemned internationally for acting according to the Bible's words, word for word.

Great, we are in agreement then - Islam is condemned by its own words and the LRA is condemned by its own words.

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Great, we are in agreement then - some Muslims are condemned by their own words and some Christians are condemned by their own words.

Indeed we are.

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 18^th, 2009 at 9:09pm:

Quote: Great, we are in agreement then - some Muslims are condemned by their own words and some Christians are condemned by their own words. Indeed we are.

Great, we are in agreement then - the Koran and Hadith are condemned by the words they contain, and through the content of these ISLAMIC foundation texts, ISLAM itself, is also condemned. And some Christians are condemned by their words and actions.

Anyone can use a word processor to say what they mean.

Wonderful things, aren't they?

what islamic poo

quote the bible quote abu from jesus or bugger off

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 18^th, 2009 at 7:56pm:

soren, likewise the LRA claim their actions are sanctioned by the Bible. And they are condemned internationally for acting according to the Bible's words, word for word.

Lucky you've got the Lord's Resistance Army as your example straw man, to somehow justify the worldwide jihad in pretty much every country on the planet.

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Lucky you've got the Lord's Resistance Army as your example straw man, to somehow justify the worldwide jihad in pretty much every country on the planet.

;D

The LRA is just one small example. How about the U.S??? How about Donny Rumsfled and his Biblically quoted reports?? How about the tank named the "New Testament"?? Or the Bibles printed in Afghan languages for distribution by the military??? How about the hundreds of thousands of people they've murdered, raped, pillaged etc??? Come on Calanen, the "World wide Jihad movement" would need a few millenia to catch up to all of this stuff. They don't have a hope in hell of making it at this rate.

The Jihadists are in ALL cases defensive movements inside their OWN lands. The Christians are currently occupying several Islamic lands... There's an elephant in the room somewhere Calanen, I'm sure if you look hard enough, you'll see it.

Hint: No it's not the jihadists, even though your one-track mind will try to convince you to chant that as usual.

There is a massive difference in magnitude between Islam and the LRA. A miniscule, relatively insignificant bunch of barbarians justifying their savagery versus 1.5 billion people who are absolutely unwilling and unable to reign in their own savages worldwide.

Forget the LRA read my post above.

The few disgruntled Muslims who've formed militias (mostly to defend their countries, or at least get the attention of the aggressor) do not even remotely compare to the umpteen Muslim countries the U.S has invaded, bombed or otherwise overthrown or supported brutal dictators in. At present the score is like this:

U.S occupies & wages war in 2 Muslim countries (and a few more via proxies), more on the way, and several others it's using other means to 'contain'.

Muslims occupy & wage war in 0 Christian countries....

And yet you come to us telling us we're the savage war-mongers??? Get a grip on yourself. Get the %$^#$% out of the Muslim countries, including Palestine, then come and cry the poor attacked target of Jihad all you like.

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 19^th, 2009 at 9:03am:

Forget the LRA read my post above. The few disgruntled Muslims who've formed militias (mostly to defend their countries, or at least get the attention of the aggressor) do not even remotely compare to the umpteen Muslim countries the U.S has invaded, bombed or otherwise overthrown or supported brutal dictators in. At present the score is like this: U.S occupies & wages war in 2 Muslim countries (and a few more via proxies), more on the way, and several others it's using other means to 'contain'. Muslims occupy & wage war in every 0 Christian country ies.... And yet you come to us telling us we're the savage war-mongers??? Get a grip on yourself. Get the %$^#$% out of the Muslim countries, including Palestine, then come and cry the poor attacked target of Jihad all you like.

IF people were convinced that Islamic extremists had little support among British Muslims it would be easy to write [Islam 4 UK] off as an eccentric fringe element.

In such a context, plans for rallies by fundamentalists to press claims for a wholesale switch to sharia law in Britain could be regarded with equanimity rather than alarm.

Unfortunately, that is not the case. With the threat of Islamist terrorism a major factor in our national life and with a bewildering array of Muslim pressure groups always ready to press for new cultural concessions, the British public has come to a depressing conclusion: give them an inch and they will take a mile.

So any large demonstration by radical Muslims is bound to cause widespread anger. Police say that Islam4uK cannot be stopped from holding a rally in London later this month. In that case,  it would be hugely encouraging were moderate Muslims to organise a much larger counter-demonstration that stressed their support for British law.

While there have certainly been criticisms of Muslim terrorists Islam4uK by more moderate groups, there is no sign of  any such event taking place. It is the emerging tragedy of British Islam  that moderates appear unable to marginalise extremists or to offer sufficient reassurance to the non-Muslim majority.

More moslems, killing moslems.

Another expression of the Shia / Sunni rift,

18 October 2009
Iranian commanders assassinated
Several top commanders in Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards have been killed in a suicide bombing in the volatile south-east of the country.
Iranian state television said 31 people died in the attack, in the Pishin region of Sistan-Baluchistan, and more than 25 were injured.
Shia and Sunni tribal leaders were also killed. A Sunni resistance group, Jundullah, said they carried it out.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8312964.stm


Q.
Will this death cult ever stop, murdering its own kind???
....sorry.
Will this death cult ever stop, rightly killing 'unbelievers' [the wrong kind of moslems] ???

A.
No!






Q.
Where is the outrage at such acts, from the worldwide Ummah???

Q.
Where is the self inspection [self criticism] from moslems, at such insanity?

A.
There is none.

Nothing is wrong with ISLAM.
/sarc off

ISLAM is Allah's perfect religion!!

And any moslem who suggests any thing different, will be 'rightly killed', by his fellow moslems!!

That, is the TRUTH, of this insanity.

soren -
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..........In that case,  it would be hugely encouraging were moderate Muslims to organise a much larger counter-demonstration that stressed their support for British law. ..........

whyever would any muslime do that?

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More moslems, killing moslems. Another expression of the Shia / Sunni rift,

Yadda, the Christians (and indeed most other people) have spent the past few centuries completely liquidating one another, for religious and atheist purposes alike. A few key commanders of an oppressive regime being assassinated hardly compares to some of the horriffic kill-fests Christians and others have had within their own ranks.

It's really a joke that you post these few incidents as if it proves beyond a doubt that Islam is a brutal evil violent ideology. Like soren, you should get a grip on reality.

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 19^th, 2009 at 9:48am:

Quote: More moslems, killing moslems. Another expression of the Shia / Sunni rift, Yadda, the Christians (and indeed most other people) have spent the past few centuries completely liquidating one another, for religious and atheist purposes alike. A few key commanders of an oppressive regime being assassinated hardly compares to some of the horriffic kill-fests Christians and others have had within their own ranks. It's really a joke that you post these few incidents as if it proves beyond a doubt that Islam is a brutal evil violent ideology. Like soren, you should get a grip on reality.

abu!

A few key commanders of an oppressive regime, a few key commanders, of an oppressive regime !!! ?

Wash your mouth out with soap abu!

Iran, is the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran!!



Iran.

Hmmm,
mullah's ruling the country,
reverence for the Koran,
mosques on every corner,
subservient women,
weekly street protests, demonising [pick one] Jews, the USA, the West, non-moslems,
populace worships Mohammed err, Allah, i meant! Allah!

I,   .....should get a grip on reality!

abu,

If Iran is not an ISLAMIC 'republic', then what is??

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If Iran is not an ISLAMIC 'republic', then what is??

Good question, and the obvious answer is that there is none. The reality speaks for itself, after the 1924 official abolition of the Caliphate, no Caliphate was re-established in it's place... Various countries like Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia etc. changing their flags to put "Allahu akbar" or some other Islamic epithet on there, or establishing councils of 'dedicated islamic scholars' who assist in the ruling process, does not an Islamic state make, except to the feeble-minded, Muslim or non-Muslim.

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 19^th, 2009 at 10:23am:

Quote: If Iran is not an ISLAMIC 'republic', then what is?? Good question, and the obvious answer is that there is none. The reality speaks for itself, after the 1924 official abolition of the Caliphate, no Caliphate was re-established in it's place... Various countries like Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia etc. changing their flags to put "Allahu akbar" or some other Islamic epithet on there, or establishing councils of 'dedicated islamic scholars' who assist in the ruling process, does not an Islamic state make, except to the feeble-minded, Muslim or non-Muslim.

Paraphrasing abu's last post....

"How can moslems institute a perfect society, when the truth is, that ISLAM corrupts every human heart that it touches?!"

Unpleasant to some, but, it is true.

Look at the moslem world / communities.

Wherever you look in the world, moslem communities are riven with falsehood, lies, corruption, and violence.

Why?

Why, ALWAYS so?





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EXAMPLE - IN PEACEFUL AUSTRALIA 06 May 2007 Mosque violence Tensions boil over after move to replace imam Paul Maley A BITTER factional feud within Canberra's Islamic community has erupted into violence with a leading member being punched repeatedly in the grounds of the mosque at Yarralumla. Secretary of the ACT Islamic Society Kurt Kennedy said he was set upon shortly after announcing the appointment of a new imam to replace the controversial Mohammed Swaiti. He was assaulted while waiting on the mosque grounds for a lift home after announcing Mr Swaiti had been dumped and naming the new imam as Yahya Atay. ......"When our secretary Kurt Kennedy announced ... the new imam will deliver the [Friday speech] before prayer, two people jumped up and grabbed Kurt and pushed him around," he told the Canberra Sunday Times. "They pushed him and wanted to throw him out of the mosque. "Then the imam [Mr Swaiti] started screaming in the middle of the mosque, 'I am the imam of this mosque! I am the imam who will service you people! I will never step down! No one can force me to step down! I will be here until the day I die!"'

Muslims have a lot to learn from Zionists
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1233101595/17#17






PEACE, '.....Just like in muslim countries.'

http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/sheik.jpg

image source
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/03/15/out-of-context-fair-go-harmony-under-sharia/

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EXAMPLE - IN PEACEFUL AUSTRALIA 06 May 2007 Mosque violence Tensions boil over after move to replace imam...

Ohhh and Christians wouldn't do anything like that would they??? And especially not int heir holiest of sites, the supposed burial place of the Messiah (pbuh), the Church of the Holy Sepulchre?? Of course not!!!! Only Muslims do that kind of thing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcMBjiILTRk

;D Go the Armenians!!!! No give it to 'em ya greekies, ella!!!  ;D

Better be careful who you call black Mr. Pot.

But as you always put it....


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They're not real Christians though!!! /sarc off (copyright Yadda industries 2009)

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 19^th, 2009 at 12:19pm:

Ohhh and Christians wouldn't do anything like that would they??? And especially not int heir holiest of sites, the supposed burial place of the Messiah (pbuh), the Church of the Holy Sepulchre?? Of course not!!!! Only Muslims do that kind of thing! ;D Go the Armenians!!!! No give it to 'em ya greekies, ella!!!  ;D Better be careful who you call black Mr. Pot.

I have not viewed this particular YT, but i'm sure that i remember the shameful news report on the TV.

I'm sure that is what this YT refers to.

Not our [Christians] best hour.       :-[





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They're not real Christians though!!! /sarc off (copyright Yadda industries 2009)

LOL

Very good abu!!!        ;D


You should adopt this, as your 'sig' message.      ;D

This is a good one, even by their own standards.


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Orchard Park police are investigating a particularly gruesome killing, the beheading of a woman, after her husband — an influential member of the local Muslim community — reported her death to police Thursday. Police identified the victim as Aasiya Z. Hassan, 37. Detectives have charged her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, 44, with second-degree murder. "He came to the police station at 6:20 p.m. [Thursday] and told us that she was dead," Orchard Park Police Chief Andrew Benz said late this morning. Muzzammil Hassan told police that his wife was at his business, Bridges TV, on Thorn Avenue in the village. Officers went to that location and discovered her body. Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light. The killing apparently occurred some time late Thursday afternoon. Detectives still are looking for the murder weapon. "Obviously, this is the worst form of domestic violence possible," Erie County District Attorney Frank A. Sedita III said today. Authorities say Aasiya Hassan recently had filed for divorce from her husband. "She had an order of protection that had him out of the home as of Friday the 6th [of February]," Benz said. Muzzammil Hassan was arraigned before Village Justice Deborah Chimes and sent to the Erie County Holding Center.

http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/578644.html

comments, abu the deciever?

sprint, dunno how good your memory is (doesn't seem to be very good) but that article has been posted numerous times before. Why should I be commenting on it anyway? Are you under some delusion that this thread is about people posting something from the other religion and asking them to comment?

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Officials on Wednesday charged a US man with plotting to attack US and allied forces in Iraq and strike at a shopping mall as he sought to wage "jihad" on American interests. The charges against US-born Tarek Mehanna, 27, who has dual US-Egyptian citizenship, were just the latest in a rash of cases brought to light by US investigators in recent weeks. Mehanna and his co-conspirators also allegedly plotted to kill two top US officials in the previous administration, acting US attorney Michael Loucks said in a statement. If convicted he faces up to 15 years in jail. When Mehanna appeared in court, he initially refused to stand for the judge before the terrorism charge against him was read. He finally did stand - tossing his chair loudly to the floor - only after his father urged him to do so. Mehanna, from Massachusetts, is said to have conspired with a man named as Ahmad Abousamra and others from 2001 to May 2008 "to kill, kidnap, maim or injure persons or damage property in a foreign country and extraterritorial homicide of a US national."

http://images.smh.com.au/2009/10/22/805313/Mehanna-200x0.jpg

http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-jihadist-charged-in-antiamerican-plots-20091022-h9bj.html?autostart=1

not standing before the judge ?? same as an accussed terrorist rrcently in auss.
wherever do they get such violent ideas and arrogance from ??

on and on and on it goes.



http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2009/10/muslim-protesters-insult-geert-wilders.html

10 pages of muslims murdering anyone who is not islamic.

the world would be more peaceful without the "religi9n of peace" - what a misnomer.





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TWIN suicide car-bombs blasted the Justice Ministry and the provincial offices in central Baghdad yesterday, killing at least 136 people and sparking turmoil in the embattled Iraqi capital. More than 700 people were wounded in the worst attack of the year. The blasts occurred within minutes of each other from about 10.30am (6.30pm AEDT) and left streets littered with charred bodies. The blasts, which the government said were carried out by al-Qa'ida and supporters of Saddam Hussein's banned Baath Party, destroyed dozens of cars and shattered water pipes, spewing dirty water into the streets. Authorities closed off roads leading to the bomb sites as fire trucks and ambulances struggled through thick traffic to reach the blazing buildings. A truck bomb detonated in a car park near the ministries of justice and labour, while a car bomb exploded opposite the Baghdad provincial government offices in Salhiyeh. At least 136 people were killed and more than 700 were injured, according to a tally from four hospitals in central Baghdad, al-Karama, Ibn Nafis, Medical City and Yarmuk. Shortly after the attacks, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki visited the site of the Saliyeh bombing, where he spoke to officials and security officers. "Why are they doing this to us?" shouted a man who gave his name only as Mohammed, sitting near the ravaged provincial buildings, his clothes covered in blood. "It's because of the election - they want to defy the government," he said, referring to January's planned general elections. Thick smoke billowed over the stricken area and flames could be seen coming from two buildings whose windows had been shattered by the force of the blasts. Rescue workers in Salhiyeh said they had to cover dead bodies in blankets before picking them up because they were too hot to touch. Firemen, meanwhile, were using their trucks' ladders to reach the upper floors of the ministries, fearing that many dead and wounded could be trapped. Several helicopters were flying over the area and dozens of humvees were lining the streets around the bomb sites. The explosions were a grim reminder of deadly blasts that shook the ministries of foreign affairs and finance on August 19, in which about 100 people were killed. The twin bombings came as Iraqi political leaders were to meet to try to end a deadlock over a stalled election law amid growing concerns that the country's January 16 election will have to be delayed. The meeting was scheduled to take place at 3.30pm. Lieutenant General Ali Ghaidan Majeed, commander of Iraqi ground forces, warned in an interview on Saturday that the coming months could see an upswing in violence in the lead-up to the January polls. He said security would probably only stabilise by the middle of next year after a transfer of power to a new government. "I am concerned that between now ... and July 2010, basically throughout the election and after with the transfer from the old government to the new government, maybe you will see terrorist activities increase," he said. Attacks have fallen dramatically compared to a year ago - violent deaths in September were the lowest since May - but are high by international standards. However, insurgents are still able to mount attacks, especially in Baghdad and the northern city of Mosul, which kill dozens.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26259642-601,00.html

I wander if it is all going to stop when US Army leaves?

So long as they take Maliki and Talibani with them, probably. If they leave their little puppet government in power then they haven't really left have they?? They've just setup locals to continue their work for them....

Not much of a critical thinker are ya happy??

Happy wrote on Oct 26^th, 2009 at 12:28pm:

I wander if it is all going to stop when US Army leaves?

That the US army is there is ultimately immaterial, as far as the muslim-on-muslim slaughter is concerned. You can lead them away from their customary saddams and tiddums but you can't make them think. They are tribal people, like the afghanis, and they fight over tribal things. Come to think of it, islam has taken root in only tribl places which only latterly have been called countries. They need some brutal tribal chief over them to terrorise thm into, er,  submission. Muslims are big on submission...
Dialogue and peaceful negotiation is not their thing.

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That the US army is there is ultimately immaterial

Yeh right, because thousands of people were being killed each year before the U.S came in...

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 26^th, 2009 at 8:45pm:

Quote: That the US army is there is ultimately immaterial Yeh right, because thousands of people were being killed each year before the U.S came in...

Yes, that is right. Saddam's rule by terror is well documented. Don't act surprised.

thousands of people weren't dying each year... Even though it's well known Saddam was Ronny's little boy anyway. Young Donny used to go and give him his orders.

Either way, SINCE the entry of the U.S Iraq has seen the sharpest rise in violence of any country on earth since records have been kept.... But it's all the Muslims fault right, nothing to do with the U.S being there, of course.

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 26^th, 2009 at 8:56pm:

thousands of people weren't dying each year... Even though it's well known Saddam was Ronny's little boy anyway. Young Donny used to go and give him his orders. Either way, SINCE the entry of the U.S Iraq has seen the sharpest rise in violence of any country on earth since records have been kept.... But it's all the Muslims fault right, nothing to do with the U.S being there, of course.

Most of it is muslims on muslim violence. Like yesterday's bombing. Saddam or no Saddam, Ronny, Donny, Tinky-winky or Lala  - the muslim on muslim action goes on unabated.
But of course the west remains to be blamed as the mulims got nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

soren - i agree
it IS muslims murdering muslims and anyone.

have a gander at the HUGE more muslim daily madness thread abu

deflectionist lying islamic

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But of course the west remains to be blamed as the mulims got nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

If they withdraw completely, and leave them to themselves, then yes. But even then there'd still be some residual effect from all the mischief the U.S has caused in the country. Come on soren, the country was relatively peaceful, even completely subdued due to years of war with its neighbour and then a decade of sanctions. Now all of a sudden the world's superpowers ALL invade, and it's complete chaos... but it's the fault of Islam... like everything else is. You try, though unsuccessfully, to imply we blame everything on the West, yet the fact is you blame everything on Muslims/Islam, from the evil results of your invasions to the Bush fires to the stock market crash to the death of Michael Jackson. What next??? Perhaps we are responsible for the Andromeda galaxy heading towards the Milky Way on an inevitable collision course???

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A KATYUSHA-TYPE rocket fired from Lebanon hit northern Israel today without causing any casualties, prompting Israel to retaliate with a salvo of missiles, sources on both sides said. The rocket fired from Lebanon hit open ground east of the Israeli town of Kiryat Shmona and started a fire, which did not cause any serious damage, they said. Witnesses in Kiryat Shmona said Israeli artillery retaliated by firing on targets in southern Lebanon. Asked to comment, an Israeli military source would neither confirm nor deny that. Following the incident, a security source in Lebanon said eight rockets fired from Israeli hit near the border village of Hula. There were no immediate reports of casualties. UN peacekeeping troops and the Lebanese army cut off the road leading to Hula and were searching the area, an AFP correspondent said. Residents of Hula said they heard a rocket fired from the brush outside the village shortly before the rockets hit the area. This was the fourth rocket attack this year from Lebanon towards Israel and comes as cross-border tensions have been increasing. On September 11, at least two rockets fired from the southern village of al-Qlaileh slammed into Israel without causing casualties but triggering retaliatory artillery fire. A group linked to al-Qaeda claimed responsibility, according to US monitoring group SITE Intelligence. In February, Israeli artillery bombarded al-Qlaileh in response to a rocket attack. There were no casualties in Lebanon, while a few Israelis were lightly wounded. In January, during Israel's assault on the Gaza Strip, four rockets fired from Lebanon hit northern Israel, wounding two women. Shiite movement Hezbollah, which fought a devastating 34-day war with Israel in 2006, has its stronghold in south Lebanon, where a rocket exploded on October 12 in the home of activist Abdel Nasser Issa in Tayr Felsay village. The Israeli army released film it said showed rockets being removed from Mr Issa's home following the explosion, but Hezbollah said the pictures were of metal shutters at the location where explosion happened. The Israeli army said the blast "proves again the presence of weapons forbidden in southern Lebanon" under UN Security Council Resolution 1701, which ended the 2006 war. The 34-day war killed more than 1200 Lebanese, mostly civilians, and more than 160 Israelis, mostly soldiers. Resolution 1701 called for the removal of weapons in southern Lebanon from the hands of everyone except the Lebanese army and other state security forces. Israel has repeatedly accused Hezbollah of rearming, and an Israeli army spokesman claimed on Tuesday night the group had "dozens of arms caches containing hundreds of rockets". Following the October 12 incident, Israeli President Shimon Peres accused Hezbollah of having turned Lebanon into a powderkeg. "It's not Israel that is endangering Lebanon, but rather Hezbollah, just as Hamas is endangering the Palestinians. "There is no reason for Israel not to make peace with Lebanon," he said, adding that Israel's northern neighbour "could be, with the help of this peace, the Switzerland of the Middle East. But it's clear to everyone who is preventing this" .

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26270999-5012764,00.html

the mark of islamics ............


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TWO suicide bombs tore through Baghdad yesterday, killing 132 people, wounding more than 500 and leaving mangled bodies and cars on the streets in one of Iraq's deadliest days this year. The two blasts shredded buildings and smoke billowed from the area near the Tigris River. The first bomb targeted the Justice Ministry and the second, minutes later, was aimed at the nearby provincial government building, police said. Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's office said that the bombs were meant to sow chaos in Iraq similar to attacks on August 19 against the finance and foreign ministries, and were aimed at stopping an election in January. "It is the same black hands who are covered in the blood of the Iraqi people," Mr Maliki's office said. "They want to cause chaos in the nation, hinder the political process and prevent the Parliamentary election." US President Barack Obama said the bombings were outrageous and the White House said he had called Mr Maliki and Iraqi President Jalal Talabani to pledge to "stand with the Iraqis". "These bombings serve no purpose other than the murder of innocent men, women and children, and they only reveal the hateful and destructive agenda of those who would deny the Iraqi people the future that they deserve," Mr Obama said. Violence has fallen since US-backed tribal sheikhs helped wrest control from al-Qaeda and Washington sent extra troops. But attacks are still common in a nation trying to rebuild from years of conflict and prepare for the election at the same time as US forces start to withdraw. Officials have blamed unnamed neighbours for not stopping the attacks - a reference to Iraqi complaints that Syria provides a safe haven for former Baathists while citizens of other Sunni Muslim states help fund the insurgency in Iraq. Iran, meanwhile, has been accused of funding and arming Shi'ite militia. "The neighbouring and distant countries should immediately refrain, forever, from harbouring, financing and facilitating forces that openly proclaim their hostility to the Iraqi state," Mr Talabani said.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26260235-5012764,00.html

they will murder everyone to deny democracy.
want peace, either kill them or become an islamic

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 27^th, 2009 at 9:27am:

Quote: But of course the west remains to be blamed as the mulims got nuffin to do wiv nuffin. If they withdraw completely, and leave them to themselves, then yes. But even then there'd still be some residual effect from all the mischief the U.S has caused in the country. Come on soren, the country was relatively peaceful, even completely subdued due to years of war with its neighbour and then a decade of sanctions. Now all of a sudden the world's superpowers ALL invade, and it's complete chaos... but it's the fault of Islam... like everything else is. You try, though unsuccessfully, to imply we blame everything on the West, yet the fact is you blame everything on Muslims/Islam, from the evil results of your invasions to the Bush fires to the stock market crash to the death of Michael Jackson. What next??? Perhaps we are responsible for the Andromeda galaxy heading towards the Milky Way on an inevitable collision course???

Very well, given the long list of things that ail Muslim/Arab countries, give us a list of things/actions/inaction for which they do take responsibility.

1. Turning away from Islam (you see, I know you...)
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i think aussie media has tweaked to the reality of islam and what it means - finally.

get rid of the koran - it encourages terrorism and betrayal against aussie.


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US prosecutors say they have broken up an international terror plot, codenamed the Mickey Mouse Project, against the Danish newspaper that published cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed. The criminal complaint, unsealed yesterday, alleges that Chicago-based men spent at least a year working with a Pakistan-based terrorist group to plan an attack. Two men from Chicago, who went to military school in Pakistan, face terrorism charges for allegedly targeting the Jyllands-Posten newspaper, which outraged hardline Muslims by publishing the 12 cartoons in 2005. The men allegedly planned to kill cultural editor Flemming Rose and cartoonist Kurt Westergaard. The editor of Jyllands-Posten, Jorn Mikkelsen, said the alleged plot was "very unpleasant for the employees and we are all affected by these threats". Jyllands-Posten, Denmark's highest-circulation daily, triggered a furore in the Muslim world by publishing the cartoons. Demonstrators burned Danish flags in protests that culminated in February 2006 with the torching of Danish diplomatic offices in Damascus and Beirut and the deaths of dozens of people in Nigeria, Libya and Pakistan. David Headley, 49, a US citizen who changed his name from Daood Gilani in 2006, was arrested at O'Hare International Airport, Chicago, on October 3. Court papers say he hatched the plot last year and posted a message about the cartoons on an internet discussion group, saying: "I feel disposed toward violence for the offending parties." After his arrest, Mr Headley allegedly told FBI agents he began receiving training in 2006 from Lashkar-e-Toiba, the Pakistan terror group blamed for the Mumbai terror attacks last year. He also worked with a Pakistani with al-Qa'ida links named Ilyas Kashmiri, who was later reported killed in a US drone attack. In January, Individual A, another Lashkar-e-Toiba contact in Pakistan, allegedly urged Mr Headley by email to carry out what he called the Mickey Mouse Project "as early as possible". Court papers said Mr Headley told FBI agents he went to Denmark in January and July this year to carry out surveillance on the newspaper's offices in Copenhagen and Arhus "in preparation for an attack to be carried out by persons associated with Kashmiri and Individual A". Between trips he allegedly met Individual A in Pakistan. The complaint alleges: "Headley stated that he proposed the operation against the newspaper be reduced from attacking the entire building in Copenhagen to killing the paper's cultural editor, Flemming Rose, and the cartoonist who drew a cartoon of the Prophet Mohammed with a bomb in his turban, Kurt Westergaard, who Headley felt were directly responsible for the cartoons." Mr Headley is charged with conspiracy to commit terrorist acts involving murder and maiming outside the US, which carries a life sentence. While in Denmark he allegedly posed as a potential advertiser on behalf of a business run by Tahawwur Hussain Rana. Mr Rana, 48, who was arrested in Chicago on October 18, faces up to 15 years in prison if convicted of lending material support to a terrorist conspiracy. US and Danish officials called the plot a serious, but not immediate, threat. "We don't think that an attack has been immediate, but there has been very specific planning in order to carry out serious terrorist attacks in Denmark," said Jakob Scharf, the head of the Danish Security and Intelligence Service. Mr Scharf, who noted that one of the men "has very extensive contacts with leading militant extremists in Pakistan", said more arrests could be made. "This case is a reminder that the threat posed by international terrorist organisations is global in nature and requires constant vigilance at home and abroad," said David Kris, Assistant Attorney-General for National Security.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26273288-2703,00.html

What people fail to understand that any pictorial representation of the Prophet (PBUH) is considered the highest, most terrible insult to the religion and, given the current political climate I can understand why Muslims all over the world were angry. Neverthless, the way many reacted was wrong.
Just like sprinty call for the Koran to be banned is wrong.
Christians are making children drink acid and killing them ruthlessly in Africa because they are said to be "witches", does that mean the Bible should be banned? Remember that the bible calls for harsh punishment to be handed out to witches.
Eric Prince is still allowed to go on his "crusade" in Iraq, I guess that means we should be calling for the Bible to be banned?
What would the reaction be if Jesus was portrayed in a negative manner? Surely you would not expect Christians to be so tolerant.

what limp wristed leftards fail to understand is a drawing of moh being an insult is their problem.

the koran incites beheadings, violence against any nonislamic state as well as it being repressive and sexist.
it's crappily written and a literary equivalent to a 9 year olds story.

the NT does not call for that. grow a backbone

jesus has been portrayed in VERY insulting/degrading ways - no riots, deaths, threats etc etc etc.

ban the koran

blutigeroo wrote on Oct 29^th, 2009 at 2:24pm:

What people fail to understand that any pictorial representation of the Prophet (PBUH) is considered the highest, most terrible insult to the religion and, given the current political climate I can understand why Muslims all over the world were angry. Neverthless, the way many reacted was wrong. Just like sprinty call for the Koran to be banned is wrong. Christians are making children drink acid and killing them ruthlessly in Africa because they are said to be "witches", does that mean the Bible should be banned? Remember that the bible calls for harsh punishment to be handed out to witches. Eric Prince is still allowed to go on his "crusade" in Iraq, I guess that means we should be calling for the Bible to be banned? What would the reaction be if Jesus was portrayed in a negative manner? Surely you would not expect Christians to be so tolerant.

Who cares? In a secular society, I can draw whatever I want, including Mohammed whenever I like. If we have to tolerate them, they have to tolerate us.

Just because I feel strongly about something, doesnt give me the right or even the ability to commit threats of violence or actual violent acts themselves. Muslims try to use fear and intimidation to get people to self-censor, and this unacceptable behaviour has to be crushed with extreme prejudice.

If you dont like a free society - then get out - there are plenty of backward, tribal, totalitarian Islamofascist states for you to live in. If you live here, in the West, you live in a free society and you put up with things you dont like or you pack your bags.

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If you live here, in the West, you live in a free society and you put up with things you dont like or you pack your bags.

And likewise _you_ put up with Muslims protesting and expressing their disdain, isn't that a guaranteed right in a "free society"??

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 29^th, 2009 at 6:32pm:

Quote: If you live here, in the West, you live in a free society and you put up with things you dont like or you pack your bags. And likewise _you_ put up with Muslims protesting and expressing their disdain, isn't that a guaranteed right in a "free society"??

Sure it is. But the door swings both ways. I get to criticise heavily the things muslims do, if I want. They get to protest. But they dont get to make death threats or riot.

This society is being placed at risk by a new terror plot happening about once a month or so from the same community. Just one terror plot successfully hatched could *destroy* Australia's economy.

We have to end Islamic immigration. The more muslims, the more terror plots, the greater the society is being placed at risk. 'Tolerance' is not a suicide pact.

A successful terror strike of note on Sydney or Melbourne will make the Cronulla riots look like a Sunday picnic.  Then all the stupid posts in the world on this and other forum boards wont make things right. Think on that, o wise one.

calenan - yes, muslims online show their intolerance and arrogance.
in the world, they are exactly the same

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 30^th, 2009 at 8:21am:

calenan - yes, muslims online show their intolerance and arrogance. in the world, they are exactly the same

Absolutely.

Funny the other day, I heard of a proud member of the ummah who started a fight. Once he realised it was something he couldn't handle (he was on his own), he made claims about he would get his cousins here on the mobile phone in 5 mins. The person accosted said, 'I think I'll only need about 30 seconds to fix you up.'

Brave ummah man legged it at high speed.

Ummah story number 2.

Brave member of the ummah gets a taxi. Finds out the taxi driver is coptic, after first mistakenly thinking he is a brother when speaking to him in Arabic. 10 dollars on the metre. Says, 'Im not paying you kafir front bottom go bugger yourself.'  And gets out. Coptic driver says 'You embarrass yourself for 10 dollars, pitiful.'

Driver moves along slowly in traffic, and comes up to the lights. Ummah man sees cab driver again and says 'Kafir front bottom - go bugger yourself.' Coptic cab driver holds up a shiny new Iphone that he left on the seat, and says 'This yours?" Ummah man says 'Yes GIVE IT BACK! NOW' Lights change to green and Coptic man says 'No, I think you can GO bugger YOURSELF!' and drives off.

the west has had enough of muslims.
take your filthy violent sexist rag and vanish back to your camellands


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DETROIT – A leader of a radical U.S. Sunni Islam group killed in a shootout with federal agents near Detroit repeatedly told followers that the government was the enemy and they must be willing to take on the FBI — even if it meant death, authorities said. "You cannot have a nonviolent revolution," Luqman Ameen Abdullah said, according to a 2008 conversation secretly recorded by a confidential FBI source. Abdullah, 53, was killed Wednesday at a warehouse in Dearborn, where agents were attempting to arrest him on charges that included conspiracy to sell stolen goods and illegal possession and sale of firearms. He was one of 11 people named in a criminal complaint after a two-year investigation. FBI spokeswoman Sandra Berchtold said Abdullah refused to surrender, fired a weapon and was killed by gunfire from agents. The 43-page complaint described Abdullah as an extremist who believed the FBI bombed New York's World Trade Center in 1993 and the Oklahoma City federal building two years later. Abdullah beat children with sticks at his Detroit mosque, the complaint claimed, and was trained with his followers in the use of firearms, martial arts and swords. Neither Abdullah nor his co-defendants were charged with terrorism. But he was "advocating and encouraging his followers to commit violent acts against the United States," FBI agent Gary Leone wrote in an affidavit filed with the complaint. The FBI said Abdullah, also known as Christopher Thomas, was an imam, or prayer leader, of a radical group named Ummah whose primary mission is to establish an Islamic state within the U.S. Abdullah told followers that it was their "duty to oppose the FBI and the government and it does not matter if they die" and to "simply shoot a cop in the head" if they wanted the officer's bulletproof vest, Leon wrote. The affidavit also said bombs, guns and even the recipe for TNT were among Abdullah's regular topics with his allies. Group members and former members said they were "willing to do anything Abdullah instructs and/or preaches, even including criminal conduct and acts of violence," the FBI agent wrote. But that description doesn't match what Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations' Michigan chapter, said he knew of Abdullah. "He would open up the mosque to homeless people. He used to run a soup kitchen and feed indigent people," Walid said. "I knew nothing of him that was related to any nefarious or criminal behavior." Walid said Abdullah had a wife and children. A phone number for the family had been disconnected. Ummah believes that a separate Islamic state in the U.S. would be controlled by Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin, formerly known as H. Rap Brown, who is serving a life sentence in a federal prison in Colorado for shooting two police officers in Georgia in 2000, Leone said. Al-Amin, a veteran of the black power movement, started the group after he converted to Islam in prison. "They're not taking their cues from overseas," said Jimmy Jones, a professor of world religions at Manhattanville College and a longtime Muslim prison chaplain. "This group is very much American born and bred." Abdullah's mosque is in a brick duplex on a residential street in Detroit. A sign on the door in English and Arabic reads, in part, "There is no God but Allah." The mosque was located elsewhere in the city until the property was lost in January because of unpaid taxes. When the eviction took place, a search turned up empty shell casings and large holes in the concrete wall of a "shooting range," Leone said. Seven of the 10 people charged with Abdullah were in custody, including a state prison inmate, the U.S. attorney's office said. Three were still at large. Another man not named in the complaint also was arrested. The FBI built its case over two years with the help of confidential sources close to Abdullah who recorded conversations and participated in undercover operations involving the sale of furs, laptop computers, televisions, energy drinks and power tools. Abdullah received at least 20 percent of any profit and claimed the "Prophet Muhammad said that it is okay to participate in theft; as long as that person prays, they are in a good state," Leone wrote in the affidavit. Imad Hamad, regional director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee in Dearborn, said the FBI briefed him about the arrests. "We know that this is not something to be projected as something against Muslims," Hamad said.

This is not the first time religion has been used as a recruitment tool and as a way of wrongly justifying their behaivour. It happens all over the world, it is only the Muslims that make it to the news. For example, recently the Israeli Jewish settlers were accused of stealing land and water from the Palestinians and using their God-given rights over the land of Israel as an excuse. Kenyan churches have been accused for forcing their followers to hand over money, claiming religious persecution in the hereafter if the community members do not comply. I do not blame the Jewish people or the Christians for the actions of a few.
As for pictorial representations of the Prophet (PBUH), did you know that the same newspaper that printed the Danish cartoon would not print cartoons portraying Christianity and Jesus in a negative manner because they said it would incite hatred and they did not want to "offend" Christians. Talk about double standards. When in a secular society it is not okay for majorities to pick on and single out minorities. Yes, the Muslim response was way overblown but as members of a secular society it is out duty to tolerate others. The way Muslims reacted was condemned in the Muslim media: Al-Jazeera, Dawn etc but they also made a point of the fact that Westerners hold double standards--which is true. Your failure to realize that the Bible does permit violence in the same way the Koran does is an example of such double standards. In fact the punishments the Koran permits for apostasy, adultery, treason are EXACTLY the same as the punishments permitted under Biblical law. This does not mean that the Bible should be banned. If passages in the Qur’an make the Prophet of Islam a violent man, then most of the great personalities in the Bible, from Jacob to Moses to David and other Biblical characters were no less violent individuals.
In fact your calls for banning the Koran as very judgmental and ill thought out. Banning the Koran will do nothing but anger 1.3 billion of the people in the world (20% of the World's population), we do not need more hatred and violence in the world. It has been pointed out in many cases that the reasons for Muslim violence are not Koranic, rather they relate to socio-political issues facing Muslims today. THe best way to tackle this violence is not to answer bigotry with bigotry, it is to improve educational standards, not invade countries to steal their resources, take an even-handed approach to middle eastern affairs and encourgae interfaith dialogue.

blutigeroo wrote on Oct 30^th, 2009 at 10:42am:

As for pictorial representations of the Prophet (PBUH), did you know that the same newspaper that printed the Danish cartoon would not print cartoons portraying Christianity and Jesus in a negative manner because they said it would incite hatred and they did not want to "offend" Christians. Talk about double standards. When in a secular society it is not okay for majorities to pick on and single out minorities. Yes, the Muslim response was way overblown but as members of a secular society it is out duty to tolerate others.

There is no double standard.

The Lutheran church is the Danish National Church. Islam is not.

what islamic deflective nonsense

jesus has been portrayed in many insulting manners, not one march or threat.
the NT (for christians) does not permit beheadings, as the koran does.
what poo you talk.

no society is "christian", they are democratic and secular.
the idea of seperation of religion and law is foreign to islamic nutters.
it is why the west adapts and islam areas are repressive and stagnant.

christians do not follow moses, david or jacob
muslims follow moh who encouraged and congratulated assassinations.

no wonder you don't like moh criticised - there is MUCH to criticise him about.

yet another "quiet gentle" muslims surprises friends by gunning down as many infidels as he can.


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..............The younger man, a US-born Muslim of Palestinian descent, told his uncle about ethnic taunts by army colleagues. A sensitive man, he was haunted by the wartime disabilities of soldiers he treated as an army psychiatrist, Mr Hamad recalled, and was overwhelmed by a growing caseload he felt unable to manage........ ......described his nephew as a gentle soul who once.............. .........The young man became more religious after the death of his parents, who were Muslims but not observant, Mr Hamad said. His turn to religion had nothing to do with political identity, Mr Hamad and other West Bank relatives said.......... ..

http://www.smh.com.au/world/hasan-was-quiet-and-gentle-relatives-say-20091108-i3kp.html

what sort of a religion does that ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 30^th, 2009 at 12:22pm:

christians do not follow moses, david or jacob muslims follow moh who encouraged and congratulated assassinations. no wonder you don't like moh criticised - there is MUCH to criticise him about.

Moslems clearly revere, to the point of worship, a man [Mohammed], as though he were equal with God.

EXAMPLE,

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/cartoon-protest12.jpg
Teaching muslim children, ISLAMIC values [London]





Further,

'Allah, AND his apostle'.
Allah was always very mindful of all of Muhammad's needs.
Allah, a severe God to all of humanity, except to Muhammad, to whom Allah gives divine sanction, to all of Muhammad's needs.
Part 161 - Muhammad and Allah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyz5uvJ5dVk


'Allah, AND his apostle'.
Allah and Muhammad equal in importance, and it is clear that whatever does not please Muhammad, the same with Allah.
Muhammad, the narcissist.
Part 163 - Muhammad the Humble
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFcDXs01DIg



A full list of all, al Rassooli's "AhmadsQuran3" talks, available on YOUTUBE....
http://www.al-rassooli.com/ahmadsquran3/

this one is monty pythonish funny. If it did not point to something fundamentally wrong with islam.


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AN IRAQI court has ordered The Guardian to pay the Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, damages of 100 million dinar ($95,000) after supporting a complaint by his intelligence service that he had been defamed by a story in the British newspaper in April describing him as increasingly autocratic. The ruling ignored testimony by three expert witnesses from the Iraqi journalists' union summoned by the court, who all said the article was neither defamatory nor insulting, and who argued that no damages were warranted. The Guardian said it would appeal against the verdict. The judgment was heavily criticised as a further blow against the freedom of Iraq's already embattled news media. The British Foreign Secretary, David Miliband, said: ''I was very concerned to hear reports of the court ruling. Media freedom is vital in any democracy. If the case goes to appeal, I ask the Iraqi authorities to ensure that their courts, which are independent, follow due process in accordance with the Iraqi constitution.'' Alan Rusbridger, editor of The Guardian, said: ''This is a dismaying development. Prime Minister Maliki is trying to construct a new, free Iraq. Freedom means little without free speech - and means even less if a head of state tries to use the law of libel to punish criticism or dissent. We will vigorously contest this judgment.'' The article in question, by Ghaith Abdul-Ahad, an award-winning staff correspondent for The Guardian, quoted three unnamed members of the Iraqi national intelligence service as saying Mr Maliki was beginning to run Iraqi affairs with an authoritarian hand. Mr Maliki has repeatedly portrayed press freedoms as essential to nation-building efforts in Iraq's young democracy.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/paper-fined-for-criticising-maliki-20091111-ia0p.html

maliki is not one of ours, he's one of yours. any rubbish he does is a reflection on his masters, not on us.

it appears to me he is a muslim, but we can agree this action of his is rubbish ?




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Iraq's new Prime Minister Nouri Maliki - who is also sometimes called Jawad Maliki - is a stalwart of the Dawa party, the Shia political group that for years led an armed underground resistance to the secular Baathist leadership of Saddam Hussein

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4932468.stm

sounds pretty islamic to me.

Sounds Shi'a to me. But even the Shi'a denounce him as a Western lackey anyway. Sprint you fail to see the point. He's there for you, he rules for you, he carries out your commands and agenda, not ours. He has absolutely no connection to Muslims at all, other than he's your lackey to rule us... that's about it. And you know it, you just always insist on arguing the same ridiculous childish points.

So look to yourselves first and foremost for explanations about the guys behaviour, same deal with Karzai.

abu - do you see the "identity issue" the world has with this sort of thing?
he says he is a muslim, he is in a muslim country (in this case leads it), his actions are in agreeance wth the koran and mohs life.

in this case, I guess he was voted in by other muslims.

Come on sprint stop deluding yourself. He was put into power by the U.S after they demolished the country. Likewise with Karzai, and I'm sure they'll continue propping him up like Karzai. Just because you put a puppet into power doesn't mean he's a representative of those people. Not to anyone with half a brain anyway... sorry that excludes you doesn't it.

typical islamic entertainment for the 200 onlookers.
mohammad was a murdering paed who left this for the plebs that follow him.



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A judge for an Islamic militant group in Somalia says a woman has been stoned to death and her boyfriend given 100 lashes for having an affair. Sheikh Ibrahim Abdirahman, the judge for the group al-Shabab, says the woman was killed on Tuesday in front of a crowd of some 200 people near the town of Wajid. Abdirahman says the 20-year-old woman had an affair with a 29-year-old unmarried man and gave birth to a stillborn child. The militants that control much of southern Somalia and have links to al-Qaeda have instituted a conservative reading of Islam's Sharia law. The stoning death was at least the fourth for adultery in Somalia over the past year. It was the second time a female has been killed.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/somali-woman-stoned-to-death-for-adultery-20091119-imuh.html

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a woman has been stoned to death and her boyfriend given 100 lashes for having an affair

Doesn't sound right to me... in shari'ah both would be given the death penalty if it were proved. Probably more propagandous rubbish.

so if both were murdered for making love, that'ld be ok by you?

How you can twist "making adultery against her husband" into "making love" is just beyond me. If you were her husband is that how you'd phrase it?

Anyway, it's highly unlikely the media has reported the actual story anyway, but just sensationalised garbage, so it's best not to comment on it.

just answer the question, lying deceptive islamic abu.

i assume you are ok with people being publically murdered for making love.

ban the koran for it inciting violence

just answer the question, lying deceptive islamic abu.

i assume you are ok with people being publically murdered for making love.

poo on the koran for it inciting violence



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FIVE people arrested after Iran's disputed presidential election have been condemned to death and 81 jailed for up to 15 years. "So far, 89 people have been tried, five of whom have been sentenced to death and 81 given jail terms of between six months and 15 years," said state television's website, citing a Justice Ministry statement. The five sentenced to death were convicted of "having relations with or membership in anti-revolutionary, terrorist or opposition groups". The verdicts can be appealed, the statement said, adding the convicts would be identified after finalisation of the decrees. The defendants were tried on such charges as "war against God, action against the country's security, propaganda against the Islamic republic, vandalism and participation or co-operation in beating people". Three of them were acquitted and three of those ordered jailed have received suspended sentences, the statement said. Deadly street rallies broke out after its June 12 presidential vote, with protesters claiming Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's re-election was rigged. The opposition anger unleashed the most serious internal unrest in Iran in the 30 years since the Islamic Revolution. About 4000 people were arrested, and 140 of them, including senior reformers and journalists, were shown on television in mass trials charged with seeking a "soft" overthrow of the regime. Many people detained in the uprising were beaten and at least three died in detention, including Mohsen Ruholamini, the son of a senior conservative politician. His death provoked such an outcry, even among the regime's sympathisers, that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader, was forced to close the Kahrizak detention centre.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/death-sentences-over-iranian-election-protest/story-e6frg6so-1225799472965

this is the real islam.
give it ANY heedance at your peril.

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THE Philippines government has expressed outrage and vowed justice following the gruesome killings of 21 people who were among a group of politicians and journalists abducted in the troubled south. "This is a gruesome massacre of civilians unequalled in recent history," said Jess Dureza, President Gloria Arroyo's adviser on the strife-torn southern region of Mindanao where the murders took place. "There must be a total stop to this senseless violence. I strongly recommend that a state of emergency be imposed in the area and everyone be disarmed. Anything less will not work." Arroyo's adviser on political affairs, Gabriel Claudio, expressed similar sentiments. "We're in shock and in total outrage," Mr Claudio said. "Justice will be served and the perpetrators punished, whoever they are." The victims were among a group of about 40 journalists and local officials who were kidnapped on Monday morning by armed men in Maguindanao province. The military said the others remained unaccounted for, but operations were under way to find them in a hinterland area. The journalists were accompanying the wife of Esmael Mangudadatu and his supporters to file his candidacy for governorship of the mostly Muslim southern province of Maguindanao in next year's national elections. They were stopped at a roadside checkpoint and forcibly taken to a hinterland area by men with links to the incumbent governor Andal Ampatuan, the military said. The Mangudadatu clan is known to have a long-running feud with the family of Ampatuan, who police say is known to control his own private army. Members of the Ampatuan family were unreachable.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/philippine-government-vows-justice-for-massacre/story-fn3dxix6-1225802548457

those assassainated (a thing moh did ) were beheaded (another thing moh did).
join the dots people ...........

So why are they occupying Muslim land? And killing Muslims... That's ok though isn't it, Muslim blood is cheap. No problem, perfectly fine for Christians to murder Muslims, steal their land and push them into oblivion.... Hypocrite!

the phillipines is not muslim land , abu the deceiver.

it is only the muslims there that are murdeirng others , esp for political gain.
just like that kiddy fiddler you follow.

on and on the muislims go though, spreading bloodshed where they flow.


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FIVE Afghan border guards were killed when a roadside bomb blast hit their patrol in the troubled southern province of Kandahar today, police said. The attack occurred in the Spin Boldak district bordering Pakistan during a pre-dawn patrol, said General Abdul Raziq, provincial border police commander. "In an explosion this morning all five border policemen were killed when their vehicle was hit," he told AFP. The Taliban, waging a violent insurgency that is at its worst in the south, claimed responsiblity for the bombing, with spokesman Yousuf Ahmadi, speaking from an undisclosed location, saying eight policemen had been killed. The Taliban often make wildly exaggerated claims on such incidents. Roadside bombs, often made from a mixture of fertiliser, fuel and metal, have become the weapon of choice for the Taliban-led militants and are causing increasing numbers of casualties among foreign and Afghan forces. The United States and NATO have more than 100,000 troops fighting the Taliban, which is spreading its footprint across the country. President Hamid Karzai, re-elected in a fraud-marred vote in August, used his inauguration speech on Thursday to say that Afghan forces will take responsiblity for national security in five years.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26384973-5012761,00.html


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A SUICIDE bomber blew himself up outside a court building in Peshawar today, killing at least 15 people, officials said, in the latest of a series of attacks on the northwestern Pakistan city. The city, near the Afghan border, has been targeted several times since the army began an offensive against the Taliban in South Waziristan last month and militants stepped up retaliatory attacks. "The attacker was on foot and blew himself when guards tried to search him at the gates of the court," senior city administrator Sahibzada Anis said. The army went on the offensive in South Waziristan on the Afghan border on October 17, aiming to root out Pakistani Taliban militants who stepped up their war on the security forces in 2007.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26372476-5012764,00.html

in case you had not nioticed abu the deceiver, the world vehemnetly dislikes islamics and is very suspicous of every muslim.

no mosques in auss thanks

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the phillipines is not muslim land

Go read some history.

The Spanish invaded and conquered the Phillipines from the Muslims and pushed them into one tiny little group of islands at the bottom, from where they are still resisting the Christian imposition on them.

Abu, is Islam younger than most other major religions?

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 24^th, 2009 at 12:11am:

So why are they occupying Muslim land? And killing Muslims... That's ok though isn't it, Muslim blood is cheap. No problem, perfectly fine for Christians to murder Muslims, steal their land and push them into oblivion.... Hypocrite!

"Allah Akbar!!!! Allah Akbar!!!! Allah Akbar!!!! I want to die for Allah!"

Not words that will ever come out of a Yadda's mouth.


Hypocrite?

Declaring that you wish to die for your god, and then crying, whining, that people are killing you, in retaliation, for murdering them and theirs?

Yes, hypocrite!

what islamic poo  flows from your empty mind islamabu.


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Early History -The Negritos are believed to have migrated to the Philippines some 30,000 years ago from Borneo, Sumatra, and Malaya. The Malayans followed in successive waves. These people belonged to a primitive epoch of Malayan culture, which has apparently survived to this day among certain groups such as the Igorots. The Malayan tribes that came later had more highly developed material cultures.

http://pinas.dlsu.edu.ph/history/history.html

ding - you lose, abu.

as if time did not exist before your murdering pardophile killed his way to noteriority.

jordan,


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Abu, is Islam younger than most other major religions?

It's the youngest of the major world religions. And that has what to do with the discussion?

sprint,


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ding - you lose, abu.

You infantile idiot.

Go and read the recent history, not 30,000 years ago. Are you really that mentally deficient?

Here's a start

So, when Islam began, did all muslims inhabit areas of the world that were completely uninhabited until muslims came along?

Well Islam has a two tiered system of declaring what is, by god given right, "their land".
First we have any land where muslims do live, have lived, or may want to live.

Secondly we have any land where they either won, or lost a battle for possession of that land.

Got it?
Good.
Now get out.

Jordan, you seem to want to take a 'bottom up' approach to the issue, rather than a more logical 'top down' approach.

The Muslims of the Phillipines were invaded by the Christians, pushed into a little corner of their land, and are still resisting that imposition. Compare that to Egypt for instance, where Muslims came, took over the land, over several centuries (and even today) the people embraced Islam, until it became a Muslim land and now we have a predominantly Muslim country with a little Christian minority. If the Coptics fought to take it back... then I could see your point, but they did not. From day one they welcomed and accepted Islamic rule. And monks in St Catherines Monastery in Sinai still today hold the document they negotiated with the companions of Muhammad (pbuh) to prove it.

So if the Hindus for instance fought Muslims to expel them from India, as they did in the partition, then I would accept your point, and would not complain. You are the ones complaining about Muslims wanting to fight to remove the imposition of an invader in THEIR land.

By your reasoning, we all own Africa, and nothing else.... Very good. Next.

mozza,

Only a fool (as we saw above) would deny that the Phillipines was an Islamic Sultanate when the Spanish Christians arrived, and that they invaded and occupied the land and pushed the Muslims into a tiny little corner of it (Mindanao) which Muslims are today now fighting to even maintain...

Muslims are fighting for their very survival in the last little corner of the Phillipines which they managed not to be eradicated from, and yet still that's too much isn't it??

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 24^th, 2009 at 9:27pm:

Muslims are fighting for their very survival in the last little corner of the Phillipines which they managed not to be eradicated from, and yet still that's too much isn't it??

It is because they are such pains in the arse as a matter of Islamic policy. Islam makes them do it.

Show me one place where the Mohammedan minority is not restive and I will show you a place where they don't take Islam seriously as a public policy.
There is a direct correlation: more Islam in the heads, more pains in the arse.

abu the decievcer - WHO was there before muslims?

or did muslims appear first, then the land grow under them ?
FKWT

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 24^th, 2009 at 9:23pm:

Jordan, you seem to want to take a 'bottom up' approach to the issue, rather than a more logical 'top down' approach.

Answer the question, abu.

So, when Islam began, did all muslims inhabit areas of the world that were completely uninhabited until muslims came along?

The question is moot. The same applies for all peoples, all religions and all places. And does not detract one iota from the fact the current people of the Phillipines, ie. Muslims and Christians have a relationship that consists of a people (ie. the Muslims) who were invaded and marginalised by another people (ie. the Christians) and are resisting it. That's the reality there, like it or lump it.

I'll tell you one thing though, when the Muslims arrived in Phillipines, the people certainly weren't Roman Catholics.

the question is valid and you have STILL not answered
when did it become "muslim" land? who decided this ?

Still ok with publically murdering lovers, you insecure misogynist?
the deciever is unveiled once again

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 25^th, 2009 at 11:14am:

The question is moot.

The question is valid. Now answer it.

The Philippines was inhabited by Buddhists, Hindus and other indigenous religions before the arrival of Islam. After that came the Christians. This in no way means you can lay claim that this is a "muslim land".