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I would not call myself a racist, but i have never been called a whore for wearing a bikini to the beach by anyone who was not middle eastern, and i have been called such on many occassions on the beaches of Cronulla. If women wearing bikinis offends, enrages or upsets you please keep your thoughts to yourself and if you cant keep your thoughts to yourself dont come to the beach where you may be so offended, its as simple as that. It was a build up of 20 years of this type of abusive behaviour that came to a head with the Cronulla riots, and while i was not there and feel embarrassed about the riots i understand the rage felt in the week leading up to it. Oh and if, in the words so elegantly shouted at me "allah dams all white whores" i am glad not to have anything to do with Allah- wearing a bikini does not make you a whore and you dont have to be white to be racist. Its the behaviour of a few that unfortunately disgraces the rest and influences others. Posted by: Smiley girl on April 8, 2009 3:36 PM

http://blogs.smh.com.au/travel/archives/2009/04/how_to_cure_your_xenophobia.html?page=fullpage#comments

That post would be good in Islam as psychosis as well.
However since it highlights muslim racism and sexism it is apropriate here too.
I wonder what islamic apologists would come with to explain devoted muslims reference to racism and sexism of allah in this way "allah dams all white whores"?

tallowood wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 10:02am:

That post would be good in Islam as psychosis as well. However since it highlights muslim racism and sexism it is apropriate here too. I wonder what islamic apologists would come with to explain devoted muslims reference to racism and sexism of allah in this way "allah dams all white whores"?

PICK ONE.....

"Muslims 'love' all white women."

"Its a Kuffar lie! I can't find "allah damns all white whores", in the Koran anywhere."

"No real muslim would say that, "allah damns all white whores". The miscreant musta been one of those many muslim impersonators."

"You are 'misrepresenting' what muslims said/meant!"

"All of you 'unbelievers' are destined for Allah's hell - not just the pretty 'white whores'."

"What is to debate???
.....ISLAM, good.
.....All you 'unbelieving' 'white whores', bad."

Yadda wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 11:19am:

PICK ONE..... "Muslims 'love' all white women."

"I TOOK HER AS MY CAPTIVE WIFE - ALLAH MADE ME DO IT!"


http://www.jihadwatch.org/0823Somalia_Missing_400big.jpg
April 8, 2009
Somalia: Islamists rape, and impregnate, Canadian captive




But listen folks.....
....these are not REAL muslims.

Just more muslim impersonators.






April 8, 2009
Somalia: Islamists rape, and impregnate, Canadian captive
MOGADISHU --Amanda Lindhout, a Canadian journalist who was abducted by habar-gidir .. hawiye al-shabaab wing gunmen in the Somali capital Mogadishu about eight months ago is reportedly pregnant after she was apparently raped by her abductors.
......Some reports suggest that one the abductors made Amanda as his wife...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025592.phpi

The Holy Koran states that muslims may marry, or make sex slaves, of captured women [war booty].

These captured women become the property, slaves, of muslim men.




FROM THE KORAN,

Talking of 'war booty'.....

"And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war),...."
quran 008.041



Talking of who muslim men may have sex with.....

"Also (prohibited are) women already married, except THOSE WHOM YOUR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS:......"
quran 004.024

What does....
"women.....whom your right hands possess"
.....mean ???

"whom your right hands possess" = = war booty, i.e. captive women slaves.

Yadda wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 12:09pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 11:19am: PICK ONE..... "Muslims 'love' all white women." "I TOOK HER AS MY CAPTIVE WIFE - ALLAH MADE ME DO IT!" http://www.jihadwatch.org/0823Somalia_Missing_400big.jpg April 8, 2009 Somalia: Islamists rape, and impregnate, Canadian captive But listen folks..... ....these are not REAL muslims. Just more muslim impersonators. April 8, 2009 Somalia: Islamists rape, and impregnate, Canadian captive MOGADISHU --Amanda Lindhout, a Canadian journalist who was abducted by habar-gidir .. hawiye al-shabaab wing gunmen in the Somali capital Mogadishu about eight months ago is reportedly pregnant after she was apparently raped by her abductors. ......Some reports suggest that one the abductors made Amanda as his wife... http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025592.php

Whilst I truly believe that this liberal jouranlist had it coming (As well as other anti-racists and multiculturalism supporters)...

... does anyone else feel physically sick when reading stories like this?

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 9^th, 2009 at 10:08pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 12:09pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 11:19am: PICK ONE..... "Muslims 'love' all white women." "I TOOK HER AS MY CAPTIVE WIFE - ALLAH MADE ME DO IT!" http://www.jihadwatch.org/0823Somalia_Missing_400big.jpg April 8, 2009 Somalia: Islamists rape, and impregnate, Canadian captive But listen folks..... ....these are not REAL muslims. Just more muslim impersonators. April 8, 2009 Somalia: Islamists rape, and impregnate, Canadian captive MOGADISHU --Amanda Lindhout, a Canadian journalist who was abducted by habar-gidir .. hawiye al-shabaab wing gunmen in the Somali capital Mogadishu about eight months ago is reportedly pregnant after she was apparently raped by her abductors. ......Some reports suggest that one the abductors made Amanda as his wife... http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025592.php Whilst I truly believe that this liberal jouranlist had it coming (As well as other anti-racists and multiculturalism supporters)... ... does anyone else feel physically sick when reading stories like this?

All right they are “ Anti-racists and multiculturalism supporters ”.
What about you, how can you describe yourself ? Maybe as British Victorian fascist skinhead racist supporter.

Al Quada called Obama a 'House Negro.' Guess they missed the 'No racisim in Islam' lecture.

Multiculturalism is a stupid philosophy, because it accepts ANY culture, no matter how backward, barbaric, useless, hostile it is to our own. There is no standing for any value, we are 'amoral' rather than immoral, in that we do not believe that we have the right, or even the ability to stand for anything ourselves, we just have to accept as correct, learned and useful - whatever anyone else stands for without applying any critical thought.

Some people would call that idiotic. But no, it's government policy.

Calanen wrote on Apr 11^th, 2009 at 11:51am:

Al Quada called Obama a 'House Negro.' Guess they missed the 'No racisim in Islam' lecture. Multiculturalism is a stupid philosophy, because it accepts ANY culture, no matter how backward, barbaric, useless, hostile it is to our own. There is no standing for any value, we are 'amoral' rather than immoral, in that we do not believe that we have the right, or even the ability to stand for anything ourselves, we just have to accept as correct, learned and useful - whatever anyone else stands for without applying any critical thought. Some people would call that idiotic. But no, it's government policy.

Multiculturalism does not accept any culture, multi culturalism tolerates existing cultures in the society letting people to choose the best what they want in accordance with proclaimed individual freedom in the western world societies.
Multi culturalism is very important for young countries and societies like Australia because it is only sensible way for them to create cultural and national identity that they don’t have at the present.
The biggest opponents of multiculturalism in Australia are British Victorian fascists who want to impose Anglo-Saxon colonial rules on more then 60% of Australian non Anglosaxon population, which is noting else then new form of Fascism.

Capito Sinjore Englezo

It is understandable that so many get upset about multiculturalism, as it means so many different things, to so many different people.

When stupid politicians attempt to make culturally sensitive decisions, and just end up displaying inane levels of political correctness, then naturally the normal person despairs of their ability to act sensibly.
This does not mean that we need to go to the opposite extreme, it just means that we should rely on our own common sense, and our own standards of decency, to decide how to fairly treat other aussies from different ethnic backgrounds to ourselves.

Multiculturalism does not carry an implied need for us to display a cultural cringe, or to support standards we do not agree with, it just suggests that we give everyone a fair go.

Personally, I cannot think of a better aussie characteristic than that, we have been famous for our egalitarian attitudes since the very earliest days of our history.

That is all that multiculturalism means to me, just giving people a fair go, nothing more, nothing less.

athos wrote on Apr 11^th, 2009 at 11:07am:

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 10:08pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 12:09pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 11:19am: PICK ONE..... "Muslims 'love' all white women." "I TOOK HER AS MY CAPTIVE WIFE - ALLAH MADE ME DO IT!" http://www.jihadwatch.org/0823Somalia_Missing_400big.jpg April 8, 2009 Somalia: Islamists rape, and impregnate, Canadian captive But listen folks..... ....these are not REAL muslims. Just more muslim impersonators. April 8, 2009 Somalia: Islamists rape, and impregnate, Canadian captive MOGADISHU --Amanda Lindhout, a Canadian journalist who was abducted by habar-gidir .. hawiye al-shabaab wing gunmen in the Somali capital Mogadishu about eight months ago is reportedly pregnant after she was apparently raped by her abductors. ......Some reports suggest that one the abductors made Amanda as his wife... http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025592.php Whilst I truly believe that this liberal jouranlist had it coming (As well as other anti-racists and multiculturalism supporters)... ... does anyone else feel physically sick when reading stories like this? All right they are “ Anti-racists and multiculturalism supporters ”. What about you, how can you describe yourself ? Maybe as British Victorian fascist skinhead racist supporter.

I describe myself as a realist, Athos.

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Multiculturalism does not accept any culture, multi culturalism tolerates existing cultures in the society letting people to choose the best what they want in accordance with proclaimed individual freedom in the western world societies.

In my opinion, the definition of multiculturalism is unclear and differs from person to person.

This proves to me somewhat of how reckless multiculturalism really is as a policy. Clearly it is a misguided policy with no clear goals or ambitions. All it is... is empty catch-cries and feel-good slogans.



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Multi culturalism is very important for young countries and societies like Australia because it is only sensible way for them to create cultural and national identity that they don’t have at the present.

We actually do have quite a distinct Australian culture, Athos. I've only come to realise it recently upon visiting Australia after 1 year living overseas. I, like so many absent minded Australians, actually believed the so-called experts when they claimed Australia had no culture. Since then, I've got some experience under my belt and I'm pleasantly surprised to see how different Australia is from the rest of the world.

And no, recent waves of immigration and a forced multicuralism policy have not contributed at all in creating a national identity, Athos. The culture that defines Australia and separates us from other nations is the culture that developed and shaped this nation prior to the 1980s.



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The biggest opponents of multiculturalism in Australia are British Victorian fascists who want to impose Anglo-Saxon colonial rules on more then 60% of Australian non Anglosaxon population, which is noting else then new form of Fascism.

Who are these British fascists you speak of?

mozzaok wrote on Apr 11^th, 2009 at 4:32pm:

That is all that multiculturalism means to me, just giving people a fair go, nothing more, nothing less.

What does giving 'everyone a fair go' actually mean, Mozzaok?

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 2:03am:

The culture that defines Australia and separates us from other nations is the culture that developed and shaped this nation prior to the 1980s.

That'd include the migration of Italians, Greeks and other displaced people after the war then.

Don't let the old codgers hear you say that. The ones left who think the 'deigos and wogs' destroyed their Shangri-La.

No doubt about it, we're products of our times.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 2:05am:

mozzaok wrote on Apr 11th, 2009 at 4:32pm: That is all that multiculturalism means to me, just giving people a fair go, nothing more, nothing less. What does giving 'everyone a fair go' actually mean, Mozzaok?

It means letting as many people into the country that believe in the violent overthrow of our country's government, the installation of theocratic fascism, supporting terror and hatred of women, and that anyone who challenges such a philosophy is a nazi islamophobe race hater.

Calanen wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 10:09am:

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 12th, 2009 at 2:05am: What does giving 'everyone a fair go' actually mean, Mozzaok? It means letting as many people into the country that believe in the violent overthrow of our country's government, the installation of theocratic fascism, supporting terror and hatred of women, and that anyone who challenges such a philosophy is a nazi islamophobe race hater.

So hurry, join up now at Joe’s Academe d’Over-egged and Ham... and soon, like the counsellor, you’ll be up to your arse in it.

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It means letting as many people into the country that believe in the violent overthrow of our country's government, the installation of theocratic fascism, supporting terror and hatred of women, and that anyone who challenges such a philosophy is a nazi islamophobe race hater.

You would have loved the news about the RNS chapel being stripped off its crosses and Christian memorabilia a couple of weeks ago Calanen.  But it wasn't the minority groups who protested about the Chapel's obvious Christian displays - it was some nursing bureaucrat in the health system.

Although I agree with Mozzaok that multiculturalism should mean giving people a fair go - the bigger picture is becoming obvious.  It often does appear necessary for us to display a "cultural cringe".  Not with all races and religions of course, but there are some minority groups here who believe we are an inferior species.  They are more dominant and aggressive than us as we have seen recently seen.

Very few people who don't believe deep down that their formative culture is superior to all others.

Who are these British fascists you speak of? [/quote]

John Howard followers who now even don't hesitate to accuse PM Kevin Rudd of being Chinese spy, when the rest of the world price him as exceptional brain, diplomat and leader.

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John Howard followers who now even don't hesitate to accuse PM Kevin Rudd of being Chinese spy, when the rest of the world price him as exceptional brain, diplomat and leader.

Please spare us. The rest of the world wouldn't know who he was. To the USA he is the guy on Jay Leno that ate his own ear wax.

And if in the USA the Secretary of Defence had an apartment in DC paid for by some croney of the Chinese government, he would be impeached and strung up by the balls. Here it's just 'look the other way, nothing to see here' The people within defence leaked it, because it was a national security issue. The Defence Minister getting paid trips by some 'associate' of the big whigs in China, and getting to live in an apartment provided by this woman - that is outrageous.

Calanen wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 5:40pm:

Quote: John Howard followers who now even don't hesitate to accuse PM Kevin Rudd of being Chinese spy, when the rest of the world price him as exceptional brain, diplomat and leader. Please spare us. The rest of the world wouldn't know who he was. To the USA he is the guy on Jay Leno that ate his own ear wax. And if in the USA the Secretary of Defence had an apartment in DC paid for by some croney of the Chinese government, he would be impeached and strung up by the balls. Here it's just 'look the other way, nothing to see here' The people within defence leaked it, because it was a national security issue. The Defence Minister getting paid trips by some 'associate' of the big whigs in China, and getting to live in an apartment provided by this woman - that is outrageous.

So are you saying that Kevin Rudd is Chinese spy?
What about John Howard, was he British or American spy?

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So are you saying that Kevin Rudd is Chinese spy?

No. I'll say, what I say.

The Defence Minister was a rank noob to let himself be so easily manipulated by China by accepting free trips there and a free apartment to use in Canberra. That is called a 'Conflict of Interest'. That's the sort of stuff a school kid wouldn't fall for, and yet we have OUR DEFENCE MINISTER falling for it, which is why Defence got so angry. That is amateur hour par exemplar.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 6:23am:

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 12th, 2009 at 2:03am: The culture that defines Australia and separates us from other nations is the culture that developed and shaped this nation prior to the 1980s. That'd include the migration of Italians, Greeks and other displaced people after the war then. Don't let the old codgers hear you say that. The ones left who think the 'deigos and wogs' destroyed their Shangri-La. No doubt about it, we're products of our times.

Gee, didn't see that coming.  ::)

Actually, I don't think Meditteranean people dispaced after the war contributed that much to our cultural identity, Helian. Other than falsely convincing Australians that they are lazy people, of course.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 12:54pm:

Very few people who don't believe deep down that their formative culture is superior to all others.

I had trouble decoding what you wrote, Helian.

So please tell me if I'm correct or not.

...were you trying to say that every person thinks that their former culture is superior?

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wrote on Apr 12th, 2009 at 5:09pm: Who are these British fascists you speak of? John Howard followers who now even don't hesitate to accuse PM Kevin Rudd of being Chinese spy, when the rest of the world price him as exceptional brain, diplomat and leader.

Well, I for one dislike Howard and his administration greatly, Athos. Does that rule me out?

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 7:33pm:

Gee, didn't see that coming.  ::) Actually, I don't think Meditteranean people dispaced after the war contributed that much to our cultural identity, Helian. Other than falsely convincing Australians that they are lazy people, of course.

Didn't see it coming? Of course you didn’t. For you the Australia in 1980 was the story so far, the world into which you were thrown, and is now your golden age… Like the 60’s is to Gen X or post war to baby boomers.

Don’t know if they convinced us we were lazy, as much as simply by example they changed the Australian definition of ‘hard worker’. Australia is now one of the hardest working nations in the Western world. A stark contrast to its former more than slightly disparaging epithet, ‘The land of the long weekend’. Maybe the examples set by Mediterranean peoples rubbed off.

Australia was changed almost beyond recognition by immigrant Mediterranean peoples.

athos wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 6:50pm:

Calanen wrote on Apr 12th, 2009 at 5:40pm: Quote: John Howard followers who now even don't hesitate to accuse PM Kevin Rudd of being Chinese spy, when the rest of the world price him as exceptional brain, diplomat and leader. Please spare us. The rest of the world wouldn't know who he was. To the USA he is the guy on Jay Leno that ate his own ear wax. And if in the USA the Secretary of Defence had an apartment in DC paid for by some croney of the Chinese government, he would be impeached and strung up by the balls. Here it's just 'look the other way, nothing to see here' The people within defence leaked it, because it was a national security issue. The Defence Minister getting paid trips by some 'associate' of the big whigs in China, and getting to live in an apartment provided by this woman - that is outrageous. So are you saying that Kevin Rudd is Chinese spy? What about John Howard, was he British or American spy?

Rudd worked for DFAT. Do you know any agencies which are under DFAT? He speaks fluent Mandarin. He wants closer ties with China. He is trying to put through Chinese style censorship. He has ministers in trouble regarding Chinese links.

Rudd is a traitor.

As is Howard.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 7:38pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 12th, 2009 at 12:54pm: Very few people who don't believe deep down that their formative culture is superior to all others. I had trouble decoding what you wrote, Helian. So please tell me if I'm correct or not. ...were you trying to say that every person thinks that their former culture is superior?

[There are] very few people who don't believe that their formative culture is superior to all others... i.e. Most people would tend to feel that the culture, which made them who they are, is superior to all others. It's a natural emotional response to otherness.

Then why are so many people keen on investigating foreign cultures and and religions and adopting them, especially in this country?

There is a large interest in eastern religions and philosophy as well as new age thought prevalent in Australian society.

easel wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 8:03pm:

athos wrote on Apr 12th, 2009 at 6:50pm: Calanen wrote on Apr 12th, 2009 at 5:40pm: Quote: John Howard followers who now even don't hesitate to accuse PM Kevin Rudd of being Chinese spy, when the rest of the world price him as exceptional brain, diplomat and leader. Please spare us. The rest of the world wouldn't know who he was. To the USA he is the guy on Jay Leno that ate his own ear wax. And if in the USA the Secretary of Defence had an apartment in DC paid for by some croney of the Chinese government, he would be impeached and strung up by the balls. Here it's just 'look the other way, nothing to see here' The people within defence leaked it, because it was a national security issue. The Defence Minister getting paid trips by some 'associate' of the big whigs in China, and getting to live in an apartment provided by this woman - that is outrageous. So are you saying that Kevin Rudd is Chinese spy? What about John Howard, was he British or American spy? Rudd worked for DFAT. Do you know any agencies which are under DFAT? He speaks fluent Mandarin. He wants closer ties with China. He is trying to put through Chinese style censorship. He has ministers in trouble regarding Chinese links. Rudd is a traitor. As is Howard.

Have you ever thought that as a real (qualified ) diplomat, he recognises the fact, as the rest of pragmatic world does, that China is becoming the centre of the gravity of the economical world. In other words closer relation with China maybe means saving your arse when your fragile mammy Brittan is on the brink of collapse.
You should be proud of the fact that you have a knowledgeable and intelligent Prime Minister who can speak fluent Mandarin unlike any other western leader. Should it be considered as a sin or as an advantage?

athos wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 5:09pm:

Who are these British fascists you speak of?

John Howard followers who now even don't hesitate to accuse PM Kevin Rudd of being Chinese spy, when the rest of the world price him as exceptional brain, diplomat and leader.
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Mussolini was a silly Italian wog and former socialist not a British.

Why waste resources on mc when you people don't want to remember history of your own culture?

easel wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 8:34pm:

Then why are so many people keen on investigating foreign cultures and and religions and adopting them, especially in this country? There is a large interest in eastern religions and philosophy as well as new age thought prevalent in Australian society.

(investigating foreign cultures and and religions) and adopting them within the context of being Australian (or who they are). They can do no other.

(a large interest in eastern religions and philosophy) True. But as eastern practioners of Buddhism will tell you, the Buddhism practised here and elsewhere in the west is markedly different to the original. i.e. the 'foreign' religion or philosophy is adapted to Australian sensibilities.

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Have you ever thought that as a real (qualified ) diplomat, he recognises the fact, as the rest of pragmatic world does, that China is becoming the centre of the gravity of the economical world. In other words closer relation with China maybe means saving your arse when your fragile mammy Brittan is on the brink of collapse. You should be proud of the fact that you have a knowledgeable and intelligent Prime Minister who can speak fluent Mandarin unlike any other western leader. Should it be considered as a sin or as an advantage?

I don't like Britain.

You know China has vast stockpiles of global currency and is relatively resource weak? They are already panicking due to the US dollar shift.

Rudd and the ALP are infiltrated by Chinese spies.


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i.e. the 'foreign' religion or philosophy is adapted to Australian sensibilities.

What like Feng Shui?

easel wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 9:09pm:

What like Feng Shui?

I'd have no doubt if it was practised by non-Chinese peoples (particularly if it became widely popular), it would diverge from the original. Local superstitions would be incorporated into the rituals and perceived inanities which have special meaning only to the Chinese would be excised.

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Didn't see it coming? Of course you didn’t. For you the Australia in 1980 was the story so far, the world into which you were thrown, and is now your golden age… Like the 60’s is to Gen X or post war to baby boomers.

Now, now Helian. I never said that the world I was born into (1980s) was Australia's golden age. Your words... not mine. In fact, I believe this period was our reckoning.

I don't actually think Australia had a 'golden age.' I think our entire existence prior to Gough Whitlam and Malcolm Frasier was our golden age.



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Don’t know if they convinced us we were lazy, as much as simply by example they changed the Australian definition of ‘hard worker’. Australia is now one of the hardest working nations in the Western world. A stark contrast to its former more than slightly disparaging epithet, ‘The land of the long weekend’. Maybe the examples set by Mediterranean peoples rubbed off.

Well, that's funny, the entire world over perceives us as being lazy. We even  perceive ourselves as lazy.  

Although, I do agree that Australia is one of the hardest working, despite popular opinion. But I hardly think this is due to the introduction of southern European people. I think our work ethic has remained largely the same. Once the first generation of southern European workers died off, things went back to normal.



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Australia was changed almost beyond recognition by immigrant Mediterranean peoples.

For example?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 8:10pm:

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 12th, 2009 at 7:38pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 12th, 2009 at 12:54pm: Very few people who don't believe deep down that their formative culture is superior to all others. I had trouble decoding what you wrote, Helian. So please tell me if I'm correct or not. ...were you trying to say that every person thinks that their former culture is superior? [There are] very few people who don't believe that their formative culture is superior to all others... i.e. Most people would tend to feel that the culture, which made them who they are, is superior to all others. It's a natural emotional response to otherness.

Well, that's all fine and dandy, Helian. But doesn't this viewpoint indicate that multiculturalism is a foregone conclusion? That it will fail miserably?

easel wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 8:34pm:

Then why are so many people keen on investigating foreign cultures and and religions and adopting them, especially in this country? There is a large interest in eastern religions and philosophy as well as new age thought prevalent in Australian society.

Because as much as I hate to admit it, the multiculturalism supporters in this country are converting quite a few people through their propaganda. People are being convinced on a daily basis that their inherited culture is wrong and that adopting other cultures is right.

Thankfully though, Australians do indeed maintain a lot of their old cultural habits despite adopting a new practice such as buddhism. For example, it's still seen as normal to go barefoot through a supermarket on a hot day... oooo yeah... love that Australian trait.  8-) I missed it so much overseas.

A lot of supermarket areas have banned going barefoot.

easel wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 9:57pm:

A lot of supermarket areas have banned going barefoot.

Seriously? Which ones?

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 9:45pm:

[quote author=helian link=1239229259/15#27 date=1239531026][quote author=DonaldTrump link=1239229259/15#23 date=1239529087]Well, that's all fine and dandy, Helian. But doesn't this viewpoint indicate that multiculturalism is a foregone conclusion? That it will fail miserably?

Only if you can't perceive MC as transitional for any given immigrant group.

Only if you view people as automatons incapable of rising above animal instincts to find things that are good in Australian culture... And only if you imagine that the children of migrants remain trapped in the world of their parents and can not and will not, despite their local accent, their own experiences and through interaction with assimilated Australians, identify themselves as Australians.

No culture or religion is immutable and monolithic. When transplanted into another culture, host cultural forces change the nature of the migrating ones... And of course, the cultural force is reciprocated, migrant on host.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 9:42pm:

Quote: Didn't see it coming? Of course you didn’t. For you the Australia in 1980 was the story so far, the world into which you were thrown, and is now your golden age… Like the 60’s is to Gen X or post war to baby boomers. Now, now Helian. I never said that the world I was born into (1980s) was Australia's golden age. Your words... not mine. In fact, I believe this period was our reckoning.

I meant golden in the context of your memory of the times. Things were as they were when you were born and now they are (as with most people regarding their youth), most probably condensing into a ‘golden’ memory which as the years go by will become more deeply golden. Also, being in your mid twenties, you’ll most likely remember these years as good ones too.


ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 9:42pm:

Well, that's funny, the entire world over perceives us as being lazy. We even  perceive ourselves as lazy.

Yes, negative stereotypes about other cultures appear to have a longer shelf life than positive ones, although the stereotype didn’t appear in a complete vacuum of truth.

But Australians were far more inclined towards working a lot less 30 – 40 plus years ago than today and things have not gone back to those days.

How have Mediterranean peoples changed Australian culture? Café culture. Work ethic. The wine industry.

Most significant is the changing of Australian culinary tastes that have been revolutionised by Mediterranean (and Asian) migrants.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 9:50pm:

Because as much as I hate to admit it, the multiculturalism supporters in this country are converting quite a few people through their propaganda. People are being convinced on a daily basis that their inherited culture is wrong and that adopting other cultures is right. Thankfully though, Australians do indeed maintain a lot of their old cultural habits despite adopting a new practice such as buddhism. For example, it's still seen as normal to go barefoot through a supermarket on a hot day... oooo yeah... love that Australian trait.  8-) I missed it so much overseas.

Would you currently be in Japan?

Going barefoot through a supermarket is a cultural trait? I thought it was a result of depression era poverty when shoes were only worn where necessary to extend their life. Were you wearing your best sh!t stained clothes that mum made you from sacks and a piece of rope for a belt?...

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 12^th, 2009 at 11:57pm:

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 12th, 2009 at 9:45pm: [quote author=helian link=1239229259/15#27 date=1239531026][quote author=DonaldTrump link=1239229259/15#23 date=1239529087]Well, that's all fine and dandy, Helian. But doesn't this viewpoint indicate that multiculturalism is a foregone conclusion? That it will fail miserably? Only if you can't perceive MC as transitional for any given immigrant group. Only if you view people as automatons incapable of rising above animal instincts to find things that are good in Australian culture... And only if you imagine that the children of migrants remain trapped in the world of their parents and can not and will not, despite their local accent, their own experiences and through interaction with assimilated Australians, identify themselves as Australians. No culture or religion is immutable and monolithic. When transplanted into another culture, host cultural forces change the nature of the migrating ones... And of course, the cultural force is reciprocated, migrant on host.

I think the problem is that multiculturalism supporters and anti-racists like yourself are way, way, WAY too optimistic about human nature.

On the other hand opponents to it like myself are rather pessimistic of human nature and realise humans aren't perfect and are usually self-serving.

That's the main difference in our core way of thinking, Helian. Opinions of human nature.

Not all immigrant groups will see it your way Helian, and I believe multiculturalism supporters are completely nieve in thinking that every group WILL convert to the Australian way of life. It is possible for every person, of course, but does that necessarily mean they will do so willingly after a few generations? Plenty of examples show otherwise. You only need to look as far as the Balkans to see how badly this can end.

I liken multiculturalism supporters to dodo's. They're forever optimistic and approach humans with no fears of them being harmful. Dodo's of course were the cause of their own extinction.

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I meant golden in the context of your memory of the times. Things were as they were when you were born and now they are (as with most people regarding their youth), most probably condensing into a ‘golden’ memory which as the years go by will become more deeply golden. Also, being in your mid twenties, you’ll most likely remember these years as good ones too.

I know what you mean, Helian. I doubt I'll be like that in the future, given how aware I am of this phenomenon.

When looking at Australia's history objectively, you would have to say Australia's best years were during the WAP.



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But Australians were far more inclined towards working a lot less 30 – 40 plus years ago than today and things have not gone back to those days.

How did you come to this conclusion, Helian?



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How have Mediterranean peoples changed Australian culture? Café culture. Work ethic. The wine industry. Most significant is the changing of Australian culinary tastes that have been revolutionised by Mediterranean (and Asian) migrants.

'Work ethic' is debatable, Helian. I simply don't think that is true.

What you're basically saying, is that Italian and Greek immigrants have changed Australia's 'food and beverage industry.' Hardly changing Australia 'beyond recognition' IMO. Do you have other examples besides this?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 13^th, 2009 at 11:05am:

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 12th, 2009 at 9:50pm: Because as much as I hate to admit it, the multiculturalism supporters in this country are converting quite a few people through their propaganda. People are being convinced on a daily basis that their inherited culture is wrong and that adopting other cultures is right. Thankfully though, Australians do indeed maintain a lot of their old cultural habits despite adopting a new practice such as buddhism. For example, it's still seen as normal to go barefoot through a supermarket on a hot day... oooo yeah... love that Australian trait.  8-) I missed it so much overseas. Would you currently be in Japan? Going barefoot through a supermarket is a cultural trait? I thought it was a result of depression era poverty when shoes were only worn where necessary to extend their life. Were you wearing your best sh!t stained clothes that mum made you from sacks and a piece of rope for a belt?...

Well, if it's a human activity acquired in social life... then yeah... I guess it is a cultural trait. Type 'cultural trait' into google and look it up.

My mum put my sacks and ropes in the wash. It should be ready by this afternoon.

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Dodo's of course were a making of their own extinction.

God love you DT, thanks for the laugh, I needed it after the sickos posts.

I will try to pick on you less, if you try and find one good thing about non-aussies each day.

One a day should not be too hard.

mozzaok wrote on Apr 13^th, 2009 at 2:51pm:

Quote: Dodo's of course were a making of their own extinction. God love you DT, thanks for the laugh, I needed it after the sickos posts. I will try to pick on you less, if you try and find one good thing about non-aussies each day. One a day should not be too hard.

Ah... right.

Anyway Mozzaok, who's the 'sicko' you speak of?

It was a new member??? flower.
I have no way of knowing, but I think it is more likely a current member using a new name to post more gross stuff.
They were gross photos of a young naked girl being murdered and dissected.
Pretty graphic stuff.

mozzaok wrote on Apr 13^th, 2009 at 3:03pm:

It was a new member??? flower. I have no way of knowing, but I think it is more likely a current member using a new name to post more gross stuff. They were gross photos of a young naked girl being murdered and dissected. Pretty graphic stuff.

Ah yeah... I see it.

The bottom pic is definitely photo-shopped. I'm not sure about the others though. If they're photo-shopped they look pretty well-done. Maybe the top ones are taken from a porn movie or something.

Well here it is, a culture that is not ours.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 13^th, 2009 at 2:29pm:

I think the problem is that multiculturalism supporters and anti-racists like yourself are way, way, WAY too optimistic about human nature. On the other hand opponents to it like myself are rather pessimistic of human nature and realise humans aren't perfect and are usually self-serving. That's the main difference in our core way of thinking, Helian. Opinions of human nature. Not all immigrant groups will see it your way Helian, and I believe multiculturalism supporters are completely nieve in thinking that every group WILL convert to the Australian way of life. It is possible for every person, of course, but does that necessarily mean they will do so willingly after a few generations? Plenty of examples show otherwise. You only need to look as far as the Balkans to see how badly this can end. I liken multiculturalism supporters to dodo's. They're forever optimistic and approach humans with no fears of them being harmful. Dodo's of course were the cause of their own extinction.

“The situation is hopeless…”

Twenty something and pessimistic… Remember to save some for your old age.

The pessimist need not learn to be optimistic… but he must learn to be brave.

Not all will make it across that river, that’s true… life is difficult and some are destined fail in all things… but I believe most will make it to the other side. The great divide is made of things like accent, personal experience from birth, a sense for the first generation born here of not being so foreign and a deep instinctive need for identification with peers over approval from parents. These too are part of human nature.

Australia has a young culture and like all young things has a great capacity to adapt in a way that ancient cultures have not. European peoples make a point of preserving even ancient enmities among each other. Africans, Indians and Asians at home no doubt do the same.

“The situation is hopeless, we must take the next step”.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 13^th, 2009 at 4:25pm:

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 13th, 2009 at 2:29pm: I think the problem is that multiculturalism supporters and anti-racists like yourself are way, way, WAY too optimistic about human nature. On the other hand opponents to it like myself are rather pessimistic of human nature and realise humans aren't perfect and are usually self-serving. That's the main difference in our core way of thinking, Helian. Opinions of human nature. Not all immigrant groups will see it your way Helian, and I believe multiculturalism supporters are completely nieve in thinking that every group WILL convert to the Australian way of life. It is possible for every person, of course, but does that necessarily mean they will do so willingly after a few generations? Plenty of examples show otherwise. You only need to look as far as the Balkans to see how badly this can end. I liken multiculturalism supporters to dodo's. They're forever optimistic and approach humans with no fears of them being harmful. Dodo's of course were the cause of their own extinction. “The situation is hopeless…” Twenty something and pessimistic… Remember to save some for your old age. Not all will make it across that river, that’s true… life is difficult and some are destined fail in all things… but I believe most will make it to the other side. The great divide is made of things like accent, personal experience from birth, a sense for the first generation born here of not being so foreign and a deep instinctive need for identification with peers over approval from parents. These too are part of human nature. Australia has a young culture and like all young things has a great capacity to adapt in a way that ancient cultures have not. European peoples make a point of preserving even ancient enmities among each other. Africans, Indians and Asians at home no doubt do the same. “The situation is hopeless, we must take the next step”.

Just because I'm pessimistic about human nature doesn't mean I'm altogether pessimistic about other things.

For example, I don't buy into all this, 'multiculturalism is inevitable' crap that multiculturalism supporters/anti-racists like to throw around. I'm quite optimistic that Australians have the potential to turn it around.



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The pessimist need not learn to be optimistic… but he must learn to be brave.

I think it takes more courage to oppose multiculturalism these days, Helian. It's one thing to be brave for being optimistic, it's a totally different thing when having the guts to point out that those in authority are wrong.  

Look at what happens to people like James Watson and Pauline Hanson. They have their lives delibrately ruined by the unruly multiculturalism/anti-racist mobs.

ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Apr 13^th, 2009 at 5:09pm:

Just because I'm pessimistic about human nature doesn't mean I'm altogether pessimistic about other things. For example, I don't buy into all this, 'multiculturalism is inevitable' crap that multiculturalism supporters/anti-racists like to throw around. I'm quite optimistic that Australians have the potential to turn it around. Quote: The pessimist need not learn to be optimistic… but he must learn to be brave. I think it takes more courage to oppose multiculturalism these days, Helian. It's one thing to be brave for being optimistic, it's a totally different thing when having the guts to point out that those in authority are wrong.   Look at what happens to people like James Watson and Pauline Hanson. They have their lives delibrately ruined by the unruly multiculturalism/anti-racist mobs.

If not human nature, what else is more needy of optimism?

They won’t turn it around in that they won’t turn it back… And we’ll bang on about the latest immigration wave for a while and some will beat their breast in lamentations while others will morph into the white knights of the new tribe. Then one day we’ll wake up and realise that we don’t really fear the cultural ethos of X migrants’ anymore… our cultural panic will subside and we’ll all move onto the next lot, just as we have with the Irish, the Italians, the Greeks, the eastern Europeans and the Asians. We have a first class ability to absorb peoples and culture into our world.

That’s how we do it down here… That’s our Australian way.

But oppose it if you must. After all who else to keep multiculturalists from extremes than a reasoning dissenter?

It takes the most courage to have faith in what we fear the most.