Good to see the most of the west is not accepting arabs antijew mindset.





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AUSTRALIA has cancelled plans to attend an anti-racism conference in Geneva over concerns the UN-backed forum will degenerate into a launchpad for anti-Semitic attacks. The decision to boycott the Durban Review Conference was taken after Australia, in conjunction with the US, Israel and other countries, was unsuccessful in pushing for changes to the wording of a draft document upholding anti-Semitic remarks in the 2001 Durban Declaration. Foreign Minister Stephen Smith yesterday said that while Australia remained strongly committed to fighting racism, the federal Government could not support the document reaffirming the original declaration. Canada, the US, Israel and Italy have for similar reasons already pulled out of Durban II, which begins today. The Netherlands broke ranks with the European Union last night to join the boycott. Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen said The Netherlands would not attend because it feared the event would be abused ``for political ends and attacks on the West''. Germany is also considering a boycott, after intense lobbying by Mr Smith and Mr Verhagen. Pro-Palestinian Labor backbencher Julia Irwin broke ranks to slam the boycott. Canberra's 11th hour decision follows a US State Department announcement on the weekend that changes in the meeting's final document did not address concerns of anti-Israel and anti-Western bias. The 2001 Durban conference ended acrimoniously, with Israel and the US storming out in protest over Arab attempts to adopt a resolution equating Zionism with racism. Mr Smith said he feared the Geneva conference was heading the same way. "The 2001 declaration singled out Israel and the Middle East," he said. "Australia expressed strong views about this at the time. The Australian Government continues to have these concerns. "Regrettably, we cannot be confident that the review conference will not be used as a platform to air offensive views, including anti-Semitic views. Of additional concern are the suggestions of some delegations in the Durban process to limit the universal right to free speech." Mr Smith's argument was strongly rejected by Ms Irwin. "It's a shame Australia will be one of a handful of nations boycotting the Durban conference," Ms Irwin said. "Any nation which has policies which discriminate on the grounds of race or religion should not be above criticism and should not be supported by the Australian Government." Australia's Jewish community warmly welcomed yesterday's decision. Executive Council of Australian Jewry president Robert Goot said the Durban II conference would not advance the fight to combat racism but would again single out Israel for condemnation. Australia-Israel and Jewish Affairs Council executive director Colin Rubenstein said Durban II's draft declaration was always going to be problematic. "With Libya chairing the preparatory committee assisted by Cuba as rapporteur and Iran as one of several vice-chairs, the proposed outcome document has mixed the fight against racism with a variety of morally deplorable political agendas," Dr Rubenstein said. Palestinian groups expressed anger and disappointment at the decision, which they said showed Australia was not serious about ending racism. Australians for Palestine founding member Moammar Mashni said the Rudd Government had bowed to pressure from pro-Israel lobbies. While Britain says it will be attending, the participation of countries such as Iran and Cuba, which have reputations as serial human rights violators, is likely to ensure the summit turns into an anti-Israel and anti-US slanging match.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25356427-601,00.html

http://www.juliairwin.org/julianew.png
Julia Irwin - Member for Fowler

from sprints post....

"Pro-Palestinian Labor backbencher Julia Irwin broke ranks to slam the boycott.
......."It's a shame Australia will be one of a handful of nations boycotting the Durban conference," Ms Irwin said.
"Any nation which has policies which discriminate on the grounds of race or religion should not be above criticism and should not be supported by the Australian Government."


I totally agree with that last expressed sentiment.

Irwin is right, the jews are the biggest racists on earth besides the fundy christian,the yanks dont have the balls to turn up either, I suppose the facts the jews own the USA might have something to do with it.

Relating directly to the same "Durban Review Conference" which Australia, and some other countries have decided to boycott....


April 18, 2009
NYC demonstration against the United Nations' failure to address worldwide human rights abuses
......(April 17--New York.) -- Concerned citizens, organizations and community leaders will rally at noon on Monday April 20 at Dag Hammarskjold Plaza to challenge the UN's failure to address gross human rights abuses around the world. Congressman Scott Garrett (R-NJ) who has spoken out against Durban II will speak.
The demonstration is timed to coincide with the first day of the UN Human Rights Council's [HRC] controversial Durban II conference in Geneva, Switzerland. Similar demonstrations will be held in Geneva to protest against the HRC and the Durban II agenda.
......Explains Roz Rothstein, SWU international director who will travel to Geneva to be a witness, "It is time for the public to demand that the United Nations actually promote human rights. The HRC's Durban conference is a glaring symptom of the UN's failures. The first Durban conference in South Africa in 2001 was supposed to address racism and racial discrimination. Instead, it was a racist hate fest against Israel and Jews.
......"The HRC has obsessively focused on condemning Israel, the one democracy in the Middle East, instead of dealing with the suffering in Darfur, Liberia, and the Congo, or with the systematic oppression of women, gays, religious and ethnic minorities, and children in reactionary regimes across the globe," states Avi Posnick, StandWithUs East Coast outreach coordinator.
Critics point out that the 47-member HRC is dominated by non-free nations. They are among the worst violators of the human rights they are supposed to uphold; they include Angola, China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Cuba. They block HRC investigations of their abuses and instead vote to praise each other. They ignore serial human rights violations and incitement to genocide by Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, and Syria. Iran, which has called for the destruction of Israel, is one of the vice-chairs for planning Durban II.
http://standwithus.org/app/iNews/view_n.asp?ID=998
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025724.php





"....[some member nations of the 47-member HRC] are among the worst violators of the human rights they are supposed to uphold; they include Angola, China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Cuba. They block HRC investigations of their abuses and instead vote to praise each other."

But who cares???? the world community????

We are culpable.

You and me.

We [Australia] are a full member of the United Nations,
....AND WE FUND ITS ABUSES.

WE ARE CULPABLE.

Dictionary,
culpable = = deserving blame.






Stated in the article....

"StandWithUs, [is] an international, non-profit Israel education organization, hosts speakers and conferences, offers website resources and creates brochures and materials about Israel that are distributed globally."



We should be informed, but not accepting of lies.

Being 'informed' on the basis of believing lies, is the same as us building a house upon sand.

So long as we can test the truth of, and criticise any of its claims, i have no fear of, or objection, to listening to what this 'StandWithUs' pro Israel lobby group may publish.

And that should be the test of any information which comes to our attention, on any issue which may affect our lives.

i.e.
Its TRUTH.

wrote on Apr 20^th, 2009 at 9:50am:

Irwin is right, the jews are the biggest racists on earth besides the fundy christian,the yanks dont have the balls to turn up either, I suppose the facts the jews own the USA might have something to do with it.

skippy,

You are entitled to expressed your opinion, and views.

But shouldn't you test the basis of your beliefs, opinions, to see if they are based in TRUTH?

What value is our opinion, if it is based on lies, and untruths?

Yadda wrote on Apr 20^th, 2009 at 10:10am:

wrote on Apr 20th, 2009 at 9:50am: Irwin is right, the jews are the biggest racists on earth besides the fundy christian,the yanks dont have the balls to turn up either, I suppose the facts the jews own the USA might have something to do with it. skippy, You are entitled to expressed your opinion, and views. But shouldn't you test the basis of your beliefs, opinions, to see if they are based in TRUTH? What value is our opinion, if it is based on lies, and untruths?

Truth to you seems to be different to truth for me, but I accept people for who they are NOT what religion they practice, I think all religion is fairy tale,whilst I ve met many nice muslims, christians and jews, as organised religion they are all evil, and the fundy christians are the worst by far, why didn't you highlite that part of my post? you trying to make out I 'm anti semetic? welll I am anti religion, anybody who puts their religion before fellow humans is a retard.

wrote on Apr 20^th, 2009 at 10:22am:

......anybody who puts their religion before fellow humans is a retard.

skippy,

That is your opinion.

And you are entitled to express it.





Anybody who bases their prejudices upon lies, and puts lies before TRUTH, is supporting evil [and its consequences] in this world.

That is my opinion.




Want good 'outcomes' in this world?

Always seek, and support, free and open TRUTH.

skippy -  
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welll I am anti religion, anybody who puts their religion before fellow humans is a retard.

So you would be ok with ....."love one another as you love yourself" ??

wrote on Apr 20^th, 2009 at 9:50am:

Irwin is right, the jews are the biggest racists on earth besides the fundy christian,the yanks dont have the balls to turn up either, I suppose the facts the jews own the USA might have something to do with it.

They also own Canada.  Every religion can be denigrated except for Judaism and if you condemn the actions of some Jews you are considered despicable.  I was listening to some broadcaster gossip about Mel Gibson and he was talking about how clever Gibson was, but how he did the unforgiveable by denigrating the Jews.  In the next breath the same persecutor went on to condemn Gibson's "breakaway Catholic religion" and make inferences it was an eccentricity of his.

Bag anyone - but don't bag the Jews.


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Foreign Minister Stephen Smith yesterday said that while Australia remained strongly committed to fighting racism, the federal Government could not support the document reaffirming the original declaration. Canada, the US, Israel and Italy have for similar reasons already pulled out of Durban II, which begins today.

Julia Irwin is right.  How hypocritical is this government?  Rudd is just a little puppet and his true character is surfacing with this decision - although Howard would have done the same. Don't upset the big boys regardless of whether you agree with their decisions or not.i

Than there is the fact they wanted to put a motion that religion couldn't be criticised==no free speech. Rudd is no puppet.

Looks like the dhimmis of the world have had enough of intolerance from muslims.




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UNITED Nations chief Ban Ki-moon has criticised Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad over a speech attacking Israel's "totally racist government" at a UN anti-racism meeting. Mr Ban said Mr Ahmadinejad had ignored his plea beforehand not to make such comments. "I deplore the use of this platform by the Iranian President to accuse, divide and even incite. This is the opposite of what this conference seeks to achieve," he said. Mr Ban met Mr Ahmadinejad before the Iranian president was due to speak, to remind him that the UN General Assembly had "adopted the resolutions to revoke the equation of Zionism with racism and to reaffirm the historical facts of the Holocaust", he said. "It is deeply regrettable that my plea to look to the future of unity was not heeded by the Iranian President." When addressing a UN conference against racism, Mr Ahmadinejad criticised the creation of a "totally racist government in occupied Palestine" in 1948, calling it "the most cruel and racist regime". His remarks prompted 23 European Union delegations to walk out of the conference room in protest. UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay joined the condemnation saying she "utterly" deplored Mr Ahmadinejad's speech, describing him as "somebody who traditionally makes obnoxious statements". "I condemn the use of a UN forum for political grandstanding. I find this totally objectionable," she added, reiterating that it clearly defied the UN's position by equating Zionism with racism. "The best riposte for this type of event is to reply and correct, not to withdraw and boycott the conference," she added. Mr Ban described the event as a "very troubling experience for me as a Secretary General". "I have not experienced this kind of disruptive proceedings of the assembly conference by any one member state. It was a totally unacceptable situation," he said.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25363457-5003402,00.html

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 20^th, 2009 at 10:38am:

skippy -   Quote: welll I am anti religion, anybody who puts their religion before fellow humans is a retard. So you would be ok with ....."love one another as you love yourself" ??

Yes sprint I would, now it seems to me as an atheist that I have more compassion for my fellow human beings than any god botherer ive seem write here, I think if god or jesus or any greater being did exist that he(we;ll call him a he) would want all humans to accept each other as brothers and sisters and not bag them just because they were a different religion, but instead we have all this s hit about my religion is better than yours and we can bag muslims but not the jews.
All religions try to dictate that they are the only true religion, the christians are the worst offenders; having spent ten years in sunday school as a kid I can say that every week we were told the only true way to heaven is to accept jesus, no ifs no buts, I'm sure muslims say the same about allah and the jews dont accept jesus as being the son of god at all so they think the christians and the muslims are whacko.

another ranting intolerant obsessive violently inclined muslim speaks out.
Remind anyone of ALL the other muslims who have been here ??




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DELEGATES from Western countries last night walked out of the UN anti-racism summit in Geneva after Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad used his keynote speech to attack Israel as racist. Mr Ahmadinejad criticised the formation of a "racist government" in the Middle East, in a clear reference to Israel. "They sent migrants from Europe, the United States ... in order to establish a racist government in the occupied Palestine," he said on the opening day of the five-day conference known as Durban II. Three protesters from the French Union of Jewish Students dressed as clowns and shouting "racist, racist," were expelled from the conference as Mr Ahmadinejad began to speak. One of them threw a soft red object at the Iranian President, hitting the podium and interrupting his speech. Shortly afterwards a stream of Western diplomats, including from Britain and France, walked out. France condemned Mr Ahmadinejad's "hate speech" delivered on the same day as Holocaust Memorial Day, saying "no compromise was possible" with his UN racism stance. The Iranian President had ignored entreaties from UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon that a UN resolution states Zionism cannot be equated with racism. Mr Ahmadinejad - who has called the Holocaust a myth and for Israel to be wiped off the map - had before his arrival in Geneva launched a broadside against the Jewish state, saying "the Zionist ideology and regime are the flag-bearers of racism". The conference opened soon after Germany and New Zealand joined the US, Israel, Australia, Italy, Canada and The Netherlands in boycotting the follow-up to the original anti-racism conference in South Africa in 2001, during which the US and Israel walked out over what they said were anti-Semitic attacks directed at Israel. Mr Ban appeared to attempt to repair the damage to the summit by saying in his opening address that the world should condemn "anti-Semitism and Islamophobia" and by saying the world could not forget the Holocaust. The Durban Review Conference is intended to examine efforts to overcome racism in the eight years since the first gathering in South Africa. Frantic efforts have been made in recent weeks to change the wording of the draft mission statement for the summit so it was not an attack on Israel, and although Israel was not referred to in the final draft, the boycotting countries believed the conference could become an outlet for anti-Semitic attacks. Australia announced its boycott on Sunday, with Foreign Minister Stephen Smith saying: "Regrettably we cannot be confident the review conference will not again be used as a platform to air offensive views, including anti-Semitic views." Barack Obama said yesterday the US had boycotted the summit because Washington did not want to put "an imprimatur" on a conference it did not believe in. The US President said the South African conference had become "a session through which folks expressed antagonism towards Israel in ways that were oftentimes completely hypocritical and counter-productive". The conference has increased the tensions between Iran and Israel, which are already engaged in verbal hostilities over Iran's ambitions to develop a nuclear program. Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said the fact that Mr Ahmadinejad was a keynote speaker justified Israel's decision to boycott the conference. "The fact that a racist like Ahmadinejad is the main speaker proves the true aim and nature of the conference," he said yesterday. Mr Lieberman said Israelis could not ignore the fact that the conference began on the same day as Holocaust Memorial Day.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25363315-2703,00.html

wrote on Apr 21^st, 2009 at 11:10am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 20th, 2009 at 10:38am: skippy -   Quote: welll I am anti religion, anybody who puts their religion before fellow humans is a retard. So you would be ok with ....."love one another as you love yourself" ?? Yes sprint I would, now it seems to me as an atheist that I have more compassion for my fellow human beings than any god botherer ive seem write here, I think if god or jesus or any greater being did exist that he(we;ll call him a he) would want all humans to accept each other as brothers and sisters and not bag them just because they were a different religion, but instead we have all this s hit about my religion is better than yours and we can bag muslims but not the jews. All religions try to dictate that they are the only true religion, the christians are the worst offenders; having spent ten years in sunday school as a kid I can say that every week we were told the only true way to heaven is to accept jesus, no ifs no buts, I'm sure muslims say the same about allah and the jews dont accept jesus as being the son of god at all so they think the christians and the muslims are whacko.

It is really funny how atheists hate jews because of perceived wrong the jews did to Jesus.
That is another proof that atheism is just another intolerant religion who still holld number one record of mass murdering.

wrote on Apr 20^th, 2009 at 9:50am:

Irwin is right, the jews are the biggest racists on earth besides the fundy christian,the yanks dont have the balls to turn up either, I suppose the facts the jews own the USA might have something to do with it.

This conference is a joke. And who are the Jews 'racist' against? Arabs? They have Arabs in their army.  The Druze are Arabs that want nothing to do with the Islamic genocide of the Jews obsession, and serve in the Israeli army. Israel has a problem with Islam, not a race. And Islam is not a race.

And as for racist attacks, the Arabic press regularly has caricatures of money grubbing Jews in the style of the Third Reich in its press. Do you think for a nano-second the Israeli press would get away with having even *one* such caricature Arab cartoon?

mantra wrote on Apr 20^th, 2009 at 11:32am:

wrote on Apr 20th, 2009 at 9:50am: Irwin is right, the jews are the biggest racists on earth besides the fundy christian,the yanks dont have the balls to turn up either, I suppose the facts the jews own the USA might have something to do with it. Quote: They also own Canada.  Every religion can be denigrated except for Judaism and if you condemn the actions of some Jews you are considered despicable.   The Jews own Canada? What a lot of paranoid nonsense. [quote]I was listening to some broadcaster gossip about Mel Gibson and he was talking about how clever Gibson was, but how he did the unforgiveable by denigrating the Jews.

What Gibson said, while he has the right to say it, was idiotic. The Jews cause all wars? And he was rightly criticised. But it was not because it was Jews that he was criticised, he would have been criticised if he said blacks, or hispanics, or any race.

In the next breath the same persecutor went on to condemn Gibson's "breakaway Catholic religion" and make inferences it was an eccentricity of his.


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Bag anyone - but don't bag the Jews.

I have almost never seen a critique of judaism the religion, anywhere. What I have seen, a lot of, is that there allegations of some intrinsic racial deviancy in Jews.

Anyone can criticse Judaism, and say, no Jesus is the Messiah or whatever. It is offensive and defies commonsense to say that Jews are somehow racially impure and evil, as the Third Reich took to an art form.

In a different setting althogether, Islam is NOT a race, and it cannot be critcised.  So it seems what you would like is no criticism of Islam the ideology, but also wanting to talk about the racially inferior ebil Jew and somehow try to make invalid comparisons between the two.


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Foreign Minister Stephen Smith yesterday said that while Australia remained strongly committed to fighting racism, the federal Government could not support the document reaffirming the original declaration. Canada, the US, Israel and Italy have for similar reasons already pulled out of Durban II, which begins today.

And so they should. In Israel, you can be openly gay. In pretty much all Islamic countries, to be openly gay, means you are openly dead.

In Israel, you can practice any religion you like. In almost all Muslim countries, you are persecuted for practising any religion other than Islam, and have courts with the force of law to inflict that upon you.

In Israel, you have democracy and proper courts with the rule of law. Under most Islamic countries you have petty dictators that ensure the whole judicial system is rigged and a farce.

And yet these countries, these Islamic countries, are saying that Israel violates human rights, when they provide no tolerance of any form of dissent or human right in their own lands?


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Julia Irwin is right.  How hypocritical is this government?  Rudd is just a little puppet and his true character is surfacing with this decision - although Howard would have done the same. Don't upset the big boys regardless of whether you agree with their decisions or not.

Rudd made the absolute right decision. Do you think your Saint Obama told him to do that? Remember the Ebil Satan Bush is gone, so you can't really believe that Holy Obama would direct us not to attend? I doubt he would care whether we did attend or not, let alone compel us too leave.

Julie Irwin is an idiot who doesn't know anything about Islam. And all Durban II is about, is the 'Let's bash Israel' conference led by the Islamic countries, invoking Islam's paranoid hatred of all things Jewish. I am glad that we do not want to be part of that. And instead of looking at some real human rights violations, like say, the 100s of 1000s of people slaughtered by Islamic rulers in the Sudan, we get the 'I HATE ISRAEL' fest.

It is a complete and utter joke, and I am glad that my government took a bold step and left this charade of a human rights conference. It is just a Nuremburg Rally masquerading as a charity ball.

I am seeing a lot of wild assertions here, and that is fine, so long as you qualify them as just your opinions, otherwise people may confuse you with people that actually know what they are talking about. ;D ;D ;D ;D

I must admit to a certain amount of sympathy for both sides of this debate, but overall, I fall on the side of those who contend that the Islamist extremists, have hijacked the primary agenda, and twisted it into an anti-Israel exercise, which we should not be any party to.

I don't deny that Israel has many issues it could handle better, but I hardly think Islamists are guilt free either,(is that the understatement of the year?), so I think we should steer clear of being seen to legitimise any extremist groups agenda.

So sayith Squire Mozzaok Esq.  
The IV Earl in line for ascention to the Crown of The Great 5 Sealed Turtle Egg.

hahahahah

Calanen wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 8:01am:

mantra wrote on Apr 20th, 2009 at 11:32am: wrote on Apr 20th, 2009 at 9:50am: Irwin is right, the jews are the biggest racists on earth besides the fundy christian,the yanks dont have the balls to turn up either, I suppose the facts the jews own the USA might have something to do with it. Quote: They also own Canada.  Every religion can be denigrated except for Judaism and if you condemn the actions of some Jews you are considered despicable.   The Jews own Canada? What a lot of paranoid nonsense. [quote]I was listening to some broadcaster gossip about Mel Gibson and he was talking about how clever Gibson was, but how he did the unforgiveable by denigrating the Jews.   What Gibson said, while he has the right to say it, was idiotic. The Jews cause all wars? And he was rightly criticised. But it was not because it was Jews that he was criticised, he would have been criticised if he said blacks, or hispanics, or any race. In the next breath the same persecutor went on to condemn Gibson's "breakaway Catholic religion" and make inferences it was an eccentricity of his. [quote]Bag anyone - but don't bag the Jews.

I have almost never seen a critique of judaism the religion, anywhere. What I have seen, a lot of, is that there allegations of some intrinsic racial deviancy in Jews.

Anyone can criticse Judaism, and say, no Jesus is the Messiah or whatever. It is offensive and defies commonsense to say that Jews are somehow racially impure and evil, as the Third Reich took to an art form.

In a different setting althogether, Islam is NOT a race, and it cannot be critcised.  So it seems what you would like is no criticism of Islam the ideology, but also wanting to talk about the racially inferior ebil Jew and somehow try to make invalid comparisons between the two.


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Foreign Minister Stephen Smith yesterday said that while Australia remained strongly committed to fighting racism, the federal Government could not support the document reaffirming the original declaration. Canada, the US, Israel and Italy have for similar reasons already pulled out of Durban II, which begins today.

And so they should. In Israel, you can be openly gay. In pretty much all Islamic countries, to be openly gay, means you are openly dead.

In Israel, you can practice any religion you like. In almost all Muslim countries, you are persecuted for practising any religion other than Islam, and have courts with the force of law to inflict that upon you.

In Israel, you have democracy and proper courts with the rule of law. Under most Islamic countries you have petty dictators that ensure the whole judicial system is rigged and a farce.

And yet these countries, these Islamic countries, are saying that Israel violates human rights, when they provide no tolerance of any form of dissent or human right in their own lands?


Quote:

Julia Irwin is right.  How hypocritical is this government?  Rudd is just a little puppet and his true character is surfacing with this decision - although Howard would have done the same. Don't upset the big boys regardless of whether you agree with their decisions or not.

Rudd made the absolute right decision. Do you think your Saint Obama told him to do that? Remember the Ebil Satan Bush is gone, so you can't really believe that Holy Obama would direct us not to attend? I doubt he would care whether we did attend or not, let alone compel us too leave.

Julie Irwin is an idiot who doesn't know anything about Islam. And all Durban II is about, is the 'Let's bash Israel' conference led by the Islamic countries, invoking Islam's paranoid hatred of all things Jewish. I am glad that we do not want to be part of that. And instead of looking at some real human rights violations, like say, the 100s of 1000s of people slaughtered by Islamic rulers in the Sudan, we get the 'I HATE ISRAEL' fest.

It is a complete and utter joke, and I am glad that my government took a bold step and left this charade of a human rights conference. It is just a Nuremburg Rally masquerading as a charity ball.

[/quote]


Just so.

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IRANIAN leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has unleashed international condemnation of his speech to the UN anti-racism conference, with Israeli President Shimon Peres likening him to Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin. And despite a walkout during the speech by 23 EU delegates, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said "the world sounds a weak voice against those who advocate erasing Israel". Mr Ahmadinejad defied UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, who had urged the Iranian President before he took to the podium not to use his address on the opening day of the conference to attack Israel. Mr Ban said the speech had been a manipulation of the forum and "I deplore the use of this platform by the Iranian President to accuse, divide and even incite". "It is deeply regrettable that my plea to look to the future of unity was not heeded by the Iranian President." - [how muslim of him] Mr Ahmadinejad told the conference in Geneva, dubbed "Durban II", that Israel was "the most cruel and repressive racist regime". In a reference to the Holocaust, which he has described as a "myth", Mr Ahmadinejad spoke of "the pretext of Jewish suffering". While some delegates walked out, others shouted interjections and some applauded him. Mr Ahmadinejad was taken aback when one demonstrator, a French Jewish student dressed as a clown, threw an object towards him, but he continued after calling the man "ignorant". "Following World War II, they resorted to military aggression to make an entire nation homeless under the pretext of Jewish suffering," he said. "They sent migrants from Europe, the US and other parts of the world in order to establish a totally racist government in the occupied Palestine. "The word Zionism personifies racism that falsely resorts to religion and abuses religious sentiments to hide their hatred." The speech coincided with Holocaust Remembrance Day. In Israel, Mr Netanyahu told those who gathered at Jerusalem's Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial for a service broadcast nationally: "We will not allow the Holocaust deniers to carry out another Holocaust against the Jewish people. This is the supreme duty of the state of Israel. This is my supreme duty as Prime Minister of Israel." Mr Peres, a Nobel Peace Prize-winner, said earlier that "among those who collaborated with the Nazis, and those who stood by and let the Holocaust happen, there are those who criticise the one state that rose to grant refuge to Holocaust survivors, the one state that will prevent another Holocaust. "It is hard to fathom why despots such as Hitler the Nazi, Stalin the Bolshevik and Ahmadinejad the Persian chose the Jews as the main target for their hatred, their madness and their violence. "Perhaps they targeted the Jewish people because of its spiritual power - a nation poor in material possessions, but rich in values - for he who is infected with megalomania fears the power of the spirit." British Foreign Secretary David Milliband condemned the Ahmadinejad speech as "inflammatory and utterly unacceptable", but defended Britain's decision to participate in the conference.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25367212-2703,00.html

Frederick the Great asked for a proof of god's existence. The simple answer of his court chaplain was: "The jews, sire."

tallowood wrote on Apr 21^st, 2009 at 9:17pm:

wrote on Apr 21st, 2009 at 11:10am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 20th, 2009 at 10:38am: skippy -   Quote: welll I am anti religion, anybody who puts their religion before fellow humans is a retard. So you would be ok with ....."love one another as you love yourself" ?? Yes sprint I would, now it seems to me as an atheist that I have more compassion for my fellow human beings than any god botherer ive seem write here, I think if god or jesus or any greater being did exist that he(we;ll call him a he) would want all humans to accept each other as brothers and sisters and not bag them just because they were a different religion, but instead we have all this s hit about my religion is better than yours and we can bag muslims but not the jews. All religions try to dictate that they are the only true religion, the christians are the worst offenders; having spent ten years in sunday school as a kid I can say that every week we were told the only true way to heaven is to accept jesus, no ifs no buts, I'm sure muslims say the same about allah and the jews dont accept jesus as being the son of god at all so they think the christians and the muslims are whacko. It is really funny how atheists hate jews because of perceived wrong the jews did to Jesus. That is another proof that atheism is just another intolerant religion who still holld number one record of mass murdering.

You seem to have a problem with the truth tallow, or a major reading problem, I dont even believe in jesus how could I hate the jews for percieved wrong doing, there were lots of blokes about called jesus in those days but I dont believe any of them were the son of god, I dont believe in god.
Atheism isn't a religion its a non belief in anything created, I believe in evolution not fairy tales, but thats me every atheist is different.
Your last comment about atheists being the largest group of mass murderers is as stupid a statement I've ever seen you write but keep it up the world needs all kinds. I worry what will happen the day it gets through the heads of the godbotherer that its all a fairy tale,just like the easter bunny,these believers neeed a crutch, too weak to accept when they die thats it the're dead.

tallowood wrote on Apr 21^st, 2009 at 9:17pm:

wrote on Apr 21st, 2009 at 11:10am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 20th, 2009 at 10:38am: skippy -   Quote: welll I am anti religion, anybody who puts their religion before fellow humans is a retard. So you would be ok with ....."love one another as you love yourself" ?? Yes sprint I would, now it seems to me as an atheist that I have more compassion for my fellow human beings than any god botherer ive seem write here, I think if god or jesus or any greater being did exist that he(we;ll call him a he) would want all humans to accept each other as brothers and sisters and not bag them just because they were a different religion, but instead we have all this s hit about my religion is better than yours and we can bag muslims but not the jews. All religions try to dictate that they are the only true religion, the christians are the worst offenders; having spent ten years in sunday school as a kid I can say that every week we were told the only true way to heaven is to accept jesus, no ifs no buts, I'm sure muslims say the same about allah and the jews dont accept jesus as being the son of god at all so they think the christians and the muslims are whacko. It is really funny how atheists hate jews because of perceived wrong the jews did to Jesus. That is another proof that atheism is just another intolerant religion who still holld number one record of mass murdering.

tallowood,

Yes.

Very observant.



Atheists invariably seem to hate Jews & Christians with a passion, but will often [it seems to me] give ISLAM a 'pass', because it is 'The Religion of Peace' perhaps?

I note that here skippy puts ISLAM in the same camp with those compassion-less Jews & Christians.



Quote:

".......I'm sure muslims say the same about allah and the jews dont accept jesus as being the son of god at all so they think the christians and the muslims are whacko."

skippy said,


Quote:

.....I think if god or jesus or any greater being did exist that he(we;ll call him a he) would want all humans to accept each other as brothers and sisters and not bag them just because they were a different religion,

skippy,

You suggest that my God [if he/she existed] "would want all humans to accept each other as brothers and sisters"?

You are mistaken.

My God exhorts his ppl, to separate themselves from those who are clearly wicked.

NOT TO KILL THEM, but to separate ourselves from them.

Why do you think that would be?

And skippy, maybe, just maybe, the reason that i continually 'bag' muslims / ISLAM, is not, 'just because they were a different religion,'.


EXAMPLES....

April 21, 2009
Man kills sister, niece, for "honor"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025778.php

April 21, 2009
Christian militants jailed for plot against Muslim schoolteacher and imam -- no, wait...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025770.php


.....etc, etc, etc, .....ad infinitum.


My advice to you skippy, and to all ppl like you,

.....YOU ARE 'ASLEEP', OPEN YOUR EYES.







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2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Well if your god  says to seperate those who are wicked he is wicked, what ever happenned to turn the other cheek? your gods a wanker get a new one, the rastas are cool and you get to wear dreads.

tallowood wrote on Apr 21^st, 2009 at 9:17pm:

It is really funny how atheists hate jews because of perceived wrong the jews did to Jesus. That is another proof that atheism is just another intolerant religion who still holld number one record of mass murdering.

Stupid as ever, Tallow.

It's Christians who 'hate jews because of perceived wrong the jews did to Jesus.'

helian - i though jews and xians got on well.

Soren wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 10:54am:

Frederick the Great asked for a proof of god's existence. The simple answer of his court chaplain was: "The jews, sire."

That indeed is 'deep'.

And so true.           :)






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Isaiah 43:1
But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.
2  When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.
3  For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
4  Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life.
5  Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;
6  I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
7  Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
8  Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
9  Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.
10  Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
12  I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.
13  Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?
.....
.....
21  This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.
22  But thou hast not called upon me, O Jacob; but thou hast been weary of me, O Israel.
23  Thou hast not brought me the small cattle of thy burnt offerings; neither hast thou honoured me with thy sacrifices. I have not caused thee to serve with an offering, nor wearied thee with incense.
24  Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities.
25  I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
26  Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified.
27  Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me.
28  Therefore I have profaned the princes of the sanctuary, and have given Jacob to the curse, and Israel to reproaches.

Isaiah 44:1
Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:
2  Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

Athia- 43 chapter 2-

those whom believeth in god is of insaneth mind.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 11:26am:

helian - i though jews and xians got on well.

It's sure true that since WW2 Christian Churches (particularly the Catholic Church whose history spans the entire Christian era) have done a lot of soul searching and breast beating about its role both in being silent on Nazi Jewish persecution and being mostly responsible for anti-Semitism throughout Christendom throughout millennia. However, anti-Semitism is still rife in places like Catholic Poland for example, where ancient enmities against Jews still exist.

Pope Jon Paul II 'kindly' determined that Matthew 27:25 "His blood be on us, and on our children." was to refer only to those two generations and not also to all Jews born subsequently as the Church had been doing for 1600 years.

Yadda wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 11:03am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 21st, 2009 at 9:17pm: It is really funny how atheists hate jews because of perceived wrong the jews did to Jesus. tallowood, Yes. Very observant.

And you should know better, Yadda.

wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 11:59am:

Athia- 43 chapter 2- those whom believeth in god is of insaneth mind.

skip,


I have a better quote, than that one.


Psalms 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2  The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.



And, my quote is real.

Suck it up.                8-)

Yadda wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 12:32pm:

wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 11:59am: Athia- 43 chapter 2- those whom believeth in god is of insaneth mind. skip, I have a better quote, than that one. Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2  The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. And, my quote is real. Suck it up.                8-)

So said a sand monkey on goat's piss wine.

Yadda wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 12:32pm:

wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 11:59am: Athia- 43 chapter 2- those whom believeth in god is of insaneth mind. skip, I have a better quote, than that one. Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2  The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. And, my quote is real. Suck it up.                8-)

skip,

Got another quote for you......


The context of this quotes speaks of all of us, all mankind.




Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
7  As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.
8  They eat up the sin of my people, and they set their heart on their iniquity.
9  And there shall be, like people, like priest: and I will punish them for their ways, and reward them their doings.
10  For they shall eat, and not have enough: they shall commit whoredom, and shall not increase: because they have left off to take heed to the LORD.
11  Whoredom and wine and new wine take away the heart.



"......For they shall eat, and not have enough:"


Wow, read another way, that sounds like our present greed and avarice society to me!

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 12:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 12:32pm: wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 11:59am: Athia- 43 chapter 2- those whom believeth in god is of insaneth mind. skip, I have a better quote, than that one. Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2  The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. And, my quote is real. Suck it up.                8-) So said a sand monkey on goat's piss wine.

helian,

You clearly have my philosophy and person, confused with another group of 'devotees'.

I can assure you, that i don't follow ISLAM.

Yadda wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 12:51pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 12:44pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 12:32pm: wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 11:59am: Athia- 43 chapter 2- those whom believeth in god is of insaneth mind. skip, I have a better quote, than that one. Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2  The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. And, my quote is real. Suck it up.                8-) So said a sand monkey on goat's piss wine. helian, You clearly have my philosophy and person, confused with another group of 'devotees'. I can assure you, that don't follow ISLAM.

No, they don't drink... The tone of their scripture is identical though. All ancient Semites, I guess.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 12:55pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 12:51pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 12:44pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 12:32pm: wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 11:59am: Athia- 43 chapter 2- those whom believeth in god is of insaneth mind. skip, I have a better quote, than that one. Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2  The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. And, my quote is real. Suck it up.                8-) So said a sand monkey on goat's piss wine. helian, You clearly have my philosophy and person, confused with another group of 'devotees'. I can assure you, that don't follow ISLAM. No, they don't drink... The tone of their scripture is identical though. All ancient Semites, I guess.

helian,

That is what they tell us, OPENLY.

But the reality of their 'morality', is often very different from what they speak.



Old red Indian man saying.....

"Snakes, speak with forked tongues."

OK, we have seen some opinions voiced about various religions, as some theists' ideas on how they interpret atheists' views about certain issues, all of which is fine, but the central issue is whether or not you support the Australian Government's decision to join the boycott of the Durban II, anti-racism conference.

Some are seeming to judge others rationale for supporting, or not supporting, the boycott, as being religiously motivated, whereas I think that the issue is much broader than that, and humanitarian ideals, and political viewpoints are also very much behind peoples' decision to boycott this UN talkfest.

So, how about a show of hands?

Who supports the boycott, and who thinks that we should have attended?

I will start the ball rolling by saying that I support the boycott.

So that is one vote for Australia boycotting this event.

OK boys and girls, here is your chance to see how your views stack up against the others.

we had an increased chance of a positive effect had we gone.
ie, we could have spoken out against what we disagreed with.

Sure, we make our feelings known by not going, but it may have been more mature and purposeful by going.

We can object most strongly when there.


I vote against the boycott, for the same reason as I supporrted it before.

Yadda wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 12:32pm:

wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 11:59am: Athia- 43 chapter 2- those whom believeth in god is of insaneth mind. skip, I have a better quote, than that one. Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2  The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. And, my quote is real. Suck it up.                8-)

Your quote was written by some pleb, how does that make it real as gods word?
besides the quote means fa, your god isn't  real so the quote is just more gobbly gook.  8-) :o ;D

I'm undecided and voted that way, we should have gone by not going as sprint says we dont have a say.
the reason for not going isnt because I think it undiplomatic, but I'm a realist, the USA didn't want us there and as per usual we succumbed to the preasure .
If the USA had gone so would have we, but the jews have to much financial control in both counties and Rudds covering his ass.

Sprint, and Skippy, I think your views that our going to Durban II may have allowed us to be a voice of reason, amongst the cacophony of extremist rhetoric, that is expected from the Islamist bloc, is a valid point.

I decided to vote Yes, because I felt that by refusing to remove the anti-Israel focus, which had been initiated at Durban I, they signaled a clear intention to try and use this UN event, as a political vehicle to try and promote a heavily biased Islamist agenda, and once that decision was made, our government believed we had no choice other than, to withdraw.

They boycott was childish.  No one should take stupid comments by Iran seriously.

I wish that were true Kytro, but Iran does command a pretty strong following in the muslim world, so what they say does matter to lots of muslims, and seeing that get UN blessing, is what concerns many people.

Kytro wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 2:23pm:

They boycott was childish.  No one should take stupid comments by Iran seriously.

Should stupid comments like this be taken seriously? Probably not - but then you are not developing nuclear weapons.

mozzaok wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 1:14pm:

OK, we have seen some opinions voiced about various religions, as some theists' ideas on how they interpret atheists' views about certain issues, all of which is fine, but the central issue is whether or not you support the Australian Government's decision to join the boycott of the Durban II, anti-racism conference. Some are seeming to judge others rationale for supporting, or not supporting, the boycott, as being religiously motivated, whereas I think that the issue is much broader than that, and humanitarian ideals, and political viewpoints are also very much behind peoples' decision to boycott this UN talkfest. So, how about a show of hands? Who supports the boycott, and who thinks that we should have attended? I will start the ball rolling by saying that I support the boycott. So that is one vote for Australia boycotting this event.

It is an upside down world when Eli Weisel is protesting outside a Human Rights conferencee while Ahmadinnerjacket is the keynote speaker within, to the applause of all third world pseudo-countries, including every member of the Islamic Conference, thugs one and all.

"Of course, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict inflames the Muslim world in a way the Chechen one does not. But why is that, when so many more Muslims are being victimised by Russia?

Then too, why does the wider world participate in the Muslim world's moral priorities? Why, for instance, do high-profile Western writers such as Portuguese Nobel laureate Jose Saramago make "solidarity" pilgrimages to Ramallah but not to the Chechen capital of Grozny? Why do British academics organise boycotts of their Israeli counterparts but not their Russian ones?

Why is Palestinian statehood considered a global moral imperative, but statehood for Chechnya is not?

Why does every Israeli prime minister invariably become a global pariah, when not one person in 1000 knows the name of Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov, a man who, by many accounts, keeps a dungeon near his house in order to personally torture his political opponents? And why does the fact that Kadyrov is Vladimir Putin's handpicked enforcer in Chechnya not cause a shudder of revulsion as the Obama administration reaches for the reset button with Russia?

I have a hypothesis. Maybe the world attends to Palestinian grievances but not Chechen ones for the sole reason that Palestinians are, uniquely, the perceived victims of the Jewish state. That is when they are not being victimised by other Palestinians. Or being expelled en masse from Kuwait. Or being excluded from the labour force in Lebanon. Things you probably didn't know about, either.

As for the Chechens, too bad for their cause that no Jew is ever likely to become president of Russia."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25367401-5013479,00.html

Jew-hatred is not an exclusive muslim disease (although it is a very virulent and uncurable strand of it) and after WWII it is still eagerly caught in its "palesitian liberation' guise.

Its time the jews were finally told they are not above the law.

Quote:

Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2  The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. And, my quote is real.

Sorry, I had to backtrack to that statement. It sounds almost "Koranic".
What simple minded fool would've written something like that?
As a non-believer in an interventionist God, I still have no problem with people's beliefs as long as they do no harm to others or try to force them on other people.

DILLIGAF wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 7:52pm:

Its time the jews were finally told they are not above the law.

Finally?? And in what possible sense have the jews ever been above the law? If you look at their history it is impossible to say that they have ever been above the law.
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/HistoryJewishPersecution/

No other people has been so peresistently persecuted. Now, having learned to trust no one for their safety ever again after their industral scale slaughter, now they refuse to go quietly, as they did for 2000 years, and that refusal becomes one more stick to beat them with, the 'jews are above the law' stick.

No other people has contributed so much to humanity through arts, science, industry.

Other than slogans, do you haave anything to show that they have ever been above the law?

amadd - I don't know.
It is from the OT and a tough quote.
But where is it wrong or aggressive, forceful. harmful to others ???

it says, ALL have sinned, jews and everyone.
Is that right ?

Soren wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 6:31pm:

mozzaok wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 1:14pm: OK, we have seen some opinions voiced about various religions, as some theists' ideas on how they interpret atheists' views about certain issues, all of which is fine, but the central issue is whether or not you support the Australian Government's decision to join the boycott of the Durban II, anti-racism conference. Some are seeming to judge others rationale for supporting, or not supporting, the boycott, as being religiously motivated, whereas I think that the issue is much broader than that, and humanitarian ideals, and political viewpoints are also very much behind peoples' decision to boycott this UN talkfest. So, how about a show of hands? Who supports the boycott, and who thinks that we should have attended? I will start the ball rolling by saying that I support the boycott. So that is one vote for Australia boycotting this event. It is an upside down world when Eli Weisel is protesting outside a Human Rights conferencee while Ahmadinnerjacket is the keynote speaker within, to the applause of all third world pseudo-countries, including every member of the Islamic Conference, thugs one and all. "Of course, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict inflames the Muslim world in a way the Chechen one does not. But why is that, when so many more Muslims are being victimised by Russia? Then too, why does the wider world participate in the Muslim world's moral priorities? Why, for instance, do high-profile Western writers such as Portuguese Nobel laureate Jose Saramago make "solidarity" pilgrimages to Ramallah but not to the Chechen capital of Grozny? Why do British academics organise boycotts of their Israeli counterparts but not their Russian ones? Why is Palestinian statehood considered a global moral imperative, but statehood for Chechnya is not? Why does every Israeli prime minister invariably become a global pariah, when not one person in 1000 knows the name of Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov, a man who, by many accounts, keeps a dungeon near his house in order to personally torture his political opponents? And why does the fact that Kadyrov is Vladimir Putin's handpicked enforcer in Chechnya not cause a shudder of revulsion as the Obama administration reaches for the reset button with Russia? I have a hypothesis. Maybe the world attends to Palestinian grievances but not Chechen ones for the sole reason that Palestinians are, uniquely, the perceived victims of the Jewish state. That is when they are not being victimised by other Palestinians. Or being expelled en masse from Kuwait. Or being excluded from the labour force in Lebanon. Things you probably didn't know about, either. As for the Chechens, too bad for their cause that no Jew is ever likely to become president of Russia." http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25367401-5013479,00.html Jew-hatred is not an exclusive muslim disease (although it is a very virulent and uncurable strand of it) and after WWII it is still eagerly caught in its "palesitian liberation' guise.

There is theory that Chechens are muslim Jews. Russians use some of them to infiltrate hamas.

tallowood wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 9:28pm:

There is theory that Chechens are muslim Jews.

One of easel's 'I have been reliably told' tall tales?

Soren wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 9:13pm:

Finally?? And in what possible sense have the jews ever been above the law? If you look at their history it is impossible to say that they have ever been above the law.

Israel for one, look at it. And then they have the nerve to ask everyone to boycott this conference because they know they will be exposed and asked to explain their actions.


Quote:

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/HistoryJewishPersecution/

I will not read something written or approved by jews on their history. its severely distorted.


Quote:

No other people has been so peresistently persecuted.

I wonder why. these things dont happen for nothing.


Quote:

Now, having learned to trust no one for their safety ever again after their industral scale slaughter,

Which never happened


Quote:

now they refuse to go quietly, as they did for 2000 years, and that refusal becomes one more stick to beat them with, the 'jews are above the law' stick.

They believe they are. The bankers, polititians, Kissinger etc.....


Quote:

No other people has contributed so much to humanity through arts, science, industry.

HA HA HA HA HA thats funny please give me some names but not the obvious few.


Quote:

Other than slogans, do you haave anything to show that they have ever been above the law?

There are thousands of things Soren, research it. I aint wasting my time on that it will take hours.

Soren wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 9:56pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 9:28pm: There is theory that Chechens are muslim Jews. One of easel's 'I have been reliably told' tall tales?

Boris Beresovskiy is the head Chechen.

tallowood wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 10:06pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 9:56pm: tallowood wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 9:28pm: There is theory that Chechens are muslim Jews. One of easel's 'I have been reliably told' tall tales? Boris Beresovskiy is the head Chechen.

How does he manage that, as a Moscow-born jewsh engineer who converted to orthodox christianity?

Soren wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 10:11pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 10:06pm: Soren wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 9:56pm: tallowood wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 9:28pm: There is theory that Chechens are muslim Jews. One of easel's 'I have been reliably told' tall tales? Boris Beresovskiy is the head Chechen. How does he manage that, as a Moscow-born jewsh engineer who converted to orthodox christianity?

I think he was educated as theoretical physicist and is pretty good with math.

.

Quote:

amadd - I don't know. It is from the OT and a tough quote. But where is it wrong or aggressive, forceful. harmful to others ??? it says, ALL have sinned, jews and everyone. Is that right ?

It sounds to me like, "If you don't believe in God then you are corrupt and evil". I'm sure that's the way a lot of people would read it.

Amadd wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 10:26pm:

Quote: amadd - I don't know. It is from the OT and a tough quote. But where is it wrong or aggressive, forceful. harmful to others ??? it says, ALL have sinned, jews and everyone. Is that right ? It sounds to me like, "If you don't believe in God then you are corrupt and evil". I'm sure that's the way a lot of people would read it.

Many religious militant atheists make it to sound like "If you believe in God then you are corrupt and evil".

tallowood wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 10:26pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 10:11pm: tallowood wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 10:06pm: Soren wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 9:56pm: tallowood wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 9:28pm: There is theory that Chechens are muslim Jews. One of easel's 'I have been reliably told' tall tales? Boris Beresovskiy is the head Chechen. How does he manage that, as a Moscow-born jewsh engineer who converted to orthodox christianity? I think he was educated as theoretical physicist and is pretty good with math. .

And that makes him a Chechen?

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Many religious militant atheists make it to sound like "If you believe in God then you are corrupt and evil".

What do you believe?

tallowood wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 10:31pm:

Many religious militant atheists make it to sound like "If you believe in God then you are corrupt and evil".

The terms religion, believe, faith in English have multiple meanings that coincide only in a metaphoric sense (i.e. not literally)

You can say

'For Bob cricket is his religion'. But this would not be to say that Bob is a religious cricket fan (Unless he's also Christian, Muslim, Hindu etc).

'I eat curry religously to try to like it, but I just can't stand it' and not say 'I am a religious curry muncher.. Currymunchism is my religion'.

'I believe the train will arrive in 15 minutes' and not 'I'm a religious Train-on-timist'

tallowood wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 10:31pm:

Amadd wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 10:26pm: Quote: amadd - I don't know. It is from the OT and a tough quote. But where is it wrong or aggressive, forceful. harmful to others ??? it says, ALL have sinned, jews and everyone. Is that right ? It sounds to me like, "If you don't believe in God then you are corrupt and evil". I'm sure that's the way a lot of people would read it. Many religious militant atheists make it to sound like "If you believe in God then you are corrupt and evil".

Amazing isn't it Tallo?

With the removal of just one letter, and just nominate the deity, you may even hear some say;


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Many religious militant a theists make it to sound like "If you believe in God Allah then you are corrupt and evil".

Now who do you think would ever say something like that? ;)

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Many religious militant a theists make it to sound like "If you believe in God  Allah then you are corrupt and evil"

It's not the belief in Allah that is corrupt and evil. I could care less whether people worship Allah or the Magic Teapot. It is using the mantra Allah commands it, to rubber stamp all sorts of evil policies throughout the Islamic world:

- the brutal discrimination of women, violence, rape against women enforced by law;
- religious persecution;
- approval for warfare against non-believers;
- the right to commit violence against anyone who offends allah and/or his followers, on the flimsiest of pretexts.
- the right, because allah commands it, to work non-stop at the white anting of western society and installing sharia government, because this is a divine command.
- violent persecution of homosexuals
- the death to anyone who changes religion away from Islam.

That is the problem I have with the followers of Allah, that they use the fact that Allah apparently approves to justify all manner of evil. Whatever they worship I dont give a toss - but human rights violations and evil do not get a free pass from being criticised just because you commit these crimes in the name of religion.

Kytro wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 2:23pm:

They boycott was childish.  No one should take stupid comments by Iran seriously.

Kytro,

To me, your statement, assertion above, makes no sense - AT ALL.

If we can't take ppl at their word, what is the point of dialogue between any two parties?,
.....PERIOD!?





Watch these words, which come out of the lips of President Ahmadinejad...

"The ocean of rage of the people of the region will surge and eradicate the Zionist regime."

YOUTUBE
Farewell Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-IwwfeLp4M





On the basis of your assertions......

Q.
Are President Ahmadinejad's words all poppycock and bluster?

Q.
Do they have absolutely no effect, in the ISLAMIC world?




Ignore the words of President Ahmadinejad if you will.

I don't.







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President Ahmadinejad, A DEVOUT MUSLIM, doesn't read the OT bible.
[......the OT bible is 'verboten' to muslims.]

Perhaps he should?,


Psalms 83:2
For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.

Dictionary,
tumult = =
1 a loud, confused noise, as caused by a large mass of people.
2 confusion or disorder.


Isaiah 17:12
Woe to the multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!


Isaiah 59:19
So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.


Jeremiah 46:7
Who is this that cometh up as a flood, whose waters are moved as the rivers?

Amadd wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 10:57pm:

Quote: Many religious militant atheists make it to sound like "If you believe in God then you are corrupt and evil". What do you believe?

I believe that if there is a God, we should serve him, and seek his will, because [i believe that] he has our best interests at heart.


Joshua 24:15
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.


John 10:1
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2  But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3  To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4  And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5  And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6  This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7  Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8  All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9  I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10  The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11  I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 1:01pm:

Amadd wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 10:57pm: Quote: Many religious militant atheists make it to sound like "If you believe in God then you are corrupt and evil". What do you believe? I believe that if there is a God, we should serve him, and seek his will, because [i believe that] he has our best interests at heart.

I bet you're hoping he doesn't impose the Book of Job on you.

helian - hahahaha, good one.

that's why I so like athiests. Often witty.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:41pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 23rd, 2009 at 1:01pm: Amadd wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 10:57pm: Quote: Many religious militant atheists make it to sound like "If you believe in God then you are corrupt and evil". What do you believe? I believe that if there is a God, we should serve him, and seek his will, because [i believe that] he has our best interests at heart. I bet you're hoping he doesn't impose the Book of Job on you.

Job's trails, were given, the book of Job, was given, to us as a lesson about life.

i.e.
We are all honed by hardships, which test us in this life - or we are broken by them.

But it is we ourselves who choose, how we will respond to every hardship.

When they come upon us, do we curse God, or perhaps take an 'easy' way,
......or do we try to do what we know is right in life, and bear the hardship / 'sacrifice'?

Is that so difficult to comprehend?

We are 'made', we are 'formed', by our choices here.




Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.


Psalms 11:4
The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
5  The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.


Matthew 7:12
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13  Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14  Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 3:08pm:

Job's trails, were given, the book of Job, was given, to us as a lesson about life. i.e. We are all honed by hardships, which test us in this life - or we are broken by them. But it is we ourselves who choose, how we will respond to every hardship. When they come upon us, do we curse God, or perhaps take an 'easy' way, ......or do we try to do what we know is right in life, and bear the hardship / 'sacrifice'? Is that so difficult to comprehend? We are 'made', we are 'formed', by our choices here.

No sh!t, Ezekiel!  ;D

Bit of an old sadist that Yahweh.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 4:09pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 23rd, 2009 at 3:08pm: Job's trails, were given, the book of Job, was given, to us as a lesson about life. i.e. We are all honed by hardships, which test us in this life - or we are broken by them. But it is we ourselves who choose, how we will respond to every hardship. When they come upon us, do we curse God, or perhaps take an 'easy' way, ......or do we try to do what we know is right in life, and bear the hardship / 'sacrifice'? Is that so difficult to comprehend? We are 'made', we are 'formed', by our choices here. No sh!t, Ezekiel!  ;D Bit of an old sadist that Yahweh.

;D


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And indeed every day, this material world hammers home to us, the truth of, ...."To live, is to suffer."

"Buddhist Koan"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1224919310/13#13

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 4:29pm:

;D Quote: And indeed every day, this material world hammers home to us, the truth of, ...."To live, is to suffer." "Buddhist Koan" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1224919310/13#13

1. Life is suffering.

2. The origin of suffering is attachment.

3. The cessation of suffering is attainable.

4. The eightfold path leads to the cessation of suffering.

And not a deity required to intervene or persecute us more than karma permits.

mozzaok wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 11:41pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 10:31pm: Amadd wrote on Apr 22nd, 2009 at 10:26pm: Quote: amadd - I don't know. It is from the OT and a tough quote. But where is it wrong or aggressive, forceful. harmful to others ??? it says, ALL have sinned, jews and everyone. Is that right ? It sounds to me like, "If you don't believe in God then you are corrupt and evil". I'm sure that's the way a lot of people would read it. Many religious militant atheists make it to sound like "If you believe in God then you are corrupt and evil". Amazing isn't it Tallo? With the removal of just one letter, and just nominate the deity, you may even hear some say; [quote] Many religious militant a theists make it to sound like "If you believe in God Allah then you are corrupt and evil".

Now who do you think would ever say something like that? ;)
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Yes amazing it is.
Remove a from an atheist and you may understand what I mean.

DILLIGAF wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 9:57pm:

Quote: No other people has contributed so much to humanity through arts, science, industry. HA HA HA HA HA thats funny please give me some names but not the obvious few. [quote]Other than slogans, do you haave anything to show that they have ever been above the law?

There are thousands of things Soren, research it. I aint wasting my time on that it will take hours.





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Here's a list of notable jews, an excellent read for fun and, dare I say it, profit. You can slice it and dice it by country, field of achievement, even degrees of jewishness in some cases.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew#Notable_Jews

Re industrial slaughter of jews never happened - well, what's that thing  people refer to as the holocaust or the final soluton and all that?


Re thousands of instances of jews above the law - research it where? Look for cases like Markus Enifeld getting off the hook - sorry, getting jailed? Or should I research instances like Pratt contracting terminal cancer just to slither out of a court appearance? What to look for?