You can bet that if these were Australians causing so much havoc, they would've been treated much more harshly.
As far as I know, no charges have even been laid.

We must appease our Indian friends so that they may pay for university places while ordinary Australians miss out.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 3:21pm:

Why the delaying tactics? This is your chance to suckhole up... and be for 'curry bashing'.

I am against violence, irrespectively of motif.

But I would prefer to see the investigation complete and have the informed view not the forced interpretation by violent protest.

AKASH ARORA , Don't believe the media hype: racism is often a two-way street
Indians have a cheek attacking Australia as a racist country.


In The Age

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/dont-believe-the-media-hype-racism-is-often-a-twoway-street-20090601-bsto.html

And then


New attack: Indian student slashed in FrankstonAndra Jackson
June 2, 2009 - 8:12PM

http://www.theage.com.au/national/new-attack-indian-student-slashed-in-frankston-20090602-bu9r.html

Look... lets cut to the chase.
Anyone who doesn't like it here...  CAN GO BACK HOME!!!!!

Here in Australia there are more violent attacks against Australians then against anybody else.

Well I feel sorry for any people who are targeted for racial reasons, but the protest is a silly over reaction, and the whole racist slur against all aussies is unfair.

We are probably not the least racist country in the world, but we surely would be better than very many, and we are improving.
The thing about this particular brand of racism, is that it is not sytemic, but rather random attacks by individual dickheads, who have xenophobic tendencies, because of their ignorance, and social situation, which makes the Indian's protests pretty meaningless, as far as achieving any positive outcomes, and downright inflammatory in drawing more attention onto them from the idiot racists we do suffer.

It is unfortunate that some of the less capable construe both valid, and invalid criticisms of various racial groups, as validation for racist ideology,  and lack the ability to discern what is fair, and what is not.

That was why people like Pauline Hanson, were a negative influence on aussies, because whether she was racist or not, her comments were interpreted by racists, as validation of their views, and they should not be getting any validation from any quarter, they should be being ostracised and made to feel like the pariahs that they are, because racist views inevitably lead to racial conflict, just like these Indian students are being subjected to, and aussies should be better than that.

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Look... lets cut to the chase. Anyone who doesn't like it here...  CAN GO BACK HOME!!!!!

Yes I agree with you Grendel (Hoorayyy  ;D), multiculturalism hasn't worked.
I'd be more of the opinion to kick them out.

They cn go back home to their brown skinned, non-racist neighbors who are trying to blow them to smitherines.

They can go back home and burn Rudd effigies with their buddies.

But our politicians will bend over backwards and forwards for them because they bring them money (not us).
They pay agents for non-existent courses so that they can work here  and send money back to India. They are sly pricks, I know what they do, I've worked with them.

Amadd wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 10:56pm:

Yes I agree with you Grendel (Hoorayyy  ;D), multiculturalism hasn't worked. I'd be more of the opinion to kick them out. They cn go back home to their brown skinned, non-racist neighbors who are trying to blow them to smitherines. They can go back home and burn Rudd effigies with their buddies. But our politicians will bend over backwards and forwards for them because they bring them money (not us). They pay agents for non-existent courses so that they can work here  and send money back to India. They are sly pricks, I know what they do, I've worked with them.

See, Happy... Soon they might be gunning for you.

Put up or shut up Helian.

Amadd wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 11:19pm:

Put up or shut up Helian.

That scene in Mississippi Burning. How does that song go?

Something like…


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Now listen, you communists and n!ggers and Jews Tell all your buddies to spread the news Your Day of Judgment will soon be nigh As the Lord in his wisdom looks down from on high Will his battle be lost by mixin' the races? We want beautiful babies, not ones with brown faces. Never, never, never, I say For the Ku Klux Klan is here to stay Never, never, never, I say Cos the Ku Klux Klan is here to stay.

I bet you could see yourself as a grand wizard.

I was after some opinion Helian, not arrogance.
I really couldn't care less what colour their skin is, the action is what I'm commenting on.

That's where the racist card is always drawn.
Well, how about I complain about racism against fair skinned people?
How about I go to the CBD and burn an effigy of an Indian?
Would that be OK?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 11:06pm:

... See, Happy... Soon they might be gunning for you.

I am happy that you are safe.

Happy wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2009 at 10:34am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 11:06pm: ... See, Happy... Soon they might be gunning for you. I am happy that you are safe.

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INDIAN STUDENT ATTACKED IN CAR PARK Wednesday, June 3, 2009 http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/820973/indians-lose-faith-in-vic-police-force An Indian student has suffered minor injuries in an attempted armed robbery in Melbourne's southeast. The attack comes as Indian students say they have lost confidence in police to investigate a spate of crimes they say is racially targeted at them. Police say they have appealed for witnesses to the latest attack, in the car park at Chisholm Institute of TAFE in Dandenong about 1.30pm (AEST) on Tuesday. The 21-year-old student was confronted by up to five men in the car park, police said. One demanded a cigarette and money from the man, who refused to hand over anything. The group set upon the man, with one slashing him across the chest. He suffered a minor laceration and made his own way to a police station to report the crime. Victoria Police spokeswoman Karla Dennis said the attack was not thought to be racially motivated.Tensions over attacks on Indian people prompted a protest in central Melbourne on Sunday and the gridlocking of a major city intersection throughout the night by up to 400 demonstrators. The demonstration was broken up about 5am (AEST) by police, who have since been accused of being too heavy-handed with protesters. The issue of racially motivated attacks has raised headlines in India, with New Delhi warning violence against its students in Australia could jeopardise the numbers of Indians coming to Australia to study, earning the country $2 billion a year. Police believe that while some of the attacks may be racially-motivated, it is more likely part of a broader issue of escalating street violence.

Maybe not, but chances are that police are wrong.

Happy wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2009 at 11:21am:

Quote:   INDIAN STUDENT ATTACKED IN CAR PARK Wednesday, June 3, 2009 http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/820973/indians-lose-faith-in-vic-police-force An Indian student has suffered minor injuries in an attempted armed robbery in Melbourne's southeast. The attack comes as Indian students say they have lost confidence in police to investigate a spate of crimes they say is racially targeted at them. Police say they have appealed for witnesses to the latest attack, in the car park at Chisholm Institute of TAFE in Dandenong about 1.30pm (AEST) on Tuesday. The 21-year-old student was confronted by up to five men in the car park, police said. One demanded a cigarette and money from the man, who refused to hand over anything. The group set upon the man, with one slashing him across the chest. He suffered a minor laceration and made his own way to a police station to report the crime. Victoria Police spokeswoman Karla Dennis said the attack was not thought to be racially motivated.Tensions over attacks on Indian people prompted a protest in central Melbourne on Sunday and the gridlocking of a major city intersection throughout the night by up to 400 demonstrators. The demonstration was broken up about 5am (AEST) by police, who have since been accused of being too heavy-handed with protesters. The issue of racially motivated attacks has raised headlines in India, with New Delhi warning violence against its students in Australia could jeopardise the numbers of Indians coming to Australia to study, earning the country $2 billion a year. Police believe that while some of the attacks may be racially-motivated, it is more likely part of a broader issue of escalating street violence. Maybe not, but chances are that police are wrong.

It's somewhat ironic that Sikhs would be considered as soft targets for crime, given that Sikhs are from an Indian warrior caste, who value courage and strength as the greatest of virtues.

Police believe that while some of the attacks may be racially-motivated, it is more likely part of a broader issue of escalating street violence.

I have Sikh mates here and in Melbourne (they have beards and wear the headress), and have found them to be much easier to get on with than some other Indians who obviously think their caste system is alive and well here and includes non-Indians as well.

Amadd wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 2:48pm:

Indians stopped traffic in the busiest intersection of Melbourne's CBD last weekend demanding special protection over and above that which is afforded to average Australians. By Monday morning, police had to physically remove these pests so that Melbourne's CBD could function. Isn't it enough that average Australians are forced to put up with them taking university places which should be given to Australian citizens? You know where the dirty scummy street is brownboy - go there. Clashes at Melbourne racism protest Police in the Australian city of Melbourne have arrested at least 18 people following clashes with protesters demonstrating against a spate of attacks on Indian students. The clashes early on Monday morning came as police moved to clear protesters from blocking key intersections, bringing parts of the city to a standstill. Protesters later rallied at key intersections and staged a sit-in protest in front of the main railway station, blocking traffic in one of the city's busiest streets for almost 20 hours. The Federation of Indian Students of Australia, which organised the rally, said the attacks on Indian students were racially motivated. In a statement on its website it said it was calling for a peaceful protest to raise awareness, and promote racial harmony and peace. The student body also wants the Indian government to declare Australia an unsafe destination for Indian students if the attacks continue. .... http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2009/06/2009613428513474.html Here's hoping there will be more attacks....many more!

Ah Ammad you are really unrealistic man. Availability of University place should be determined by candidate’s intelligence not by the race.
Also you are very hash on Indians considering that they have many similarities with you. For example they like cricket so much, they have caste system and love noisy music and they are also considered as perfect Anglo slaves. You should be rather focused on common and good thinks than on differences.

Determination of a place in an Australian University should be all Australians first

Grendel wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2009 at 6:50pm:

Determination of a place in an Australian University should be all Australians first

Appears that Universities reluctantly pick up overseas candidates because they are paying higher fee.

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Ah Ammad you are really unrealistic man. Availability of University place should be determined by candidate’s intelligence not by the race...

I'm not talking about race Athos, I'm talking about citizens from a different nation.

The education business is huge. Too many foreigners competing for our universities drives up the fees for ordinary Australians.
I'm sure that every mum and dad who has paid their taxes to this country would like to think that their kids can get a good education here.

As well, those Indians had no right to stage a protest in the way that they did - any non-citizens who were involved in that should be deported immediately.

Happy wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2009 at 6:55pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 6:50pm: Determination of a place in an Australian University should be all Australians first Appears that Universities reluctantly pick up overseas candidates because they are paying higher fee.

Actually, the Commonwealth funds only a specific number of places each year and in each broad study area for local students. Universities then compete for the brightest Autralian students who are interested in that study area. SO for veterinary places the Commonwealth funds, say, 100 places but there are 500 Australian students applying. The cut off will be detremined by the top 100 entry scores. f there are two unis offeriong vet courses and one has 20 places but half the applicants, its cut off score will be higher than the uni with 75 places and the other half of all applicants.
On top of Commonwealth funded places, universities can have full fee paying places up to a certain number, both local and internatonal.

So international students do not displace any locals, neither fee paying, nor commonwealth supported, as far as funding by thee government is concerned.
It is another but related matter that the level of Commonwealth funding for each local student is too low. This is why unis are forever lookng for extra money. The higher educaton funding formula also requires that international students pay more then what the Commonwealth funds for the same course for local sstudents.

As well, those Indians had no right to stage a protest in the way that they did - any non-citizens who were involved in that should be deported immediately.
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Well probably they have, don’t forget they are member of the modified British colonial empire called Commonwealth.

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Too many foreigners competing for our universities drives up the fees for ordinary Australians.

You could not be more wrong on this point Ammad, the exact opposite is true.
The high fees being paid by foreign students support the universities, allowing them to have much lower fees for aussie students.

My wife is a university teacher.

I must also admit to be disappointed to see you support Grendels idiotic statement of , "if they don't like it go home", as if they should be expected to like being racially vilified, and subjected to physical assaults and robberies.

The problem is not that the Indian students are causing trouble, it is the racists who are causing trouble, and unfortunately for us, they are home, which shows what an offensively stupid statement Grendel made, and you supported.

If they don't like it here...  they can go home.
Logical and rational.

Soren...  the stupidity of assessing eligibility on an aggregate score is mind boggling.

people should not be restricted in such a fashion.

I could for example do all the easiest courses available at high school and have a very high aggregate mark, but not have any aptitude (or interest) or ability for some restricted Uni courses.  Arbitrarily putting a mark on marks is abject stupidity.

mozzaok wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2009 at 10:20pm:

Quote: Too many foreigners competing for our universities drives up the fees for ordinary Australians. … The problem is not that the Indian students are causing trouble, it is the racists who are causing trouble, and unfortunately for us, they are home, which shows what an offensively stupid statement Grendel made, and you supported.

It is quite possible the racists stamp could be simple overreaction and smart play of our political correctness.

But on the other hand I would love to have no criminal activity in Australia.
Here some heavy punishment, irrespective of age would be smart move.

Happy wrote on Jun 4^th, 2009 at 10:39am:

mozzaok wrote on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 10:20pm: Quote: Too many foreigners competing for our universities drives up the fees for ordinary Australians. … The problem is not that the Indian students are causing trouble, it is the racists who are causing trouble, and unfortunately for us, they are home, which shows what an offensively stupid statement Grendel made, and you supported. It is quite possible the racists stamp could be simple overreaction and smart play of our political correctness. But on the other hand I would love to have no criminal activity in Australia. Here some heavy punishment, irrespective of age would be smart move.

Are you Asian happy?
Not that there is anything wrong with that, I'm just curious what you think from that perspective.

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You could not be more wrong on this point Ammad, the exact opposite is true. The high fees being paid by foreign students support the universities, allowing them to have much lower fees for aussie students. My wife is a university teacher.

Has your wife given you a head massage lately Mozz? Because I think she secretly drilled some holes in your head and massaged your brain.

Your coming from a purely capitalistic viewpoint. Yes the costs should come down if there are enough universities  to compete with the exisiting facilities; I don't see this happening.
If places are limited, the cost goes up - that's just simple economics.

This is the problem when every base requirement of a society is privatised, the society itself becomes worthless and profit becomes God.
The cost for a student these days probably counts for the largest loan they will ever make next to a home loan. Most average aussies just can't afford it anymore and many women are prostituting themselves for an education.

We are now so reliant on input from overseas students that the only possible result is that it will continue to get harder for Australian students.


JENNY MACKLIN: We want Australian students to be treated better than international students. Overseas students' parents aren't here paying taxes, the students aren't going to stay in Australia and contribute to our country. They should pay full fees. Labor does not want to see Australian undergraduates paying $100,000 to go to university.
http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2004/s1197307.htm


"At Sydney University, Australian fee-paying applicants are up by 21 per cent.

But union representatives say there is a growing division between full-fee students, who are able to enter university courses using a lower university admission index rank as long as they have the funds to pay, and those who gained entry by academic ability alone."
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/big-rise-in-fullfee-students/2007/01/06/1167777325490.html


The Guardian January 29, 2003
Uni students battle rising fees

by Peter Mac

Australian students face rising academic fees. This year student debt will
probably soar by almost $1 billion to $9.057 billion. The Department of
Education, Science and Training (DEST) predicts the debt will grow by $2.5
billion by 2006.....

http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve03/1123fees.html

So what is their debt now I wonder?
They'll be slaves for the rest of their lives trying to pay for a right that our forefathers once fought for.i

Amadd wrote on Jun 4^th, 2009 at 11:18am:

… JENNY MACKLIN: We want Australian students to be treated better than international students. Overseas students' parents aren't here paying taxes, the students aren't going to stay in Australia and contribute to our country. They should pay full fees. Labor does not want to see Australian undergraduates paying $100,000 to go to university. http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2004/s1197307.htm …

Looking at the number of Pakistani and Indian GPs and doctors in Australia, somehow I think this statement is partially incorrect.
Obviously I can be incorrect too, as this is only my impression.

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Looking at the number of Pakistani and Indian GPs and doctors in Australia, somehow I think this statement is partially incorrect. Obviously I can be incorrect too, as this is only my impression.

It just shows how much we are prepared to whore our nation.
Whether they've completed their schooling here or abroad, the fact is that we're not getting enough of our own through universities to cater for our own requirements.

Amadd wrote on Jun 4^th, 2009 at 11:41am:

It just shows how much we are prepared to whore our nation. Whether they've completed their schooling here or abroad, the fact is that we're not getting enough of our own through universities to cater for our own requirements.

I am afraid that besides financial side of studies past “free uni era”; partial blame can be put on local kids not that interested in difficult studies.

Somehow “have it all generations” seem to have dropped the zest for life aimed at academic achievement and replaced it with zest for getting out of mind experiences using all sort of special aides.

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I must also admit to be disappointed to see you support Grendels idiotic statement of , "if they don't like it go home", as if they should be expected to like being racially vilified, and subjected to physical assaults and robberies. The problem is not that the Indian students are causing trouble, it is the racists who are causing trouble, and unfortunately for us, they are home, which shows what an offensively stupid statement Grendel made, and you supported.

Yes I must be supporting Grendel because I have a long history of doing that don't I?  ;D

This racism garbage is a real sickness in western media and politics.
What we're really doing is sacrificing ourselves for the furtherment of others.

How about our governments stop attacking poor defensless nations? Aren't they being racist?
And why don't they get off Kim Jong Sick's back those racist pricks?

So why should I want to put up with these spoiled brats holding up our CBD for 20 hours where not even our unions would get away with it?
This type of inequity actually fuels racial tensions.
They may be used to being treated like royalty back home, but here they are Joe average.

We should be promoting our universities, overseas, we should be aiming to be the provider of choice, for a top class education for the whole asian region.

We need to develop as more than a bloody quarry for the asian region, by providing world's best education services, that people are willing to pay for.

The more money they make from international students, the better able they will be to provide those same, world's best services to aussies, and we will be developing a vital industry for our future that does not include selling off our assets, but by selling a great product that we have developed.

Building up our credentials in this area is important, and how we treat these "customers" who use our "business" should be important to all aussies who do not want us to forever be reliant on minerals for earning income for our nation.

So I think it is in all our interests to learn to put down racist sentiments when we hear them, and recognise that we are part of a larger region, and need to develop and promote respectful attitudes, and relationships with all the people of our region.

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I am afraid that besides financial side of studies past “free uni era”; partial blame can be put on local kids not that interested in difficult studies. Somehow “have it all generations” seem to have dropped the zest for life aimed at academic achievement and replaced it with zest for getting out of mind experiences using all sort of special aides.

Of course they're going to experiment with all types of things Happy, but the fact is, there is still a mass shortage of available and affordable university places for Australians. There is more of a demand for further education than at any other time in this country's history.

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We need to develop as more than a bloody quarry for the asian region, by providing world's best education services, that people are willing to pay for. The more money they make from international students, the better able they will be to provide those same, world's best services to aussies, and we will be developing a vital industry for our future that does not include selling off our assets, but by selling a great product that we have developed.

That's fine as long our own citizens can have affordable education, otherwise what are we doing? ..Yes thats right, we're selling off our assets.

You must have missed the bit where I wrote that I thought their protest was idiotic, and counter productive Ammad?

Just one more sick thing about racism is it's ability to try and justify the unjustifiable, to say that if these Indians don't like it here, they should go home, is grossly offensive, as well as inordinately stupid, because it carries the message that these indian students should be accepting of any behaviour they are subjected to without complaint, or just p1ss off home.
It totally ignores the fact that they are concerned for their health and safety, because we do have some criminal, moronic, racist, scum, who are targeting these students for attack, and that is unacceptable by any standard of decency.

If people do not get the message that racism is wrong, and totally unacceptable, then we will just see more racists in our society, not less, which is what we should be trying to achieve.

That is why we should always be vigilant to teach our kids that racism is wrong, rather than exposing them to a society where too many choose to unjustly blame people from other cultures for problems they face.

When we address issues with other cultures they should be dealt with on the actual merit of the behaviour, and not just used to try and stereotype whole cultures as being one thing or another, because all cultures are made up of individuals, and all individuals deserve the chance to be respected, until they do something to lose that.

Even then, if they do display behaviour that is unacceptable, target the group that is displaying the bad behaviour, but do not unfairly include all the others who may share their cultural heritage, that are not a part of the bad behaviour.

Just think how we felt about that idiot Sol Trujillo, labelling Australia as a racist nation, which was a stupid racist comment to make, we certainly have some racists whose behaviour we do not like, but generally we are a generous and open nation, and we should be proud of that, and continue to improve that by openly, and forcibly letting all people know, that racism is not acceptable in "OUR" culture.

We will do that by not being racist, and not tolerating racist behaviour, to stop being racist, and trying to justify it by saying other countries are racist too.
We are not responsible for them, we are responsible for ourselves, and it is up to all of us to make those changes in ourselves, and in our homes and in our communities, by never accepting racism as anything but wrong, and never acceptable.

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It totally ignores the fact that they are concerned for their health and safety, because we do have some criminal, moronic, racist, scum, who are targeting these students for attack, and that is unacceptable by any standard of decency.

Can you name one attacker, their racial identity, and their motive for the attack?

Just one.

mozzaok wrote on Jun 4^th, 2009 at 12:53pm:

… Just think how we felt about that idiot Sol Trujillo, labelling Australia as a racist nation, which was a stupid racist comment to make, we certainly have some racists whose behaviour we do not like, but generally we are a generous and open nation, and we should be proud of that, and continue to improve that by openly, and forcibly letting all people know, that racism is not acceptable in "OUR" culture. We will do that by not being racist, and not tolerating racist behaviour, to stop being racist, and trying to justify it by saying other countries are racist too. We are not responsible for them, we are responsible for ourselves, and it is up to all of us to make those changes in ourselves, and in our homes and in our communities, by never accepting racism as anything but wrong, and never acceptable.

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But I must say that I have my doubt about truth in this statement.

Currently we have preferential treatment of the Race of those who came to Australia 30,000 years ago.

Children get “shoe money” just for appearing at school
Teachers have higher rate of pay just based on race.
They can secure special low interest loan.
And on and on and on…

Yes it was not always that way, but talking that racism in not acceptable in Australia NOW with this preferential treatment irrespective of reason is blatant sorry lie.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/04/2588943.htm?section=justin 'SHOCKING' STABBING STATISTICS IN ALICE 4 Jun. 09 A Senate Committee has heard fresh evidence of Central Australia's high stabbing rates. Alice Springs' high stabbing rates saw the town dubbed "the stabbing capital of the world" two years ago. Things have improved, but the Senate Select Committee on Men's Health wants medical trauma treatment reformed in Central Australia. It has heard evidence that the Alice Springs Hospital treats two and a half times the number of stabbing cases as Sydney's Royal Prince Alfred each year. The committee's report notes the "shocking statistic" and calls for improved trauma treatment in Central Australia. The Royal Australasian College of Surgeons told the committee that violence and road crashes create a 25 per cent gap between the health of Aboriginal people and other Australians.

Partially on topic.

Are there any universities in Alice Springs?

Were those stabbings involving aborigines Happy? If so, it's called "indigenous unrest".
If an Indian or other asian gets stabbed it's called a "racial attack", if a white person gets stabbed, it's merely called a crime.


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Can you name one attacker, their racial identity, and their motive for the attack? Just one.

I was wondering about this too. I suppose that part is just left to the imagination.
And I suppose some nations imagine us to be a people that runs around with Crocodile Dundee knives dodging kangaroos and slashing foreigners.

One thing that amazes me is the level of hypocrisy that Indian students display in Australia.
As we know India is the most racist country in the world with the official racism that has existed for centuries among its own populus.  The name of that for official racism is the Caste system in India that produces incredible humiliation and exploitation of the people. Due to their higher economical status, the members of upper caste, for example, can afford to have several slaves from lower caste and to send their children to study to Australia.  
Now my question is: How those who commit the biggest racism in  the world have moral right to complain about someone else prejudice behaviour?  

India might be a racist country - but we are supposed to set a better example for some reason. If we invite people to this country - they deserve to feel safe.

This incident has brought to our attention the fudging of crime statistics in Victoria, in a similar way to the recent findings of cover-ups in NSW of racist attacks that have just been ignored, but no doubt it's still ongoing.

Racist attacks have been under-represented & hidden from the public for many years so the States can boast about the great job they're doing in crime prevention.

It's not just white against black - it's ethnics against ethnics, obviously showing that multiculturalism is a hidden, simmering brew ready to explode at any time.

The Indians did the right thing by bringing this out into the open.

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Racist attacks have been under-represented & hidden from the public for many years so the States can boast about the great job they're doing in crime prevention.

No it's all attacks. Police are thoroughly disinterested in all assaults other than sexual assaults if you are a woman, or assaults on police. Anyone else, and they couldn't care less. There are very very few truly racist attacks, other than Muslims attacking the 'kuffar'. Robbery perps will say whatever they need to, to get power over their victim - white c_nt, black c_nt, whatever - they don't care.

But KKK style beatings really are not part of Australian life, not even marginally - it just makes for a good headline.

They are just carrying on over there like that Indian Idiot who used to be on Cracker,

mantra wrote on Jun 5^th, 2009 at 1:16pm:

India might be a racist country - but we are supposed to set a better example for some reason. If we invite people to this country - they deserve to feel safe. This incident has brought to our attention the fudging of crime statistics in Victoria, in a similar way to the recent findings of cover-ups in NSW of racist attacks that have just been ignored, but no doubt it's still ongoing. Racist attacks have been under-represented & hidden from the public for many years so the States can boast about the great job they're doing in crime prevention. It's not just white against black - it's ethnics against ethnics, obviously showing that multiculturalism is a hidden, simmering brew ready to explode at any time. The Indians did the right thing by bringing this out into the open.

Mantra I have to say you are right.

Grendel wrote on Jun 5^th, 2009 at 2:53pm:

They are just carrying on over there like that Indian Idiot who used to be on Cracker,

Are you talking about Sanjay (was that his name)? He was one of the most polite members there and very brave when facing the onslaught from you, DT and Sprintcyclist.

It's a pity he didn't find his way over here, but Indians, as well as anyone else who believes they are being persecuted or vilified has the right to demand something be done about it. If it means ruffling a few feathers - too bad. Most of us haven't got the guts to take a stand against the government or its services.

Ah no...

BTW Sanjay might have been polite to you...  but...

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We are probably not the least racist country in the world, but we surely would be better than very many, and we are improving.

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The thing about this particular brand of racism, is that it is not sytemic, but rather random attacks by individual dickheads, who have xenophobic tendencies, because of their ignorance, and social situation, which makes the Indian's protests pretty meaningless, as far as achieving any positive outcomes, and downright inflammatory in drawing more attention onto them from the idiot racists we do suffer.

Who are the attackers?  What ethnicity?

(Might have been asked before, but arsed if I am going to read it all.)

mantra wrote on Jun 5^th, 2009 at 1:16pm:

India might be a racist country - but we are supposed to set a better example for some reason.

On account of our superority - don't beat about the bush.


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They are not invited, they are allowed in, on application.


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This incident has brought to our attention the fudging of crime statistics in Victoria, in a similar way to the recent findings of cover-ups in NSW of racist attacks that have just been ignored, but no doubt it's still ongoing. Racist attacks have been under-represented & hidden from the public for many years so the States can boast about the great job they're doing in crime prevention. It's not just white against black - it's ethnics against ethnics, obviously showing that multiculturalism is a hidden, simmering brew ready to explode at any time.

There is a whole bag of paradoxes highlighted by what you say:

- Western civilisation is superior - more is expected from it than from some 'developing' people (wogs and efnics)
- western civilisation is guilty of lookng down on other, lesser people, so wogs and efnics are victims of whtey's racism
- Whitey has a large lumpen underclass of layabouts and no-hopers who have nothing to do but slash passers-by for a fag and a few dollars and a laugh
- If these lumpen losers attach other whiteys, they are social victims of capitalism/Howard/oppression/what-have-you
- If they attack tinted people, they are racist rednecks
- Tinted people, wogs and efnics of some origins are responsible for an unproportonately large number of violent acts and they just do not fit in with western civilsation - except with its lumpen, no-hoper underclass
- So wogs and efnics have a large lumpen underclass of layabouts and no-hopers who may or may not be even more violent than whitey bludgers
- but because they are wogs and efnic (looked down on) we must pretend that it is whitey's fault if and when the inferior races are behaving badly, on account of their supposed 'exclusion'
- All the efnics and wogs from the oppressed post-colonial world are dying to come to cuddle up to and be accepted by what is really a racist, exclusionist, superior Australia (whose guilt has made it introduce nondiscriminatory immigraton policy) but they feel unwelcome by the redneck whitey, I mean, social victim underlass.


And it's all the fault of that nerdy white accountant with wife, kids and mortgage. Everybody else's responsibilites are cancelled out by some victimhood claim.

The simple truth is that some criminals are targeting some ethnic groups, because these criminals have identified them as soft targets.

Now the over riding motivation is theft, and we can pretty safely assume that many of these attacks will be by drug addicts who just want money.

Now as far as the racist element comes to bear in associating with these attacks, it is up for interpretation, and while some attacks have been just outright racist assaults, motivated by racial hatred, the majority are thefts, motivated by the desire for easy money, and unfortunately Indian students have been identified by these criminals as a good target, because they usually have money on them, and they are seen as being unlikely to offer much resistance.

It is hard to know what the answer is, except for the obvious step of changing how we treat drugs and drug addicts in our society, because we all know that the majority of small scale property crimes are committed by addicts who need money for drugs, and we could pretty much stop that immediately, by supplying addicts with free drugs, and better rehabilitation treatment programs.

Unfortunately we know also, that no government will ever have the guts to take such a sensible step, so we must then consider how best to support our police, in reducing these robberies, which are not restricted to just Indians, but is more police the answer?
We hear a bit about Zero Tolerance being effective in New York, and perhaps we could try something like that here.

As far as the scumbag racists go, well they are just the same moronic minority that many societies are plagued with, and we just have to keep sending out the message to the, that they are scum, and racism is dumb, and only idiots are racist.

Soren wrote on Jun 5^th, 2009 at 9:41pm:

- Western civilisation is superior - more is expected from it than from some 'developing' people (wogs and efnics) - western civilisation is guilty of lookng down on other, lesser people, so wogs and efnics are victims of whtey's racism - Whitey has a large lumpen underclass of layabouts and no-hopers who have nothing to do but slash passers-by for a fag and a few dollars and a laugh - If these lumpen losers attach other whiteys, they are social victims of capitalism/Howard/oppression/what-have-you - If they attack tinted people, they are racist rednecks - Tinted people, wogs and efnics of some origins are responsible for an unproportonately large number of violent acts and they just do not fit in with western civilsation - except with its lumpen, no-hoper underclass - So wogs and efnics have a large lumpen underclass of layabouts and no-hopers who may or may not be even more violent than whitey bludgers - but because they are wogs and efnic (looked down on) we must pretend that it is whitey's fault if and when the inferior races are behaving badly, on account of their supposed 'exclusion' - All the efnics and wogs from the oppressed post-colonial world are dying to come to cuddle up to and be accepted by what is really a racist, exclusionist, superior Australia (whose guilt has made it introduce nondiscriminatory immigraton policy) but they feel unwelcome by the redneck whitey, I mean, social victim underlass. And it's all the fault of that nerdy white accountant with wife, kids and mortgage. Everybody else's responsibilites are cancelled out by some victimhood claim.

Very succinctly put Soren, although I wouldn't have used your terminology.  ::)


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Ah no... BTW Sanjay might have been polite to you...  but...

That's right - he was very rude to you Grendel, but of course you wouldn't have given him any reason to be ....

Ah mantra...  I give as good as I get...  he started it and he slandered quite a few people and lied about a few others.  CONTINUOUSLY.

i CANT REMEMBER THE OTHER iNDIAN GUY BUT HE HAD A BIG FAT HEAD AND WAS TRYING TO CRACK ONTO oGLY ALL THE TIME.

He was also rabidly anti-Howard and a wanker.

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Ah mantra...  I give as good as I get...  he started it and he slandered quite a few people and lied about a few others.  CONTINUOUSLY

;D ;D

I don't think he liked your multicultural stance.

I can't remember his name either - but you always called him some rude nick - poo or boo or something. Yes he did have a thing for Oceans - lucky her.  :D

Poo boy maybe... ? hmmm what was his name?
Now he was an idiot.

Hmmm...  poo boo is starting to sound very familiar.

Grendel wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2009 at 8:26pm:

Look... lets cut to the chase. Anyone who doesn't like it here...  CAN GO BACK HOME!!!!!

Agreed.
Though i think it is absolute BS how those spots in our uni's are taken by these curry munchers and other gooks when people who were born here miss out on a place because of that system.
Aussie universities should be for Australians only.

What system?

Further, if Aussies can't pay and some other bugger can, then the other bugger gets the spot.

The Uni needs the money.

Within the borders of Australia... places at Australian Universities should first go to Australians.

Those that cannot afford to pay and have shown ability should be afforded  grants or scholarships.

After all we won't solve our skills shortages by educating foreigners.

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Those that cannot afford to pay and have shown ability should be afforded  grants or scholarships. After all we won't solve our skills shortages by educating foreigners.

Education is a business, Beowulf.

The Whitlam days are gone.

We need these overseas students who pay to keep our Universites open so that, as a sideline, they can educate our kids.

As I type, there are at least 40 Chinese Students attending my local High School.  They pay to be there, and their money props up the cash drawer of our Education system.

DILLIGAF wrote on Jun 6^th, 2009 at 3:13pm:

Aussie universities should be for Australians only.

The closing of the Australian mind...

So if your daughter wanted to go to, say, Manchester Uni, they should say, 'English unis for the Englsh onliy'.

One thing about the life of the mind (which higher ed is supposed to foster) is that it is not bound by national boundaries. Since medieval times, the mobility of university students has been an essential element of universal (university, geddit?) education.

It is a different argument to say that most courses taught at universities here and overseas are really vocational training courses. But then again, even vocatonal skills and training are not nation-specific.

Overseas students here pay a full price and some extra. They do not take up places that would be otherwise available to local students funded by the Government. If you removed every single overseas student, you would have not one extra Australian kid going to uni. Not one.

We've had grants ans scholarships public and private under every government.  Whitlam has nothing to do with it.

Education isn't a business even though some would like to make it so.
I have no qualms about places like Bond University being run as such...  but places of learning and excellence are not the sole domain of business and never should be.

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They do not take up places that would be otherwise available to local students funded by the Government. If you removed every single overseas students, you would have not one extra Australian kid going to uni. Not one.

That's not the point soren. The point is that the only thing worse than having foreigners in our country is foreigners who are better educated than us!! That's what your right winged neo-nazi cohort is getting at. He couldn't care less if more whites are uni-educated, just as long as they don't have to be looked down upon by better educated 'curries'.

Stiill sick I see Abu.
You are one sad individual.

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That's not the point soren. The point is that the only thing worse than having foreigners in our country is foreigners who are better educated than us!! That's what your right winged neo-nazi cohort is getting at. He couldn't care less if more whites are uni-educated, just as long as they don't have to be looked down upon by better educated 'curries'.

The point is that a lot Indians are very annoying individuals.
They come to your door with their blatant lies in order to get their sale, they call  people with fake Australian accents at meal times, they rort the system and take Australian jobs, they get away with shutting down Melbourne's CBD, and I still believe that they take uni spots which should be given to the families of tax paying Australians.
Would it be called racist if they were treated better than the average Australian because pleased people?
If there is a source of resentment, maybe should be looking at themselves first instead of obsessive finger pointing.

Their law breaking rally which resulted in no charges being laid despite a policeman being bitten has only exasperated resentment against the upstart Indians.


Prominent Indian activist opposes protest rally in Sydney

Melbourne:

A prominent Sydney-based Indian activist has advised members of the community against attending a proposed rally in the city to protest attacks on Indians in Melbourne, warning that the effort might backfire.

Calling the proposed rally as an "entirely futile" idea, Yadu Singh said he feared it might cause inconvenience to people and backfire on the Indian community....

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Prominent-Indian-activist-opposes-protest-rally-in-Sydney/472425

Well I saw and heard them on the news tonight and now I'm wondering if there are any slow boats to india we can put them on.

They've made their country what it is today through their ideas of lies and deceit as a pathway to success. They required no help from the colour of their skin to achieve this degrading rabble of a society that they live in , so I wonder why so many people think that skin colour is a reason for resentment now?
Australians generally believe in a fair go, but having seen what they have to offer, it's little wonder that their country is the way that it is.
Who'd want that here?

Amadd wrote on Jun 7^th, 2009 at 10:50pm:

They've made their country what it is today through their ideas of lies and deceit as a pathway to success.

No, that was how the British wormed their way into India to rule... By deceit and lies in aid of exploiting division in order to conquer.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 7^th, 2009 at 11:04pm:

Amadd wrote on Jun 7th, 2009 at 10:50pm: They've made their country what it is today through their ideas of lies and deceit as a pathway to success. No, that was how the British wormed their way into India to rule... By deceit and lies in aid of exploiting division in order to conquer.

Like so many other countries, they'd be far better off as part of the British empire.
Do you think that any other iron fist rule (like Islam) would've let Gandhi's tactics succeed?
They would've been exterminated like flies without the presence of a moral conscience.
And yet, the soft pommes still let them into their country to leech the spoils of British society's hard work.

Amadd wrote on Jun 7^th, 2009 at 11:33pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 7th, 2009 at 11:04pm: Amadd wrote on Jun 7th, 2009 at 10:50pm: They've made their country what it is today through their ideas of lies and deceit as a pathway to success. No, that was how the British wormed their way into India to rule... By deceit and lies in aid of exploiting division in order to conquer. Like so many other countries, they'd be far better off as part of the British empire. Do you think that any other iron fist rule (like Islam) would've let Gandhi's tactics succeed? They would've been exterminated like flies without the presence of a moral conscience. And yet, the soft pommes still let them into their country to leech the spoils of British society's hard work.

Make no mistake, if the British hadn't been virtually bankrupted by WW2, they wouldn't have handed the country to a skinny old man in a sheet, they'd have tried to mow down any resistance to their rule... But it wouldn't have looked too bloody good having just helped defeat a marauding European tyrant to then use the same tactics to continue to subjugate a nation of hundreds of millions.

As for letting them into their country... Well, those Indians were British citizens... Price of empire.

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As for letting them into their country... Well, those Indians were British citizens... Price of empire.

There wasn't a large number of Indians in Britain at that time, and discounting the fact that those that were there should've been promptly kicked out, they should've left on their own accord if they had the slightest respect for their homeland and it's people. But they didn't, because they were parasites.
And the next filthy pig that entrudes upon my property with the intent of lying to me will be attacked with a barrage of fists.

Amadd wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 12:00am:

Quote: As for letting them into their country... Well, those Indians were British citizens... Price of empire. There wasn't a large number of Indians in Britain at that time, and discounting the fact that those that were there should've been promptly kicked out, they should've left on their own accord if they had the slightest respect for their homeland and it's people. But they didn't, because they were parasites. And the next filthy pig that entrudes upon my property with the intent of lying to me will be attacked with a barrage of fists.

Yes, displacing British citizens due to race... Not a good look while you're sitting around the camp fire planning out a new world order... And after Hitler had just done the same thing and worse... real bad look.

There were hundreds of thousands of ethnic Indians and Anglo-Indians living in India who held British passports and had every legal right to reside in Britain.

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There were hundreds of thousands of ethnic Indians and Anglo-Indians living in India who held British passports and had every legal right to reside in Britain.

;D Well does it not make their passports null and void when they are no longer part of the British Empire?

Amadd wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 12:18am:

Quote: There were hundreds of thousands of ethnic Indians and Anglo-Indians living in India who held British passports and had every legal right to reside in Britain. ;D Well does it not make their passports null and void when they are no longer part of the British Empire?

No. At least not for the first few decades after the end of the Raj. But I believe they changed the law in the mid 80s.

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No. At least not for the first few decades after the end of the Raj. But I believe they changed the law in the mid 80s.

Well how soft is that by the British?
I suppose the rats all jumped off the sinking ship during that period then hey?

Amadd wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 12:48am:

Quote: No. At least not for the first few decades after the end of the Raj. But I believe they changed the law in the mid 80s. Well how soft is that by the British? I suppose the rats all jumped off the sinking ship during that period then hey?

Price of Empire.

Rats? A relevant term, given the ones who weren't wanted in India were the collaborators with the Imperialists... which included all Anglo-Indians and thousands of ethnic Indians.

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Price of Empire. Rats? A relevant term, given the ones who weren't wanted in India were the collaborators with the Imperialists... which included all Anglo-Indians and thousands of ethnic Indians.

So those who immigrated to Britain were all collaborators. Is that what you're saying? I'm sure I could prove you very wrong there.

Amadd wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 1:09am:

Quote: Price of Empire. Rats? A relevant term, given the ones who weren't wanted in India were the collaborators with the Imperialists... which included all Anglo-Indians and thousands of ethnic Indians. So those who immigrated to Britain were all collaborators. Is that what you're saying? I'm sure I could prove you very wrong there.

All Anglo-Indians had a right to British citizenship by birth. Thousands of ethnic Indians were granted British citizenship during the Raj. Those were the ones who got all the jobs as public servants... a respected vocation then and now in India. After independence, Indians wanted to exhibit their national pride and life for those who served the old masters got a lot harder, which is understandable given it was they who got preference over ordinary Indians for jobs and status in whatever industry the British had influence. The ones who could get out easy, got out fast. Not because they hated India necessarily but because their prospects were narrowing fast.

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All Anglo-Indians had a right to British citizenship by birth.

You see? Most other nations would see that right as being null and void after independence. I certainly would.


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After independence, Indians wanted to exhibit their national pride and life for those who served the old masters got a lot harder, which is understandable given it was they who got preference over ordinary Indians for jobs and status in whatever industry the British had influence. The ones who could get out easy, got out fast. Not because they hated India necessarily but because their prospects were narrowing fast.

Just like I said, rats jumping off the sinking ship.
The pea hearts should've stayed to honour what they were supposebly fighting for. But the sad truth is, that the nature of the beast is not very conducive to a successful society.

Amadd wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 10:50am:

Quote: All Anglo-Indians had a right to British citizenship by birth. You see? Most other nations would see that right as being null and void after independence. I certainly would.

Having a parent as a British citizen (and in many cases ethnically British), they inherited their citizenship from their mother or (more usually) their father.  


Amadd wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 10:50am:

Quote: After independence, Indians wanted to exhibit their national pride and life for those who served the old masters got a lot harder, which is understandable given it was they who got preference over ordinary Indians for jobs and status in whatever industry the British had influence. The ones who could get out easy, got out fast. Not because they hated India necessarily but because their prospects were narrowing fast. Just like I said, rats jumping off the sinking ship. The pea hearts should've stayed to honour what they were supposebly fighting for. But the sad truth is, that the nature of the beast is not very conducive to a successful society.

The ones who left were not fighting for independence. They were doing well with the way things were... They collaborated with the British... Why would they want the British gone?

There's a difference between "collaborating" and "working with".
Surprise surprise, those who worked with the British tended to do better.
I don't believe that Indians deserved inherited citizenship in any way shape or form after independence. And that's nothing to do with race.
The same would apply to New Zealanders and Australia.
The same would apply to the Americans who gained independence from the British.

Amadd wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 1:46pm:

There's a difference between "collaborating" and "working with". Surprise surprise, those who worked with the British tended to do better. I don't believe that Indians deserved inherited citizenship in any way shape or form after independence. And that's nothing to do with race. The same would apply to New Zealanders and Australia. The same would apply to the Americans who gained independence from the British.

'Working with' is a synonym of collaborating - although a euphemistic one. If you work with a regime, you collaborate with it.


Amadd wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 1:46pm:

I don't believe that Indians deserved inherited citizenship in any way shape or form after independence. And that's nothing to do with race.

Well, that's what happened. Probably the British didn't want to get into a stouch with the Nehru Government over what to do with all the collaborators who were seen as unpatriotic. Given the British created them and encouraged them by giving them money, status and power to remain loyal to the crown, I guess they didn't have much choice but to take them on.

You'll probably find that many British loyalists left the American colonies for Britain after the revolution.

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Given the British created them and encouraged them by giving them money, status and power to remain loyal to the crown, I guess they didn't have much choice but to take them on.

Ah yes, the Bristish invented the caste system and thus was born one of the most disciminatory peoples on the face of the earth.

As a matter of fact, the Indians that we have here often have servants back home. They want to be treated better than the average Australian, not the same.

"Discrimination based on caste is prevalent mainly in parts of Asia (India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Japan) and Africa. UNICEF estimates that discrimination based on caste affects 250 million people worldwide."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste

Amadd wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 5:13pm:

Quote: Given the British created them and encouraged them by giving them money, status and power to remain loyal to the crown, I guess they didn't have much choice but to take them on. Ah yes, the Bristish invented the caste system and thus was born one of the most disciminatory peoples on the face of the earth.

No, the British created a class of people who were loyal to the crown to run the country in the name of the crown. They discouraged them from identifying with Indians. Divide and rule.

;D Seems to me that they were already very divided. And they still are.

Amadd wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 5:51pm:

;D Seems to me that they were already very divided. And they still are.

True. It was more like exploit the division and rule.

And you wonder why we don't want that here  ::)

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http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Prominent-Indian-activist-opposes-protest-rally-in-Sydney/472425 Singh, who said he has received several calls to attend the rally in Sydney on Saturday apparently being organised by members of the Indian community in the city, expressed his opposition to it. "Nobody knows who the organisers are, even the police command does not know," he said. Hundreds of Indians, mostly students, had earlier this week organised a massive rally in Melbourne to protest the recent spate of attacks on Indians in Australia.

That’s almost funny, I thought that rallies have to be approved to be legal.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/09/2592953.htm?section=justin From ABC, 9 Jun. 09 POLICE DENY INDIAN ATTACKS RACIST Police have played down reports of racial violence in western Sydney, where up to 200 Indian nationals have rallied in response to attacks on two students. Two men in their 20s were assaulted in separate incidents about 9pm in Harris Park last night. The offenders were described as Middle Eastern in appearance. The victims suffered minor injuries and did not press charges, but the incident sparked a protest by Indian nationals in Parramatta, which culminated in three men of Middle Eastern appearance being assaulted. The Superintendent of the Parramatta Local Command, Robert Redfern, says the attacks on the Indian men were opportunistic, not racially motivated. "There is no suggestion, as I say, that these incidents last night were racially motivated," he said. "Certainly it would appear to us that they are opportunistic and this is an area of Harris Park where there is a very large Indian community, but we have been in communication with the Indian community for a very long time in this area. "They are young people, often students, often working the sort of jobs that students work when they're young - late at night or early in the morning - so they're at risk of being assaulted opportunistically in the early hours of the morning or very late at night." But the protesters say the attacks are becoming more frequent and police are not doing enough to stop them. "I never come back home at night time," student Ajay Kumar told AM. "If I finish my work, I stay there. Why? Because I know if I come back, someone [will] smash me, someone [will] take my money. I know. Because I'm not safe here. Because Australian police are s***." A spokesman for the NSW Lebanese Community Council, Elie Nassif, says any individuals making trouble should be dealt with by police as a criminal matter. However, Mr Nassif says there has been tension in the local area between a small section of the Lebanese and Indian communities which needs to be addressed. "Whether we like it or not it is happening, but as community leaders we should work together to wipe all this [out]," Mr Nassif said. Meanwhile, police say they are disappointed two Indian men who were attacked do not want to lay charges. The Deputy Commissioner Dave Owens has urged locals not to resort to violence, and to report all assaults to police. "There are a number of myths and misconceptions amongst certain community groups that if they come forward and report a crime we're interested in whether they are working more hours than what their visa entitles them to," he said. "What I'm saying is that's not what we're interested in. We're interested in locking up offenders who break the law." Police say they will have extra officers on patrol in Sydney's west after the violence. Federal Education Minister Julia Gillard says Australia is a safe destination for international students, despite the recent attacks on Indian students. "It's a country that's welcomed international students," she said. "It's a country that when international students leave it and we ask how they've experienced it, overwhelmingly they say they've had a positive experience in Australia with the Australian people and in our Australian educational institutions. "But to the extent that we see any international student hurt or at risk, we obviously want to make a difference."

Looks that even Police thinks that they were just attacks and robberies and victim from India was just a coincidence.

Best if all attacks could be prevented, every race in Australia would benefit from that.

Go multiculturalism...  Arabs and Indians beating each other up in Sydney.

They aint AUSTRALIANS...

Brutal truth about attacks

   * Paul Sheehan
   * June 10, 2009

ANOTHER bashing of an Indian student, another angry demonstration by fed-up Indian residents, another brick in the wall of the misconception that Indians in this country have become the frequent victims of violent white racism.

This misconception has hardened into belief in India, where widespread media coverage of the attacks has played on old sensitivities about the treatment of Indians by whites and white Australia.

The perception is wrong. Indian students are being attacked in Australia, with at least 100 incidents in Melbourne and Sydney during the past year. The violence is undeniable, the targeting of Indians is undeniable, and the problem is unacceptable and embarrassing.

But the distorted story of white racism has been helped along by the prevailing sensibilities of reporting of crime in Australia, with skittishness about detailing the gritty reality that most violent street crime in Sydney and Melbourne is not committed by whites. The prison populations confirm this.

The attacks on Indians have followed this pattern, with the crimes committed by a polyglot mix reflecting the streets - white, Asian, Middle Eastern, Aboriginal, Pacific Islander.

The most recent attacks, in Harris Park this week, allegedly involved assailants of the proverbial "Middle Eastern appearance". The assault on Monday night was followed by a retaliatory attack by a big group of Indians. Police said three men "of Middle Eastern appearance" were set upon in Harris Park after about 200 Indian men converged on the street after hearing of the latest attack. In Melbourne, an assault on an Indian student on a train was recorded on video and footage depicting the attack was posted on YouTube. The video shows a swarm of young men robbing and repeatedly attacking the student. Most of them do not appear to be white.

A recent assault on an Indian student in Glebe was committed by a young offender described as Aboriginal. Sydney University is bounded on the east and west by Glebe and Redfern and both have crime hot spots involving Aboriginal communities.

Another recent assault on an Indian student, by a knife-wielding assailant in Port Melbourne, involved three attackers identified as Caucasian.

The ethnicity of the attackers thus varies from crime to crime. The police are telling the truth when they describe the attacks as largely motivated by opportunism, because Indian students work late at night, live in lower-cost neighbourhoods, and are regarded as soft targets.

It is also true that Indians have been targeted, hence the demonstration by about 1000 Indian students in Melbourne 10 days ago, and this week's eruption by hundreds of Indian men in Harris Park, which has Sydney's largest concentration of Indian residents. The suburb has experienced a spate of attacks on Indians in recent months.

Yes it looks as though basically it's ethnics attacking ethnics. There was an incident a couple of days ago when a group of Asians attacked and stabbed a Muslim school boy.

I don't think we can pretend anymore that multiculturalism is working. We were taught tolerance, but the new Australians haven't been taught the same.

It's getting pretty bad when a foreign government steps in and demands Australia do something about these racist attacks against their people - but our government is powerless. They have to follow another agenda. It's no coincidence that the EU, the US and Australia all introduced multiculturalism 3 decades ago.

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I don't think we can pretend anymore that multiculturalism is working. We were taught tolerance, but the new Australians haven't been taught the same.

No they have been taught that 'tolerance' means they are immune from ALL criticism. By people like your good self, and they still are, because any criticism of an ethnic group who gathers together to commit crime is racism. So people are dying because we would rather not 'offend' anyone than deal with the real problems and issues.

Whatever happened in Melbourne, in Sydney, its muslims attacking Indians. Fortunately, most of the Indians here know this. Its just India itself doesnt.

mantra wrote on Jun 10^th, 2009 at 3:21am:

Yes it looks as though basically it's ethnics attacking ethnics. There was an incident a couple of days ago when a group of Asians attacked and stabbed a Muslim school boy. I don't think we can pretend anymore that multiculturalism is working. We were taught tolerance, but the new Australians haven't been taught the same. It's getting pretty bad when a foreign government steps in and demands Australia do something about these racist attacks against their people - but our government is powerless. They have to follow another agenda. It's no coincidence that the EU, the US and Australia all introduced multiculturalism 3 decades ago.

Wow!



mantra,

THANK YOU!

....for stating that.




mantra,

Even more important than [false, pseudo] 'tolerance',
.....is TRUTH.


Dictionary,
pseudo = =
· adj. not genuine; fake, pretentious, or insincere.
· n. (pl. pseudos) a pretentious or insincere person.






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Free and open TRUTH, gets, establishes, justice. And peace will come to abide, alongside justice [i.e. where justice is established]. Want PEACE? Seek and support free and open TRUTH. Like i said, it isn't rocket science.

at....
"Churches oppose Islamic school"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1240363717/25#25

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From ABC, 10 Jun. 09 2 ARRESTED AS INDIAN STUDENTS PROTEST Indian students have protested for a second night in Sydney's west, calling for greater police protection. About 70 young men blocked off an intersection at Harris Park just after 8:00pm, demonstrating against what some claim is racially-motivated attacks against Indian students perpetrated by members of the Lebanese community. Two men were arrested and taken to Parramatta Police Station. One was released without charge and the other was served a notice to appear in court later this month. Rippon Singh, a student at the protest, believes they are being targeted. "We are contributing to the real community, we are paying the taxes, we are doing everything that is possible and we are getting bashed up," he said. The group began to disperse just before midnight after spending a second evening calling for greater protection. One man who was at the protest says police cannot guarantee their safety. "Police said that 'you can be dismissed from here'. I said 'OK, we are all going to be dismissed from here, you just give me a guarantee that you can stop these incidents over here'," he said. "The police said that I cannot be giving you a guarantee. I said 'why?'. He said they do not have enough force." INDIAN POLITICS In a speech to India's Parliament, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh slammed the attacks as senseless violence, saying some of them were racist in nature. Australian High Commissioner to India John McCarthy says there are not any systemic racist attacks going on. "Some of the crimes committed against them have had a racial element in them and I think there has been increased concern among the Indian student community as a whole in Australia," he said. "That's understandable." India's Foreign minister, SM Krishna, has urged Indian students to stay calm in the wake of the attacks on them. "I would like all Indian students to be patient," he said. "They should be restrained. They have gone there to pursue higher studies and they should concentrate on that, rather than retaliate." 'TIME FOR RESTRAINT' Foreign Affairs Minister Stephen Smith has also called for calm, saying state and federal authorities are doing all they can to make sure foreign students are safe. "I simply echo the comments of my Indian counterpart. The time has now come for restraint, the time has come for calm," Mr Smith said. "People should simply let the police authorities get on with their jobs. We know that both in Victoria and New South Wales those relevant authorities are working very hard on this." Indian students in Australia have written to the Indian Prime Minister, asking him to protect them from violent attacks. The request was made by the chief editor of Indian Student Magazine Australia, on behalf of the students. But another editor at the magazine, Chirayil Ajitha, told ABC News Breakfast that Indian officials should be sent to Australia to assess the situation. "It's better somebody from India coming and seeing the situation and giving a report to the Indian government, that will be easing this tension of the situation," she said.

Actually we can learn something from students from India too.

We could make big demonstration and demand safety and security from Police to stop all theft, robberies and the like in the whole of Australia.

Why Indians only should feel safe?    :)

Calanen wrote on Jun 10^th, 2009 at 10:45am:

[quote] No they have been taught that 'tolerance' means they are immune from ALL criticism. By people like your good self, and they still are, because any criticism of an ethnic group who gathers together to commit crime is racism. So people are dying because we would rather not 'offend' anyone than deal with the real problems and issues.

That sentiment is known as Emotional Correctness, PC's newer, more sinister spin-off, pun intended. (Rudd attacked the criticism of stimulus payment to the dead as being monstrously insensitive to their grieving families.)

That tinted people hate each others' guts is somemthing the EC/PC crowd is unable to process. Only whitey is capable of such baseness and so culpability for their actions ultimately rests with the racist society around them.


I also wonder - where is the rent-an-imam/Lebanese Friendship Spokesthingy mob warning about backlash against muslims?

Calanen wrote on Jun 10^th, 2009 at 10:45am:

Quote: I don't think we can pretend anymore that multiculturalism is working. We were taught tolerance, but the new Australians haven't been taught the same. No they have been taught that 'tolerance' means they are immune from ALL criticism. By people like your good self, and they still are, because any criticism of an ethnic group who gathers together to commit crime is racism. So people are dying because we would rather not 'offend' anyone than deal with the real problems and issues. Whatever happened in Melbourne, in Sydney, its muslims attacking Indians. Fortunately, most of the Indians here know this. Its just India itself doesnt.

What is tolerance [of 'others']?

Is tolerance, a 'blank cheque', on their behaviour, given to certain minorities, and to particular social groups?
Should it be???
Many people in our Western societies today, seem to suggest, or believe, that the answer to that question, should be,
'Yes'.

I would argue that 'tolerance' does not mean that 'ethnics' or particular social groups, engaged in 'wrong doing', must be immune from [all] criticism.
Confronting and condemning 'ethnics', or particular social groups [or indeed *anyone*], engaged in violent, or criminal activity,
.....is not 'racist'.
.....IT IS COMMON SENSE.





"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."
Thomas Mann
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Mann

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/11/2595034.htm?section=justin From ABC, 11 Jun. 09 INDIANS PROTEST ATTACKS FOR THIRD NIGHT By Di Bain for AM More angry scenes erupted in Sydney's west overnight as tensions increased between local Indian students and the Lebanese community. About 70 students gathered in the heart of Harris Park, but this time they were confronted by local Lebanese youths. Police were forced to hold back the angry mob in the third straight night of protests. The Indian protesters continue to say they are being attacked by Lebanese youths and police are ignoring their pleas for protection. A man was issued with a court notice for carrying an offensive weapon after being allegedly found with a piece of timber during a police search. Earlier, Parramatta Council held a meeting with police, India's consul general and members of Sydney's Indian community, with organisers saying students had agreed to stop protesting. But the flare-up that occurred after the meeting has left Indian leaders exasperated and some locals are concerned there could be fresh outbreaks of violence in the backstreets of western Sydney. LOCAL LEBANESE VIEWS The ABC's Di Bain was in Harris Park last night, gauging how Lebanese community members are reacting to the commotion. Lebanese man Allan has lived in Sydney's west for 30 years. He visits the same Lebanese patisserie every night and is nonplussed by recent protests nearby. "This is a show - what they're putting on," he said. "I've been around the world four times and there would not be a better country on Earth." He says the Lebanese community is not scared by the Indian protesters' threats. "The Lebanese community in Harris Park or Parramatta doesn't exist," he said. "Truly, they're peaceful people, same as the Indian people." John, a 23-year-old Harris Park local of Lebanese descent, was also unfazed by the recent protests. "I don't think there's any tension. I think it's a bit of a joke," he said. "I think it's pretty funny - they're putting a good show on. It's a bit of a laugh." And he doesn't think the Lebanese pick on Indians. "Just because there's one bad person, like that might have done something wrong to them, doesn't give them the right to cause all this riot for everyone else," he said. "Like, there's old people that live here as well, there's residents. I think it's pretty stupid."

Slowly comes out who are the perpetrators.

"Bit of a joke" - another to the collection of:
Misunderstanding
Taken out of context
Misinterpetation

Now if only the Indian press would get it right.

Yeah, like Aussies haven't had problems with da fully sick Lebos over the years.
I can't remember special police protection being deployed for anybody else's benefit.