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Message started by Grendel on Jun 8th, 2009 at 7:30pm

Title: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Grendel on Jun 8th, 2009 at 7:30pm
A GOOD REASON TO STOP ISLAMIC SCHOOLS - MUSLIM  INTOLERANCE DEMONSTRATED BY THE DRIVING OF THE LAST JEWS OUT OF YEMEN

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/07/yemen-jews-exodus-arab-countries

The last Jews of Yemen are leaving. They are packing their bags and moving to Israel or the US. A community dating back to Biblical times is on the brink of extinction.

Sixty years ago one million Jews lived in Arab countries, but violence and state-sanctioned discrimination scapegoating them as Zionist spies have forced out all but 4,000 – who remain mainly in Yemen, Morocco and Tunisia.

Most Jews were airlifted from Yemen to Israel in the 1950s. The 400 left have resisted moving to Israel, having come under the influence of the non-Zionist Satmar sect. Some returned after a taste of life in the US or Israel (the government generally turns a blind eye to Jews travelling to the Jewish state). Now things have got so bad that even these die-hards are departing.

The murder in December of Moshe al-Nahari, a 30-year-old teacher based in Reda, north of the Yemeni capital, sparked this latest crisis. At first, the authorities claimed that the murderer was "mentally imbalanced". But it became clear that he was religiously motivated, screaming "convert or die, Jew!" as he pumped five bullets into his victim.

For some time jihadist gangs have been harassing Jews in Yemen. Girls have been abducted and forced to marry local tribesmen. Two years ago, 45 Jews, driven out of their village of al-Salem in north Yemen by threats from Shia Houthis, were relocated to the capital Sana'a.

Yemen is hardly an oasis of tranquility: it has more guns than people. The Jews are not the only ones to suffer in its long history of lawlessness and instability. Lately, however, Jews have had it especially tough.

Jews, tribal sheikhs, rights activists and lawyers all concur that harassment has reached an all-time high. After al-Nahari's murder, the Jews were besieged in their own homes and petrol bombs lobbed at them. Moshe's brother, rabbi Yahia Ya'ish, appealed to the government: "protect or deport us". Those wishing to leave could not claim their passports because the government's computers had mysteriously broken down.

Yemen's president, Ali Abdullah Saleh, pledged to take the Jews under his wing in Sana'a, where, in contrast to the countryside, he has firm control. Some say the government is well-meaning but ineffective; others that the promised relocation was never serious. The Jews were to be re-housed in two blocks, too cramped for their large families and vulnerable to attack. But they could not even sell their homes in Reda after local imams intimidated would-be buyers.

The Al-Nahari murder verdict in March was the last straw. During the trial the murderer's family threatened the victim's relatives. Instead of the prescribed death sentence, the judge ordered the murderer to pay "blood money". The Jews felt less secure than ever: the Jewish Agency and the US government swung into action to plan the Jews' rescue and resettlement.

Mahmud Taha, a journalist who has been following the story, is not surprised that the Jews want to go. "There is no option for the Yemeni Jews but to migrate. The local authorities have failed to protect them ... The Jews are fed up and have reached an intolerable situation," he said.

Mansour Hayel, a Muslim human rights activist and Yemeni Jewry expert, blames the government: "In Yemen there is hardly a mosque sermon that's free of bigotry. The government's own political rhetoric marginalises the Jews, and civil society is too weak to protect them," he says.

Perhaps because they understand that tolerance towards minorities is the key to strengthening Yemen civil society, Yemeni human rights activists
have been vigorously defending Jewish rights. They want the media to start promoting democracy and tolerance; and equal civil rights for Jews, who pay discriminatory taxes and, as dhimmis, suffer various handicaps under sharia law. But Jews whose lives are in danger are unlikely to stick around long enough to see such reforms implemented.

The lesson one draws from the final exodus of the Jews of Yemen is that the Arab world does not even tolerate non-Zionist Jews. There can be no future for the pitiful remnant in Arab lands if their safety cannot be guaranteed.

In Morocco, where the Jewish community is largest, Jews traditionally repaid the king's sympathy with tremendous loyalty. But the king of Morocco was unable or unwilling to prevent 260,000 Jews leaving in the face of rising antisemitism in the 1960s, media incitement and forced conversions.

Even benevolent rulers have been powerless to stem the rising tide of anti-Jewish hatred engulfing the Arab world. Few Arabs are now likely to meet a Jew in their lifetime, and the gullible believe the demonisation and conspiracy theories peddled by their media.

No wonder Jews have spurned official invitations for them to return to live in their countries of birth. Jews visit as tourists, but few see their future in these countries. In Tunisia and Morocco al-Qaida targeted Jews in 2002 and 2003. In April the murder of a Jew in Casablanca sent the community into a panic.In May, eight terrorists were arrested for planning attacks on Jewish sites.

If Morocco and Tunisia fail to keep a lid on jihadist terrorism and incitement, their last Jews, too, will soon be following the beleaguered Jews of Yemen into exile.

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Happy on Jun 8th, 2009 at 7:39pm
This is exactly what Obama was talking about in Egypt.

Religious tolerance must be offered in every country.

Question now is what Obama will do if lack of religious tolerance is going to dominate some countries?

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Grendel on Jun 8th, 2009 at 7:49pm

Quote:
Mansour Hayel, a Muslim human rights activist and Yemeni Jewry expert, blames the government: "In Yemen there is hardly a mosque sermon that's free of bigotry. The government's own political rhetoric marginalises the Jews, and civil society is too weak to protect them," he says.

Perhaps because they understand that tolerance towards minorities is the key to strengthening Yemen civil society, Yemeni human rights activists have been vigorously defending Jewish rights. They want the media to start promoting democracy and tolerance; and equal civil rights for Jews, who pay discriminatory taxes and, as dhimmis, suffer various handicaps under sharia law. But Jews whose lives are in danger are unlikely to stick around long enough to see such reforms implemented.

The lesson one draws from the final exodus of the Jews of Yemen is that the Arab world does not even tolerate non-Zionist Jews. There can be no future for the pitiful remnant in Arab lands if their safety cannot be guaranteed.


This is normal life under Islam...

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Happy on Jun 8th, 2009 at 7:57pm
Looks that their biggest worry is loss of "revenue" once there will be no Jews to pay discriminatory taxes.

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by sprintcyclist on Jun 8th, 2009 at 8:25pm

by and large it seems the general population of muslims are happy to have the jews murdered and ran out of their country, again.

yes, Obama - are you reading this ?????
This is exactly the sort of behaviour you said is not on.

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by mozzaok on Jun 8th, 2009 at 8:44pm
It seems we all agree that religious intolerance of this nature is wrong, and should never be condoned.

Now, what was that you were saying about getting rid of muslims?

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Happy on Jun 8th, 2009 at 8:54pm

mozzaok wrote on Jun 8th, 2009 at 8:44pm:
It seems we all agree that religious intolerance of this nature is wrong, and should never be condoned.

Now, what was that you were saying about getting rid of muslims?



Looks that now Muslims have to do their bit on tolerance and coexistence.

Don't you think?

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by mozzaok on Jun 8th, 2009 at 9:10pm
Absolutely agree Happy, they should.

The thing is, just because they do not do the right thing, in some foreign countries, does not mean we should lower our standards here in australia.

While they live in our country, so long as they follow our laws, then we should not place restrictions on them, greater than for anyone else, otherwise we would be no better than those we criticise.

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Grendel on Jun 8th, 2009 at 9:34pm
Were you suggesting Happy should tolerate the intolerant Mozz...  that's the true thinking of a progressive left mind.

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by abu_rashid on Jun 8th, 2009 at 10:40pm
Yeh this is terrible. Those Jews in Yemen shouldn't be made to pay for the crimes of the Jews in Palestine.

Funny thing is though I don't see your same sympathy extending to the 4 million odd Palestinians who've been made refugees by the Jews coming into their country and booting them out... Long before any Jew was ever booted out of an Arab country.

You're a hypocrite, pure and simple.

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Grendel on Jun 8th, 2009 at 10:43pm
ROTFLMAO

Still an idiot I see.

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Aussie Nationalist on Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:10am
Who F ucking cares!

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Grendel on Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:34am
About what AN?

I care to NOT ever be under Islamic rule.

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Calanen on Jun 9th, 2009 at 5:18am

mozzaok wrote on Jun 8th, 2009 at 9:10pm:
Absolutely agree Happy, they should.

While they live in our country, so long as they follow our laws, then we should not place restrictions on them, greater than for anyone else, otherwise we would be no better than those we criticise.


Yeah they've done a really fine effort at following our laws. And do you think being part of a community is just about following the law? No values or ethics needed? Entrenched misogyny enforced with the threat of severe violence, excessive hatred of Jews, no loyalty to the nation state at all - and supporting the causes of Islamic countries anywhere worldwide over and above their supposed new 'home'.

The prisons of New South Wales are full of muslims, even though they are only supposedly 5 % or something of the population. Why is that? Just coincidence?

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Calanen on Jun 9th, 2009 at 5:20am

DILLIGAF wrote on Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:10am:
Who F ucking cares!



Quote:
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not protest;
I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.


When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.


Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by helian on Jun 9th, 2009 at 9:20am
When they came for the Muslims
I was inspired
And joined the crusade.

When they came for the Africans
The porch monkeys they are
I dragged a few from their homes.

When they came for the Asians
The Yellow Peril slopes
I bashed three or four.

Didn’t know at the start how far it would go,
Thought it would stop
At the ones I despised.

These days I wait
Praying to god
That justice has lost its way home.

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Happy on Jun 9th, 2009 at 10:53am


mozzaok wrote on Jun 8th, 2009 at 9:10pm:
Absolutely agree Happy, they should.

The thing is, just because they do not do the right thing, in some foreign countries, does not mean we should lower our standards here in australia.

While they live in our country, so long as they follow our laws, then we should not place restrictions on them, greater than for anyone else, otherwise we would be no better than those we criticise.



What should we do if they don't?

Obama in his speech did not go that far, and I wander what he is going to say and do and when, should other countries drag their feet to give equal freedom to all religions.

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by skippy on Jun 9th, 2009 at 11:09am

mozzaok wrote on Jun 8th, 2009 at 9:10pm:
Absolutely agree Happy, they should.

The thing is, just because they do not do the right thing, in some foreign countries, does not mean we should lower our standards here in australia.

While they live in our country, so long as they follow our laws, then we should not place restrictions on them, greater than for anyone else, otherwise we would be no better than those we criticise.


Spot on moz, there are a few points in this

Just like here in Australia there is a section of the community who are anti Muslim, it appears in Yemen the Muslims are intolerant of others.
The other point or its more so a question, is how many Muslims were pushed out of their homeland to make way for Israel when the west decided that was the best place for the "Jewish problem"?
Any body who worships a god believes their god is the one true god, there in lies the problem.

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Yadda on Jun 9th, 2009 at 11:47am
skippy,

But, but, ....my God is the one true God.       ;)





Psalms 82:1
God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

....oooops!      :-[






The rest of Psalms 82 goes...

Psalms 82:1
God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
2  How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
3  Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4  Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5  They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
6  I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7  But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8  Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.




Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by skippy on Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:02pm
SEE WHAT I MEAN. ::)

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Happy on Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:09pm


I heard one story about what is God.

Story goes like this; several blind men met an elephant.
One blind man touched trunk and says, o this is how elephant looks.
Other touched leg said the same
Next one touched large ear and said the same thing.
Another blind man touched the tail and also created picture of his experience.

Come to think about it, many Gods have enormous powers, look like humans (they are white in Europe and black in Africa) and on.

Could it be that they warship the same entity?

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Yadda on Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:21pm
As far as.... "Jews forced out of homelands by arabs"


That statement is true.

And today, it is Moslems again, who are seeking to force the Jewish people out of their land, once more.

Why?





This first map shows the WHOLE British Mandate of Transjordan, AFTER WW1










The Jewish people were allotted the land on the western side of the river Jordan, BY THE WORLD COMMUNITY.

This land, was the ancient homeland of the Jewish people.



The Arabs were allotted the land of Transjorden, east of the river Jordan.
.....WHERE [BY AGREEMENT WITH THE ARABS OF THE AREA], JEWS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SETTLE.

And consider, those who call themselves 'Palestinians', ARE MOSTLY ETHNIC JORDANIANS.


Jordan, IS THE TRUE 'Palestinians' 'HOMELAND'.i
Moslems have so much land, already, in the middle east....


Why won't moslems allow the Jewish people to live in their ancient homeland??




Why can't there be peace between moslems and Jews?

Is the lack of peace between moslems and Jews because the 'Palestinians' do not have a 'homeland'?

Or is the lack of peace between moslems and Jews because of the ISLAMIC pride of moslems, cannot, WILL NOT, allow non-moslems [JEWS] to live in their their ancient homeland ?




Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by skippy on Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:36pm
So whats your point? Australia is the ancient homeland of Aboriginals, should us white fella pizz off?

Ps, love the maps, it adds a bit of an old fashion element to your posts.
Modern Israel was formed AFTER WW2.To deal with the Jewish problem in the world.
None of the west wanted them in their backyard, far to much trouble, as can be seen by their behaviour today in the middle east.


"Israel was formed as a modern state in 1948. The nation was founded as the result of the Zionist movement, an effort to establish an independent Jewish homeland, which began in the 1890s. Zionists sought a solution for diaspora (dispersion of Jews around the world) and anti-Semitism (the hatred of Jews). After World War II (1939–45), the United Nations (an organization that promotes international peace and democracy) created a special committee to address British control of Palestine. Palestine is the region in the Middle East (southwest Asia) that borders the Mediterranean Sea to the west, Lebanon to the north, Syria and Jordan to the east, and Egypt (the Sinai Peninsula) to the southwest; the narrow piece of land comes to a point in the south, where it fronts the Gulf of Aqaba. In November 1947, the United Nations carved Israel out of the Palestine region."


Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Mercedes With Square Wheels on Jun 9th, 2009 at 6:32pm
My view on the entire Israeli state is that it should be allowed to exist simply because.. it can. If the Islamic countries that surround it want it gone so much, a concerted military effort would do it. Otherwise, I completely don't care either way. The Palestinians are just dick heads, and the Israelis aren't really that much better (though obviously Israel is infinitely preferable to an Islamic state). Israel isn't a blip on our radar screen at all. The Israelis constantly spy on our allies and bite the hand that feeds them all the time, and Jews in Western Countries hold absolutely no loyalty to the countries in which they live; their allegiances above all are to Israel and Israel alone. I don't give two buggers about bringing democracy to the Middle East; the people there don't want democracy. It's completely incompatible with their awful religion. Let the Islamic world be the Islamic world and leave the rest of us the bugger alone.

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Grendel on Jun 9th, 2009 at 7:44pm
The arabs tried a concerted military effort...  THEY LOST.

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Mercedes With Square Wheels on Jun 9th, 2009 at 8:02pm
It was still a pretty pathetic effort. If Egypt really wanted Israel gone they could just arm every seventh man, woman and child in their country with an AK-47 and send them over the border. It would be over quickly.

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Grendel on Jun 9th, 2009 at 8:29pm
yeah...  Israel would win again.

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by mantra on Jun 9th, 2009 at 10:08pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 9th, 2009 at 8:29pm:
yeah...  Israel would win again.


Yes of course - they've got the heavy nuclear artillery as a safeguard. No-one can touch Israel.

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by soren on Jun 9th, 2009 at 11:41pm

mantra wrote on Jun 9th, 2009 at 10:08pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 9th, 2009 at 8:29pm:
yeah...  Israel would win again.


Yes of course - they've got the heavy nuclear artillery as a safeguard. No-one can touch Israel.



So why not leave it in peace?


Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Calanen on Jun 9th, 2009 at 11:56pm

wrote on Jun 9th, 2009 at 8:02pm:
It was still a pretty pathetic effort. If Egypt really wanted Israel gone they could just arm every seventh man, woman and child in their country with an AK-47 and send them over the border. It would be over quickly.


Have you been to Egypt?

They couldn't organise a root in a brothel.

Title: Re: Jews forced out of homelands by arabs
Post by Mercedes With Square Wheels on Jun 10th, 2009 at 12:06am
Well yes, they would be too busy decapitating all of its patrons.

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