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Title: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by abu_rashid on Jul 3rd, 2009 at 4:40pm
More Lebanese Muslims raping.. oops, is that a Christian Anglo, son of a priest? My mistake, sorry..
Of course this is not a reflection on Christian Anglo Australians is it? Just a co-incidence, after all, it's only related to religion, and all members of the perpetrators religion are only to be blamed when it's Muslims, I forgot. Baptist minister's son jailed for rapes THE son of a high profile Baptist minister has been jailed for more than 15 years for a series of aggravated rapes he committed in the 1980s. Phillip Alexander Kenworthy, 44, broke into the homes of three women in the Melbourne suburb of Surrey Hills between 1982 and 1985 and raped them at knifepoint. His crimes remained unsolved until 2007 when fingerprints he left on a lamp and fuse box were matched with his prints. Kenworthy, whose father the Reverend Dr Alex Kenworthy presented a show on Melbourne radio station 3AW until his death in 1994, pleaded guilty to 14 charges including aggravated rape and aggravated burglary. Victoria County Court Judge Geoffrey Chettle described the offences as a serious example of the crimes. "You systematically preyed upon women who lived near your home," he said. Judge Chettle jailed Kenworthy for 15 years and six months. He must serve 12 years before being eligible for parole. Source: Herald-Sun |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by locutius on Jul 3rd, 2009 at 4:52pm
Wow, you found another criminal. Congratulations!
Should have been given 15 years for each rape. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by abu_rashid on Jul 3rd, 2009 at 5:25pm Quote:
Your mock wonderment highlights your ignorance on how hypocritical it is to blame the entire Muslim community (something which we see a lot) based on the actions of criminals who happen to be from that community. If you don't have the basic intellect to at least perceive this, then your comment does nothing but ridicule your ownself. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by Grendel on Jul 3rd, 2009 at 5:37pm
yeah imagine a gang rapist like that calling them aussie sluts and all.
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Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by freediver on Jul 4th, 2009 at 9:54am
Abu what makes you think it is religiously motivated?
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Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by abu_rashid on Jul 4th, 2009 at 9:59am
Assuming I actually honestly believe they were religiously-motivated... the same kind of ignorance and bigotry that leads others to believe Islam is connected to rapes committed by Lebanese I guess.
Come on, we both know that if the son of a prominent Islamic leader were involved in rapes... the accusations against Islam would be all over the place, stop playing dumb, it doesn't do you justice fd. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by freediver on Jul 4th, 2009 at 10:12am
I think it's more to do with the 'cat meat' comments from the actual religious leaders themselves Abu (you know, the imaginary leaders that are only real leaders when it is convenient for you), or the claims by muslims that male muslims are unable to control themselves if women don't wear tents.
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Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by abu_rashid on Jul 4th, 2009 at 10:26am
Statements after the facts do not alter the motivations of the perpetrators.
Likewise his statements do not condone the actions, he believes in capital punishment for rape, he just thinks it's extremely unfair that Muslims get 50 odd years, whilst others get less than 10 in most cases. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by freediver on Jul 4th, 2009 at 10:37am Quote:
True, but they can reveal them. Quote:
That sounds like an unreasonable generalisation to me. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by abu_rashid on Jul 4th, 2009 at 12:08pm Quote:
If those statements are made by the perpetrators, perhaps. Not if made by a completely different individual. Besides, you've missed the point that he never made any statement to condone their actions. Quote:
Can you name a single case that sets a similar precedent in recent Australian legal history of a rapist getting 50 odd years? Or even anyone getting 50 odd years for any crime? I cannot. Also I remember at around the same time as the Skaf case, there were two Anglo men who broke into a senior lady's house, they gang raped her, robbed her and killed her, and they didn't get a sentence remotely like the Skafs. Anyone who claims the sentence wasn't biased is living in an alternate dimension, sorry. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by Grendel on Jul 4th, 2009 at 12:14pm
I can think of a few life in prisons.
Remember this was gang rape and the main offenders only copped 50 years which has been a great deal decreased since BTW and it wasn't just about 1 rape. As for religion that dimension only came into it after the Moslem Leader from Auburn stuck his 2 cents in being an apologist for them. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by freediver on Jul 4th, 2009 at 12:27pm Quote:
Abu, I don't exactly keep track of sentences for rapists. If you want to make some kind of argument about it, you do the homework. Saying that you don't know of any cases is hardly a watertight argument. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by Grendel on Jul 4th, 2009 at 12:39pm
Apples and oranges fd
gang rapists not rapists serial gang rapists not just the 1 rape leaders and organisers of the rapes not just a standerby or someone who came along hard to find people who do that regularly in our society... yet in several societies/western-nations the habit of gang rape involving moslems has been quite a new edition. France and Sweden being 2 other main countries where it occurs in France they even have a special name for it. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by abu_rashid on Jul 4th, 2009 at 8:30pm
fd,
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Just be a man for once and say "No there is no other case, and now I think about it, it does seem quite disproportionate compared to other sentencing we see". Grendel, Quote:
And what does 'life' pan out to in Australian justice? 25 years? 20 for good behaviour? Quote:
Yeh, so much more severe than breaking into an old lady's home, gang raping her, murdering her, then robbing her... Perhaps if they'd done that, then they woulda got less. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by Grendel on Jul 4th, 2009 at 8:41pm
Life in prison in NSW under truth in sentencing legislation means just tat... never to be released.
So when are you going to admit you got it wrong. This isn't about religiously motivated rape. The Lebo gang rapists weren't seen that way until after Hilali decided to make excuses for the rapists and even then it wasn't religion in the first place it was racist rapes if you want a qualifier for them. That they aren't sentenced to 50 years in gaol at all... it was multiple gang rapes and you've just been lying about everything. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by freediver on Jul 4th, 2009 at 8:59pm Quote:
Why would I say there is no other case? I haven't even looked. It's not like I'm hiding something from you. And I thought the sentence for the Muslim bloke was reduced anyway, so you should be happy about him getting out. Maybe one day you will get to stone him to death. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by Yadda on Jul 5th, 2009 at 11:02am
abu,
From my own perspective, It is the intention of moslems, living among non-moslems, to demand from non-moslems, to show to the moslem community a higher, social 'respect'. That is an ISLAMIC doctrine, which is PROMOTED within the umma, to demand from non-moslems, a higher 'respect' for ISLAM, and moslems. And the appropriate tool, to engender a higher 'respect' for ISLAM is to engender a palpable fear among non-moslems, for moslems. A terror. And the opportunistic rape of non-moslem women, by young moslem men, is a 'tool' which is being used to enable that, feeling of terror, among non-moslem women, and the non-moslem community generally. Hilali's comments [after-the-event], demonstrated that [in the mind of the moslem community] there was clearly some sort of 'provocation' to rape, which is being constantly exhibited by non-moslem women. And Hilali's comments, in his mosque sermon, describing non-moslem women as 'catmeat' [because they do not dress as ISLAM requires], while not overtly encouraging rape, clearly is intended to blame shift. So, this [Hilali's argument] establishes in the mind of the moslem community, that moslem rapists are less culpable [less blameworthy], BECAUSE THE 'RAPISTS' WERE 'PROVOKED' BY NON-MOSLEM WOMEN. And again, here, we have another example of expressed moslem 'victimhood'. Whenever moslems are 'revealed' to be acting in a clearly, unconscionable way, the blame and responsibility, for any actions, is always shifted away from moslems, and away from the moslem community. i.e. "The non-moslems clearly provoked us. And after we were provoked, now they punish us!! The non-moslems are always unjust to moslems! They are 'racist', against moslems!" So, in the mind of the moslem community, non-moslem women should wear clothing which is appropriate to moslem women. Its called, slow ISLAMISATION. Q. Why is the ISLAMIC rape of non-moslem women, broadly, provisionally 'tolerated' by moslem communities? And it is, from my perspective. A. Because quintessentially, ISLAMIC rape, is another means of instilling the fear of moslems, among non-moslems. A. ISLAMIC rape, is a form of terror, and this behaviour clearly falls under the auspice of the obligation on moslems to Jihad, against individual non-moslems and also non-moslems communities. Terrorising 'unbelievers' is the objective. Rape is one 'tool', in that objective. Inside the sect that loves terror August 07, 2005 A Sunday Times reporter spent two months as a recruit inside the Saviour Sect to reveal for the first time how the extremist group promotes hatred of “non-believers” and encourages its followers to commit acts of violence including suicide bombings. The reporter witnessed one of the sect’s leading figures, Sheikh Omar Brooks, telling a young audience, including children, that it was the duty of Muslims to be terrorists and boasting, just days before the July 7 attacks, that he wanted to die as a suicide bomber. After the [London] attacks that claimed 52 lives, another key figure, Zachariah, justified them by saying that the victims were not “innocent” people because they did not abide by strict Islamic laws. .....Speaking to a group of teenagers and families, he declared it was imperative for Muslims to “instil terror into the hearts of the kuffar” and added: “I am a terrorist. As a Muslim of course I am a terrorist.” ......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: “Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar.” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html In 'promoting' ISLAM to the whole world, Terror - is the objective! Terror - is the 'method'! The rape of non-moslem women is a tool, to empower the spread of that terror [fear of moslems], among non-moslems. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by Yadda on Jul 5th, 2009 at 3:20pm
ACCORDING TO ISLAMIC RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE.....
MOSLEMS SHOULD ACT TO INSTILL TERROR INTO THE HEARTS OF ALLAH'S ENEMIES.... From the Hadith..... ".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies): spoils have been made lawful to me:" http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/004.smt.html#004.1062 "I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.220 In my opinion, the rape of non-moslem women, is one of the tools being used by ISLAMISTS to engage the Jihad, against non-moslem communities. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by locutius on Jul 6th, 2009 at 7:52am abu_rashid wrote on Jul 3rd, 2009 at 5:25pm:
Pionting a finger at the wrong person Abu but If you don't have the basic intellect to at least perceive this, then your comment does nothing but ridicule your ownself. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by abu_rashid on Jul 6th, 2009 at 11:21am Quote:
You just don't seem to get it do you? This was your response to my thread... Quote:
I'm not interested in the SLIGHTEST in finding and pointing out Anglo/Christian criminals, I'm only posting that story here to _highlight_ the hypocrisy of those who habitually blame all Muslims for the actions of certain criminal individuals. Unlike most of the brain dead bigots here, I don't for a nanosecond assume that because an Anglo son of a priest committed serial rapes therefore all Anglo Christians are responsible for it, or that the religion sanctions it. Are you really that daft that it just went straight over you? |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by locutius on Jul 6th, 2009 at 2:18pm abu_rashid wrote on Jul 6th, 2009 at 11:21am:
I'm not interested in the SLIGHTEST in finding and pointing out Anglo/Christian criminals, I'm only posting that story here to _highlight_ the hypocrisy of those who habitually blame all Muslims for the actions of certain criminal individuals. Unlike most of the brain dead bigots here, I don't for a nanosecond assume that because an Anglo son of a priest committed serial rapes therefore all Anglo Christians are responsible for it, or that the religion sanctions it. Are you really that daft that it just went straight over you?[/quote] I don't for a nanosecond assume that because a son of a Muslim committed serial rapes therefore all Muslims are responsible for it, or that the religion sanctions it. Are you really that daft that it just went straight over you? Of course FD's comment that if individual leaders of a certain group make statements ala "uncovered meat" and those comments firstly recieve no equally authoritive criticism from the Muslim community (Muslim ettequite and all) and secondly are percieved as acceptable as a standard opinion of "westerm" women than obvoiusly that silent group will bear some of the taint. Prevoius FD/Abu Quote:
Yes, that seems to be reasonable observation. How much ourrage did you show at those particulat comments? Or were you too daft to see the wrongness of it. FD/Abu Quote:
Don't you remember me saying the priest's son should get 15 years for each rape. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by freediver on Jul 6th, 2009 at 7:33pm Quote:
Correct me if I am wrong Abu, but aren't you doing that by pointing out Anglo/Christian criminals? If it was an atheist criminal, your point would have been lost, would it not? |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by abu_rashid on Jul 7th, 2009 at 5:12pm
locutius,
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In that case then this thread wasn't targetted at you, so I can't really understand what motivated you to come in and state what you did. I assumed it was because you missed the irony of it, but you insist this isn't the case. Sadly fd still doesn't seem to get it... Quote:
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Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by freediver on Jul 7th, 2009 at 8:22pm
Yes I do. I was just pointing out that you were still wrong, whatever your motives. You can't go and do something, then claim you had no itnerest in doing what you just did because you have some kind of reasoning to justify it.
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Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by abu_rashid on Jul 18th, 2009 at 10:22am
More Lebanese Mus... nope actually this one's a priest... But Christians don't rape of course, only Muslims.
And not just a layman, but the leader of the Christian community, the priest.. So priests and priest's sons can go around raping and pillaging as they like, but only Lebanese rapists (The Muslims that is, not the good friendly Christian ones) are supposedly religiously-motivated rapists.. Only in the twisted world of the Islamophobes could such nonsense be construed as an argument. Also quite interesting that the fact he's a priest isn't even mentioned until about half way through the story. If he were a Muslim (not even a leader of the Muslim community, just a normal average Muslim) then it'd be in the headline for sure... But the media isn't biased against Islam or Muslims mind you, just co-incidence. Alleged rapist caught on CCTV Article from: The Advertiser JORDANNA SCHRIEVER, COURT REPORTER July 17, 2009 12:01am UPDATE: A MAN who surrendered to police after CCTV footage of a sex attack suspect was released was initially sent home before police arrested and charged him. On Wednesday, police released footage of a man wanted for questioning over a sex attack in Modbury on Monday. In Elizabeth Magistrates Court , lawyer Craig Ellis said his client was alerted by family members to footage of a man matching his appearance, shown in media reports on Monday night. His client is a priest from Adelaide's northern suburbs, who cannot be identified. "When he heard about this from the family members he then went to the Port Adelaide police station to make inquiries," Mr Ellis said. Police said he was not the man they were seeking and sent him home, where he was later arrested, the court was told. Mr Ellis told the court his client had not yet given him full instructions. "It may be his instructions are that he was present at the premises but nothing happened, or it may be he wasn't present . . . at all," he said. The man was charged with serious criminal trespass, assault, compelling a person to sexually manipulate him and indecent assault. Police said they would not comment on why the man was sent home after presenting at the police station. In court, magistrate Jack Fahey granted the man bail, to reappear in August. Source: News.com.au |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by Grendel on Jul 18th, 2009 at 12:07pm
yeah imagine a gang rapist like that calling them aussie sluts and all.
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Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by Yadda on Jul 20th, 2009 at 9:55am
On topic.....
More religiously-motivated rapes, .......inside Iranian prisons. This is an account of moslem religious 'compassion', for those about to die. The moslem prison guard rapist, declared that he regrets his actions.... Quote:
Read a fuller account of these Iranian prison 'marriages'.... July 19, 2009 Member of Iranian Basiji militia tells of being assigned to rape women prior to their execution ..... He said he had been a highly regarded member of the force, and had so "impressed my superiors" that, at 18, "I was given the 'honor' to temporarily marry young girls before they were sentenced to death." In the Islamic Republic it is illegal to execute a young woman, regardless of her crime, if she is a virgin, he explained. Therefore a "wedding" ceremony is conducted the night before the execution: The young girl is forced to have sexual intercourse with a prison guard - essentially raped by her "husband." http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026964.php http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443842931&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull EXPLANATION: "...In the Islamic Republic it is illegal to execute a young woman, regardless of her crime, if she is a virgin, he explained. Therefore a "wedding" ceremony is conducted the night before the execution: The young girl is forced to have sexual intercourse with a prison guard....." Within the doctrine of these particular moslems, it is believed that these female wrongdoers, those who commit crimes against ISLAM, and Allah, may somehow[!], as virgins, be allowed into paradise. So to ensure that these girls and women will go to Allah's hell, the Iranian regime, demands that these miscreants must be 'deflowered', before execution. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by abu_rashid on Jul 20th, 2009 at 1:41pm
I guess it must be pretty disheartening knowing that the LEADERS of your religion are being charged for rape...
Which then causes you to look to other countries to try and dig up some dirt. There's no doubting the Iranian regime, like all the other regimes that inflict the Muslim world are deviants. Apart from the fact they're Shi'a.. Nevermind, as long as it allowed you to take your mind off the fact that many of your leaders are rapists and/or child molestorers.. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by Yadda on Jul 20th, 2009 at 1:52pm abu_rashid wrote on Jul 20th, 2009 at 1:41pm:
Try? Try? !!!!!! LOL Quote:
Yep. I have known for some months now, that you are the only REAL moslem, anywhere on the planet abu. All of the others are only 'deviants', and 'not real moslems'. /sarc off LOL EXAMPLES OF.... 'Deviants', and 'not real moslems', 'misrepresenting' ISLAM. /sarc off ISLAMIC doctrine towards Kafir, being espoused to moslem communities #1 [Kafir = = 'unbelief'] "We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity." Quote, Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, a UK moslem community leader. What Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad is explaining, is that as far as [true] ISLAM is concerned, non-moslems who reject ISLAM, and oppose the spread of ISLAM, can be 'lawfully' murdered by devout moslems - if they have the 'opportunity'. ISLAMIC doctrine on Kafir, being espoused to moslem communities #2 And, Anjem Choudary - another UK moslem community leader. Here on YOUTUBE, he explains ISLAM's relationship to 'unbelievers', to the dumb Kuffar, "...when we say innocent people, we mean muslims." "....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God." "...If you are a non-muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God." "...as a muslim....i must have *hatred* towards everything which is non-ISLAM." "...[muslims] allegence is always with the muslims, so i will never condemn a muslim for what he does." "...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4i These following, are just a few examples in ISLAM's own 'scriptures', justifying the violence of the Jihad, against non-moslems, The Hadith... "Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...." http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.196 "A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." " http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.065 "Allah's Apostle said, "Allah welcomes two men with a smile; one of whom kills the other and both of them enter Paradise. One fights in Allah's Cause and gets killed. Later on Allah forgives the 'killer who also get martyred (In Allah's Cause)." " http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.080i "Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." " http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/002.sbt.html#001.002.025 |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by abu_rashid on Jul 20th, 2009 at 5:19pm
Just be dignified enough to actually address the issue of this thread, instead of constantly passing the buck off to someone else (posting huge long rants with pictures, huge headings, excessive punctuation and line spacing). In every single thread about Islam that I respond in, I always address the issue, and never say "but hey look what you guys did here". Even if I remotely mention another group in passing, you all jump up and down with "tu quoque" or "deflection".
Doesn't your religion teach some golden rule about doing unto others as you'd have them do unto you? Or is it like everything else in your religion just symbolic? But I understand your situation, you're really in a fix when things like this happen aren't you. Because you constantly blame Islam for the actions of rogue adherents (who most of the time aren't even very practising adherents at that), yet then it regularly surfaces that your leaders and 'holy men' are doing very evil and wicked deeds.... Talk about egg on the face. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by Yadda on Jul 21st, 2009 at 12:25am abu_rashid wrote on Jul 20th, 2009 at 5:19pm:
abu, In your first post on this thread, you posted this news report..... Quote:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1246603234/0#0 OK abu. 'The son of a Christian preacher is a convicted rapist?' OK, that would be a truthful description. But can you please explain how the substance of the news report you posted, has anything to do with the topic, expressed in the title of this thread? "More religiously-motivated rapes??" Dictionary, motivation, motive, = = a factor inducing a person to act in a particular way. Are you perhaps suggesting in your topic, that the rapists' father, Phillip Alexander Kenworthy, tutored his son, on the permissibility of rape, as a Christian doctrine? Or that in some way, the rapes committed by Phillip Alexander Kenworthy, were somehow religiously motivated, and encouraged by the Christian religion? Because that, is what you appear to be insinuating, in what would be the description of the topic, expressed in the title of this thread. Dictionary, insinuate = = 1 suggest or hint (something bad) in an indirect and unpleasant way. 2 (insinuate oneself into) manoeuvre oneself gradually into (a favourable position). Conversely abu [conversely, talking of religiously-motivated rapes, rapes motivated by religion, but a religion NOT being Christianity], .....would you deny that ISLAMIC doctrine teaches moslem men, that the booty of war [which would include captive women], can be 'taken' by them, and 'enjoyed' [i.e. captive women can be 'legally' raped by their moslem captors]? I'm sure i could find some Koran or Hadith verses relating to this. .....[in fact i do recall, coming across such verses.] A recent news item highlighting this ISLAMIC-ally sanctioned practice..... Amanda Lindhout - somebody's daughter... Canadian journalist kidnapped, raped, .....now pregnant to one of her kidnappers Google, somalia canadian journalist kidnapped pregnant http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=somalia+canadian+journalist+kidnapped+pregnant&btnG=Search&meta= http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/05/25/somalia-canadian.html Google, Amanda Lindhout wiki http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Amanda+Lindhout+wiki&btnG=Search&meta= |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by abu_rashid on Jul 21st, 2009 at 7:47am Quote:
When your only single argument is _consistently_ pointing the finger back, then one has to gather that you are indeed defeated. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by Yadda on Jul 21st, 2009 at 8:29am abu_rashid wrote on Jul 21st, 2009 at 7:47am:
Oh yes, abu. I feel really defeated in our debate[s]. Mark it up abu, as yet another incontestable, victory for ISLAM, against an 'unbeliever' [one of the not 'rightly guided']. /sarc off Because there is no chance that moslems are guilty of any miscreanat behaviour, now is there? I mean, you moslems, KNOW that Allah smiles down upon you all, and that you are all close to being angels, in Allah's sight. Right? "Ye [muslims] are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency;" http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.110 |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by abu_rashid on Jul 21st, 2009 at 10:01am Quote:
There are miscreants from all religions Yadda, difference is that when I see a miscreant from your religion, I have no inclination whatsoever to blame it on you or your religion generally. And I could, because your religion in it's 'modern' reformed state is very 'loose' when it comes to guiding it's adherents, and pretty much lets them do as they like. But I personally know that members of almost all religions, who truly follow their religion are good upstanding moral people, even Hindus or Buddhists etc. The fundamental teachings of all religions are based around moral and good conduct, and improving ones self and bettering society at large. Too bad you can't recognise this, and instead continuously blame the misbehaviour of some Muslims on Islam and the entire Muslim community. Again, the "do unto others as you'd have them do unto you" seems to be quite absent when it comes to dealing with Muslims. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by Yadda on Jul 21st, 2009 at 10:42am abu_rashid wrote on Jul 21st, 2009 at 10:01am:
abu, I know that you freely spout this 'moslems are friendly, and tolerant' lie here, to any 'unbeliever' who will listen. But the lie, to such assertions, from members of the moslem community is on display, in all Sharia jurisdictions around the world. There is a standing, sanctified, legal apartheid between moslems and non-moslems, in all Sharia jurisdictions. One law, and set of rules for moslems under Sharia. And another more onerus law, and set of rules for non-moslems under Sharia. The truth is that, moslems believe in moral equivalency [equal human rights], only with other moslems. Part 057 - Jizya or Poll Tax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvYoRkIJqQs Explaining the onerous 'compact' ISLAM has, with subjugated peoples [non-moslems], Part 026 - The Charter of Umar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tNP_rlLLBA All moslems are taught from childhood, not to value the ethic of human equality..... .....but they are taught that ISLAM, and moslems This is TRUE. And that frame of mind, by moslems, is what motivates them in their Jihad ['struggle'], against non-moslems. ISLAM and moslems must be superior, to the 'unbelievers'. THAT, is ISLAMIC doctrine, AND YOU KNOW THAT. So, intimately knowing that fact already [of a 'relationship' of imposed inequality, between moslems and non-moslems, within Sharia law], why do you infer something different from that, here? So, why are you inferring that ISLAM, moslems, support the same, and equal, human rights, for both moslems, and non-moslems? abu, Here is the inference i refer to.... Quote:
abu, That your inference is untrue, is clearly seen in the unguarded actions, and statements, of moslems, and here [below] a moslem community leader in the UK.... July 18, 2009 Anjem Choudary continues his "Islamic roadshows" while receiving government benefits "Choudary's recruits are told that it is their Muslim duty to claim benefits, ensuring that they make no contribution to the 'enemy' British state." http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026960.php And in the implied enmity towards non-moslems, and their society, expressed within ISLAMIC texts..... The Hadith... "A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." " http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.065 Quote:
abu, It is a pity that moslems are not Christians. If they were, then moslems could show us all, how to implement such a commendable doctrine, towards our fellow man. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by skippy on Jul 22nd, 2009 at 9:15am
The thing is Muslims and christians are very similar, they both believe in fictitious gods and think its ok to kill those of opposing views in that fictional gods name.
It would be better if you all woke up to yourselves and lived the only life you're ever going to get instead of worrying about when you die. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by Grendel on Jul 22nd, 2009 at 1:25pm
Except what you believe is the rantings of a deluded athiest.
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Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by skippy on Jul 22nd, 2009 at 4:12pm Grendel wrote on Jul 22nd, 2009 at 1:25pm:
Retard on cue. |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by Grendel on Jul 22nd, 2009 at 6:03pm
LOL
bUT WHO GAVE YOU THE CUE? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: More religiously-motivated rapes?? Post by abu_rashid on Jul 22nd, 2009 at 11:06pm
now now boys keep it friendly please.
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