Nigeria's North is now under sharia rule, and the Christians flee sharia states to the Christian South. How much longer before Nigeria is at civil war because (for very very good reasons..of course) the mosque speakers blare the call to Jihad.

This video talks about the rise of Sharia in Nigeria.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4c6_1247205700

If you ever get the opportunity to speak to a Nigerian Christian, do so. Ask them about what it was like to live with Muslims. Under the military dictatorship, no problem. The muslims were good neighbours and friends. Just like here..multiculti works so well.

Once the military dictatorship was gone, the mullahs were back, jihad was called, and the path to intolerant dictatorial sharia was on again. And then the same 'moderate' muslims were killing their christian neighbours that they were once friends with.

That will be here soon if we do not watch out, with collections of muslim communities demanding to be ruled only by sharia law, or else.

Zealots of the religious, ethnic, cultural or political kind, value the form of blind subservience to dogma over the greater good. They invariably do a 'deal with the devil' to achieve their intended outcome, which is always a 'hell on earth' to be suffered by all.

How terrible, a Muslim country wants to implement Shari'ah.

Anyway...


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Sharia law, used only in the predominantly Muslim north of the country. It is an Islamic legal system which had been used long before the colonial administration in Nigeria but recently politicised and spearheaded in Zamfara in late 1999 and eleven other states followed suit.

Wikipedia:Nigeria

So you're only about 300 years too late... Nevermind, better luck next time Calanen, but remember the early bird..

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 12^th, 2009 at 5:25pm:

How terrible, a Muslim country wants to implement Shari'ah. Anyway... Quote: Sharia law, used only in the predominantly Muslim north of the country. It is an Islamic legal system which had been used long before the colonial administration in Nigeria but recently politicised and spearheaded in Zamfara in late 1999 and eleven other states followed suit. Wikipedia:Nigeria So you're only about 300 years too late... Nevermind, better luck next time Calanen, but remember the early bird..

I could write that your mother is Donald Duck on Wikipedia. So what. Nigeria is not an Islamic country. The Northern states are Islamic, the South is not, and the Federal government is a democracy. Half the country is not Islamic.

And yes the implementation of sharia anywhere is terrible, because it is medieval barbarity in the modern era. Amputating a person's arm for stealing cattle? Barbarism that the rest of the world has moved on from.

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Amputating a person's arm for stealing cattle? Barbarism that the rest of the world has moved on from.

You call it barbarism, others call it justice.

Same deal with death penalty in the U.S. and other nations.

Islam sees punishment as a deterrent, but it's not much of a deterrent when it's a simple few days of community service, a fine, or even a caution, is it?

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Nigeria is not an Islamic country.

Islam _IS_ the largest religion there. Sorry.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 12^th, 2009 at 7:04pm:

Quote: Nigeria is not an Islamic country. Islam _IS_ the largest religion there. Sorry.

So what. It's not a 'muslim' country. There are huge numbers of Christians and Animists who dont want to be ruled by sharia, and its a secular democracy. The only reason sharia is in the north is because allah akbar jihad people rioted and killed until they got what they want, which they do everywhere, and which they will do here if they are not stopped.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 12^th, 2009 at 7:01pm:

Quote: Amputating a person's arm for stealing cattle? Barbarism that the rest of the world has moved on from. You call it barbarism, others call it justice. Same deal with death penalty in the U.S. and other nations. Islam sees punishment as a deterrent, but it's not much of a deterrent when it's a simple few days of community service, a fine, or even a caution, is it?

Chopping someone's arm off for theft is not 'justice' it is a disproportionate and barbaric penalty that belongs in the middle ages. The death penalty for heinous crimes in the United States does not justify the amputation of limbs for theft, nor the use of flogging for so called moral and religious crimes.

Whether it's a great idea or not, we don't want it here. Ever. And the streets will be awash with blood if anyone tries to bring sharia into this country.

So let me get this straight...

When Muslims are minorities in other countries, they can't live by their own law/system (that's fair enough)

But also when Muslims are majorities in their own countries, they also can't live by their own law/system, because you (on the other side of the world) say they can't?

As you can imagine you'd say to someone who tried to dictate to you what you should implement in your own country... shove it.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 12^th, 2009 at 7:52pm:

So let me get this straight... When Muslims are minorities in other countries, they can't live by their own law/system (that's fair enough) But also when Muslims are majorities in their own countries, they also can't live by their own law/system, because you (on the other side of the world) say they can't? As you can imagine you'd say to someone who tried to dictate to you what you should implement in your own country... shove it.

It's not going to matter to me too much one way or another. The muslims in Nigeria are not the absolute majority, but are roughly equal to those of other religions who do not want sharia.


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There are roughly the same number of Muslims and Christians in a country of 120 million people, which means that Nigeria has one of the largest communities of Muslims anywhere in the world.       Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo President Obasanjo refers to Nigeria as a 'multi-religious' country Guide to Islam worldwide Although the majority of the population of Nigeria's northern states are Muslim, there are many Christians living there as well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3155279.stm

So they only get to impose their law on everyone else with warfare and violence. Roughly half the country doesnt want to be ruled by sharia, and that assumes that *all* the muslims DO want to be ruled by sharia. At least some of them must not wanted to be. Other people do not want to be ruled by sharia, and why should they be with threats and intimidation. There will be civil war in Nigeria for sure.

yet another deceptive lie exposed.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 12^th, 2009 at 7:01pm:

Quote: Amputating a person's arm for stealing cattle? Barbarism that the rest of the world has moved on from. You call it barbarism, others call it justice.

Abu, that sentiment is irreconcilable with Australian values and unworthy of an Australian.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13^th, 2009 at 9:24am:

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 12th, 2009 at 7:01pm: Quote: Amputating a person's arm for stealing cattle? Barbarism that the rest of the world has moved on from. You call it barbarism, others call it justice. Abu, that sentiment is irreconcilable with Australian values and unworthy of an Australian.

Has the penny dropped yet for you helian? His loyalties lie elsewhere. He should be stripped of his citizenship and sent packing to join the ummah somewhere else.

Calanen wrote on Jul 13^th, 2009 at 9:55am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 13th, 2009 at 9:24am: abu_rashid wrote on Jul 12th, 2009 at 7:01pm: Quote: Amputating a person's arm for stealing cattle? Barbarism that the rest of the world has moved on from. You call it barbarism, others call it justice. Abu, that sentiment is irreconcilable with Australian values and unworthy of an Australian. Has the penny dropped yet for you helian? His loyalties lie elsewhere. He should be stripped of his citizenship and sent packing to join the ummah somewhere else.

I'm not on that horse... He's wrong on that count.... gravely wrong... But I'm not ready to have him frog-marched to the ship for expressing a wrong opinion.

helian,


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Abu, that sentiment is irreconcilable with Australian values and unworthy of an Australian.

There are many many Australians who support capital/physical punishments for a wide variety of crimes, are you suggesting all of them are also promoting something irreconcilable with Australian values or that they are unworthy of being Australians? Some of them also lobby for them to be implemented here. I do nothing of the kind. I merely provided an argument that not everyone thinks community service or fines or a caution are sufficient deterrents for thieves.

I think you're reacting a little strongly here, please re-read my statements.

Some light reading for you:

Capital punishment still has majority support in Australia
Australians expect the Bali bombers to be executed (Wasn't too un-Australian then was it? In fact it was un-Australian to say otherwise)
Facebook group dedicated to reinstating capital punishment in Australia
AFP cooperates in cases leading to application of capital punishment

Just out of curiosity Calanen do you support the reintroduction of the death penalty for those found guilty of committing terrorism?

Or torture by intelligence services to extract information in terrorist cases that could prevent further terrorist attacks?

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 13^th, 2009 at 11:24am:

Just out of curiosity Calanen do you support the reintroduction of the death penalty for those found guilty of committing terrorism?

I support the death penalty for terrorist attacks. It was in the Commonwealth Act, still, for treason until 2002. And that includes the IRA or anyone else, white supremacists, whoever.


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Or torture by intelligence services to extract information in terrorist cases that could prevent further terrorist attacks?

I don't support torture in any form. I support people being placed under *pressure* in interrogation, but that's it. Torture is not within our repertoire.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 13^th, 2009 at 11:22am:

helian, Quote: Abu, that sentiment is irreconcilable with Australian values and unworthy of an Australian. There are many many Australians who support capital/physical punishments for a wide variety of crimes, are you suggesting all of them are also promoting something irreconcilable with Australian values or that they are unworthy of being Australians? Some of them also lobby for them to be implemented here. I do nothing of the kind. I merely provided an argument that not everyone thinks community service or fines or a caution are sufficient deterrents for thieves. I think you're reacting a little strongly here, please re-read my statements. Some light reading for you: Capital punishment still has majority support in Australia Australians expect the Bali bombers to be executed (Wasn't too un-Australian then was it? In fact it was un-Australian to say otherwise) Facebook group dedicated to reinstating capital punishment in Australia AFP cooperates in cases leading to application of capital punishment

I think the severing of a limb for theft is an unacceptable brutality as a form of punishment in a modern society.

I don't agree with capital punishment, but I can see the difference between theft and murder.

Maybe a majority of Australians do truly support capital punishment, maybe like the Schappele Corby fiasco, its emotions born of a mob mentality or maybe, as with Americans in the US claiming to be practising Christians, they agree with it because they think they should. If all Americans who claimed to be practising Christians, were in fact practising Christians, then those 3/4 empty churches across the US would be full and there probably wouldn't be enough churches in the US to accommodate them.

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I don't agree with capital punishment, but I can see the difference between theft and murder.

Yes, they're seperated by about the same degree as amputating a hand compared to decapitating, strangulation with a rope, injecting with lethal poisons or frying with high electric currents. Agreed.

Either way, nowhere in any of my posts did I even remotely hint at supporting implementing it. I merely contrasted it with those who implement capital punishment in our 'friendly' allied countries, or who call for implementing it here in Australia, neither of whom I think you'd use the statements you used for me.

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I support the death penalty for terrorist attacks.

Ok, so even if I did support amputations for theft (which I certainly am not lobbying or calling for), then you'd be supporting a much stronger form of punishment (ie. the ultimate punishment, taking one's very life from them). I don't think it has anything to do with amputation being any more barbaric, because it's simply not more barbaric than execution, it's more about your (all of Western society's in fact) light view of theft.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 13^th, 2009 at 11:43am:

Quote: I don't agree with capital punishment, but I can see the difference between theft and murder. Yes, they're seperated by about the same degree as amputating a hand compared to decapitating, strangulation with a rope, injecting with lethal poisons or frying with high electric currents. Agreed. Either way, nowhere in any of my posts did I even remotely hint at supporting implementing it. I merely contrasted it with those who implement capital punishment in our 'friendy' allied countries, or who call for implementing it here in Australia, neither of whom I think you'd use the statements you used for me.

They're separated by the gravity of the crime.

But anyway, if you don't include yourself in the number who call it justice as opposed to barbarity, then... all good.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 13^th, 2009 at 11:24am:

Just out of curiosity Calanen do you support the reintroduction of the death penalty for those found guilty of committing terrorism?

http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg
IS THIS FREEDOM OF SPEECH?
OR INCITEMENT TO SEDITION?
OR INCITEMENT TO MURDER?
WHAT SHOULD BE DONE TO THESE PEOPLE, IF ANYTHING?


Read their placards...

“Slay those who insult Islam”
“Behead those who insult Islam”
“Massacre those who insult Islam”
“Butcher those who mock Islam”
“Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way”
“Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way”
“Exterminate those who slander Islam”
“Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer”
“Islam will dominate the world”
“Freedom go to hell”
“Europe take some lessons from 9/11”
“Be prepared for the real Holocaust”
“BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders”


Is this freedom of speech?







abu,

If such a display [against ISLAMIC rule] occurred in a Sharia jurisdiction, or an ISLAMIC country, what would be the result?
....[ah, e.g. IRAN of recent days.]


So abu, should we punish those moslems in the UK [image above], with the same penalties which ISLAM dictates for such occasions?

And wouldn't such a punishment be just?

I think that, Yes, it would.

Should we [non-moslems] slay such people, 'without mercy'?

This not me saying this, this is me, requiring that moslems, should be judged and punished according to their own law regarding fomenting civil disturbance and sedition.




The punishment spoken of in the Koran, for sedition against ISLAMIC regimes, is execution (without mercy).....

"Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City, desist not, We shall certainly stir thee up against them: Then will they not be able to stay in it as thy neighbours for any length of time:
They shall have a curse on them: whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."
Koran 33:60,61i
+++++++++







Proverbs 22:24
Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go:
25  Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul.

As usual Yadda, you're unable to actually follow the program, and instead diverge off into some holy biblical apocalyptic rant (with oddly placed links, images and spacing to boot).

Let me try to steer you back onto the path a little. We're discussing what kinds of punishments are barbaric or excessive, not what Muslims in some European country (supposedly) painted onto placards, after all, remember the bombed out bus with the "Islam is peace" sign? We both know that the 'jihadwatch' nuts are quite creative digital artists/enhancers.

do the jihadwatch nuts have a book that tells them to murder those that leave them?

thought not.


only a dreadful baseless ideology would do that.

Sprint,

You have a book which tells you to execute the one who strays from the fold, the only difference is, you claim to believe in your book but completely disobey and mock it's contents. We actually believe in ours.

Yes we know all the usual crap about "We don't follow the OT anymore", it just means you're a pack of hypocrites, and also that you recognise at least at some point it was a holy and divinely commanded act.


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only a dreadful baseless ideology would do that.

Then your religion is based on a dreadful and baseless ideology.

What can be said about that which is based on something which is itself baseless?

abu - i cant recall reading where the bible says to kill those who want to not be christians.
where is it ?

I have never followed the OT, I'm a christian, not a jew.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 13^th, 2009 at 1:39pm:

I have never followed the OT, I'm a christian, not a jew.

What?! No ten commandments? Don't tell me you've loved all your enemies...

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 13^th, 2009 at 12:57pm:

As usual Yadda, you're unable to actually follow the program, and instead diverge off into some holy biblical apocalyptic rant (with oddly placed links, images and spacing to boot). Let me try to steer you back onto the path a little. We're discussing what kinds of punishments are barbaric or excessive, not what Muslims in some European country (supposedly) painted onto placards, after all, remember the bombed out bus with the "Islam is peace" sign? We both know that the 'jihadwatch' nuts are quite creative digital artists/enhancers.

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/beersheva8.04.jpg

Yep,

It is 'magical' what those infidels can accomplish, with Paintshop!!!
/sarc off

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 13^th, 2009 at 12:57pm:

.....after all, remember the bombed out bus with the "Islam is peace" sign? We both know that the 'jihadwatch' nuts are quite creative digital artists/enhancers.

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Yep, It is 'magical' what those infidels can accomplish, with Paintshop!!!

http://aproposofnothing.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/please-kick-our-asses.jpg



If only!          ;D