Bombs explode at Jakarta hotels: police
July 17, 2009 - 11:36AM

Police say bombs have exploded at two hotels in the Indonesian capital Jakarta.

The facade of the Ritz-Carlton hotel was blown off in one blast this morning and another explosion hit the Marriott hotel, police said.

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An Associated Press reporter saw three injured taken away from the Ritz.

The Department of Foreign Affairs was aware of reports of an explosion and was in contact with the Australian embassy in Jakarta to investigate what happened, a spokeswoman said.

The Marriott was bombed in 2003, killing 11 Indonesians and a Dutch banker.

And it is five years since the Australian embassy in Jakarta was bombed, killing 10 people and wounding 161 in September 2004.

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Islam is religion of crazy extremists.

tallow - whatever makes you bring islam into this thread ?

Ritz-Carlton and Marriott Hotels are definitely seen by them as symbols of First World

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 17^th, 2009 at 1:52pm:

tallow - whatever makes you bring islam into this thread ?

Exactly right, it could have been ANYBODY. Only Islamophobes would say that those responsible were muslims. For example, it could easily have been:

- dissident farmers unhappy with the price of grain;

- criminals looking to collect a debt;

- Hindu or Buddhist separatists;

- an accidental gas explosion in two separate places at the same time.

So please stop being racist and islamophobic and biggotted. Until we know that the bombers have sworn on the koran and are not members of mossad impersonating muslims, we should say that it could have been any person of any random religion just throwing bombs around for no particular purpose.

Can't imagine there's any doubt about the likely suspects.

The real question is what the Indonesian authorities will do about it. I believe they'll do what we'd expect of a democratic state under the rule of law and go after the culprits hard.

tallowood wrote on Jul 17^th, 2009 at 1:26pm:

Islam is religion of crazy extremists.

It's the Pentecostal Liberation Front or the Zionist Dentists' Brigade. For sure.

While, and in those places where, ISLAM retains adherents, the 'struggle' against the 'un-believers' will continue.




".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies): spoils have been made lawful to me:"
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/004.smt.html#004.1062


"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.220


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/047.qmt.html#009.023




http://www.israelnewsagency.com/beersheva8.04.jpg
".....Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."

Yeh its probably not Islamic...  the probability being it's not is about 1 billion to one.

Maybe it was an act of GOD.

In some respects everything is an act of God Skippy.
But I don't expect you to understand that either.

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2009 at 1:48pm:

In some respects everything is an act of God Skippy. But I don't expect you to understand that either.

Yesum master. :-?

You know...  most times you are a complete goose...  this is no exception.

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2009 at 2:31pm:

You know...  most times you are a complete goose...  this is no exception.

Ohh, ain't he sweet, he must have missed me, no one to make him look stupid.

yawn  DWMT
be an imbicile to someone else you bore me.

JI planted and exploded those bombs. Islamists bringing their brand of peace, love, light and Allah.

bugger'em

tallow - looks like your intuition was correct.
the officials are looking for a Noordin Mohammad Top in relation to the terrorism bombing.
he is a MUSLIM and has been a prvious TERRORIST bomber with JI.

why do MUSLIMS do this abu ?

abu is off hiding, so he can start excusing Islam again when the fuss dies down over these bombings.

shall we guess what the abusive dictatorial abu might say ?

"that's not islam", or "it's a plot by the jews".


you're a smacking insult to (almost) any belief abu.

It is Islam's death knell that it has been sucked into being a political movement. Finally it is emptied out of all lasting spiritual force and is nothing more than a political force for our times. And a violent, bloodthirsty force at that. This is it's last gasp.

How fresh the Bolshevics seemed in the late 19th century. The Fascists in the 1920's in Italy and Germany. But thet both descended into blood-lust when their survival was under threat. Adn they have not survived except as loser-cults.

Islam, having been emptied of all vitality over the last few centuries, is finally gasping for relevance in politics. But that is the end of a religion, a spiritual force, a cultural phenomenon. Politics is the passing parade, the stuff of newspapers. Islam is living through it's last flare-up before the lights go out forever.

soren - yes, I think free people demand that any religion and a political system are isolated.

Even many of those that are trapped within islam are demanding its change.

mohammad invented islam as a violent relentless political vehicle.
people don't accept that now.

Some very interesting sentences here that indicate islamics ways .
The free world just can't accept their ideology.

islamiocs and muslims go hand in hand.




Quote:

THE Jakarta bombers aimed to destabilise Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's technocratic, mainstream, economically liberal government days after its landslide re-election, says one of Australia's leading Indonesia experts. Tim Lindsey, director of Melbourne University's Asian Law Centre and chairman of the Australia Indonesia Institute, said yesterday that although the number of supporters of terrorist violence in the country of 240 million was "almost unmeasurably tiny", they could not be entirely eradicated. Professor Lindsey said even Jemaah Islamiah's claim to have 5000 members was probably exaggerated. "But this group is incredibly successful, given their lack of resources and of support," he said. "They have been there for 60 years, and over and over again their extremist views have been defeated at the ballot box. None of the presidential candidates was backed by Islamist parties. "Nevertheless, they have been able to dominate foreign perceptions of Indonesia, and to drive foreign policy and security policy, in their aim to weaken governments. This time, as before, they have sought to give the impression the SBY administration has been caught on the hop. "They are saying through the bombings, 'Here we still are, you haven't beaten us. You can have your democracy, but we are still fighting'." The extremists tended to choose as targets places attacked before, such as the JW Marriott hotel and Bali, where security was stiffer, "in order to reinforce that message 'You can't stop us'." Professor Lindsey said Indonesia had led a highly successful crackdown on the Islamists. "They have arrested 400, who have been convicted in fair and open trials," he said. "A weakness, though, is that many will come straight out of jail and do it again. That's where intelligence comes in. But this is a very fragmented group, hard to track. It's not the Coca-Cola corporation." The revival of democracy in Indonesia had gone tandem with a revival in Islam, he said. "This is absolute anathema to JI -- it's their worst nightmare." The goals of JI and similar groups that had evolved from Darul Islam in Indonesia 60 years ago were "quite clear and unambiguous -- to destabilise the Indonesian state through terrorist attacks, causing it to lose face and to turn inward, and to set up instead an Islamist caliphate". In the 1950s, 20,000 people were killed during Darul Islam's war with the state. "Many of those involved in JI have kinship with those originally caught up in Darul Islam," Professor Lindsey said. "They won't abandon what has become a family tradition. It can't be stopped, despite the spectacularly successful partnership between the Indonesian and Australian Federal Police. It is a feature of that society. "The Indonesian government has been incredibly successful in containing it," he said. "But you only need a small number of followers to kill people."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25806618-5013404,00.html

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 2:11pm:

tallow - looks like your intuition was correct. the officials are looking for a Noordin Mohammad Top in relation to the terrorism bombing. he is a MUSLIM and has been a prvious TERRORIST bomber with JI. why do MUSLIMS do this abu ?

Sprint, it wasn't intuition. It was interpolation based on results of trend analyses.

Ah right. sorry tallow.
Looks like your "interpolation based on results of trend analyses" was correct .

;)

tallow - your interpolation is further vindicated.


Quote:

The message, issued in the name of Noordin Mohammed Top, says the Jakarta hotel blasts were carried out by a splinter faction of the al-Qaeda-linked regional militant group Jemaah Islamiyah. It says the attacks, which killed seven people and wounded more than 50, targeted the American business community. Written in Arabic and Indonesian, the message was posted on a previously unknown website on Sunday. An expert on regional terrorism said the language resembles prior claims by Muslim extremist groups and may be authentic.

http://www.news24.com/Content/World/News/1073/9e2ca70133a54cbb91c553d832bac9c1/29-07-2009%2002-07/Terrorist_claims_hotel_blasts

apparently he used quotes from the koran to justify his actions.
Will some muslim will stand up publically and disprove his given quotes ?