An open letter to Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd

2009-Jul-18   Sat 6:31 am

Dear Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd,


"Kevin Rudd condemns 'barbaric' Jakarta bombing attacks"
"Kevin Rudd condemns act of murder in Jakarta"

I watched the television news last night, i watched the accounts of the latest ISLAMIST attacks in Jakarta, and i watched you, Australia's Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, denounce the 'terrorists' responsible for the damage and casualties.

As i watched that presentation, the feeling that overwhelmed me, particularly as i watched you, Kevin Rudd speak, was a feeling that you, Kevin Rudd, and the leaders of all other nations in this world, and the peoples of all those nations [many of them, at least], are living in a state of denial.

I know only too well, that many among us, wish to believe that ISLAM proper, is not responsible, for these repeated outrages, and for the daily acts of terrorism, perpetrated in ISLAM's name, by 'a small minority' of ISLAM's adherents.

And i know that moslems insist and assert, to us non-moslems, that ISLAM is a peaceful, tolerant religion.

But such assertions about ISLAM, are lies, they are falsehoods, which the philosophy of ISLAM itself, promotes, and fosters, to protect itself in this war.

A war, which ISLAM is conducting against all non-moslems.

The TRUTH is, that ISLAM is not a peaceful philosophy.

And ISLAM is not tolerant.

And that, ISLAM is a 'religion', in name only.

All moslems are taught from childhood, not to value the ethic of human equality.....
.....but they are taught that ISLAM, and moslems should have a [the!] superior status, in all societies.

This is TRUE.

Upon examination of the facts about ISLAM, the undeniable TRUTH is that ISLAM, is a death cult, and ISLAM is a 'religion', of war.

And, that ISLAM is, in effect, the political party of Allah, 'the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful'.

The TRUTH is that ISLAM is a political, fascist philosophy, masquerading as a 'religion'.



A cursory examination of the facts, about ISLAM, an examination of ISLAM's very own tenets, ISLAM's very own 'scriptures', and ISLAM's very own doctrines, DECLARES, OPENLY, AND CLEARLY, that ISLAM, and all devout moslems are in a state of un-ending warfare with the 'enemies' of Allah, that is, all 'unbelievers' [i.e. all non-moslems].

ISLAM's scripture and its history, all declare the same thing, that same TRUTH.

And ISLAM's 'religious' mantra is, that all those non-moslems [wherever moslems live with them!] must be subjugated [enslaved], and that those non-moslems who resist such subjugation, 'rightly' must be killed for their 'crime', against 'Allah's Cause' [the spread of ISLAMIC hegemony].

The Koran itself justifies such actions....

"Those who reject Allah, and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah, then die rejecting Allah,- Allah will not forgive them."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/047.qmt.html#047.034



In those areas where ISLAM slowly [or quickly!] becomes politically, and numerically superior, and has the means, there is a 'religious' obligation upon all moslems to press ISLAM's [political] claims, using all 'justifiable' violence, to establish the sovereignty of Allah, and his followers, over the native peoples of that area.

Alternatively, in those areas where ISLAM is still politically weak, and where moslems are numerically weak, ISLAM seeks to deceive, and to culturally, and materially, weaken those non-moslem societies.

These doctrines [of ISLAMIC violence, and ISLAM's declared, and sought after hegemony over non-moslems] are clearly set out, within ISLAM's own 'scriptures', which are ISLAM's own foundation documents.

And it is undeniable that the Koran, and the Hadith [ISLAM's own foundation 'scriptures'], themselves, ARE THE SOURCE, and inspiration, of all ISLAMIC violence against all non-moslems in this world.

And i ask, why do scholars and politicians in the West deny this fact?

I WILL SAY IT AGAIN.....
The Koran, and the Hadith [ISLAM's foundation 'scriptures'], themselves, ARE THE SOURCE, and inspiration, of 'justified' moslem violence against all non-moslems.






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These are just a few examples in ISLAM's own 'scriptures', justifying the violence of the Jihad, against non-moslems,

The Hadith...

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.196

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.065

"Allah's Apostle said, "Allah welcomes two men with a smile; one of whom kills the other and both of them enter Paradise. One fights in Allah's Cause and gets killed. Later on Allah forgives the 'killer who also get martyred (In Allah's Cause)." "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.080i

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/002.sbt.html#001.002.025

The Koran...

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.023

These [above] are just a few examples, from many such verses, which encourage and and justify, moslem violence 'In Allah's Cause', against all non-moslems, everywhere.

Why do you continue to deny this TRUTH about ISLAM......Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd ?

Denial, denial, denial, for the sake of a mistaken 'tolerance'?

True tolerance is commendable.

But the 'tolerance' of what is clearly an evil in our midst, IS A SHAME UPON US ALL, and is not true tolerance.



"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."
Thomas Mann
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Mann



I would also commend you to listen also to this eloquent exposure, of all those lies spoken by the USA President, Barak Obama, in his 'approachment to ISLAM' speech, given in his recent Cairo address.

YOUTTUBE,
Part 208 - Obama and Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-36Ntnpa0o


The TRUTH about ISLAM is clear, and the TRUTH about ISLAM is not hidden beyond discovery.

Yet the peoples of the world, and the political leaders of those peoples, and nations, still, stubbornly, and regularly, mouth denials of these TRUTHS, regarding the nature of ISLAM.

Why is that so?

Is it because of our dependence upon gulf oil supplies?

If that is the reason, then we should say it!

And face up to that TRUTH.

But we should never pretend, that we 'respect' what is evil.





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WHAT SHOULD BE DONE [here, in Australia] REGARDING ISLAM?

We must stop living in denial, about the nature, of the political philosophy called ISLAM.

No matter what the cost, we must separate ourselves from this lying, evil, and wicked philosophy, which is called ISLAM.

Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, stop listening to your ISLAMIC advisor's in Government.

THEY ARE LYING TO YOU, AND THEY ARE LYING TO THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE, about the nature, of ISLAM.

Do not listen to their LIES, and DENIALS, to their protestations, that devout moslems living in Australia are peaceful, and tolerant.
....SUCH PROTESTATIONS, ARE OUT AND OUT LIES.




What can we positively do?

If we as a people really want to do what is right, and what is moral, we must decide to separate ourselves from this evil.

We must choose to separate ourselves from ISLAM, and devout moslems.

How?

Individual 'nominal' 'muslims', who live among us are not the problem.

But the evil political philosophy called, ISLAM, is the problem.

We should allow those nominal, 'ethnic' 'muslims' who are prepared to denounce, and deny ISLAM, AND who declare that they embrace Australian values, to live among us.

But we must remove every influence of ISLAM, from among us.

It should be our governments policy,

• to immediately close or destroy all mosques,
  
• to immediately deport all imam's [clerics] [stripping them of any Australian citizenship],
  
• to, upon discovery, within Australia, deport any [and every] person who claims to practice, and follow, the political philosophy called, ISLAM [stripping them of Australian citizenship].
  

If they are Australian born, no matter.

Either deport them to an ISLAMIC 'paradise', or detain them here in Australia, indefinitely.

Why should we do these things?

Because we have made a mistake, in welcoming this vile, and evil philosophy into Australia.

Because evil, and wicked ISLAM, is incompatible with our Australian lifestyle and values,
and because,
ISLAM - IS A DEATH CULT.

Read, and re-read, these earnest words of admonition, from a respected ISLAMIC scholar, to all the 'brothers' of ISLAM,

"......in the words of Islamism's most influential thinker, Sayyid Qutb,
....."the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood." "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8802-2243871,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb


I have so much more to say, on this issue [ISLAM] but this will do for now.

Nothing will be done in this country until there is a huge terrorist act by people of that faith.

Even then many politicians will defend and be apologists for them.  Both major parties will support them and wring their hands and be appalled by the INDIVIDUALS who perpetrated such and act.

End of story.

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to immediately close or destroy all mosques, to immediately deport all imam's [clerics] [stripping them of any Australian citizenship], to, upon discovery, within Australia, deport any [and every] person who claims to practice, and follow, the political philosophy called, ISLAM [stripping them of Australian citizenship].

Do you really think Kevvy would bother to sit down and read this s hit, no doubt one of his lackeys had a look and passed it on to ASIO to deal with the extremist who sent it.

I think you'll find its against the law to destroy places of worship just because you disagree with them.

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to immediately close or destroy all mosques,

Yadda, don't you understand that what you're advocating is the same as the retard mentality of those in Indonesia who did this and who you despise so much. For you to call on the destruction of Mosques is a call for terrorism.
Like I always say, all you god botherers are f###kin loonies whether  you follow Islam or Christianity.

wrote on Jul 18^th, 2009 at 3:06pm:

Quote: to immediately close or destroy all mosques, to immediately deport all imam's [clerics] [stripping them of any Australian citizenship], to, upon discovery, within Australia, deport any [and every] person who claims to practice, and follow, the political philosophy called, ISLAM [stripping them of Australian citizenship]. Do you really think Kevvy would bother to sit down and read this s hit,

No.




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.....no doubt one of his lackeys had a look and passed it on to ASIO to deal with the extremist who sent it. I think you'll find its against the law to destroy places of worship just because you disagree with them.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.



ISLAM isn't a religion, and ISLAM does not have places of worship.

ISLAM is a criminal gang, plotting to enslave, or murder, non-moslems.

And i speak out about it.

Some ppl don't like that.

And it is a crime, maybe.

Crucify me.

Again, The more things change, the more they stay the same.




To preach of peace and brotherhood,
Oh, what might be the cost!
A man he did it long ago
And they hung him on a cross.
Long ago, far away;
These things don't happen
No more, nowadays.
Bob Dylan

wrote on Jul 18^th, 2009 at 3:14pm:

Quote: to immediately close or destroy all mosques, Yadda, don't you understand that what you're advocating is the same as the retard mentality of those in Indonesia who did this and who you despise so much. For you to call on the destruction of Mosques is a call for terrorism. Like I always say, all you god botherers are f###kin loonies whether  you follow Islam or Christianity.

skip,

Paraphrasing what you said above.....

To call for judgement against evil, ......to call for that, is a sickness [terrorism].



skip,

People like you, are what is wrong with Australia today.

Nobody will speak the TRUTH, about what is evil.

Nobody in this country, will condemn what is clearly evil.

Instead, those who call for judgement against evil, are disparaged, and castigated, as being 'intolerant'.i+++++++++++







Psalms 37:30
The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

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Nobody will speak the TRUTH, about what is evil.

Yadda, what happenned in Indonesia is evil, but what you advocate is also, two wrongs don't make a right.

I think ALL EXTREMIST ACTS IN THE NAME OF RELIGION IS EVIL.

Yadda, you are dropping yourself down to their level by calling for acts of terrorism your self.

Someone every politician dreads... The over-medicated  crackpot.

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2009 at 3:03pm:

Nothing will be done in this country until there is a huge terrorist act by people of that faith. Even then many politicians will defend and be apologists for them.  Both major parties will support them and wring their hands and be appalled by the INDIVIDUALS who perpetrated such and act. End of story.

Grendel,

So true!

In fact your description of the after events, should such a terrorist outrage happen in Australia, sounds so much, like what actually did happen, in the USA, after 9/11!

Days after the 9/11 outrage, Bush immediately came out with words to the effect, that,
"ISLAM is a religion of peace, and that such an act [9/11] could never be attributed to a lovely religion like ISLAM."


Bush's comments about ISLAM, in the days following 9/11 were surreal !

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 18^th, 2009 at 3:40pm:

Someone every politician dreads... The over-medicated  crackpot.

LOL - Valium should be quite effective in this case. ;D

Do you think the predominantly Muslim Indonesian police and Indonesian authorities in general are anything other than appalled by this barbarous attack?

muso wrote on Jul 18^th, 2009 at 9:17pm:

Do you think the predominantly Muslim Indonesian police and Indonesian authorities in general are anything other than appalled by this barbarous attack?

I believe they'll prove to be as determined to hunt them down as Australia would be, had it happened here.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 18^th, 2009 at 3:40pm:

Someone every politician dreads... The over-medicated  crackpot.

helian,

I have no doubt that according to yourself....

helian is a lateral thinker, with a differing point of view.
skippy is a deep thinker, who is argumentative, but sensible.
whereas, sprint is an irrational, unreasonable, neocon.
And Yadda is an over-medicated crackpot.

Yep, and all is well with the world.

And utopia is going to spring into existence, in about 5 minutes time.



Or perhaps i interpreted you comment incorrectly, and your attribution, of "The over-medicated  crackpot." is  directed towards skippy?      


            ;D        ;D         ;Di++++++++







Proverbs 24:23
These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment.
24  He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:
25  But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon them.

wrote on Jul 18^th, 2009 at 3:06pm:

Quote: to immediately close or destroy all mosques, to immediately deport all imam's [clerics] [stripping them of any Australian citizenship], to, upon discovery, within Australia, deport any [and every] person who claims to practice, and follow, the political philosophy called, ISLAM [stripping them of Australian citizenship]. Do you really think Kevvy would bother to sit down and read this s hit, no doubt one of his lackeys had a look and passed it on to ASIO to deal with the extremist who sent it. I think you'll find its against the law to destroy places of worship just because you disagree with them.

skip,

According to your friend, Aussie Skinhead, i haven't got a thing to worry about.



Quote:

The Australian Protectionist Party is a Christian Zionist organisation that supports the Jewish fundamentalist state of Israel. It also has links with the Australian Security and Intelligence Organisation and the Australian Federal Police. It was created to divide the nationalist patriotic movement in Australia. It must be exposed denounced and punished. In fact, Darrin Hodges, the New South Wales Chairman of the Zionist front, is him self a Christian Zionist.

"Australian Protectionist Party"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1247286288/1#1



According to your friend, Aussie Skinhead, the Australian intelligence community is a Zionist camp!

I certainly hope so!!!!

pssst!.....
The Australian intelligence community is probably run by double agents, working for Mossad !!!

    ;D         ;D         ;D





To me your friend, Aussie Skinhead, writes just like a Hezbollah 'plant', in this forum.

I hope my friends in ASIO are monitoring this [my] post, and that in future they will be watching your friend, AS closely!!

LOL



Anyway skip, i think that i will continue to exercise my freedom of speech, and continue to express my point of view.

Wonder what Rudd or any PM would think about an email so written?

"Get me the AFP. We need to track this crackpot... What if he blows up a mosque and it gets out I was forewarned by a crazed email he sent?'.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 11:04am:

Wonder what Rudd or any PM would think about an email so written? "Get me the AFP. We need to track this crackpot... What if he blows up a mosque and it gets out I was forewarned by a crazed email he sent?'.

Maybe Kev could ask Malcolm Turnbull about it.
[......with all of Malcolm's experience with unsolicited emails.]

::)

Yadda wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 12:16pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 19th, 2009 at 11:04am: Wonder what Rudd or any PM would think about an email so written? "Get me the AFP. We need to track this crackpot... What if he blows up a mosque and it gets out I was forewarned by a crazed email he sent?'. Maybe Kev could ask Malcolm Turnbull [experience with unsolicited emails] about it.

I don't think he'd need Malcolm to recognise a crackpot's email.

I don't recall anyone ever stating we should or they would Blow-up Mosques...  is that just more alarmist emotive claptrap.

Grendel wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 12:18pm:

I don't recall anyone ever stating we should or they would Blow-up Mosques...  is that just more alarmist emotive claptrap.

From an abundance of caution where public figures and crackpots are concerned.

Grendel wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 12:18pm:

I don't recall anyone ever stating we should or they would Blow-up Mosques...  is that just more alarmist emotive claptrap.

No its not, your mate yadda said this


Quote:

immediately close or destroy all mosques

You should learn to read all the posts before you comment.

Yeah I already read that Skippeee....  and it still doesn't say anyone is going to go around blowing up mosques.

Oh and BTW I don't think Yadda and I have a close personal relationship.

You should learn English...  (might be a good start)  :D

Grendel wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 1:46pm:

Yeah I already read that Skippeee....  and it still doesn't say anyone is going to go around blowing up mosques. Oh and BTW I don't think Yadda and I have a close personal relationship. You should learn English...  (might be a good start)  :D

No, just DESTROY them.
Its not hard to work out which of the seven dwarfs you are.

NOT A VERY CLEAR ADMISSION OF YOU BEING WRONG AGAIN.
NOR ANY SIGN OF AN APOLOGY.

Well unlike you, I'm not Dopey... Skipeee...

When you demolish a building Goofy... (yet another Disney character you have much in common with)...  what do you do to it?

Oh that's right you DESTROY it. :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 2:28pm:

NOT A VERY CLEAR ADMISSION OF YOU BEING WRONG AGAIN. NOR ANY SIGN OF AN APOLOGY. Well unlike you, I'm not Dopey... Skipeee... When you demolish a building Goofy... (yet another Disney character you have much in common with)...  what do you do to it? Oh that's right you DESTROY it. :D :D :D

And whats the most popular way to demolish buildings nowadays dopey?

Oh that's right, blow the f88k out of it, retard.

wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 12:49pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 19th, 2009 at 12:18pm: I don't recall anyone ever stating we should or they would Blow-up Mosques...  is that just more alarmist emotive claptrap. No its not, your mate yadda said this Quote: immediately close or destroy all mosques You should learn to read all the posts before you comment.

skip,

Liar, lair, pants on fire.






This, is what i truly said......


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It should be our governments policy,    * to immediately close or destroy all mosques,    * to immediately deport all imam's [clerics] [stripping them of any Australian citizenship],    * to, upon discovery, within Australia, deport any [and every] person who claims to practice, and follow, the political philosophy called, ISLAM [stripping them of Australian citizenship].

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1247892235/2#2

You said it , it makes up your first line in your extremist demands on our PM re your solution on how to deal with Muslims in our country.
Don't bother trying to back out of your extremist beliefs now, ASIO would already have a copy from Kevvy's office,they'll be in touch soon, no doubt.

ROTFLMAO...

So what are you trying to say Skipeeee in an effort to squirm out of your stupidity?

That all building demolition men are TERRORISTS or mad or mad Terrorists?  Or the government is?  Or?   :D :D :D

[quote author=grendel link=1247892235/15#27 date=1247985843]ROTFLMAO...

So what are you trying to say Skipeeee in an effort to squirm out of your stupidity?

That all building demolition men are TERRORISTS or mad or mad Terrorists?  Or the government is?  Or?   :D :D :D


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Ha ha ha, I don't need to squirm out of anything, I'm not stupid enough to write extremist letters to the PM, nor stupid enough to condone them.
You go on advocating that yadda is not trying to incite terrorism with his calls "to immediately close or DESTROY all mosques".

Did it make you want to run out and blow-up mosques Skipeeee?  :D :D :D

Funny...  didn't have that effect on me  ;)  ;D

Grendel wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 1:46pm:

Yeah I already read that Skippeee....  and it still doesn't say anyone is going to go around blowing up mosques. Oh and BTW I don't think Yadda and I have a close personal relationship. You should learn English...  (might be a good start)  :D

"Skipeeee"  ?


lead by example boof..might be a good start   .

Whose "boof" Ogly...  people in glass houses should shut the bugger up.

Grendel wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 10:42pm:

Whose "boof" Ogly...  people in glass houses should shut the bugger up.

be nice...

Grendel wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 10:42pm:

Whose "boof" Ogly...  people in glass houses should shut the bugger up.

Always the gentleman. ::)

wrote on Jul 19^th, 2009 at 5:22pm:

Ha ha ha, I don't need to squirm out of anything, I'm not stupid enough to write extremist letters to the PM, nor stupid enough to condone them. You go on advocating that yadda, is not trying to incite terrorism with his calls "to immediately close or DESTROY all mosques".

skip,

You are repeating the mantra of the ISLAMISTS, and all of the 'moderate' moslems everywhere.

Which is?

That ISLAM is tolerant, and non-violent.

That those [like myslef] who criticise ISLAM, and its violence, and the terrorism of moslems, ARE THE REAL TERRORISTS.







THE ISLAMIC SPIN, AND ISLAMIC LOGIC, BEING PERPETRATED AGAINST US.....

Indonesian bombers are really, fighting terrorism, Western terrorism [the kuffar 'hatred' of ISLAM]...

Bashir calls bombers 'counter-terrorists'
June 26, 2007
HARDLINE Islamic cleric Abu Bakar Bashir said today that extremists blamed for Indonesian bombings were role models for other Muslims and feted them as "counter-terrorists."
"There are no terrorists in Indonesia. What there are, are counter-terrorists," Bashir said.
......But he called on Indonesian Muslims to refrain from accusing people of terrorism, saying it would be tantamount to assisting the US.
Bashir spoke at a press conference to announce plans, together with 13 lawyers from the "Team for the Defence of Muslims," to file a suit demanding that Indonesia's counter-terrorism police unit be disbanded.
Lawyer Munarman alleged that the counter-terrorism squad was financed opaquely by the US, sought to make war against Islam and used torture to secure admissions from suspects.
He also said that the squad was discriminatory as it only acted against Muslims, adding the team planned to file the suit on tomorrow at the South Jakarta district court.
Bashir has redoubled his efforts to get Sharia law enforced in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, since his release from prison.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21973518-23109,00.html
and,
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017127.php

Did you catch that?

This muslim cleric says,

"...extremists blamed for Indonesian bombings were role models for other Muslims..."







THE ISLAMIC SPIN, AND ISLAMIC LOGIC, BEING PERPETRATED AGAINST US.....

Who are the real terrorists?

THOSE WHO OPPOSE THE VIOLENCE, AND SPREAD OF ISLAM, ARE THE TERRORISTS
......[according to apologists for ISLAM]

May 17, 2007
OIC: ‘Islamophobia Worst Form of Terrorism’
The worst form of terrorism. Worse than flying commericial airliners into high-rise office buildings. Worse than beheading preteen Christian girls on their way to school. Worse than launching attacks from civilian areas in order to use retaliatory actions to score propaganda points. The worst form of terrorism.
And with Ban Ki-Moon vowing to do the OIC's bidding more zealously than ever, watch for the UN to call for muzzling of all "criticism of Islam," i.e., exploration of the elements of Islam that the jihadists are using to encourage violence. And that will allow the jihadists to operate unhindered.
"‘Islamophobia Worst Form of Terrorism,’" by Siraj Wahab for Arab News, with thanks to LGF:
"ISLAMABAD, 17 May 2007 — Foreign ministers of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) yesterday expressed grave concern at the rising tide of discrimination and intolerance against Muslims, especially in Europe and North America. “It is something that has assumed xenophobic proportions,” they said in unison.
Speaking at a special brainstorming session on the sidelines of the 34th Islamic Conference of Foreign Ministers (ICFM), the foreign ministers termed Islamophobia the worst form of terrorism and called for practical steps to counter it."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/016486.php
http://arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=96276&d=17&m=5&y=2007
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=25516_Our_Friends_the_Saudis-_Islamophobia_the_Worst_Form_of_Terrorism&only
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=25516_Our_Friends_the_Saudis-_Islamophobia_the_Worst_Form_of_Terrorism#comments

Google,
Organization of the Islamic Conference those who criticise islam are terrorists
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Organization+of+the+Islamic+Conference+those+who+criticise+islam+are+terrorists&btnG=Search&meta=





AS ALWAYS, in our 'we must be politically correct', dominated world,

BLACK IS WHITE, AND WHITE IS BLACK.
UP IS DOWN, AND DOWN IS UP.

Where will all of these lies, all end up?

Where will they take us?




The Jihadists are really, really, good persistent at these lies, these denials of TRUTH.

Tell a lie long enough, and all of those people who know the truth will die out, or can be 'justly' killed [murdered], for 'insulting' ISLAM/Allah.

When and where that happens, the TRUTH will always be suppressed.

Is that ISLAM's strategy?

Yes, ALWAYS.

ISLAM's 'modus operandi' = = Lies, deception, violence,
.....ALWAYS.







http://www.jihadwatch.org/London_Bus_2.jpg
THE MESSAGE ON THE SIDE OF THAT BUS, TELLS THE LIE, WHICH WE EMBRACE, AND ALLOW INTO OUR HEARTS,
.....THAT 'EVIL, IS GOOD'
image source,
http://www.jihadwatch.org/London_Bus_2.jpg




With ISLAM, it is always the same...

BLACK IS WHITE, AND WHITE IS BLACK.
UP IS DOWN, AND DOWN IS UP.

TRUTH is 'hate'.
......and hate, is 'TRUTH'.







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Proverbs 24:23
These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment.
24  He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:
25  But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon them.


John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Quote:

skip, You are repeating the mantra of the ISLAMISTS, and all of the 'moderate' moslems everywhere.

No I'm not , people who advocate the destruction of buildings on religious grounds are f**kin loonies, you did that, you are no better than the loonies you are so afraid of.
Now on to important things, have ASIO been around yet?
It shouldn't be too long, as Helian said,Ruddy would look bad if they did nothing when loonies like you e mail the PM with terrorist statements.

Quote:

Christian terrorism is religious terrorism by groups or individuals, the motivation of which is typically rooted in an idiosyncratic interpretation of the Bible and other Christian tenets of faith. From the viewpoint of the terrorist, Christian scripture and theology provide justification for violent political activities

Sounds just like you yadda.

Yawn.....

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6718320,00.jpg



http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/gallery/0,26637,5033701-20581-3,00.html

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6710233,00.jpg

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6677310,00.jpg

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6668452,00.jpg


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6633146,00.jpg

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 20^th, 2009 at 3:20pm:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6710233,00.jpg

I saw this pic on tele the other day, on Insiders I think, its pretty funny and it really highlights the plight of Turnbull to look relevant, he fails miserably.

Come in agent 13, we have intercepted a transmission which rambles on in a semi-coherent fashion, but one point in the transmission was of concern, so please pass this on for further review.

'An extremist religious zealot advocates the destruction of places of worship of another faith, means of destruction unspecified.'

Now as this extremist has previously stated a belief that violent conflict with the religion he seeks to destroy is inevitable, and that he considers that he is part of a group already effectively at war with the other religion, then it is of serious concern when we hear such people speak of destroying buildings.

Reccomend placing all extremists on a small boat and towing them out to sea, where they could shout religious slogans at each other, and the first one that shows any sign of rational thought is declared the winner.

mozzaok wrote on Jul 20^th, 2009 at 6:55pm:

Come in agent 13, we have intercepted a transmission which rambles on in a semi-coherent fashion, but one point in the transmission was of concern, so please pass this on for further review. 'An extremist religious zealot advocates the destruction of places of worship of another faith, means of destruction unspecified.' Now as this extremist has previously stated a belief that violent conflict with the religion he seeks to destroy is inevitable, and that he considers that he is part of a group already effectively at war with the other religion, then it is of serious concern when we hear such people speak of destroying buildings.

Quote:

"....it is of serious concern when we hear such people speak of destroying buildings."

mozz,

There is a false implication in your words.

In the words you have used, above.




Do i really come over, as a terrorist?

Because, in my opinion, that is what your form of words, appears to be implying that i am.




I suggest, that you go back, and read again, 'the form of words', which i actually used.

"An open letter to Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1247892235/2#2

Yadda wrote on Jul 21^st, 2009 at 1:19am:

Do i really come over, as a terrorist? Because, in my opinion, that is what your form of words, appears to be implying that i am.

Considering your writing style and the content of most of your posts, I reckon you’re a fixated crackpot who might just be isolated and crazed enough to believe he has to “answer ‘god’s’ call and strike a blow for the decent white Christian” and whose zealotry would find continents of common ground with Mujahideen.

Extreme opposites find themselves at the ends of an arc such that there’s an intimate proximity to each other in motivation and character.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 21^st, 2009 at 6:50am:

Yadda wrote on Jul 21st, 2009 at 1:19am: Do i really come over, as a terrorist? Because, in my opinion, that is what your form of words, appears to be implying that i am. Considering your writing style and the content of most of your posts, I reckon you’re a fixated crackpot who might just be isolated and crazed enough to believe he has to “answer ‘god’s’ call and strike a blow for the decent white Christian” and whose zealotry would find continents of common ground with Mujahideen. Extreme opposites find themselves at the ends of an arc such that there’s an intimate proximity to each other in motivation and character.

helian,

LOL

I think we have travelled along this path before.

Read again, what i said previously.



Quote:

....I'm like all of you other ppl.....i am not chosen, i am not special.

"Churches oppose Islamic school"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1240363717/269#269




As men of this flesh, we think, we imagine, that we have 'grown up'.

In our arrogance, we know that we are adults [wise].



But in the spirit realm [in that aspect of ourselves], we are still but silly, vain, vain, children.






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Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2  And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
....
10  Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.



There i go again helian, that writing style!              ;D

I’m not saying you won’t (as you accuse your enemies of doing) mix lies with truth or dilute your real intentions.

Who knows… Maybe your ‘saving grace’ ironically is that you’re a coward.

Yadda wrote on Jul 21^st, 2009 at 7:33am:

Quote: ....I'm like all of you other ppl.....i am not chosen, i am not special.

Ah well, that proves you must be OK then...  ::)

Nothing like a bit of false humility to obscure your real feelings.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 21^st, 2009 at 7:42am:

Yadda wrote on Jul 21st, 2009 at 7:33am: Quote: ....I'm like all of you other ppl.....i am not chosen, i am not special. Ah well, that proves you must be OK then...  ::) Nothing like a bit of false modesty to obscure your real feelings.

helian,

I keep telling you the TRUTH.
.....as plainly as i can.

And you keep,
.....rejecting, the TRUTH.


And as per, you have it completely ar se about, regards your accusations against me,
".....you think you're 'special'...".



But helian, it is Mohammad, and his sycophant followers, the moslems who KNOW that they are special.

Dictionary,
sycophant = = a toady; a servile flatterer.


Just ask abu, REAL moslems can do no wrong!



The Koran,

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/033.qmt.html#033.021


And in the Koran, Allah, describes the attributes of the 'perfected', 'special' community of men, i.e. of moslems....

"Ye [muslims] are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency;"
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.110


And, Anjem Choudary - a UK moslem community leader.
Here on YOUTUBE,

"...when we say innocent people, we mean muslims."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-muslim, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a muslim....i must have *hatred* towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[muslims] allegence is always with the muslims, so i will never condemn a muslim for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4







But don't concern yourslef, about that aspect of moslems helian.

Just keep 'seeing' the 'specially chosen', 'fixated crackpot' character, of Yadda.

But whatever you do, don't see the specially chosen, fixated crackpots, in moslems.

Just keep ignoring, and turning away from the TRUTH helian.








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John 8:43
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45  And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.i

QED

You're a zealot crackpot and I wouldn't trust you as far as I could sh!t you.

I'm staying right out of this discussion. When Yadda is arrested by ASIO, I don't have the time to give evidence.  ;)

The scary thing is this terrorist doesn't think he's done anything wrong, just like the loony Muslim ones.
If its in the name of their fictitious god its ok by them.
Please come and lock this dude up ASIO, I wont be keeping quite about it when the Mosques start blowing up.
While they investigate yadda they should look at the crazy dudes who condone him too, hi boofy. 8-)

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 21^st, 2009 at 8:24am:

QED You're a zealot crackpot and I wouldn't trust you as far as I could sh!t you.

helian,

You are a 'side-stepper', someone who considers all of the 'angles', but someone who has lost touch with 'right'-angles, has lost touch with what is 'square', and probably an advisor, a 'trouble shooter'.


Dictionary,
square = =
6 fair and honest.
8 (of rhythm) simple and straightforward.

Side-stepper = = someone who will do anything rather than front up, square-up, to difficulties, when they think that it is much simpler to merely run away.

A coward.

There's no doubt in mind at all exactly what you are with your little jihad of the 'truth'. You're the sort who would at least condone attacks on Mosques, to attacks on Muslims and at worst you'd incite or partake in those attacks.

You're a disturbed, isolated crackpot who will one day need to be physically restrained.

I've found my fridge magnet and called the phone number, yadda makes me alert and alarmed.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 21^st, 2009 at 8:24am:

QED You're a zealot crackpot and I wouldn't trust you as far as I could sh!t you.

So what? You think that we just need to focus on the terrorists, which are one of many symptoms of a group that wants our society destroyed. We cannot even raise this topic according to people like yourself, let alone debate it.

You know nothing about Islam, but you know that it's really good, true Islam. Because multiculti has told you that all other religions, cultures and beliefs (except our own) are special, unique and good.

So while there are terrorists no doubt, who for some reason keep misunderstanding their religion and blowing things up, there are a huge number of people who want to destroy our society, our Western society from within. They shield themselves behind 'freedom of religion' and the multiculti glory, and people like YOU enable them with your obfuscation and apologism. They won't spare you either.

That is a far, far bigger problem for me than terrorism - because it remains unacknowledged, and cannot even be discussed.

Utter rubbish Calanen, most of those who you deem ignorant, were openly critical of the aspects of Islamic practices which are unacceptable in our society, the difference is that those people know where to draw the line, and people like you are seemingly unaware that a line exists.

As many have said to you before, if you actually promote and use the same sort of behaviour yourself, that you rail against Islam using, then your whole reason for opposing Islam, the protection of our values, goes out the window anyway.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 21^st, 2009 at 9:52am:

There's no doubt in mind at all exactly what you are with your little jihad of the 'truth'. You're the sort who would at least condone attacks on Mosques, to attacks on Muslims and at worst you'd incite or partake in those attacks. You're a disturbed, isolated crackpot who will one day need to be physically restrained.

helian,

So in your 'ideal' world, presumably, people like me should be (1) medicated, and (2) locked up?

Which, from memory, sounds awfully like how, political dissidents were often dealt with in the former Soviet Union.



You, lovely, lovely, Humanist you!, helian.

Like all Humanists, always seeking to do what is just, and to do what is open to scrutiny [...NOT].
/sarc off

As the saying goes, 'The more things change, the more they remain the same.'

i.e. More [political tactic of] 'avoidance' [of the issue].

i.e. The politics of, 'Shoot the messenger.'


Dictionary,
humanism = = a rationalistic outlook or system of thought attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters.



helian,

I hope that you work in politics somewhere, because that is where your real aptitude lies.



You know helian, you should really consider converting to ISLAM yourself.

You'd really fit in well.
/sarc off

mozzaok wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2009 at 7:48am:

Utter rubbish Calanen, most of those who you deem ignorant, were openly critical of the aspects of Islamic practices which are unacceptable in our society, the difference is that those people know where to draw the line, and people like you are seemingly unaware that a line exists. As many have said to you before, if you actually promote and use the same sort of behaviour yourself, that you rail against Islam using, then your whole reason for opposing Islam, the protection of our values, goes out the window anyway.

mozz,

Wrong.

I believe that Cal is 'expressing' some commendable personal values, characteristics.

That spirit, that internal human value, which identifies something which is evil, and criticises, and opposes it.





mozz,

In your argument, you are logically, effectively arguing that we should also disband our police forces,
.....because the police often have to demonstrate, and exercise, a measure of the same violence, which is in the criminals, which they seek to apprehend.

And we all know, that violence [itself] is wrong!
/sarc off

So there is no justification in police exercising 'violence', in their dealings with criminals.

Because we wouldn't want to hurt, or injure the criminals, now would we?





moz,

The spirit you express, is the spirit of Neville Chamberlain.

It is the spirit of the appeasement of evil.


http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/files/2009/04/neville_chamberlain2.jpg
'The way to peace - avoid violence at all costs, appeasement of evil works!!!'





mozz,

Your logic says,

"All violence is wrong.
And aggressors will be overcome, by our surrendering to their [evil and wicked] violence.
Then, the violence, will stop."


But moz, we are kidding ourselves, because aggression is not overcome by our surrender to it.

That way leads only to slavery, and our submission, to those who do evil and wicked things.

Applying your logic, we would become the slaves of evil men.






All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke



"And what is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good - need we ask anyone to tell us these things?"
Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Robert M Pirsig

I wonder if FD could get into trouble for letting this terrorist spread his vile hate.
I really can't believe someone who advocates terrorism in our country is still allowed to be posting his hate.
yadda, I think the spooks must need a bit of a hand to find out where you live, he must be using a proxy server.

wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2009 at 9:06am:

I wonder if FD could get into trouble for letting this terrorist spread his vile hate. I really can't believe someone who advocates terrorism in our country is still allowed to be posting his hate. yadda, I think the spooks must need a bit of a hand to find out where you live, he must be using a proxy server.

Expressing my political opinion, that ISLAM is a violent, evil, political tyranny, which we as Australians should not appease, and which we as a people should not 'accommodate',
......is not, 'spreading vile hate.'

All the claims i make against ISLAM, and against devout muslims, i can substantiate.

The evidence is clear, and it is not hidden away, it is out in the open.

Speaking TRUTHFULLY [about ISLAM, devout muslims], is not 'vile hate'.




skip,

If for instance, i were to describe a person who had violently and intentionally killed another person, as a 'murderer'.

That is not 'hatred'.

Calling a murderer, a 'murderer', would be an accurate descriptive, of the person i was referring to.



TRUTH, is not hate.

And the TRUTH, is never hateful.

Where did you learn that it is skip?

Quote:

to immediately close or destroy all mosques

You made the above demand of the PM of Australia, that demand is the demand of a terrorist and you should be treated as such.
WHERE IS ASIO?

You are no better than the Bali bombers the Indonesian bombers of last week or the terrorists who blew up the world trade centre, you advocate the very same things that they do, you are a TERRORIST and you should be arrested and charged.
You can go on about all your religious s hit as much as you like, it aint gunna save you anymore than it does your Muslim brothers.

wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2009 at 9:42am:

Quote: to immediately close or destroy all mosques You made the above demand of the PM of Australia, that demand is the demand of a terrorist...

No, it isn't.

It is the 'demand' of a rational person, living in an insane, and violent, world.

But it is interesting, that your assertion being made here [above],
...IS EXACTLY, THE ASSERTION BEING MADE BY ISLAMIC BODY'S, AND ASSOCIATIONS, ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Which is,
All ISLAMIC bodies worldwide, claim, that those who criticise the blatant violence against non-moslems [which is being perpetrated by devout moslems, and which is motivated directly by ISLAM], ARE A 'TERRORISTS'.

Because those people [WHO ARE MERELY TELLING THE TRUTH], are inciting 'irrational' hatred, against peaceful moslems.

They are promoting [irrational] 'ISLAM-O-PHOBIA'.
/sarc off

Obviously, all these claims by ISLAMIC bodies worldwide, are untrue, and are a 'smokscreen'.







Quote:

and you should be treated as such. WHERE IS ASIO? You are no better than the Bali bombers the Indonesian bombers of last week or the terrorists who blew up the world trade centre, you advocate the very same things that they do,

No, i do not.








Quote:

you are a TERROIST and you should be arrested and charged. You can go on about all your religious s hit as much as you like, it aint gunna save you anymore than it does your Muslim brothers.

Well thank you for your opinion skip.

And, isn't it 'nice',
......to be able to freely express your opinion?

Quote:

And, isn't it 'nice', ......to be able to freely express your opinion?

Tell it to the judge.

wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2009 at 10:05am:

Quote: And, isn't it 'nice', ......to be able to freely express your opinion? Tell it to the judge.

skip,

This post [link below] by helian, is really a post addressed to you.

And it describes your condition.


"An open letter to Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1247892235/55#55


Get help.

I've just sent a copy of your letter to my local federal member, whoever got your copy in Kevvies office must have binned it and just thought you were a loony( not wrong there) but I'm not prepared to sit around and let you make terrorist threats without doing something about it.
Have a nice day, get out and smell the roses ,while you still can. :P

wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2009 at 10:18am:

I've just sent a copy of your letter to my local federal member, whoever got your copy in Kevvies office must have binned it and just thought you were a loony( not wrong there) but I'm not prepared to sit around and let you make terrorist threats without doing something about it. Have a nice day, get out and smell the roses ,while you still can. :P

Good onya skip!!!          ;D



I hope that you have sent the complete transcript of my letter, and not just another one of your 'special' edits....

"An open letter to Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1247892235/20#20

I highlighted the important parts yadda, just think by tonight you could be famous as Australia's first christian terrorist charged under the new terrorism laws. ;D ;D ;D

Yadda wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2009 at 10:10am:

skip, This post [link below] by helian, is really a post addressed to you. And it describes your condition. "An open letter to Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1247892235/55#55 Get help.

No, it was addressed to you. I notice you waited till you thought you might have back up here before you scuttled out of your cave.

Luke Chapter 2

2:14  Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

(and while you're at it, destroy the Mosques)

hmmmm  ::)

muso wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2009 at 11:39am:

Luke Chapter 2 2:14  Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. (and while you're at it, destroy the Mosques) hmmmm  ::)

What's next? Synagogues?

Don't you think this carry-on is kinda pathetic?
I have no doubt your local member binned your request too Skipeee.

Grendel wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2009 at 12:54pm:

Don't you think this carry-on is kinda pathetic? I have no doubt your local member binned your request too Skipeee.

You'd better hope so boofy, I included your quotes condoning what yadda said, we can't have terrorist sympathisers among us now can we?

Besides, I notice when its a christian advocating terrorism against Muslims you think its ok but when its the other way around you cant shut up about it.
Time for you to sing for the spooks boofster.

looks like they've got yadda already, he's scatoodled.

You are an idiot...  as if anything I said would get me in trouble of any kind.

Go Skipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

Oh and I've never backed terrorism in any way shape or form goober.

More delusion from our favourite marstupial.

Grendel wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2009 at 1:23pm:

You are an idiot...  as if anything I said would get me in trouble of any kind. Go Skipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!! Oh and I've never backed terrorism in any way shape or form goober. More delusion from our favourite marstupial.

Ha ha ha
;D ;D ;D

Hysterical laughter no doubt...

Grendel wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2009 at 3:20pm:

Hysterical laughter no doubt...

yep, you seem to have that effect on many people.

It adds a nice touch to have a few posts distancing yourself from the loopy christian terrorist.

wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2009 at 1:01pm:

looks like they've got yadda already, he's scatoodled.

In your dreams skip.
....in your dreams.






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Psalms 36:2
For he [the wicked] flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful.
3  The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good.
4  He deviseth mischief upon his bed; he setteth himself in a way that is not good; he abhorreth not evil.

They probably just want to make sure when they arrest you they have enough evidence so as you cant get bail, be patient my little terrorist be patient.

My name is Fragmachine and are we not missing the point?
The fact that religion does misdeeds is not something to be repeated.
Why are we not looking at the bullshit sent our way through the media?
Is Islams deeds worse than the Cristians?
This simplistic analysis is self defeating. If you want to have a balanced view, have a look at the history of both these religions.
It's not a matter of good verse right, It's a matter of tolerating different trains of thought.
"We" are not always right.
What happened to debate?
Lets discuss these important issues without reverting to this simplistic state of mind.

Welcome to the forum Fragmachine, I hope that you enjoy discussing here. It might be advisable to don your rhino skin jacket, because it can get a bit fiery at times.

It won't take you long notice that there's six degrees of separation between practically any conversation/debate/argument here, and Islam.
You'll also notice that in the "member run forums" there are three headings which are suitable for discussing Islam: Spirituality, Islam and Extremism exposed.
You could set a good example for the rest of us by starting a topic in one of those three forums when you want to discuss Islam. I know this is sometimes hard to do because it breaks the train of conversation, but it's also hard to handle every discussion coming back to Islam.

Cheers.

Are  Islams deeds worse than Christian?
easy...  yes.

Just look at what they did in India.

Fragmachine wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2009 at 9:54pm:

.....It's not a matter of good verse right, It's a matter of tolerating different trains of thought.

Welcome Fragmachine.


Fragmachine,

With that statement, you already sound to me, like another 'Humanist'.

Is what you are saying, that, right or wrong, good or evil, are 'non-existent'?

And that the ethic of 'tolerance', is the ultimate human state of being?

If so, i can not agree with your position.

When a people, a community, 'evolve' to a state of 'tolerance' [among them] of something which is clearly evil, it demonstrates that those people, and that community, has lost its way, and has abandoned any high moral standards ethics based values, and right principles.


Dictionary,
ethics = =
1 the moral principles governing or influencing conduct.
2 the branch of knowledge concerned with moral principles.


Dictionary,
moral = =
1 concerned with the principles of right and wrong behaviour and the goodness or badness of human character.
2 adhering to the code of behaviour that is considered right or acceptable.






I present here a distinction, between the expressed 'intolerance',
....of the ISLAMISTS, #1,
....and those who oppose the ISLAMISTS, #2....

#1
ISLAM is 'justly' intolerant of non-moslems, and condones violence against non-moslems,
....BECAUSE THEY ARE NON-MOSLEMS.
....[this statement is not conjecture. ISLAMIC doctrine affirms that 'right' 'moral' position of devout moslems. CORRECTION... Koran 9:23 Koran 9:123]

#2
Many [informed] non-moslems are intolerant of ISLAM,
....BECAUSE ISLAM IS INTOLERANT OF NON-MOSLEMS, AND CONDONES VIOLENCE AGAINST NON-MOSLEMS.


Q1,
Which position [if any] has merit?

Q2,
Is position #2, in any way, an 'irrational' statement?
Is it irrational, to resent those, who visit intolerance, and violence upon you and yours?

Q3,
Is being outraged at ISLAMIC inspired violence, against non-moslems, being, ...'ISLAMOPHOBIC'?
....[as all moslems claim.]


In my opinion, THESE QUESTIONS, are what we [non-moslems] should be debating,
.....when we rightly challenge ISLAM, and its apparent unethical 'values'.








"And what is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good - need we ask anyone to tell us these things?"
Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Robert M Pirsig


"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."
Thomas Mann
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Mann

Quote:

Q1, Which position [if any] has merit? Q2, Is position #2, in any way, an 'irrational' statement? Is it irrational, to resent those, who visit intolerance, and violence upon you and yours? Q3, Is being outraged at ISLAMIC inspired violence, against non-moslems, being, ...'ISLAMOPHOBIC'? ....[as all moslems claim.]

Q1-NEITHER
Q2-YES, your position is just as irrational as those you despise.
Q3-NO, being outraged at mindless violence is normal, but wanting to use that mindless violence in retaliation is hypocritical.

wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2009 at 12:17pm:

Quote: Q1, Which position [if any] has merit? Q2, Is position #2, in any way, an 'irrational' statement? Is it irrational, to resent those, who visit intolerance, and violence upon you and yours? Q3, Is being outraged at ISLAMIC inspired violence, against non-moslems, being, ...'ISLAMOPHOBIC'? ....[as all moslems claim.] Q1-NEITHER Q2-YES, your position is just as irrational as those you despise. Q3-NO, being outraged at mindless violence is normal, but wanting to use that mindless violence in retaliation is hypocritical.

Well thank you, for expressing your point of view skip.

You're welcome :o

So, in recent days, with this alleged plot by ISLAMISTS living within Australia, to attack Holsworthy Barracks, is the content of my letter to Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, and the content of my posts at the beginning of this thread, relevant to these events and to the presence of ALL moslems, and ISLAM, within Australia?



Quote:

......Victoria Police Commissioner Simon Overland......stressed the overwhelming number of Islamic people in Australia and Melbourne were valued members of the community, not terrorists."

And isn't it good, and so reassuring, that we know that leaders of vital institutions within our country, and our communities are sure, and certain, of their positions, as to how ISLAM, and devout moslems relate to Australia, and Australians?


Paraphrasing Victoria Police Commissioner Simon Overland,
....'ISLAM is peace'.






http://www.jihadwatch.org/London_Bus_2.jpg
ISLAM IS PEACE in London

source of image...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018326.php

Quote:

So, in recent days, with this alleged plot by ISLAMISTS living within Australia, to attack Holsworthy Barracks, is the content of my letter to Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, and the content of my posts at the beginning of this thread, relevant to these events and to the presence of ALL moslems, and ISLAM, within Australia?

No, I'm sure not all moslems are bad, but some are and they should have every charge we can find on them to lock these scum up.
I also think sympathisers should be locked up, I'd lock up abu, I use to feel sorry for him, but that trait er deserves whatever he gets here and more. ABU is a terrorist sympathiser and should be treated as such, he's moslem scum.

skippy - it is a muslim tenent that they do not speak badly of any other muslim.
unlike athiests, christians, wiccans, new agers, agnostics, etc, etc, etc.

so abu is just following his belief.

Yadda wrote on Aug 5^th, 2009 at 8:02am:

So, in recent days, with this alleged plot by ISLAMISTS living within Australia, to attack Holsworthy Barracks, is the content of my letter to Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, and the content of my posts at the beginning of this thread, relevant to these events and to the presence of ALL moslems, and ISLAM, within Australia?

Look at the recent experiences in Europe.

Look at the consequences, of the almost unrestricted moslem immigration of past decades into Europe.

European policy makers [public 'servants'] have totally failed to take into account, or acknowledge, the cultural mores of devout moslems, the cultural mores which FORBIDS [violently!] the integration of moslems, with a non-moslem host country/culture.

Dictionary,
mores = = the customs and conventions of a community.



August 8, 2009
Demographic time bomb: millions of Muslim immigrants will change Europe beyond recognition, and almost no policymakers are talking about it
And those who are talking about it are smeared and vilified as racists and bigots......some Americans may come to regret the ease with which they swallowed and even propagated defamation and lies about anti-jihad European politicians such as Geert Wilders.
.......That is not the core of the problem. The core of the problem is that they [moslem immigrants] have a ready-made system of laws and customs that they consider superior to the laws and customs of Europe, and are ready to replace the one with the other.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027158.php







How many moslems 'integrate' into host societies #1 [Australia]

The truth of Islam Liars Liars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geZCsTezm_U



How many moslems 'integrate' into host societies #2 [Europe]

Belgium - Militant Muslims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-inob20I_Y0








The KORAN itself, instructs moslems on how to conduct their interactions with non-moslems...

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.051
[i.e. those moslems who make sincere friendship with unbelievers, ARE themselves, unbelievers]


"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:"
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.028



"O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?"
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.144


"O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse...."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.018

See also,

Google,
"no go areas" european cities islam
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22no+go+areas%22+european+cities+islam&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=



And look at how, in 'non-European' societies [i.e. in moslem countries!], how moslems conduct their interactions with non-moslems...

Google,
muslims christians persecution
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=muslims+christians+persecution&btnG=Search&meta=



Wake up people.

A European moslem declares himself, unambiguously, first and foremost,
....a moslem.....



"....We reject integration when it leads to assimilation,' says Abou Jahjah. 'I don't believe in a host country. We are at home here and whatever we consider our culture to be, also belongs to our chosen country. I'm in my country, not the country of the Belgians. We are citizens, not foreigners.' "

Denmark, Muslim integration in the West impossible
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238983112/11#11