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Message started by abu_rashid on Jul 20th, 2009 at 10:15pm

Title: Will history repeat itself in Afghanistan?
Post by abu_rashid on Jul 20th, 2009 at 10:15pm
Will history repeat itself in Afghanistan?


British forces were defeated at the Battle of Maiwand in 1880

British military intervention in Afghanistan has a chequered history, making it easy to conclude that British forces will fail again. But such a conclusion is a mistake and does a disservice both to troops fighting there and to history itself, writes military historian Dr Huw Davies.

General comparisons of Britain's first three wars in Afghanistan and the current conflict, are difficult and fraught with pitfalls and traps. However, if one compares the specific experiences of soldiers and officers, there is much to learn from Britain's history in Afghanistan.
Many know that the British tried three times between 1839 and 1919 to subjugate Afghanistan, and each time they failed.

But when dealing with the history of British military involvement in Afghanistan, and in the difficult business of looking for parallels between then and now, it is necessary to separate the general from the specific.

A lone British survivor arrives in Jalalabad in 1842
The reasons for the wars in the 19th Century were somewhat different and incomparable with the reasons for the war now. If general comparisons of the conflicts are made, without looking at the specifics, it might be easy to conclude that there is little hope for success in Afghanistan.

The First Anglo-Afghan War broke out when Britain invaded Afghanistan because she feared Russian encroachment into Central Asia. The British were eventually routed and the 16,000 strong army forced to flee Kabul in the winter of 1841. Only one man survived the retreat.

Britain invaded Afghanistan again in 1878 for largely the same reasons. Despite a terrible defeat at Maiwand on 27 July 1880, the British were surprisingly successful elsewhere on the battlefield.

Unlike today, the Afghans showed an inability to adapt their tactics and the British dominated in several battles. Yet the British failed to achieve a political settlement and, as they were unable to occupy the country, chose instead to isolate it, while retaining influence in Afghan foreign affairs.


General Frederick Sleigh Roberts and his staff in Afghanistan, around 1880

The third war broke out when Afghanistan declared independence from this quasi-British rule in 1919. However, for Britain, the Bolshevik Revolution had reduced the Russian threat and, with military spending crippled in the wake of the World War I, interest in Afghanistan gradually waned.

General comparisons, then, suggest that Britain has neither the military capability, nor the political will, to complete or attain victory in a conflict in Afghanistan.

Much has changed since 1919, though. The British Army has fought innumerable counter-insurgency campaigns elsewhere, the lessons of which are proving useful now. Technological advancements have also allowed swifter and more reliable analysis of intelligence, a critical aspect of any counter-insurgency campaign.

The Cultural Dimension

It appears that there is also a renewed focus on the importance of understanding the culture, traditions and customs of the Afghan population. It is here that the specific experiences of British officers and soldiers in 19th Century Afghanistan can prove useful.
During the First Anglo-Afghan War, for example, certain British officers spent much of their time learning about the culture of the local populations. In doing so, political, economic and social solutions to violent problems were unearthed.

In 1839, the British military had the difficult task of convincing the Afghan population to accept the new ruler, Shah Shuja, as he was from a different tribe to that of the deposed ruler, Dost Mohammed.

Troops behind fortifications at Kabul during the Second Afghan War
Shah Shuja's ascension to the throne in Kabul inevitably caused a shift in the balance of power, and those who had enjoyed political power under Dost Mohammed were cast aside and replaced with their rivals. This in turn caused widespread political disenfranchisement that manifested itself in violent rebellion.
The instinctive reaction of the British then, as now, was to meet violence with violence. But then, as now, commanders quickly recognised that violence was not necessarily the solution."Why, then, did the British fail in Afghanistan in 1841, and will the same thing happen today?"
Audio-slideshow: Old Afghanistan

Instead, the granting of some reasonable demands might buy off the support of those that were politically disenfranchised. Then, as now, the difficulty for the British lay in identifying and separating those who were die-hard supporters of the rebellion against British authority, from those who simply felt oppressed and whose loyalty could be bought.

TBC...

Title: Re: Will history repeat itself in Afghanistan?
Post by abu_rashid on Jul 20th, 2009 at 10:20pm
Cultural understanding proved critical for the British in reaching these conclusions.
Inevitably, then, as now, there were those whose resistance to and hatred of the West could never be defeated without recourse to violence.

Why, then, did the British fail in Afghanistan in 1841, and will the same thing happen today? In 1841, those in political charge in Afghanistan and British India did not perceive this "cultural solution" as being worthy of any merit. Despite the efforts of a minority of officers and soldiers, the preferred British method was retaliatory violence.

Captured guns are inspected towards the end of the second Afghan war
For most, the "cold, hard steel of the bayonet" enforced the authority of the British Empire. Ultimately, this almost indiscriminate use of violence alienated that segment of the population that might otherwise have supported Britain and Shah Shuja.

The difference now is that much more attention is being devoted to understanding the culture of Afghanistan and to finding solutions that do not necessarily involve military action. Efforts are being made, with some success, to incorporate cultural understanding in all military activities, from fighting to reconstruction.

But with a resurgent Taliban, apparently committed to an extremist vision of Islam and harbouring terrorists, it will also be necessary and unavoidable to use military force. Awareness of the cultural dimension will not necessarily guarantee victory, but ignorance of it, history shows us, will guarantee defeat.

Dr Huw Davies is a lecturer in Defence Studies, King's College, London based at the UK Defence Academy

Source: BBC



Keep in mind though that the British are only there because of 9/11, not because of any long standing desire to conquer and dominate the Muslim world. All that kind of stuff is long behind them... right?

Title: Re: Will history repeat itself in Afghanistan?
Post by Grendel on Jul 20th, 2009 at 11:42pm
ROTFLMAO

What religion is and was spread by the sword?  Oh dear lets not forget ourselves eh Aboo.

Title: Re: Will history repeat itself in Afghanistan?
Post by Grendel on Jul 20th, 2009 at 11:46pm
Oh and Abooo  don't forget we Australians aren't British nor do we want to be.

Don't forget it was our Lighthorse that freed the Arabs when all others failed.

Title: Re: Will history repeat itself in Afghanistan?
Post by abu_rashid on Jul 21st, 2009 at 6:27am

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What religion is and was spread by the sword?


If you were actually smart enough to look at the history, you'd see the spread of your religion was the bloodiest in all history. That's why not a single pre-Christian religion exists in all of Europe today.

Compare that to the Middle East (and other Muslim lands) where hundreds of pre-Islamic religions still exist, as do their religious buildings and so on. Can you show me a single pre-Christian religious building from Europe? Apart from one which wasn't dug up, that was already covered in soil by the time Christianity arrived?


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Oh and Abooo  don't forget we Australians aren't British nor do we want to be.


During WWI, Australia was very much still British. Anyway, I don't see anywhere in the article that mentions Australia... What on earth has it got to do with Australia? Or the identity crises of Australians who can't give up being British?


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Don't forget it was our Lighthorse that freed the Arabs when all others failed.


So why is their "liberation" only celebrated by Israel and not by any Arabs in the Middle East?

The British, and their lapdog during WWI, didn't liberate anyone. All they did was conquer and divide the Muslim lands like hungry wolves devouring a catch.

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