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federal and state police, armed with search warrants, swooped on members of the suspected terror cell this morning, as they seek to arrest Australian nationals of Somali and Lebanese background in what will be the second-largest counter-terrorism operation in the nation's history. ... Members of the group have been observed carrying out surveillance of Holsworthy Barracks in western Sydney and other suspicious activity around defence bases in Victoria. ... The cell has been inspired by the Somalia-based terrorist movement al-Shabaab...

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25879579-2,00.html

I wonder what religion they would be?

Note: the question is rhetorical.

My guess is they are ........ athiests !!!
No, athisets don't do that. Probably have never done that.

Wiccans !!!!! - No, they don't do that either.
Suicide christians - nope, terrorist christians have existed, but pretty rare and no suicide ones.

The rare eastern drivnots. no - they don't exist !
hahhahaha

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Al-Shabaab, which is using suicide bombers and jihadist fighters to try to overthrow the Somali government, seeks to impose a pure, hardline form of Islam, and sees the West as its enemy. It has been declared a terrorist organisation by the US and it has close links with al-Qa'ida leaders, including Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, an architect of the 1998 attacks on the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in which 223 people died.

Now, there is a psychological significance to this statement.
I have heard it before.
Whyever would anyone say such a weird thing?
Who are the "valued islamics" in aussie ?
What "community" are they a part of ?

With me, any islamic is not valued in my community.





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........Supporting this, Victoria Police Commissioner Simon Overland said: "I can assure the Victorian community that we are doing everything in our power to ensure the state remains one of the safest in the country.'' Mr Overland said police acted after it "got to a point where we decided it was appropriate to act". Mr Overland stressed the overwhelming number of Islamic people in Australia and Melbourne were valued members of the community, not terrorists.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/four-arrested-as-400-police-mount-counter-terrorism-raids-20090804-e7ic.html

Australia foils suicide attack on army base, four arrested: police

Australian police have arrested four people with alleged links to Somali Islamists who were planning a suicide attack on a military base, senior officers said on Tuesday.

"The alleged offenders were prepared to inflict a sustained attack on military personnel until they themselves were killed," said Tony Negus, acting chief commissioner of the Australian Federal Police.

"The men's intentions was to go into these army barracks and to kill as many people as possible.... This would have been, if it had been able to be carried out, the most serious attack on Australian soil," he added.

The suspects of Somali and Lebanese descent were arrested in a series of raids across the southeastern state of Victoria, Negus said.

He said the attack would have been carried out with firearms rather than explosives and added the group had been seeking a "fatwah" to justify its actions.

"Members of the group have been actively seeking a fatwah or religious ruling to justify a terror attack on Australia," Negus said.

Negus said members of the group had links with Somalia's Al-Qaeda-inspired Shebab group, which is fighting a deadly insurgency against that country's government.

http://www.france24.com/en/20090804-australia-foils-suicide-attack-army-base-four-arrested-police

[The target was Holsworthy. Cowardly animals.]

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 4^th, 2009 at 10:45am:

Now, there is a psychological significance to this statement. I have heard it before. Whyever would anyone say such a weird thing? Who are the "valued islamics" in aussie ? What "community" are they a part of ? With me, any islamic is not valued in my community. Quote: ........Supporting this, Victoria Police Commissioner Simon Overland said: "I can assure the Victorian community that we are doing everything in our power to ensure the state remains one of the safest in the country.'' Mr Overland said police acted after it "got to a point where we decided it was appropriate to act". Mr Overland stressed the overwhelming number of Islamic people in Australia and Melbourne were valued members of the community, not terrorists. http://www.smh.com.au/national/four-arrested-as-400-police-mount-counter-terrorism-raids-20090804-e7ic.html

Indeed. I wonder why overwhelming muslims wouldn't overwhelm  their errant brothers?

tallowood wrote on Aug 4^th, 2009 at 5:23pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 4th, 2009 at 10:45am: Now, there is a psychological significance to this statement. I have heard it before. Whyever would anyone say such a weird thing? Who are the "valued islamics" in aussie ? What "community" are they a part of ? With me, any islamic is not valued in my community. Quote: ........Supporting this, Victoria Police Commissioner Simon Overland said: "I can assure the Victorian community that we are doing everything in our power to ensure the state remains one of the safest in the country.'' Mr Overland said police acted after it "got to a point where we decided it was appropriate to act". Mr Overland stressed the overwhelming number of Islamic people in Australia and Melbourne were valued members of the community, not terrorists. http://www.smh.com.au/national/four-arrested-as-400-police-mount-counter-terrorism-raids-20090804-e7ic.html Indeed. I wonder why overwhelming muslims wouldn't overwhelm  their errant brothers?

This is what I thought too.
Just talk, because it has to be said that way.

Our democratic rights gag us so well you don't need anything else!

Re: Melbourne terrorist raids

"First define for me what terrorism means. I was under the impression it referred to attacks on civilians..." (c) abu

Terrorism means islam. I based my definition on the undeniable fact that it is in islam. Check for yourself

BTW, my question in previous post is answered by abu too.

Happy - Guess what , I like cops.

Maybe that cop "emphasised" there is no reflection of "terrorists" with "Islam"  on purpose.
there probably is no cause to associate ISLAM with TERRORISM.

At all.

On the one hand, we shouldn't draw any relationship between Islam and terrorism, but on the other hand, all Australians should accept a tightening of laws to accomodate the threats to the nation that these terrorists pose, who just co-incidently happen to be islamic.
They can't have it both ways.
We need a referendum to ban Islam now.

Abu Rashid

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This really shows us that the facade around the definition of terrorism is beginning to crack wide open doesn't it. NATO troops firing on and murdering dozens of civilians at a time, is _not_ terrorism, yet Muslims alledgedly plotting to target an army base _is_ terrorism... interesting. About the only factor which seems to change in those two cases, is whether Muslims are the victims or the perpetrators... So Muslim civilian victims are collateral damage, or regrettable casualties, or even human shields, if we really wanna open up the propaganda taps and get the bovine faeces flowing, whilst Muslim perpetrators are always terrorists... Interesting indeed.

The interesting thing is that propagandists like our reident pseudo-moor never tire of rolling out the Muslims-are-victims trope every time their co-religionists engage in yet one more despicable act. Every time a Muslim is caught doing some crazy or barbaric things, the Abu Rashid/Keyzar Trad/your-imam-here brigade rushes out with the we-are-the-victims schtik.
They are not victims of anything but each other.

And every time a Muslim does something crazy or despicable in non-muslim countries, they roll out that other stock response of the seasoned apologist for Muslim terrorists, the 'infidels-in-muslim-lands' excuse. Never hear about Muslims-in-infidel-lands'. The Barbary pirates, I mean victims, enslaved a million Europeans until the US navy put an end to that particular Muslim menace, I mean victimhood. Never hear about it from the Muslim 'victims'.

Or what about this:

“Where the French presence lasted fewer than four years before they were ignominiously expelled by the British and Turks, the Ottomans had been the masters of Egypt since 1517, a total of 280 years. Even if we count the later British and French protectorates, Egypt was under Western control for sixty-seven years, Syria for twenty-one years, and Iraq for only fifteen — and, of course, Saudi Arabia was never under Western control. Contrast this with southern Spain, which was under the Muslim yoke for 781 years, Greece for 381 years, and the splendid new Christian capital that eclipsed Rome — Byzantium — which is still in Muslim hands. But no Spanish or Greek politics of victimhood apparently exist.”

Abu Rashid and Keysar Trad and their ilk do a very thorough job of removing any remaing association between the words 'muslim' and 'credible'.i

Of course Abu, like any muslim, doesn't understand that they must be loyal to Australia, and not the political ideals of Islam.
Muslims will always be loyal to Islam, yet leech of the hard work of others. Australia has no future with the muslims.

I am sure muslim chat room will be praying for this load of wannabe terrorists.
They were for the last terrorists.

Abu did not speak out against the alleged terrorists either.

it's quite sickening really.

The Somali community did speak out about the planned attack and condemned it. A couple of the men were Australian citizens though and this is what is so disappointing. Apparently the Somali's involved were recruited, although they weren't Muslims when they arrived here. I'm surprised the Muslim community hasn't said anything.



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Yesterday Sydney's small Somali community was in shock, angry that a small group could allegedly try to bring to Australia the very violence they had fled. In Auburn - one of the hubs for the 3000-strong community - several Somali men gathered to discuss the shocking news. "They are slaughtering people in Somalia. Mogadishu is a no-go zone. Now they have finished with that they come to our country, soiling our names. Why do they want to do that?" one man, Siraji Osman, said. The men arrested yesterday are all from Melbourne where the bulk of the 15,000 Somalis in Australia live. Community leader Nasar Ogle from the Somali Islamic Cultural Centre said he was disappointed and unhappy about the alleged terror plot. "If these people were trying to do anything to Australia we should do whatever we can do to stop that and protect the country," he said. Saada Abdikarim, a mother-of-four who assists new Somali migrants settle in, said that the negative stigma would be yet another problem her people would face. "Obviously people will look at us differently," she said. "People say, 'You're Somali, you're a terrorist'. No one wants to be labelled with that." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/arrogance-and-utter-contempt-sydney-under-threat/story-e6freuy9-1225757999165

Australian citizens ?? That means a piece of paper.

muslims do not speak out against any other muslims.
It is one of their perverse ideas.

mantra wrote on Aug 5^th, 2009 at 9:11am:

The Somali community did speak out about the planned attack and condemned it. A couple of the men were Australian citizens though and this is what is so disappointing. Apparently the Somali's involved were recruited, although they weren't Muslims when they arrived here. I'm surprised the Muslim community hasn't said anything.

These 'Kumbya' statements condemning, and denouncing, such violent actions, and plans, and intents,
.....ARE ALWAYS MADE AFTER SPECIFIC INCIDENTS.

These reactions of feigned outrage, at the actions of some, from the Somali community [and moslem communities] are a ruse.


Dictionary,
ruse = = a stratagem or trick.



Consider,

If these moslem communities are really sincere in their professed abhorrence to such [alleged] planned violence against the Australian community [the community, which has kindly given them a home], then why do these moslem community spokesmen NEVER acknowledge the SOURCE of the moslem community enmity, against non-moslem communities, like Australia?


The undeniable TRUTH is that, ISLAMIC scripture, ....the Koran, and the Hadith,
......are the SOURCE of alienation and radicalism within the moslems community [against non-moslem societies such as Australia], and that these ISLAMIC 'scriptures' encourage and foster enmity towards non-moslems as a religious OBLIGATION.

Why won't moslem communities acknowledge such facts, and denounce these urgings to emnity with non-moslems, contained within their communities own religious, foundation documents, and 'scriptures'?





From the Koran....

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.051
[i.e. any moslem who makes sincere friendship with an unbeliever, is an unbeliever]



"O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin...."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.118



"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.073
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/066.qmt.html#066.009



"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.216




"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.029

good to see the courts view this as most aussies do.
excepting muslims who live here of course



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...........One of them, Nayef El Sayed, 25, of Glenroy, had been charged by last night. Accused of preparing for a terrorist attack at an army base, he refused to stand for the magistrate, Peter Reardon – because under his religious beliefs he would not stand for anyone but God, his lawyer, Anthony Brand, told the court. A Lakemba man, 35, was questioned in Sydney but not arrested. The others arrested in Melbourne are a Carlton man, 26, a Preston man, 25, and another from Meadow Heights, 22. They were charged this morning with same offence as Sayed and will appear in Melbourne Magistrates Court today. One of them, Saney Aweys, faced court separately yesterday, flanked by two federal agents. Denying any link to the other men, he told the court he was a boilermaker. "I have been already up for 30 hours and working for 20 hours when they picked me up,’’ Mr Aweys said. ‘‘I want it to stop now. I want to have a rest.’’ Mr Reardon, saying terrorism struck ‘‘at the heart of our democratic society’’, granted a federal police application for Mr Aweys to be interviewed for an extra eight hours from 6pm, after he had had sleep............

http://www.smh.com.au/national/open-gate-to-terrorists-20090804-e8oi.html

not standing for the magistrate, is that contempt of court ?
in a muslim country, get your penis cut off for it

400 Police personnel
7 months
19 search warrnats
5 arrested
4 charged

Maximum penalty 20 years, with halal food and full service plus medical
(Usually I laugh when they say MAXIMUM PENALTY and somebody gets suspended sentence without being recorded, utter joke)

I can think of better way to spend the money!!!

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Why don't you add "search for reasons or causes why" as well? As that's what you'd also like to stifle isn't it? You'd really like to prolong and even aggravate any kind of conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims because it feeds your deep hatred for Islam and Muslims. So anyone that hints towards possible causes/reasons/grievances, and by extension solutions, is to you an enemy...

(c) abu

abu, the terrorism is the enemy  and the way overwhelming muslims carry on makes terrorism and islam synonymous.

tallowood wrote on Aug 5^th, 2009 at 9:22pm:

[quote]Why don't you add "search for reasons or causes why" as well? As that's what you'd also like to stifle isn't it? You'd really like to prolong and even aggravate any kind of conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims because it feeds your deep hatred for Islam and Muslims. So anyone that hints towards possible causes/reasons/grievances, and by extension solutions, is to you an enemy...

"So anyone that hints towards possible causes/reasons/grievances" -  just on that, tell us, when have the Muslims addressed the grievances against them, the reasons and causes of the general revultion their daily barbarity elicits, the historic wrongs they have done: raids, slave traiding, warfare and subjugation? When will they start acknowldgeing all the wrongs they have done over the last 1400 years? (and that's just grievances by non-Muslims).

Never.

So shut up about your causes/reason/grievamces and general victimhood. You are victims like the bully who finally gets his well deserved and long overdue bollocking. But not enough of it, if you ask me.

Happy wrote on Aug 5^th, 2009 at 8:41pm:

400 Police personnel 7 months 19 search warrnats 5 arrested 4 charged Maximum penalty 20 years, with halal food and full service plus medical (Usually I laugh when they say MAXIMUM PENALTY and somebody gets suspended sentence without being recorded, utter joke) I can think of better way to spend the money!!!

Contrary to popular belief, they do have to pay for the Halal food themselves. And being in Supermax, is not fun.

Still I would just shoot them, and say they were shot trying to escape.

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...One of them, Nayef El Sayed, 25, of Glenroy, had been charged by last night. Accused of preparing for a terrorist attack at an army base, he refused to stand for the magistrate, Peter Reardon – because under his religious beliefs he would not stand for anyone but God, his lawyer, Anthony Brand, told the court.

If he was before me, I would have said, bailiffs, grab a hold of Mr Sayed, and raise him to his feet. 'You stand before this court, whatever your religious beliefs Mr Sayed, or you stand in contempt.'

Course he is showing contempt for the court and the whole australian society.

evict him and all his relatives back to mog.

Soren wrote on Aug 5^th, 2009 at 10:43pm:

So shut up about your causes/reason/grievamces and general victimhood. You are victims like the bully who finally gets his well deserved and long overdue bollocking. But not enough of it, if you ask me.

soren,

A very nice analogy.



We should try to find, and express more such analogies, which expose the absurd, an hypocritical position held by ISLAM / moslems, in relation to moslems views on justice, TRUTH, and 'justified' violence, in 'defence' of ISLAMIC aggression.

We should try to clearly expose, that ISLAMIC aggression and violence, is perpetrated against non-moslems, BECAUSE, they do not believe as moslems do.

And that, is the only reason.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 10:18am:

....he is showing contempt for the court and the whole australian society. evict him and all his relatives back to mog.

A candid, honest, moslem,  .....AT LAST.           ;D



Ah yes, i forgot,
.....his cover was 'blown', so there was no point in maintaining the subterfuge [of tolerance for his host, Australian society] any longer.
[/sarc off]


Dictionary,
subterfuge = = a trick or deception used in order to achieve one’s goal.

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............In the courtroom, supporters of the accused showed little respect for magistrate Peter Reardon, reading newspapers, talking and even pointing out to one suspect in the dock that his face was on the front page. "It's not a library, if you want to read the newspaper, go outside," Mr Reardon snapped at three young men..........

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25890136-5013404,00.html


those contempt giving somali muslims have had abiout as much lienancy as the australian legal system will give.
In a court, the judge is shown respect and teremd as "Your honour, Sir or Madam".

Lock them up, evict them from aussie.
they are violent, ridicule the legal system and do not belong here

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 6^th, 2009 at 10:18am:

Course he is showing contempt for the court and the whole australian society. evict him and all his relative's back to mog.

Justice Tony Whealey was hearing in the trial of Operation Pendennis where a group refused to stand in the Supreme Court, they said it was a religious thing.

Justice Whealey said Supreme Court judges are meant to be made of stern stuff, so I don't mind whether they stand or sit. But the jury might mind, you may wish to remind your clients of this. I think they ended up standing after the jury was empanelled.

These pricks and their assorted enablers and apologists are happy for them to die for Islam over here but not to live under Islam over there.

Hanging is too good for them.

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Hanging is too good for them.

Yes it is. But thats the difference between us and them. We give our enemies a trial.

They don't because they are barbarians.