Israeli wins Fatah top body seat

A Jewish-born Israeli has been elected to the governing body of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah party. Uri Davis, 66, an academic who is married to a Palestinian, is an outspoken critic of what he calls Israel's "apartheid policies". As the only Israeli member of the Revolutionary Council he says he wants to represent non-Arab people who support the Palestinian cause.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46213000/jpg/_46213322_uri226afp.jpg Mr Davis has been a harsh critic of Israel for years

He called for an international campaign to boycott Israel to be toughened up.

Dr Davis said his Israeli citizenship made no difference to his election.

"Within the conference itself the welcome was most heartfelt and enthusiastic - the Fatah movement is an open, international movement - membership is not conditional on ethnic origin, it's conditional on agreement with the main part of the Fatah political programme," he told the BBC News website.

Dr Davis said he did not define himself as Jewish but as "a Palestinian Hebrew national of Jewish origin, anti-Zionist, registered as Muslim and a citizen of an apartheid state - the State of Israel".

He was one of around 700 Fatah members competing for 89 open seats in the body, which oversees the group's day-to-day decision making. Others elected to Fatah's revolutionary council included Fadwa Barghouti, the wife of the senior Fatah figure, Marwan Barghouti, who was jailed by Israel five years ago for the murder of five people.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46185000/jpg/_46185127_voting_266iap.jpg Fatah congress delegates cast their votes

The old guard of Fatah retained only four of the 18 elected seats. The rest went to younger men.

Source: BBC

I wonder what drives a man to become totally alienated from his own people and work against it.

His conscience perhaps?

When a people are clearly wrong, it's incumbant upon those amongst them with a conscience to rise up and oppose tthem.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 18^th, 2009 at 11:45am:

His conscience perhaps? When a people are clearly wrong, it's incumbant upon those amongst them with a conscience to rise up and oppose tthem.

Hence my example in this forum abu.

I am a witness against the evil, we Australians tolerate.

And i am a witness against an unprincipled Australian society and government.







"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."
Thomas Mann
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Mann

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 18^th, 2009 at 11:45am:

His conscience perhaps? When a people are clearly wrong, it's incumbant upon those amongst them with a conscience to rise up and oppose tthem.

A conscience which causes you to oppose your own people is defective in the extreme.  In Dante's Inferno the lowest level of Hell is reserved for traitors, which is what this man is.

There is nothing "wrong" in what Israel is doing to the Palestinians from Israel's perspective, except perhaps not being thorough enough.  Obviously from the perspective of a Palestinian things are quite different.

Based on his statements it would seem that he's a liberal humanist, further reinforcing my belief that liberalism is the greatest evil ever devised by mankind.  As Dr. Johnson famously said, "The first whig was the Devil."

Quote:

A conscience which causes you to oppose your own people is defective in the extreme.

I guess that depends on your perspective. From the perspective of someone who views their allegiance to the God of the universe and to the truth and to righteousness, then you MUST oppose the falsehood and evil actions, even if it be from people of your own tribe/nation.

But from the point of view of tribalistic/nationalistic people who cling tight to falsehood and evil, then yes your view might be the right one...

God is unprovable, and at any rate nothing in the canonical texts of the Abrahamic faiths precludes group interests or even war despite the universal message of these faiths.  Indeed, God ordered the Israelites to engage in ethnic cleansing.

The existence of a people and its distinct interests is a simple fact.  Nothing is more evil than betraying your own people.

Try again, traitor.

Quote:

Indeed, God ordered the Israelites to engage in ethnic cleansing.

It appears to be more orders to fight against polytheistic nations, rather than to ethnically cleanse people simply based on them being a different race.

Besides there was plenty of killing of fellow Israelites who had 'gone astray'. So it's quite clear from the Biblical texts, that even if some people are from your own nation, if they go astray, then you have no allegiance to them.

A classic example is that of the Edomites. Descended (according to the Bible) from Esau, the brother of Jacob (pbuh). So they were descendants of Abraham and Isaac (pbut), but due to their straying from the belief in the one true God they were considered foreign and were fought against.


Quote:

Nothing is more evil than betraying your own people.

Well this fellow seems to have converted to Islam and married a Palestinian woman, and lives in the PA-controlled territories, therefore he hasn't really betrayed anyone has he? Since he's no longer an Israeli citizen, he has no allegiance owed to them.

If you migrated to another country, would you not take up allegiance to your new country and sever that to your old country?

Coral Sea wrote on Aug 19^th, 2009 at 11:33am:

God is unprovable, and at any rate nothing in the canonical texts of the Abrahamic faiths precludes group interests or even war despite the universal message of these faiths.  Indeed, God ordered the Israelites to engage in ethnic cleansing. The existence of a people and its distinct interests is a simple fact.  Nothing is more evil than betraying your own people. Try again, traitor.

For a purpose.

To rid the land of a wicked people.


Deuteronomy 12:28
Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of the LORD thy God.
29  When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
30  Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
31  Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.


SEE THE IMAGES OF MOSLEMS, SEEKING TO SACRIFICE THE LIVES OF THEIR CHILDREN, TO ALLAH,
HERE....

IDF shot children waving white flags
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1250207614/2#2

This is a great wickedness.




And a new 'ethnic cleansing' of God's land, is approaching.

We [our bodies], are the 'promised land'.

1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17  If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


Lamentations 3:31
For the Lord will not cast off for ever:
32  But though he cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of his mercies.
33  For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men.
34  To crush under his feet all the prisoners of the earth,



THE HARVEST OF WICKEDNESS OF THE EARTH IS RIPE
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1214199336/112#112

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 19^th, 2009 at 12:42pm:

Quote: Indeed, God ordered the Israelites to engage in ethnic cleansing. It appears to be more orders to fight against polytheistic nations, rather than to ethnically cleanse people simply based on them being a different race.

Indeed, but this is a cipher for eliminating rival peoples.  Note also that Judaism does not proselytize and is matrilineal, making it an inherited tribal religion.  The actions of the Israelites in conquering their land were those of a people pursuing their ethnic-genetic interests in securing an ethnically defensible homeland.


abu_rashid wrote on Aug 19^th, 2009 at 12:42pm:

Besides there was plenty of killing of fellow Israelites who had 'gone astray'. So it's quite clear from the Biblical texts, that even if some people are from your own nation, if they go astray, then you have no allegiance to them. A classic example is that of the Edomites. Descended (according to the Bible) from Esau, the brother of Jacob (pbuh). So they were descendants of Abraham and Isaac (pbut), but due to their straying from the belief in the one true God they were considered foreign and were fought against.

Generally it's a good idea to put traitors to the sword.  Are you suggesting Israel should kill this man?  ;)



abu_rashid wrote on Aug 19^th, 2009 at 12:42pm:

Well this fellow seems to have converted to Islam and married a Palestinian woman, and lives in the PA-controlled territories, therefore he hasn't really betrayed anyone has he? Since he's no longer an Israeli citizen, he has no allegiance owed to them.

Identity is not plastic and individual.  It is deeply rooted in place and heritage.  What this man has done is turn his back on all of that and adopt the identity of the other.  That makes the man a traitor.


abu_rashid wrote on Aug 19^th, 2009 at 12:42pm:

If you migrated to another country, would you not take up allegiance to your new country and sever that to your old country?

It's not that simple.

Quote:

Note also that Judaism does not proselytize and is matrilineal

Both of these aspects of Judaism are nothing to do with the ancient religion of the Children of Israel. I don't remember reading too many passages of Genesis that read "Ruth, the daughter of Mahlakh, daughter of Bashmath" etc. The modern day religion of Jews has very little, if anything to do with the ancient religion of the Children of Israel.


Quote:

Identity is not plastic and individual.

Israel is a very new nation, it's only existed for about 60 years. Most Israelis are immigrants or 1st. generation immigrants.. their 'identiity' is not as solid as you might think.


Quote:

It's not that simple.

It can be. And for this fellow, it obviously is.

"Denialism"...  a new "ism" just for you Aboo... after all it is a part of Islam apparently.

Israeli wins Fatah top body seat

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46213000/jpg/_46213322_uri226afp.jpg


ISLAMIC societies 'embrace' non-moslems today, as they always have.


ISLAMIC societies offer one of three options to non-moslems [who live among them],
1/ convert to ISLAM,
2/ be subjugated, living as slaves of moslems, or
3/ death.


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued [as slaves of Allah/moslems].
Koran 9:29

There are no other options.

There is no equal co-existence offered to non-moslems.

Moslems would view equal co-existence with non-moslems, as an 'injustice' to moslems.

All moslems are taught from childhood, not to value the ethic of human equality.....
.....but that they, moslems, must have a [the!] superior status, in all societies.


The Hadith...

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
bukhari/052.sbt.html 004.052.196

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
bukhari/052.sbt.html 004.052.065







There is nothing new in this story, about Uri Davis.



Quote:

....Uri Davis, 66, an academic who is married to a Palestinian [presumably, a moslem woman?],.... .....He was one of around 700 Fatah members.... .....the Fatah movement is an open, international movement - membership is not conditional on ethnic origin, it's conditional on agreement with the main part of the Fatah political programme, ....Dr Davis said he did not define himself as Jewish.....

"If it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck....."

Uri Davis is a moslem convert.

Quote:

There is no equal co-existence offered to non-moslems.

Once again, I will ask you to look at all the Churches, Synagogues and other religious buildings standing all throughout the Islamic world, and compare them to the religious buildings of historical significance still standing in the Christian world. For at least 1800 years of Europe's Christian history, you didn't even allow other religions to exist at all. Whilst for all of our 1300 years of Islamic rule, we had various different religions all through our lands...

Yet you see fit to lecture Muslims about co-existence? This is the epitome of hypocrisy.

Now that your society has been taken over by non-adherents/atheists (whose ideals you disagree  with strongly I might add), and you've been forced to accept other religions in your society, you play the "nice friendly little accomodationist co-existence advocate", but we both know what your breast conceals.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 20^th, 2009 at 9:37am:

Quote: There is no equal co-existence offered to non-moslems. Once again, I will ask you to look at all the Churches, Synagogues and other religious buildings standing all throughout the Islamic world, and compare them to the religious buildings of historical significance still standing in the Christian world. For at least 1800 years of Europe's Christian history, you didn't even allow other religions to exist at all. Whilst for all of our 1300 years of Islamic rule, we had various different religions all through our lands... Yet you see fit to lecture Muslims about co-existence? This is the epitome of hypocrisy. Now that your society has been taken over by non-adherents/atheists (whose ideals you disagree  with strongly I might add), and you've been forced to accept other religions in your society, you play the "nice friendly little accomodationist co-existence advocate", but we both know what your breast conceals.

No.

I do not.

And i believe that the existence of people such as yourself, among us, is the evidence of our own moral corruption.

You and yours, are not the solution - as you, yourself, wish to suppose abu.

You and yours, are, our punishment.






Psalms 94:1
O LORD God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself.
2  Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud.
3  LORD, how long shall the wicked, how long shall the wicked triumph?
4  How long shall they utter and speak hard things? and all the workers of iniquity boast themselves?
5  They break in pieces thy people, O LORD, and afflict thine heritage.
6  They slay the widow and the stranger, and murder the fatherless.
7  Yet they say, The LORD shall not see, neither shall the God of Jacob regard it.
8  Understand, ye brutish among the people: and ye fools, when will ye be wise?
9  He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?
10  He that chastiseth the heathen, shall not he correct? he that teacheth man knowledge, shall not he know?
11  The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity.
12  Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;
13  That thou mayest give him rest from the days of adversity, until the pit be digged for the wicked.
14  For the LORD will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.
15  But judgment shall return unto righteousness: and all the upright in heart shall follow it.
16  Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?
17  Unless the LORD had been my help, my soul had almost dwelt in silence.
18  When I said, My foot slippeth; thy mercy, O LORD, held me up.
19  In the multitude of my thoughts within me thy comforts delight my soul.
20  Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?
21  They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood.
22  But the LORD is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.
23  And he shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yea, the LORD our God shall cut them off.



Quote:

But judgment shall return unto righteousness:

Isaiah 28:15
Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
16  Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
17  Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
18  And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Quote:

No. I do not. And i believe that the existence of people such as yourself...

Ok, so then go  back and amend your post, to direct it at yourself, that _YOU_ do not accept co-existence with other religions.

Thank you for undoing your own claim.

Is there something wrong with not accepting co-existence with other religions?  Europe's refusal to accept religious co-existence reduced the numbers of troublesome minorities to our benefit.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 20^th, 2009 at 10:23am:

Quote: No. I do not. And i believe that the existence of people such as yourself... Ok, so then go  back and amend your post, to direct it at yourself, that _YOU_ do not accept co-existence with other religions. Thank you for undoing your own claim.

ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION


abu,

ISLAM is not a religion [in my opinion].

ISLAM is an evil, political tyranny, in my opinion.

ISLAM, is a group of disparate, criminal, 'mafia' like gangs, fighting for supremacy, over each other.

TRUTH

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/02022009/2124594/JER08_m.jpg

ISLAM is a death cult...
IDF shot children waving white flags
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1250207614/14#14







TOLERANCE

abu,

I do believe in choice.

An analogy......
Anyone can, and some among us do, choose to be murderers.

I don't believe that a murderer should have a choice, to live among us [non-murderers].


I also, believe that people should be convinced of, and have the free choice, of their religion, or not.


Whereas, ISLAM does NOT [willingly] offer that choice.

The Koran...

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;........."
Koran 3:85


I even believe that people should be allowed to choose ISLAM, for themselves.

What i do not believe in, is that ISLAM should be a choice, in this society.

And i have explained why i hold that view, here,

"An open letter to Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1247892235/0#0






ISLAM, IS A GREAT EVIL

ISLAM, is pure evil [in my opinion].

I believe that we, Australians, should choose, to separate ourselves from this evil.
....but i don't believe that we will.

Why?

Because our 'shepherds' are evil, corrupted men.i"LET THERE BE NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION......."


The famous Koran verse, often offered to naive non-moslems,
....'proving' ISLAM's tolerance of other religions,
....and, REALLY proving that, ALL GOOD MOSLEMS ARE BARE FACED LIARS....

"Let there be no compulsion in religion......."
Koran 2:256


The darker interpretation on this 'soft' verse,
.....AND AN 'INTERPRETATION' WHICH MILITANT MOSLEMS ACCEPT, IS,

"You can choose conversion, submission, or death.
.....**NO COMPULSION**! YOU CHOOSE."

EXAMPLES HERE,

Iraq -
4 March 2007
Iraq's Mandaeans 'face extinction'
By Angus Crawford
The Sabian Mandaeans - one of the oldest religious groups in the world - are facing extinction, according to its leaders.
They claim that Islamic extremists in Iraq are trying to wipe them out through forced conversions, rape and murder.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6412453.stm



Sudan -
An estimated 2 million Christians have been murdered in the last 20 years, in Sudan [by ISLAMISTS]

2002
"....jihad forces Islam on Christians Women refusing to convert gang-raped, mutilated, says relief worker.
....Backed by Muslim clerics, the National Islamic Front regime in the Arab and Muslim north declared a jihad, or holy war, on the south in 1989. Since 1983, an estimated 2 million people have died from war and related famine. About 4.5 million have become refugees."
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/jihad.htm

Google,
2 million christians killed 20 years sudan
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=2+million+christians+killed+20+years+sudan&btnG=Google+Search&meta=






YOUTUBE audio presentation, EXPOSING MOSLEM LIES,
Part 063 - No Compulsion in Religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajKMsVie2B0








++++++++++++







Psalms 5:4
For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.


1 Thessalonians 5:19
Quench not the Spirit.
20  Despise not prophesyings.
21  Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22  Abstain from all appearance of evil.


Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Quote:

Once again, I will ask you to look at all the Churches, Synagogues and other religious buildings standing all throughout the Islamic world, and compare them to the religious buildings of historical significance still standing in the Christian world. For at least 1800 years of Europe's Christian history, you didn't even allow other religions to exist at all. Whilst for all of our 1300 years of Islamic rule, we had various different religions all through our lands...

It's a bit like saying the Confederate South and Cotton Plantation owners were supporters of African Culture. They weren't, they were supporters of slavery.

Dhimmis exist to do the work in muslim societies, which are tribal warrior societies. So while the muslims run around shouting allah akbar jihad and peacefully converting others by raping their women and chopping off the husband's heads, the dhimmis run the society and do the boring stuff, called...WORK. The dhimmi was replaced by petroleum in the modern age, but he'll be back when the petrol runs out or the muslim menace takes over more non-petroleum countries.

Calanen, What your anti-Islamic slant on everything prevents you from realising is that Europe during that same time period didn't allow other religions to even exist at all, meaning it put them to death willy nilly, didn't permit them to have places of worship, and generally oppressed them. Even Christians often preferred living under Islamic rule to Christian rule.

Islam in comparison was paradise for non-Muslims in that time.

You must compare two situations based on the same period.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 25^th, 2009 at 10:20am:

Calanen, What your anti-Islamic slant on everything prevents you from realising is that Europe during that same time period didn't allow other religions to even exist at all, meaning it put them to death willy nilly, didn't permit them to have places of worship, and generally oppressed them. Even Christians often preferred living under Islamic rule to Christian rule. Islam in comparison was paradise for non-Muslims in that time. You must compare two situations based on the same period.

Christianity is not made up of perfected people.
.....but ISLAM is.
/sarc off




"If anyone desires a religion other than Christianity, never will it be accepted of him;........."
Luke 12:56
/sarc off

try,
Koran 3:85
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran//003.qmt.html#003.085

That might not be a correct Biblical quote, but this one certainly is...

Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 25^th, 2009 at 12:06pm:

That might not be a correct Biblical quote, but this one certainly is... Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

abu,

You and yours are very lucky then, on two counts.

#1 That i am not, and Christians are not, Jewish.

#2 And, that today, is not 1,400 B.C.


But your luck may not last.



Isaiah 26:21
For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.


Malachi 3:1
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
2  But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:


Malachi 3:14
Ye have said, It is vain to serve God: and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before the LORD of hosts?
15  And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered.
16  Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
17  And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
18  Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

Quote:

But your luck may not last. Isaiah 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Are you saying that one day Christians will return to killing apostates? So why are you attacking Islam for it, if you admit you're going to begin re-implementing it? In fact most things you attack Islam for, are clearly in your own Bible, and therefore one can assume that your condemnation of them is a little insincere...

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 25^th, 2009 at 2:01pm:

Quote: But your luck may not last. Isaiah 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. Are you saying that one day Christians will return to killing apostates?

No.


Jesus said,

John 4:20
Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21  Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22  Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23  But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.






How do moslems 'worship', and why?

They believe that they [moslems] can possess God's 'promised land' by force.

Why?

Because the words of their prophet exhorts them to do so.


"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.196


"On his death-bed Allah's Apostle....said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians....."
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/056.sbt.html#004.056.660





God's 'promised land' is a spiritual gift, that will be given, to whom he will give it.

But our God won't give that gift to murderers.

It is a gift, for his 'children'.


Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


Amos 9:8
Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD.
9  For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
10  All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.


Jeremiah 23:6
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
7  Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
8  But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.