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Message started by abu_rashid on Nov 10th, 2009 at 12:07am

Title: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by abu_rashid on Nov 10th, 2009 at 12:07am
Racist mongrels. But as all here assure us, racism doesn't really exist, people are just being too politically correct and misconstruing everything as racism.




New film uncovers racism in Germany

Is Germany a racist country? That is what a new documentary, Black on White, is trying to find out. Its findings are shocking. But, as Damien McGuinness reports, the filmmaker himself has been criticized by black Germans for his methods.


Kwami speaks broken German and is childlike in his ignorance

For more than a year, journalist Gunter Wallraff travelled across Germany wearing a dark-haired curly wig and with his white skin painted black.

Equipped with a secret camera, and calling himself Kwami Ogonno, he went to predominantly white areas to see how a black man with a foreign accent is treated.

The experience, he said, was even more depressing that he had expected.

"I hadn't known what we would discover, and had thought maybe the story will be, what a tolerant and accepting country we have become," said Mr Wallraff after a screening of the film Black on White in Berlin. "Unfortunately I was wrong."

He was almost beaten up by neo-Nazis after a football match in eastern Germany. And outside a small-town nightclub was told by a skinhead: "Europe for whites, Africa for apes."

But the film's most disturbing aspect is not the well-known racism of right-wing extremists, but rather the secretly-filmed reactions of everyday people - the landlady who says she could not possibly rent out a flat to a black person, or the shop owner who will not let "Kwami" try on an expensive watch, but willingly hands over the same watch to the next customer who is white.

Everyday abuse

For black people in certain parts of Germany such experiences are commonplace, believes Sven Mekarides, general secretary of the Africa Council in Berlin.


The film secretly filmed the reactions of everyday people to Kwami, left

Mr Mekarides left his native Cameroon in 1991 and came to study in a small town in eastern Germany.

He says he and his fellow African students experienced racist attacks and abuse every day.

They were spat at, shouted at and beer bottles were thrown at them.

The worst attack took place in the eastern Berlin district of Lichtenberg in 2004, when Mr Mekarides and his girlfriend were surrounded by seven young men armed with knives.

"We soon realized that it was dangerous to travel in groups of less than three people. And we would never let any of the women go anywhere without accompanying them," he said in a Berlin cafe.
     
With an ageing population, Germany is now having to come to terms with being a country of immigration

Since then, he said, the situation has not got much better.

According to the Amadeu Antonio foundation there have been 138 racially-motivated murders in Germany since 1990. And last year police registered 140 race attacks in Berlin.

"Those are only the most extreme cases the police know about," said Mr Mekarides.

"Every day we get calls from black people who have been falsely accused of stealing something or insulted on the street."

Clown in a carnival?

Although Mr Mekarides welcomes the discussion about racism the film has sparked off, he believes the filmmaker's exaggerated disguise confirms Europeans' worst stereotypes of an African.


Some critics say Kwami is based on an absurd stereotype

"He just doesn't look like an African," said Mr Mekarides. "The wig, the make-up and the brightly-coloured shirt are all so over the top, he looks like he's a clown in a carnival.

"After he has washed his skin, he can forget the problem. But black people have this problem every day."

Some German newspaper commentators have accused the filmmaker himself of racism for acting out such a negative stereotype of a black person. The character of Kwami speaks broken German and is childlike in his ignorance of dangerous situations.

Anti-racism pressure groups, meanwhile, have complained that the filmmaker is paternally speaking for black people, rather than with them. Why did he not simply film the experiences of real black people?

"It was crucial that I take on these dangers myself," countered Mr Wallraff. "There's no way that I could delegate this role to someone else.

"I've been accused of being racist. But just imagine if I'd sent a black person into situations that I wasn't prepared to go into myself."

Torture and prison

With a celebrated 40-year career of unearthing social injustice, it is impossible to doubt Gunter Wallraff's motivations.

In one assignment he went undercover as an anti-government protestor in 1970s Greece and was tortured and imprisoned.


Walraff says his experience was more depressing than he had expected

The film has won praise for starting a debate about racism in Germany. After a Q&A session with Mr Wallraff in a Berlin cinema, one young black woman said the film was "interesting, helpful and needed for Germany".

TBC...

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by abu_rashid on Nov 10th, 2009 at 12:09am
She said: "I've lived here all my life, and this is the first time I've ever seen an audience like this discussing this issue."

Racism is viewed as unacceptable by mainstream German society, and many urban areas pride themselves on a multi-cultural tolerant atmosphere.

But there do still exist so-called "no-go areas" - particularly in rural eastern Germany - which anti-racism activists advise non-white people to avoid.

Gunter Wallraff's film has already done a lot to spark discussion about racism. With an ageing population, Germany is now having to come to terms with being a country of immigration.

Clearly the debate is just beginning.

Source: BBC

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by sprintcyclist on Nov 10th, 2009 at 9:12am

clearly ethnics are not wanted in germany or any other white country.

get the message?

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by mozzaok on Nov 10th, 2009 at 9:37am
Far out Sprint, I am amazed you could actually say that.
Abu said you were racist to me once, and I said he must be mistaken, but when you come out with an idiotic statement like that, it is hard to take it any way but as willfully ignorant racism.

I hate reverse racism, where people expect special treatment because they are from a minority group, but when confronted by how much garbage they have to put up with, I am starting to wonder if perhaps they do deserve some special considerations, to compensate for the plethora of wrongdoings perpetrated on them by cruel, and ignorant people, who judge everybody, based upon their appearance.

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by muso on Nov 10th, 2009 at 11:52am

mozzaok wrote on Nov 10th, 2009 at 9:37am:
Far out Sprint, I am amazed you could actually say that.
Abu said you were racist to me once, and I said he must be mistaken, but when you come out with an idiotic statement like that, it is hard to take it any way but as willfully ignorant racism.


Nothing surprises me any more. This board is a sad indictment on Australian society.  The sad part is that many of these hypocrites actually worship a guy who was a Semite (For the benefit of Sprint and others - an ethnic)
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Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by abu_rashid on Nov 10th, 2009 at 12:55pm

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I hate reverse racism, where people expect special treatment because they are from a minority group, but when confronted by how much garbage they have to put up with, I am starting to wonder if perhaps they do deserve some special considerations


I'm with you on that one mozza, "affirmative action" seems very wrong to me too. I don't think it needs to occur, I think we just have to be very vigilant against ignoramuses who dare utter garbage like this:


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clearly ethnics are not wanted in germany or any other white country.

get the message?


If they regularly get put back in their place, they'll become less and less courageous in saying such stuff. However, if we become lazy and let them do it a little, because we think it's not so bad, or warranted against certain people who "bring it on themselves", then it will obviously grow out of control until it becomes open and accepted.

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by sprintcyclist on Nov 10th, 2009 at 1:31pm
mozzaok - i'm stating a fact.
multicults a load of rubbish.

build a bridge and get over your fantasy coffeecolouredpeople world

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by skippy on Nov 10th, 2009 at 1:50pm

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coffeecolouredpeople world


Yea those bloody coffee colored people, they try and rule the world ay sprint?
Oh, wait a sec, if Jesus really was a true story ,what color would he have been? DOH :o

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by muso on Nov 10th, 2009 at 2:13pm
This is the current breakdown of the Australian population by Ethnicity: (2006 census - Country of Father's birth)

Australian      33.38%
English      26.72%
Scottish        6.35%
Australian Aboriginal      0.13%
American        0.62%
Chinese        0.61%
Croatian        0.53%
Dutch        2.33%
Filipino        0.12%
French        0.39%
German        2.94%
Greek        1.69%
Hungarian        0.38%
Indian        0.36%
Irish                5.60%
Italian        4.88%
Lebanese        0.84%
Macedonian 0.28%
Maltese      0.93%
Maori      0.43%
New Zealander      1.39%
Polish      0.74%
Russian      0.26%
Serbian      0.36%
Sinhalese      0.16%
South African      0.28%
Spanish      0.27%
Turkish      0.18%
Vietnamese      0.08%
Welsh      0.61%
Other(g)      4.73%
Ancestry not stated      1.45%

That's the reality. In your fantasy, who are the Ethnics? (Apart from the Irish, they are obviously ethnic) What makes them ethnic, and who makes the decision who the Ethnics are, and on what basis?

- and what do you plan to do with the 117,000 Irish Ethnics who are in Australia and who refuse to stop their incessant river dancing?
(Last time I tried, I nearly drowned)  

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by sprintcyclist on Nov 10th, 2009 at 2:14pm

Skippy, doh, Jesus was a jew.
Lived in a hot arabic country.
probably NOT a shining pink .
probably quite tanned, at least.

you had any point ? thought not

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by muso on Nov 10th, 2009 at 2:16pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 10th, 2009 at 2:14pm:
Skippy, doh, Jesus was a jew.
Lived in a hot arabic country.
probably NOT a shining pink .
probably quite tanned, at least.

you had any point ? thought not


But if there was a second coming, and you were the Minister for Immigration, would you allow him (as an obvious black Irish Ethnic) to settle in Australia?

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by sprintcyclist on Nov 10th, 2009 at 2:40pm

i doubt jesus would be coming here as a boat person.

bit, aside from that, as minister for Immi, I'ld be bound by the laws as they stood.

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by muso on Nov 10th, 2009 at 2:47pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 10th, 2009 at 2:40pm:
i doubt jesus would be coming here as a boat person.

bit, aside from that, as minister for Immi, I'ld be bound by the laws as they stood.



Regardless of whether he walked across the Timor Strait or flew in First Class on a Qantas flight, and given the hypothetical situation that you could choose who entered Australia, would you allow this person of obviously Middle Eastern origins (you'd probably classify him as an ethnic) to enter Australia.

Now don't dodge the question, because you might be struck by lightning.  

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by sprintcyclist on Nov 10th, 2009 at 3:08pm


i did answer it


Quote:
but, aside from that, as minister for Immi, I'ld be bound by the laws as they stood

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by muso on Nov 10th, 2009 at 3:23pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 10th, 2009 at 3:08pm:
i did answer it


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but, aside from that, as minister for Immi, I'ld be bound by the laws as they stood


As I said - You have the power to choose under law.

His case has come up and you are the sole arbiter. Just your personal judgement is required.

You said before -


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clearly ethnics are not wanted in germany or any other white country.


So will you make an exception for Jesus? I'm pretty sure that he'd be an ethnic. How do you reconcile worshipping an untermensch anyway?

Of course, maybe you regard Australia as a wide brown country rather than a white country - I'm not sure about that.

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by skippy on Nov 10th, 2009 at 3:30pm

muso wrote on Nov 10th, 2009 at 3:23pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 10th, 2009 at 3:08pm:
i did answer it


Quote:
but, aside from that, as minister for Immi, I'ld be bound by the laws as they stood


As I said - You have the power to choose under law.

His case has come up and you are the sole arbiter. Just your personal judgement is required.

You said before -

[quote]clearly ethnics are not wanted in germany or any other white country.


So will you make an exception for Jesus? I'm pretty sure that he'd be an ethnic.

Of course, maybe you regard Australia as a wide brown country rather than a white country - I'm not sure about that. [/quote]
What about the pope? he's an ethnic, keep the bastard out I say.

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by helian on Nov 10th, 2009 at 11:08pm
Or is it Nazis still harbour German tendencies.

Read Luther... He personifies the angry German.

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by sprintcyclist on Nov 10th, 2009 at 11:17pm
muso , in that case - I'ld have to decide on a case by case basis.

skippy - yep, the pope would get a cool recepton from me.
don't want no religious nuts 'round here mate.

on that basis, the big J would probably be ok.
he's a chippie, nonviolent, nonpolitical, he'ld assimilate well, chats and helps hookers and the like..
he's in.

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by helian on Nov 11th, 2009 at 7:55am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 10th, 2009 at 11:17pm:
on that basis, the big J would probably be ok.
he's a chippie, nonviolent, nonpolitical, he'ld assimilate well, chats and helps hookers and the like..
he's in.

He was indicted by the governing authorities of the day for attempted insurrection (and ultimately executed for it).

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by muso on Nov 11th, 2009 at 8:56am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 10th, 2009 at 11:17pm:
muso , in that case - I'ld have to decide on a case by case basis.

skippy - yep, the pope would get a cool recepton from me.
don't want no religious nuts 'round here mate.

on that basis, the big J would probably be ok.
he's a chippie, nonviolent, nonpolitical, he'ld assimilate well, chats and helps hookers and the like..
he's in.



Oh I don't know about non political.  ;) He's an obvious ethnic who doesn't know his place.  :P I mean:

Customs - Good morning Sir, you have been selected for a random baggage check. At this point your bags will be opened and checked. This card in Aramaic described your rights. Do you have any questions?

JC - I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword

Customs - Did you declare this sword? You do realise that this weapon is prohibited in Australia?

JC - He that is not with me is against me.

Customs - Don't take it personally sir.

JC - I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.  There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Customs (on radio) - AFP please attend Baggage Area B. A suspicious
person of Middle Eastern appearance, wearing white robes is making threats to ACS officer.

He'd be locked up in the detention centre before you could say three Hail Mary's.

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by skippy on Nov 11th, 2009 at 9:02am
;D ;D

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by helian on Nov 11th, 2009 at 9:16am
And interpol would have a warrant for his arrest for conspiring to overthrow the state.  :P

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by sprintcyclist on Nov 11th, 2009 at 9:29am

muso - ahahahahaha, excellent

:) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by abu_rashid on Nov 11th, 2009 at 9:43am

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on that basis, the big J would probably be ok.


Sprint this is the problem with your initial statement. It didn't take into account the people's inclinations or their disposition or their beliefs or anything, it was pure hatred and rejection of them merely based on the fact they come from a different ethnic background.

Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by sprintcyclist on Nov 11th, 2009 at 10:35am

abu - the problem is you are a fully blinkered islamic with no insight or discernment
Moh said "don't think, just be a robot", and you are.


Title: Re: Germans still harbour Nazi tendancies
Post by muso on Nov 11th, 2009 at 11:12am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 11th, 2009 at 10:35am:
abu - the problem is you are a fully blinkered islamic with no insight or discernment
Moh said "don't think, just be a robot", and you are.


I fully approve of people who think for themselves.


Quote:
Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has. - Martin Luther

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