Are men still chivalrous and respectful to women/females, do they essentially respect women for who they are - Or do they project the  media sterotypes here..ie: hoes and bitches, pole dancers,strippers,hookers  with glass heels etc..onto everyday women?

Have women lost something important due to men being bombarded with constant negative and insulting steroetyping of females..that something being the respect of men. ?

Some  guys are drawing their impressions of women thru media imaging/speak..and do they really internalise this sh.it or is it more teenage boys /very immature males?

For the most part is the same happening to men , are we drawing our impressions about men based on media representation?

Even tho I find the sterotyping of males to be presented in a way that makes them more  dangerous/smooth player/bad boy etc..this could simply be because it is men who control the media..and want to project this cool/romantic notion of themselves

I think Johnny Depp/Jack Sparrow is cute in a drunken piratey kind of way , but would he make a good partner etc. I dont think so.

But he is  cute and a bit of a bad arse and thats the point I guess..women love him, he will sell a ticket or two.

First impressions are based on these raunchy images constantly projected into the homes of teenagers  and which they soak this crap up like a sponge..they walk the walk and talk the talk..dont tell me they dont, I see it everywhere..little Beyonces/Lady Ga Gas..and P.Diddy, kanye West is so gangsta he is smchoozes past me everyday dressed immaculately right down to his Michael Jackson flats and Fedora...

That said I dont think mens image is so badly tarnished by media..and thats not surprising, since its a male dominated world we live in..

thoughts..

thoughts, women used to be almost ......... revered and many lived an enviable life.
Stay at home with kids.

Now many have Skankback tatts.

WTF Auzgurl/Oceans/Virago

I won't give up a seat on a crowded bus to a healthy young Ms

But, shee-it, I do not think of them as pole dancers etc! FFS!

lol Darwin, that was just for purposes of balance ( missed by a wide margin I see)..I guess  over the top but I thought most would get what I meant, but obviously not..

I just want to know if in mens/womens eyes women/men have been damaged by stereotypes , my way of introducing that may have been lacking in the OP.

Poor Sprint tried to answer and only came up with the backtatt thing and so I guess he too was confused..and I will reword the OP when I have a min.

nice try anyway and thank you both..

The Mole wrote on Nov 24^th, 2009 at 10:48am:

Are men still chivalrous and respectful to women/females, do they essentially respect women for who they are - Or do they project the  media sterotypes here..ie: hoes and bitches, pole dancers,strippers,hookers  with glass heels etc..onto everyday women? thoughts..

Are men still chivalrous and respectful to women/females? Yes, as long as men and women continue to want the opposite of what the other wants - men wanting women, women men.

But when they start wanting the same things, then it just becomes the closest thing to communicating with aliens, too often culminating in 'F... off, ET" (I paraphrase).

Skank alert .........


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THE woman at the centre of South Australia's political sex scandal has fled to Queensland, revealing she wants to reunite with her estranged husband. In Michelle Chantelois' first interview since she aired allegations that she had an affair with South Australian Premier Mike Rann, she has revealed she came to Queensland with her 11-year-old son to protect him from the gossip. In the exclusive and unpaid interview, she also hit back at Mr Rann's denial of the affair and said she was not interested in sympathy, but just wanted her story told so she could move on with her life. She believes that Mr Rann has been trying to imply she made the story up for money, falsely making her out to be a "shattered, wretched woman". Mr Rann has denied having sex with her. But Ms Chantelois said she was determined to set the record straight about what she described as an ongoing affair involving meetings at Adelaide's Parliament House, the Premier's house, in a car and at Adelaide Central Market. She revealed further details of the alleged affair, and said she hoped to reconcile with estranged husband Rick Phillips, who allegedly struck Mr Rann with a magazine because he suspected the affair. Ms Chantelois also said: • She only spoke publicly about the affair because rumours started circulating and wanted the truth to be heard, and she was not paid "anywhere near" a reported $200,000 for interviews with Channel 7 and New Idea. • She has no political connections and that no one pressured her to speak about the alleged affair. • That Mr Rann told her to tell her husband they were friends as a cover story. Mr Rann insists he was just friends with Ms Chantelois but that they have had no contact for four years. She says: "Friends stay in touch . . . lovers don't make contact once the affair has ended." She claimed she had sex with Mr Rann in his Parliamentary office, including when Parliament was sitting, and that they were "intimate" in a car parked near a golf course. Mr Rann said there was a "whole series of things that were said . . . that are totally, absolutely false". A spokeswoman for Mr Rann emphasised the Premier was pursuing defamation action and "has no intention of dignifying these repeat allegations with a reply".

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26418301-953,00.html

Money, money, money.

Some say the relationship may have started off something like this.

"If I gave you a million dollars, would you have sex with me?"


'Ummh? OK.'


"Great, well heres fifty bucks, let's go."

'What do you think I am?'

"We have already established that, now we are just haggling over the price."

;)

I could not help but feel a tinge of sadness for poor Dr E while seeing highlights of the weekend's big society event, if only the laser surgey had worked, he could have got so much more for his money.

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I could not help but feel a tinge of sadness for poor Dr E while seeing highlights of the weekend's big society event, if only the laser surgey had worked, he could have got so much more for his money.

I can't believe he's still around and the laser surgery must have worked. He has to be about 150 by now, yet he only looks about 70. Where does he get his energy? His money would have to be buying him hormones.

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Are men still chivalrous and respectful to women/females, do they essentially respect women for who they are

No, that would be disrespectful wouldn't it?

Men must treat women as their equals, therefore they must compete with them as they do their male counterparts. This means being disresctful at every turn, otherwise it would be disrespectful to women to treat them differently wouldn't it?
And btw, there's still a lot of blood and guts that needs to be spilled to catch up with men's sacrifices, so you go girl and start some wars.
Us blokes will be sitting on the couch watching it on TV. We may even sit some OGO on the shelf and bag a few female Yankee soldiers that travel to our shores. That'd be nice   :)

Amadd wrote on Dec 4^th, 2009 at 1:09am:

Quote: Are men still chivalrous and respectful to women/females, do they essentially respect women for who they are No, that would be disrespectful wouldn't it? Men must treat women as their equals, therefore they must compete with them as they do their male counterparts. This means being disresctful at every turn, otherwise it would be disrespectful to women to treat them differently wouldn't it? And btw, there's still a lot of blood and guts that needs to be spilled to catch up with men's sacrifices, so you go girl and start some wars. Us blokes will be sitting on the couch watching it on TV. We may even sit some OGO on the shelf and bag a few female Yankee soldiers that travel to our shores. That'd be nice   :)

OGO  ? I could Google it I guess.. 8-)

Mens sacrifices ,er mention one or two just to clue me in maddy..sacrfices like going to war, yes that I understand..but out here its a level playing field in so much as we control our environment by our actions that  largely effect outcomes relating to our selves, so Im not sure exactly what 'sacfrices' you mean..

Could you elaborate for me ..?

Then we can discuss, if you still want to.

I suspect I know where you were going with this and in that case  I mostly agree...but still not that clear

Im not into yankee female soldiers, the males are very nice tho'.

I dot think you'll find OGO (Old Girl Overseas), but you might find OMO which supposedly meant "Old Man Out" or "Old Man Overseas" during WW2.

Fair enough, you don't get so many maimings and deaths from wars and industry anymore, but there were sacrifices made. Not that women haven't also sacrificed in many ways, but I think you'll find that most women would not be prepared to go back to those days and take on the roles that the men did back then. If it came down to it, men would have no choice but to do the same again.

I think it's a bit silly to expect equality in all walks of life, or equality jsut when it suits.

http://lolsnaps.com/upload_images/real/600.jpg

LOL...priceless!

Maybe the roles aren't so clera cut as they used to be, but I doubt that will last.

One thing the rabid feminists overlloked in their quest for 'equality' is that men and women are very different...two sides of a coin.

To expect both sexes to play exactly the same role can never work, as the fundamental differences in our make up won't allow it.

But it matters little I guess, as we will seek out partners complementary to ourselves....if a woman acts masculine, she will seek out an effeminate partner...you can't have 2 'alphas' in a realtionship.

soren - excellent !!!!!!!!!!!

The Mole wrote on Nov 24^th, 2009 at 10:48am:

Are men still chivalrous and respectful to women/females, do they essentially respect women for who they are - Or do they project the  media sterotypes here..ie: hoes and bitches, pole dancers,strippers,hookers  with glass heels etc..onto everyday women? thoughts..

There are some very lovely, respectful and intelligent gentlemen out there. And contrary to popular belief .. not all of them are married either.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 27^th, 2011 at 12:33pm:

The Mole wrote on Nov 24th, 2009 at 10:48am: Are men still chivalrous and respectful to women/females, do they essentially respect women for who they are - Or do they project the  media sterotypes here..ie: hoes and bitches, pole dancers,strippers,hookers  with glass heels etc..onto everyday women? thoughts.. There are some very lovely, respectful and intelligent gentlemen out there. And contrary to popular belief .. not all of them are married either.

they're not married, because they are gay.

... wrote on Apr 27^th, 2011 at 1:15pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 27th, 2011 at 12:33pm: The Mole wrote on Nov 24th, 2009 at 10:48am: Are men still chivalrous and respectful to women/females, do they essentially respect women for who they are - Or do they project the  media sterotypes here..ie: hoes and bitches, pole dancers,strippers,hookers  with glass heels etc..onto everyday women? thoughts.. There are some very lovely, respectful and intelligent gentlemen out there. And contrary to popular belief .. not all of them are married either. they're not married, because they are gay.

They're not married because they are divorced.

They are single again because they realise that life is short and they deserve the chance to experience a better relationship.

I'm chivalrous.
I allow the female to be on top just like Lilith intended it to be.

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 10^th, 2011 at 1:38pm:

I'm chivalrous. I allow the female to be on top just like Lilith intended it to be.

Who the fork is lilith?

... wrote on Jun 10^th, 2011 at 1:42pm:

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 10th, 2011 at 1:38pm: I'm chivalrous. I allow the female to be on top just like Lilith intended it to be. Who the fork is lilith?

Lilith is being from jewish mythology, possibly based on a Akkadian female demon (like a succubus)..
There's been a debate going since abouth the 10th century that she was Adam's first wife, but was too independent (or something) and was replaced with Eve, who was more submissive..

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 10^th, 2011 at 2:20pm:

... wrote on Jun 10th, 2011 at 1:42pm: It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 10th, 2011 at 1:38pm: I'm chivalrous. I allow the female to be on top just like Lilith intended it to be. Who the fork is lilith? Lilith is being from jewish mythology, possibly based on a Akkadian female demon (like a succubus).. There's been a debate going since abouth the 10th century that she was Adam's first wife, but was too independent (or something) and was replaced with Eve, who was more submissive..

Sounds like adam made the right choice.

... wrote on Jun 10^th, 2011 at 4:27pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 10th, 2011 at 2:20pm: ... wrote on Jun 10th, 2011 at 1:42pm: It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 10th, 2011 at 1:38pm: I'm chivalrous. I allow the female to be on top just like Lilith intended it to be. Who the fork is lilith? Lilith is being from jewish mythology, possibly based on a Akkadian female demon (like a succubus).. There's been a debate going since abouth the 10th century that she was Adam's first wife, but was too independent (or something) and was replaced with Eve, who was more submissive.. Sounds like adam made the right choice.

LOL maybe...although I 'think' the story was invented to annoy hardcore fundamentalists......mostly because it hints that god made a 'mistake'....which is naughty..

...and just remember, Lucifer (the serpent) seduced Eve. So although she was 'submissive' out of guilt, Adam was just going the slops.

Men and women see things differently:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_h_G-jL-uF0/TgLeIETMJOI/AAAAAAAAD1U/P-PRFvlv6B4/s1600/kliban_kliff.jpg

Inspired by the image soren posted [of a man getting an eyeful of 'strawberries' ? ].....





It is always best [for ourselves] if we can live fully in this present moment.    ;)


http://www.martialartsaustintx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/cliff.jpg


"...A man is being chased by a tiger. As he runs to a nearby cliff he finds he is able to climb it to escape the tiger. But as he gets about halfway up another tiger pokes his head over from the top of the cliff. So the man is stranded on the middle of the cliff, one tiger in front of him, one tiger behind. Then the man notices just to the side of him a single strawberry hanging off a strawberry bush. The man picks the strawberry, eats it, and says to himself “Mmmm. What a delicious strawberry.”

Though the story ends quite abruptly, its point is well made to whoever takes time to consider it. You see, the tiger chasing the man from behind is the Past. The tiger waiting for him ahead is the Future. But the single strawberry right beside him represents the present moment."

Lovely tale.
But I think the cartoon tells a fuller story of the human condition.

i think it tells a fuller story of the end of each neighbours episode :o

Cliff Richard wrote on Jun 24^th, 2011 at 8:31pm:

i think it tells a fuller story of the end of each neighbours episode :o

A woman  talking loudly to nobody in particular, oblivious to what's around her, a man hanging in there, ogling her arse with a hard on, not saying a word, just manufacturing sperm - I think that captures the human condition most concisely.

Soren wrote on Jun 25^th, 2011 at 10:44pm:

Cliff Richard wrote on Jun 24th, 2011 at 8:31pm: i think it tells a fuller story of the end of each neighbours episode :o A woman  talking loudly to nobody in particular, oblivious to what's around her, a man hanging in there, ogling her arse with a hard on, not saying a word, just manufacturing sperm - I think that captures the human condition most concisely.

Good God! I hope not!

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A woman  talking loudly to nobody in particular, oblivious to what's around her, a man hanging in there, ogling her arse with a hard on, not saying a word, just manufacturing sperm - I think that captures the human condition most concisely.

That's not what's happening. He's a fool who has fallen off a cliff and she's taking time out of her very busy day to save him. Of course, being a man he can't help noticing her panties despite his perilous situation.

THAT captures the human condition.

The Mole wrote on Nov 24^th, 2009 at 10:48am:

Are men still chivalrous and respectful to women/females, do they essentially respect women for who they are - Or do they project the  media sterotypes here..ie: hoes and bitches, pole dancers,strippers,hookers  with glass heels etc..onto everyday women? Have women lost something important due to men being bombarded with constant negative and insulting steroetyping of females..that something being the respect of men. ? Some  guys are drawing their impressions of women thru media imaging/speak..and do they really internalise this sh.it or is it more teenage boys /very immature males? For the most part is the same happening to men , are we drawing our impressions about men based on media representation? Even tho I find the sterotyping of males to be presented in a way that makes them more  dangerous/smooth player/bad boy etc..this could simply be because it is men who control the media..and want to project this cool/romantic notion of themselves I think Johnny Depp/Jack Sparrow is cute in a drunken piratey kind of way , but would he make a good partner etc. I dont think so. But he is  cute and a bit of a bad arse and thats the point I guess..women love him, he will sell a ticket or two. First impressions are based on these raunchy images constantly projected into the homes of teenagers  and which they soak this crap up like a sponge..they walk the walk and talk the talk..dont tell me they dont, I see it everywhere..little Beyonces/Lady Ga Gas..and P.Diddy, kanye West is so gangsta he is smchoozes past me everyday dressed immaculately right down to his Michael Jackson flats and Fedora... That said I dont think mens image is so badly tarnished by media..and thats not surprising, since its a male dominated world we live in.. thoughts..

Auzgirl,

You give the media way too much credit. Men get their way of dealing with women from their family, how their parents treated each other, from the values instilled in them by their mother mainly. If you see men mistreating women then so did their father. If you see men treating women as equals then thank their mothers.

Soren wrote on Jun 25^th, 2011 at 10:44pm:

Cliff Richard wrote on Jun 24th, 2011 at 8:31pm: i think it tells a fuller story of the end of each neighbours episode :o A woman  talking loudly to nobody in particular, oblivious to what's around her, a man hanging in there, ogling her arse with a hard on, not saying a word, just manufacturing sperm - I think that captures the human condition most concisely.

Hey Cliff, How old are you? Thirteen? Things change once you get through puberty little boy. The fact you use Cliff Richard's name says a lot about you doesn't it.

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Are men still chivalrous and respectful to women/females, do they essentially respect women for who they are - Or do they project the  media sterotypes here..ie: hoes and bitches, pole dancers,strippers,hookers  with glass heels etc..onto everyday women?

I'd suggest that men would like to be respectful of ladies. But if ladies choose to turn themselves into pole dancing whores, then they needn't expect respect from anybody other than their pole dancing whore peers.
Mission accomplished.

"With girls, Nature has had in view what is called in a dramatic sense a 'striking effect', for she endows them for a few years with a richness of beauty and a fullness of charm at the expense of the rest of their lives; so that they may during these years ensnare the fantasy of a man to such a degree as to make him rush into taking the honourable care of them, in some kind of form, for a lifetime – a step which would not seem sufficiently justified if he only considered the matter."
Schopenhauer

From the Greatest Living Scottish Thinker--Billy Connolly:

"If women are so bloody perfect at multitasking, how come they can't have a headache and sex at the same time?"

I bet your wife has a LOT of headaches.

I have a magic spell.

I say, Koran, 4:34."
She says "I feel better now."

Allah is most high, no? More powerful than even Aspirin.

Yes. Something tells me you need all the help you can get.

Yes. Something tells me you don't get headaches. You give 'em.

Mattera fact I got it now.

you can get it havin a flog

you can get it f*ckin ya dog

Careful, dahlink. Longy may take a big stick to you.

Women love me for my mind, then they set about changing me into somebody else. Then I bail. What is it with these lists of jobs that need doing urgently? I need time to think ;D

I think at 60 we wont have a problem. We can live seperately, have sleep overs, we're not trying to start a dynasty ffs, just to have some fun and compaionship, discuss things cultural and show off skills in the kitchen. But no, women have to have agendas, have to say 'you should' a lot and make out they're to thick to fix their own damn irrigation system.

Is irrigation system a euphemism?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 5:29pm:

Careful, dahlink. Longy may take a big stick to you.

Don't tell me he's fracking kinky to boot!?

::)

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 5:51pm:

Is irrigation system a euphemism?

Hell no, I can fix the 'plumbing' easy enough.