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Message started by sprintcyclist on Dec 22nd, 2009 at 10:54am

Title: A strong spiritual action
Post by sprintcyclist on Dec 22nd, 2009 at 10:54am

This is a strong move.
If it happened to me I don't know if I could do what they have done.
If i could not, the crash would end up killing me also.



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A DEVOUT Christian couple overnight forgave the drug-addled mother who killed their young son in a high speed crash in southwest England before going on the run for ten days.

Hannah Saaf, 28, a mother of twins, mounted the sidewalk at 61mph and plowed into 11-year-old Sam Riddall as he walked home from a church youth group in May.

She left the youngster trapped and dying under her car and fled the scene in Bristol, England.

Saaf - who had lost her driving license three months earlier - had been up all night smoking cannabis and was still stoned.

A judge overnight ordered her to be detained indefinitely in a hospital after hearing how she had suffered mental health problems since 2003.

She has bipolar disorder and was admitted to mental health institutions four times in the year before the tragic accident in May.

Outside court Sam's parents Martin, 45, and Rachel, 39, who have three other sons, said: "In four days we will celebrate Christmas for the first time without Sam.

"It's going to be very hard for us indeed because we still miss him very much.

"At Christmas we remember God sending Jesus into the world to bring peace. It's this same God who is giving us strength to forgive Hannah for the terrible thing she has done to us by killing our son.

"It's not easy, it's not going to be easy but with God's help we know it can be done."

Saaf admitted causing death by dangerous driving, failing to stop or report an accident and driving without a valid licence and insurance.


http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26516549-954,00.html

Title: Re: A strong spiritual action
Post by Amadd on Dec 25th, 2009 at 12:25am
Bah..Humbug.
They should press for the gallows if they truly believe in the intention of God.
It's just self-delusion.


Title: Re: A strong spiritual action
Post by Sip on May 10th, 2010 at 9:18am
I think forgiveness, however unpopular it may be, allows one to get over their suffering quicker. I don't think it makes things easier necessarily. Its like saying, "Granted, we have lost our son, we can a) hold a grudge towards this lady which doesn't bring our son back and only makes us more miserable or b) we can try to accept as best as we can what has happened and get on with our lives.

We can't move on less we forgive. Forgiveness doesn't mean we let people of the hook. To me it means the desire to let go of unnecessary negative emotion and getting on with life.

We don't have to forgive, we can stay angry and resentful as long as we want. Till we don't want to. You don't have to be Christian to benefit from forgiveness. But it helps to have some sense of spirituality I'm sure.

Ps. It's ### harder to forgive, and it makes you a real man. I don't know where we got this notion that ruthless opiniated anger makes a real man...? However I'm still working at the forgiveness business.

Title: Re: A strong spiritual action
Post by Soren on Jun 29th, 2010 at 11:37am
Here's strong spiritual action, a French way of saying 'sorry' and paying tribute to the great rainbow serpent.


"My project is a tribute to the greatness of The Rock. What we need to remember is that traditionally, the Aboriginal people were living naked. So stripping down was a return to what it was like....I want to give people the courage to believe in themselves. If I can do a strip on Ayers Rock, then anything is possible."


Is 'you go, girl' in order? Is she thanked for empowering young women with her example?

Title: Re: A strong spiritual action
Post by muso on Jun 29th, 2010 at 2:17pm
Well, as the elders said, her mistake was in not showing respect for ancient aboriginal traditions and customs.

And as we all know, the ancient aboriginal tradition is to go completely naked   ;)

Title: Re: A strong spiritual action
Post by Amadd on Jun 30th, 2010 at 8:14am
She should "repent" personally, at my place.

I'll even black up for the occasion....if that's what turns her on :)






Title: Re: A strong spiritual action
Post by sprintcyclist on Jun 30th, 2010 at 8:22am

you're a good man amadd :-)

To err is human, to forgive divine .........

Title: Re: A strong spiritual action
Post by helian on Jun 30th, 2010 at 9:07am
To err is human.

To forgive? A lost opportunity for unending self-righteous indignation and financial compensation. ;D


Title: Re: A strong spiritual action
Post by Amadd on Jun 30th, 2010 at 9:29am

Quote:
you're a good man amadd

To err is human, to forgive divine .........


Yep, ..anything for good sex is indeed a divine and altruistic quality  ;D


Title: Re: A strong spiritual action
Post by Amadd on Jun 30th, 2010 at 9:53am

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To forgive? A lost opportunity for unending self-righteous indignation and financial compensation.


Forgiveness is all in the realisation that this is what they are all about and that you have already taken this into acoount, and it will have no personal effect upon you.
If there is a legislated personal effect upon you, then forgiveness is due to the legislators...just moments before they die  ;D








Title: Re: A strong spiritual action
Post by Deborahmac09 on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 3:11pm
People believe that forgiveness allows them to carry on.

There was a Perth Man in the early 90's who lost his wife, son and unborn child on Christmas night.

He forgave the kid who did it, until that kid stole another car.

Title: Re: A strong spiritual action
Post by locutius on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 3:33pm
Nah, I'd kill her and then carry on.

Would it help? Yes, in a small way, just to know that the trash has been put away.

Would it bring my boy back? No. As a parent you'd swap your own life for your children.


Title: Re: A strong spiritual action
Post by sprintcyclist on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 3:49pm

The legal system still applies, that is beside forgiveness.

Forgiving is a personal thing

Title: Re: A strong spiritual action
Post by locutius on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 4:00pm
Yes that is a fact, but after such a tragedy you have to be able to find something to smile about.

Title: Re: A strong spiritual action
Post by locutius on Jul 2nd, 2010 at 4:31pm

Sip wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 9:18am:
I think forgiveness, however unpopular it may be, allows one to get over their suffering quicker. I don't think it makes things easier necessarily. Its like saying, "Granted, we have lost our son, we can a) hold a grudge towards this lady which doesn't bring our son back and only makes us more miserable or b) we can try to accept as best as we can what has happened and get on with our lives.

We can't move on less we forgive. Forgiveness doesn't mean we let people of the hook. To me it means the desire to let go of unnecessary negative emotion and getting on with life.

We don't have to forgive, we can stay angry and resentful as long as we want. Till we don't want to. You don't have to be Christian to benefit from forgiveness. But it helps to have some sense of spirituality I'm sure.

Ps. It's ### harder to forgive, and it makes you a real man. I don't know where we got this notion that ruthless opiniated anger makes a real man...? However I'm still working at the forgiveness business.


Other than the "manly" thing you're going on about I could have said something similar to this before I had children.

I intellectualised the depth of feeling I would have for them before I ever met them....within minutes I realised just how far below the mark I had actually aimed.

I can forgive a lot of things...so many things in life are trivial and inconsequensial. But this....no, I would never forgive.

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