normal where muslims do not assimilate. which they never do.
will this be one of the first of murders amongst a muslim family due to their repressive violent ideology ???????


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A GOLD Coast teenager allegedly murdered her mother and tried to kill her father because she wanted to switch from Islam to Christianity and move to Sydney with her boyfriend, a court heard today. Prosecutor Michael Byrne, SC, told a Supreme Court jury in Brisbane that Kaihana Tahseen Hussain used an umbrella of her desire for more freedom as an excuse to stab her mother and father at their Smith Street unit, at Southport, 3 1/2 years ago. He said central to the case was a man named "Ben Brady", who Kaihana was in love with, and the "city of Sydney" where she wanted to live. Mr Byrne said the jury would hear how neighbours found Doctor Muhammad Nural Hussain and his wife Shaheda Yasmeen Hussain bleeding profusely on the floor of the unit, shortly after 7pm. Kaihana, who some superficial injuries, was found sitting at the unit's front door. Earlier there had been sounds of a loud arguments coming from the unit. Mr Byrne told the jury there were only three people in the unit at the time and one was knifed to death and another nearly died from a knife wound. He said the issue was whether the prosecution could prove beyond reasonable doubt Kaihana had inflicted the stab wounds. Mr Byrne said Muhammad would say he had returned from work when his daughter had blindfolded him. He thought she was going to give him a present. But he felt a sharp pain in his chest and abdomen and heard his wife cry out their daughter had stabbed her. Mr Byrne told the court Kaihana repeatedly made claims her father had killed her mother and inflicted wounds on himeslf. He said the prosecution would call evidence it said would counter those clams. Kaihana Hussain, now 20, pleaded not guilty to murdering Shaheda Hussain, and not  guilty to attempting to murder Muhammad Hussain, on October 9, 2006. She also pleaded not guilty to an alternate charge of causing grievous bodily harm with intent to Muhammad Hussain. In his opening Mr Byrne said the crown would call evidence to show instead of being domineering the Hussains had made many sacrifices for their daughter. He detailed how the couple were living in Iraq when Shadeda became pregnant with their only child, Kaihana, who was born in their native Bangladesh and she had a cleft lip. Mr Byrne said over the next few years the family moved from Thailand to Zambia to South Africa where Dr Hussain gained better jobs and got better medical care to correct the cleft lip. He said eventually Muhammad was qualified to come Australia and originally worked in rural South Australia at Coober Pedy, Renmark and Bordertown before moving to Adelaide. Mr Byrne said it was then the Hussains became aware Kaihana was communicating on the internet with a man named Ben Brady who lived in Sydney. He said after an argument Kaihana went to Sydney but returned after her family threatened legal action. Mr Byrne went on to explain how Kaihana and Shaheda went to Bangladesh for a wedding and while they were away Muhhamed got a job on the Gold Coast, in October 2006. Kaihana and Shaheda returned to join Muhammad on the Gold Coast and they moved into the Smith Street unit. Mr Bryne said it would alleged that Kaihana continued to complain about her parents being too strict which led to the argument on October 9, five days after she turned 17. The trial before Justice Margaret White continues.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26667566-952,00.html

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2010 at 3:39pm:

normal where muslims do not assimilate. which they never do.

A sweeping statement, Sprint ?  ::)

just call me "The Big Broom"

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2010 at 10:35am:

just call me "The Big Broom"

OK

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...because she wanted to switch from Islam to Christianity and move to Sydney with her boyfriend, a court heard today. Prosecutor Michael Byrne, SC, told a Supreme Court jury in Brisbane that Kaihana Tahseen Hussain used an umbrella of her desire for more freedom

Seems quite clear what kind of beliefs were driving her actions, and they certainly weren't Islamic.

The ironic thing is, if the roles were reversed, and it was a Christian converting to Islam and wanting a more strict Islamic lifestyle, you'd lay the blame on Islam as well.

You're a goose, really.

She was a believer in Christianity and freedom it seems, not Islam.

Be man enough to take responsiblity for your own.

Christianity, boyfriend, unabated desires for destructive freedoms... sorry, she's one of yours.

the strictness of her parents (islam) drove her actions.

prob her knowledge of moh's violent life gave her actions credance.

could you show us in the NT where it ok's killing ?

Can you show me in the Qur'an where it's ok to kill your parents because they won't let you fornicate with your boyfriend???? Or in fact for any reason at all??

Anyway as I said, just be man enough to admit she's one of yours.

She embraced Christianity, and she embraced the Australian way of life. Which honestly doesn't instill a lot of respect for parents into kids....

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.....she wanted to switch from Islam to Christianity.....

that's besides the point. Lots of christians do lots of bad stuff.

more to your point is, was that in keeping with jesus message ?
course not. "Do unto others ....."


respect is not something given cause a couple had sex decades ago.
it is earned.

Actually the NT does mention this:

Mat 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against [their] parents, and cause them to be put to death.

So there we have it, kill your parents, from the NT.


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respect is not something given cause a couple had sex decades ago. it is earned.

That's not what your NT teaches...

Col 3:18-20 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. Husbands, love [your] wives, and be not bitter against them. Children, obey [your] parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.

Note the part about wives being submissive to their husbands too  ;D

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 4^th, 2010 at 11:55am:

Actually the NT does mention this: Mat 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against [their] parents, and cause them to be put to death. So there we have it, kill your parents, from the NT.

Abu, again... If you believe Islam requires it, then learn to be more sly and artful in your deceit.

in context abu


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17"Be on your guard against men; they will hand you over to the local councils and flog you in their synagogues. 18On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. 21"Brother will betray brother to death,........

so it was what was going to happen to the apostles.
NOT an instruction for them to do.
they were to be the victims, not the opressors.



sure, obey your parents, IF they merit it.


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18Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. 19Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them. 20Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord. 21Fathers, do not embitter your children, or they will become discouraged.

also notice it says love and do not be harsh with wives.
whereas moh says scourge them and shag them as you want.

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Abu, again... If you believe Islam requires it, then learn to be more sly and artful in your deceit.

Helian I was hoping you'd pick up on this one.  :)

Don't you remember our little discussion last year about the gathering of Israel being predicted in the Islamic texts? and your claim that this prediction therefore made it right and something Muslims should support??

Well now it's come back to haunt you hasn't it. Because it's predicted children will kill their parents in the Bible, so therefore it must be right and something Christians should support.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 4^th, 2010 at 12:58pm:

Quote: Abu, again... If you believe Islam requires it, then learn to be more sly and artful in your deceit. Helian I was hoping you'd pick up on this one.  :)

Yairs... Of course you were ;)


abu_rashid wrote on Feb 4^th, 2010 at 12:58pm:

Don't you remember our little discussion last year about the gathering of Israel being predicted in the Islamic texts? and your claim that this prediction therefore made it right and something Muslims should support?? Well now it's come back to haunt you hasn't it. Because it's predicted children will kill their parents in the Bible, so therefore it must be right and something Christians should support.

If you're a believer in the drivel that is religious prophecy (which boil down to "people will do bad things one day" or "a cataclysmic event will occur in the future"), then you're bound to accept that they must happen exactly as quoted, because... Are religious texts not infallible and therefore indisputable? Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Your surrender is demanded and expected. God doesn't ask one's opinion, does he?

Surprise surprise this Christian murderer was acquitted of the murder of her mother and attempted murder of her father, and the jury even hugged her afterwards (no doubt a few devout Christians amongst them).

But don't worry the Aussie justice system is intact, there's no problems at all. It's only Muslims that it's beginning to routinely deal unjustly with not Christians, so don't fear just yet.

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Speed of Hussain murder acquittal verdict 'unusual'

A former Queensland Supreme Court judge says it was unusual for a jury to acquit a woman accused of murder so quickly.

Kaihana Hussain, 20, was yesterday found not guilty of fatally stabbing her mother and injuring her father in the family's Gold Coast unit in 2006.

The jury took about an hour to make its decision to acquit Ms Hussain.

Former judge James Thomas says that is rare.

"That's very unusual - these days juries seem to deliberate longer than they used to, but one hour for a murder case I think is quite unusual," he said.

He also says it is not against the law for jurors to interact with a person they have acquitted of murder.

After her trial, several jurors hugged her and wished her well.

Justice Thomas says that is not illegal and he can understand why it happened.

"The jurors and the accused watch each other during a stressful trial, lasting days, and they see each other's reactions and emotions and it's possible they felt some sympathy with the accused and that there was a boil over at the end," he said.

Source: Your ABC

Mebbe because she wasn't smirkin' and denouncin'.

I wonder what happenned there.


did the daughter kill her own mum?
and try to kill her dad, cause they put a lifelong complete curfew on her?

posssibly.


did the dad kill his wife, then injure himself in a fit of rage?
perhaps the mum was taking the daugheters side in her wishesand the dad "flipped out"
did his extremist islamic thing and lost it totally ?

possibly.


will we ever know, probably not.

I feel the same way, there are possibilities and until we have mind reading machines that cannot be fooled we will never know.

But if I had to choose myself I would take daughters side.
(I read few books on the subject involving daughters, who will not blindly obey their fathers, so I might be biased)

Well knowing the cultural history of daughters being killed by their family for shameing them, by not following their strict rules, as well as the occurrence of some muslims feeling obliged to kill their own family members, if they think they are guilty of apostasy, the girl may have felt these actions were imminent and was acting in defense of her own life.

Happy,


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I read few books on the subject involving daughters, who will not blindly obey their fathers, so I might be biased

You mean the ones by Jordanian girls which turned out to be penned by Americans who'd not been in Jordan since long before the supposed events?

Why am I not surprised that's where you get your "informed opinion" from??

Mozza,


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the girl may have felt these actions were imminent and was acting in defense of her own life.

So let me see if I understand your thoughts here mozza. If a Christian imagines she might possibly be harmed by Muslims, she can knife them? And that's alright.

And also if Christians imagine that some Muslims might possibly have been perhaps thinking about a terrorist act, they can sentence them to 28 years in gaol right??

I see... interesting.

no, mozzaok did not say that.
we were wondering just what did hapen.

any ideas ?

Seems to me she was a rebellious and immoral girl, who wanted to play around with a boyfriend, and her parents tried to advise her that this is not a good path to take in life. So as Western/Christian ideology teaches, when anyone tries to tell you what to you, stick it to them!! so she gutted one, and tried her hand at the other. Then got let off for it, cos she was an apostate from Islam.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 19^th, 2010 at 2:20pm:

Seems to me she was a rebellious and immoral girl, who wanted to play around with a boyfriend, and her parents tried to advise her that this is not a good path to take in life. So as Western/Christian ideology teaches, when anyone tries to tell you what to you, stick it to them!! so she gutted one, and tried her hand at the other. Then got let off for it, cos she was an apostate from Islam.

"her parents tried to advise her' in the usual Muslim manner. That's enough to send a shiver down anyone's spine.  
http://www.gendercide.org/case_honour.html

I'm not sure if you're privy to information that I'm not soren, but as far as I know about the case her parents never did anything to her. Unless you can prove otherwise, then the use of stereotypes here isn't really as helpful as you seem to think.

Look, the jury heard all the evidence, in an open court, presented by both sides. They were then instructed by the judge and retired. In an hour, they had a verdict.

If they got it wrong, the system allows for a couple of rounds of appeals and the presentation of more evidence if there is any. There are enough muslim charities that can chip in to fund a QC or two if you blieve that this is a case of yet more blatant anti-muslim bias and they will be heard in an open court.

On the other hand, under the system you are hot for, none of the above would apply and she'd be stoned to death by now.

abu you deciever -


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........."Honour" killings of women can be defined as acts of murder in which "a woman is killed for her actual or perceived immoral behavior." (Yasmeen Hassan, "The Fate of Pakistani Women," International Herald Tribune, May 25, 1999.) Such "immoral behavior" may take the form of marital infidelity, refusing to submit to an arranged marriage, demanding a divorce, flirting with or receiving phone calls from men, failing to serve a meal on time, or -- grotesquely -- "allowing herself" to be raped............

http://www.gendercide.org/case_honour.html

you disgusting creep.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 19^th, 2010 at 2:20pm:

Seems to me she was a rebellious and immoral girl, who wanted to play around with a boyfriend, and her parents tried to advise her that this is not a good path to take in life.

At the very least she should have asked her boyfriend to sign the pleasure marriage certificate. Just to hoodwink Allah the proper way.  The clever Musulman way.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/26020
Pleasure-marriage contract with a 9-year-old girl: Rami 'Aleiq, the former head of the Hizbullah Students Union at the American University in Beirut, gave an interview about himself to Rotana Music TV on August 25, 2008, and which MEMRI has today made available. In it, the interviewer quotes 'Aleiq's book:

When I went on trips, I used to go secretly with several young friends to the Al-Marja neighborhood in Damascus. We would go to a hotel in order to have sex with prostitutes for 500 Syrian liras per half hour. … None of us would make physical contact with the girl he chose before signing a formal pleasure-marriage contract with her.

Rami 'Aleiq, former Hizbullah student leader and patron of 9-year-old prostitutes.


The interviewer then asks: "Isn't marriage meant to be out of pure intentions? Weren't you conning God this way?" 'Aleiq replies: "You're right. Pleasure-marriage means conning God, as well as ourselves. I am against this way of relating to sex and to women. … This is something that still goes on. It is wrong."

The interviewer asks if 'Aleiq was "an observant Shiite Muslim from Hizbullah?" and 'Aleiq nods in agreement.

The interviewer asks: "How did you ever dare to sign a pleasure-marriage contract with a nine-year-old girl?" and 'Aleiq replies: "In our culture, in order to be able to touch a girl or a woman, there must be a contract of pleasure-marriage."

The interviewer notes: "We are talking about a nine-year-old girl ...," prompting 'Aleiq to justify his actions:

Sure. In Islam, and this is what we were taught, a girl is mature from the age of nine. This is true with regard to Sunnis as well as Shiites. You are focusing on Shia Islam, because I am a Shiite, but according to religious jurisprudence, a girl is mature at the age of nine. This is where we got this idea. I was a child, and so was she, so I was not allowed to touch her, if I didn't form with her the kind of relation that permitted this.

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The interviewer asks if 'Aleiq was "an observant Shiite Muslim...

Here is the key piece of information. This is a shi'a deviancy and has nothing at all to do with the overwhelming 90% majority of Muslims. As usual though, this is about all you can dig up.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 20^th, 2010 at 8:56am:

Quote: The interviewer asks if 'Aleiq was "an observant Shiite Muslim... This is a shi'a deviancy and has nothing at all to do with the overwhelming 90% majority of Muslims.

You talk as if you differentiated between the various denominations of Christians.


At any rate, seeing 9 year old girls as sexually available is Muslim thing:
"Sure. In Islam, and this is what we were taught, a girl is mature from the age of nine. This is true with regard to Sunnis as well as Shiites. You are focusing on Shia Islam, because I am a Shiite, but according to religious jurisprudence, a girl is mature at the age of nine. This is where we got this idea. I was a child, and so was she, so I was not allowed to touch her, if I didn't form with her the kind of relation that permitted this."

Since your conversion to Islam, do you see any of your kids' classmates in year 3 as sexually attrctive and available (subject to a deal with her father).



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As usual though, this is about all you can dig up.

Dig up is a wild overstatement. This stuff is everywhere, As a matter of fact, one of our main peeves is that the stuff cannot be avoided - bizarre or dangerous Muslim practices and ideas are all around us.

Just don't understand how come not more women speak out.
They must believe some of that stuff too, or are too firghtened.


Even loans seem to have similar total repayment cost, but called differently.

Who can with straight face say that interest is not part of the deal?
Looks that some can.