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Message started by muso on Apr 26th, 2010 at 12:15am

Title: Vatican denies link between celibacy and abuse
Post by muso on Apr 26th, 2010 at 12:15am

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THE Pope's right-hand man insists there is no cause-and-effect link between priestly celibacy and the child abuse scandal rocking the Roman Catholic Church.

"There is no direct link between celibacy and the deviant behaviour of certain priests," Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, Vatican secretary of state, told the Spanish newspaper Vanguardia.

"On the contrary, it is precisely the failure to remain celibate that gradually degrades the life of a priest, until he ceases to be an example, a gift, a spiritual guide for others.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/no-link-etween-celibacy-and-abuse-says-popes-right-hand-man-cardinal-tarcisio-bertone/story-e6freoox-1225858114334

I guess he has a point. Those priests who remain celibate are not committing abuse. (by definition)

:)

Title: Re: Vatican denies link between celibacy and abuse
Post by mozzaok on Apr 26th, 2010 at 4:08pm
Look, if they were really serious about it they would just lop the whole wedding tackle off, so the fact that they do not shows a distinct lack of conviction for their claimed goal.

The problems of nocturnal emissions is ever present for these poor mongrels who are taught that their natural sexuality is a satanic lure, which plays havoc with their mental health.

In the words of the classics,
It just aint natural.

Title: Re: Vatican denies link between celibacy and abuse
Post by JaeMi on Apr 26th, 2010 at 6:31pm
I don't think there is any relationship between celibacy and abuse. I'm sure there were studies that showed that incidence of abuse between Catholic priests and Protestant ministers were around the same. School teachers were a bit lower. I think pedophiles actively seek work where they will be around young children. Of course, gaining professional recognition as a teacher is much more difficult, hence the lower rate.

Title: Re: Vatican denies link between celibacy and abuse
Post by Grendel on Apr 26th, 2010 at 6:49pm
You're a classic Mozz  :D
(Oy, did you watch Dead bang yet?)

Celibacy and sexual abuse are not linked at least one does not cause the other.  Many people choose to be celibate (apart from Priests) and we don't have a global epidemic of sexual abuse due to it.


Title: Re: Vatican denies link between celibacy and abuse
Post by mozzaok on May 28th, 2010 at 4:07pm

Quote:
Many people choose to be celibate (apart from Priests) and we don't have a global epidemic of sexual abuse due to it.


How about a global demand for tissues and lube?

Title: Re: Vatican denies link between celibacy and abuse
Post by Soren on May 29th, 2010 at 2:16pm
What are the stats on sexual abuse and/or lube 'n tissue abuse among Buddhist monks?
Either they are celibate and serene or their abuses are still suppressed.

Title: Re: Vatican denies link between celibacy and abuse
Post by JaeMi on May 29th, 2010 at 10:05pm

Soren wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 2:16pm:
What are the stats on sexual abuse and/or lube 'n tissue abuse among Buddhist monks?
Either they are celibate and serene or their abuses are still suppressed.


I think the abuses are still suppressed, but I don't think celibacy has anything to do with it.

Title: Re: Vatican denies link between celibacy and abuse
Post by mozzaok on May 31st, 2010 at 2:52pm
I know, the pope should just direct the clergy to not use condoms.
That has worked really well in stopping people in africa having sex.

Title: Re: Vatican denies link between celibacy and abuse
Post by locutius on May 31st, 2010 at 4:19pm

mozzaok wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 2:52pm:
I know, the pope should just direct the clergy to not use condoms.
That has worked really well in stopping people in africa having sex.

;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Vatican denies link between celibacy and abuse
Post by Soren on May 31st, 2010 at 4:45pm

mozzaok wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 2:52pm:
I know, the pope should just direct the clergy to not use condoms.
That has worked really well in stopping people in africa having sex.



Mozz, we covered this stupid excuse already. You don't actually believe that these randy fvckers ignore the church when it comes to its teaching on adultery but religiously toe the line about condoms?


Title: Re: Vatican denies link between celibacy and abuse
Post by Imperium on May 31st, 2010 at 5:39pm
I have always found it silly that people attempt to attribute the problem of out-of-control-birth-rates entirely to the Catholic church's stance on artifical contraception and not testosterone-fueled prurience.

African males can't keep their dicks in their pants. They have the lowest average age rates of first time sexual intercourse, the highest intercourse frequency rates, and even more interestingly, Africans tend to have the highest twinning-rates per 1000 births; at around 16 to Asians (the lowest), at 4. There's some weird sh*t going on there. Soren is right; if Catholic doctrine is really getting through to them on condoms, then why is it not getting through to them on adultery and rape?

Title: Re: Vatican denies link between celibacy and abuse
Post by helian on May 31st, 2010 at 6:00pm

Soren wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 4:45pm:

mozzaok wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 2:52pm:
I know, the pope should just direct the clergy to not use condoms.
That has worked really well in stopping people in africa having sex.



Mozz, we covered this stupid excuse already. You don't actually believe that these randy fvckers ignore the church when it comes to its teaching on adultery but religiously toe the line about condoms?

Ahhh... Wasn't that Mozz being ironic?

Take a happy pill, Soren.

Title: Re: Vatican denies link between celibacy and abuse
Post by Soren on May 31st, 2010 at 6:41pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 6:00pm:

Soren wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 4:45pm:

mozzaok wrote on May 31st, 2010 at 2:52pm:
I know, the pope should just direct the clergy to not use condoms.
That has worked really well in stopping people in africa having sex.



Mozz, we covered this stupid excuse already. You don't actually believe that these randy fvckers ignore the church when it comes to its teaching on adultery but religiously toe the line about condoms?

Ahhh... Wasn't that Mozz being ironic?

Take a happy pill, Soren.



Misplaced irony. I'm ironic about the trandy fvckers. That's the well-placed irony.
;)


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