Name 10 Muslim women who have made an impact on the world. Apostates like Wafa Sultan or Hirshi Ali do not count. Nor do assassinated ones like Benazir Bhutto.

OK, 5.

Ok, one other than Miss Amerikkka, Hezballah babe Rima Fakih.

Zainab Salbi.

Rebiya Kadeer, Chinese Uighur activist, and once, one of the richest businesspeople in China (now in exile in the US).

Even George W Bush admires her.

But alas, I must be wrong. How could a backward, repressed (and dirt-poor) Muslim woman become one of the richest people in China, and then go on to lead a movement against one of the strongest countries in the world?

Ah - it couldn't happen.

maybe ......... she did not live in an islamic country ??

same as Zainab Salbi.

Right. There do seem to be a lot of rules in this game...

yes, the more islamic a country gets, the more repressed and insane it  gets too.

same as people

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 22^nd, 2010 at 10:59pm:

maybe ......... she did not live in an islamic country ?? same as Zainab Salbi.

That wasn't part of the criteria, Sprint. So Muslims who do wonderful things when they're living in the West don't count, but Muslims who do bad things do?

Does your hatred of Islam prevent you from even acknowledging that both these women have changed the lives of (at the very least) hundreds of thousands of people?

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 22^nd, 2010 at 10:34am:

Zainab Salbi.

I said famous. Well-known.

How many women who come from a population group which come from population groups with average IQs close to probably 85 make an 'impact on the world', exactly?

Men are more or less the dominant sex -- let's not kid ourselves here. There have been many exceptional female achievers, but they have always paled in comparison to exceptional male achievers, and I am willing to go out on a limb and say that this will always be true. There's absolutely no reason women should find this offensive; men and women have different psychological constitutions that gear them, group by group, towards different outcomes in life. Only insecure women find this suggestion offensive.

Throw in low general intelligence and all the rest and it's pretty obvious why you can count 'impactful' Muslim women on a hand and a half.

Soren wrote on May 23^rd, 2010 at 5:54pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 22nd, 2010 at 10:34am: Zainab Salbi. I said famous. Well-known.

And I provided you with an example of one. Just because you don't know her doesn't mean she's not famous and well-known.


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Salbi has been honored by Former President Bill Clinton for her work in Bosnia and Herzegovina, named Time Magazine's “Innovator of the Month” and received Forbes’ Trailblazer Award. Salbi is a World Economic Forum young global leader and is a member of the International Women's Forum and a member at the Council of Foreign Relations. She is also currently serving as a member of WITNESS board of Directors and as member of a UN civil society advisory group formed in the spirit of Security Council Resolution 1325 to advise on greater integration of women in peace and security efforts. She was also recently awarded the 2010 David Rockefeller Bridging Leadership Award for her work in helping women survivors of war rebuild their lives. Her work has been featured in major media outlets, including eight appearances on “The Oprah Winfrey Show” as well as CNN, The Washington Post and The New York Times. Salbi is the author (with Laurie Becklund) of the national best selling book Between Two Worlds: Escape from Tyranny: Growing Up in the Shadow of Saddam, that is an account of life in Iraq and the hold that Saddam Hussein had over her family. She documents the stories of women survivors of wars in her second book The Other Side of War: Women's Stories of Survival and Hope. She has a master’s degree in Development Studies from the London School of Economics and BA in Sociology and Women's Studies from George Mason University.  She is a blogger for Marie Claire Magazine and the Huffington Post

The organisation that she founded has helped over 1/4 of a million female victims of war learn about their rights and a trade to support themselves.

I'd call that changing the world.

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let's not kid ourselves here. There have been many exceptional female achievers, but they have always paled in comparison to exceptional male achievers, and I am willing to go out on a limb and say that this will always be true.

Don't kid yourself. Women are only just getting started.

Also, your attempt to head off any counterargument from a woman by saying she must be insecure to be offended by blatant sexism is transparent.

Oh please, Annie. You're so brainwashed by Tabula Rasaism you find the very suggestion -- which is obvious, that men and women have differently constituted brains that function differently from one to the other, offensive. It really is ridiculous to think anybody who may believe so to be motivated by "sexism" -- somehow to believe that men are geared towards different types of behavior which may involve a drive for higher achievement is in anyway suggestive that the holder of that belief thinks that women are therefore, inferior to men, is not only absurd, but offensive. Full stop.

But maybe not; the man in this video is actually me :D :D :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJRwIf1FF0

aikmann4 wrote on May 23^rd, 2010 at 6:20pm:

Oh please, Annie. You're so brainwashed by Tabula Rasaism you find the very suggestion -- which is obvious, that men and women have differently constituted brains that function differently from one to the other, offensive. It really is ridiculous to think anybody who may believe so to be motivated by "sexism" -- somehow to believe that men are geared towards different types of behavior which may involve a drive for higher achievement is in anyway suggestive that the holder of that belief thinks that women are therefore, inferior to men, is not only absurd, but offensive. Full stop.

The assumption that women are mentally less capable than men in certain areas simply because they're female and therefore 'geared toward different types of behaviour' is sexist.

Who says less mentally capable? Men and women have the same level of general intelligence (though recent research is actually contending this point -- the jury is out on whether or not it's true; wait a few years more for a more conclusive verdict. Though don't worry, the gap propounded is miniscule), but they do have different cognitive profiles, so in a sense, yes, they are differently mentally capable, but overall equally so. Men can't communicate, women can't read maps ;) That old line actually has a considerable degree of merit, as observed in the variation between the cognitive profiles of men and women.

Capability is not the issue here. It is how both tend and prefer to behave that is.

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There have been many exceptional female achievers, but they have always paled in comparison to exceptional male achievers, and I am willing to go out on a limb and say that this will always be true.

Well if they're not less mentally capable then why will exceptional female achievers always pale in comparison to their male ccounterparts?

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 23^rd, 2010 at 6:44pm:

Quote: There have been many exceptional female achievers, but they have always paled in comparison to exceptional male achievers, and I am willing to go out on a limb and say that this will always be true. Well if they're not less mentally capable then why will exceptional female achievers always pale in comparison to their male ccounterparts?

Testosterone.

I meant the total numbers, not necessarily the levels of achievement of both. Of course, have seen more high female achievers over the past sixty or so years -- I just don't think that we're going to see proportional representation in the domain of so called "high achievement" between the two sexes, ever.

But when people think of "high achievement", they think of things like being successful in politics, academia, business or the sciences, as if these were the only fields to "achieve highly" in. A woman who dedicates herself completely and tirelessly to the bringing up of a child is most definitely a high achiever in the most important field the human species engages.


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Testosterone.

Yep. In a way, the testosterone hormone is somewhat of a "master switch". Coupled with the right psychological characteristics, high testosterone will make you unstoppable. Coupled with the WRONG characteristics, you will be a nuisance to society.

Why do you think so many men go out of their way to achieve so highly? The answer, Annie, is in your mirror.

WE WANT WOMEN!

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Why do you think so many men go out of their way to achieve so highly? The answer, Annie, is in your mirror. WE WANT WOMEN!

Unless you're David Campbell...   ;)

LOL

It's true though. So many of us are out there pushing ourselves to the absolute limit with one end goal in mind: babes. I probably think about sex every twenty seconds. I'm utterly consumed by it and I definitely consider it the primary motivation for my continued existence.

aikmann4 wrote on May 23^rd, 2010 at 8:14pm:

LOL It's true though. So many of us are out there pushing ourselves to the absolute limit with one end goal in mind: babes. I probably think about sex every twenty seconds. I'm utterly consumed by it and I definitely consider it the primary motivation for my continued existence.

And that's what women want.

aikmann4 wrote on May 23^rd, 2010 at 6:50pm:

WE WANT WOMEN!

VOGLIO UNA DONNAAAAAA!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au02p8huOuU


enkidoo wants shamhat.

And he, Enkidu, whose origin is the mountain,
Who eats vegetation with gazelles,
Drinks at the watering place with cattle,
Satisfied his need for water with wild beasts.
Shamhat looked at the primitive man,
The murderous youth from the depths of open country.
 
"Here he is, Shamhat, bare your bosom,
Open your legs and let him take in your attractions!
Do not pull away, take wind of him!
He will see you and come close to you.
Spread open your garments, and let him lie upon you,
Do for him, the primitive man, as women do.
Then his cattle, who have grown up in open country with him,
will become alien to him.
His love-making he will lavish upon you!"
 
Shamhat loosened her undergarments, opened her legs and he took in her attractions.
She did not pull away. She took wind of him,
Spread open her garments, and he lay upon her.
She did for him, the primitive man, as women do.
His love-making he lavished upon her.
For six days and seven nights Enkidu was aroused and poured himself into Shamhat.
 
When he was sated with her charms,
He set his face towards the open country of his cattle.
The gazelles saw Enkidu and scattered,
The cattle of open country kept away from his body.
For Enkidu had stripped; his body was too clean.
His legs, which used to keep pace with his cattle, were at a standstill.
Enkidu had been diminished, he could not run as before.
Yet he had acquired judgment, had become wiser.
He turned back, he sat at the harlot's feet.
The harlot was looking at his expression,
And he listened attentively to what the harlot said.
The harlot spoke to him, to Enkidu,
 
"You have become wise Enkidu, you have become like a god.
Why should you roam open country with wild beasts?
Come, let me take you into Uruk the Sheepfold,
To the pure house, the dwelling of Anu and Ishtar,
Where Gilgamesh is perfect in strength,
And is like a wild bull, more powerful than any of the people."
 
She spoke to him, and her speech was acceptable.

Soren wrote on May 21^st, 2010 at 9:33pm:

Name 10 Muslim women who have made an impact on the world.

Why don't you google it you lazy twat? You should easily find a couple of hundred.

I think I just answered my own question.

10? there's only need for 1.

If we consider a woman like Ayesha bint Abi Bakr (May God be pleased with her) then she's had more influence on the world than the most influential women after her all put together.

It is said that 2/3 of Islam comes from her narration and teaching and scholarship in Islam, and therefore she has directly impacted the lives of about 1/4 of the world's population today, and many many more from her time till now.

My question to you soren, name one woman who's had even 1/10th of that impact on humanity.

Paella wrote on Jun 1^st, 2010 at 1:18am:

Soren wrote on May 21st, 2010 at 9:33pm: Name 10 Muslim women who have made an impact on the world. Why don't you google it you lazy twat? You should easily find a couple of hundred. I think I just answered my own question.

.

Paella wrote on Jun 1^st, 2010 at 1:18am:

Soren wrote on May 21st, 2010 at 9:33pm: Name 10 Muslim women who have made an impact on the world. Why don't you google it you lazy twat? You should easily find a couple of hundred. I think I just answered my own question.

So you don't know of any either? You know why? I bet you don't.

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 1^st, 2010 at 7:31pm:

10? there's only need for 1. If we consider a woman like Ayesha bint Abi Bakr (May God be pleased with her) then she's had more influence on the world than the most influential women after her all put together. It is said that 2/3 of Islam comes from her narration and teaching and scholarship in Islam, and therefore she has directly impacted the lives of about 1/4 of the world's population today, and many many more from her time till now. My question to you soren, name one woman who's had even 1/10th of that impact on humanity.

Mohammed's mum? I am guessing here. Don't know her name. Jesus's mum was bigger, anyway.
Mohammed's chiildbride didn't have an impact on anything except as a recounter of Mohammed's sayings and deeds.

The question is about Muslim womn who have contributed to the betterment of humanity and because famous for that. famous beyond Koranic studies or indeed biblical studies. Think of famous female Muslim scientists, artists, writers, poets.

Not just boosters for Mohammed/Jesus/Buddha/etc.

But I admit that it is a trick question, to pose it is to answer it. There are no famous Muslim women because women in Islam are not to be heard or seen. SO whoever is famous is either an apostate lik Hirshi Ali or Muslim like Mozz is a Catholic - by birth, perhaps,  but not in her, the lasped Muslim lady's, heart and mind.

Soren wrote on Jun 1^st, 2010 at 9:43pm:

There are no famous Muslim women because women in Islam are not to be heard or seen.

This is untrue. Many Muslim women make excellent mothers and homemakers, just like George W Bush's lovely little wife.

We need to support the ladies. If they wish to stay at home and support their families, they should be praised for it, not condemned.

Tony Abbott has some excellent policies in this area, and I look forward to hearing more during the election campaign. Many Muslim ladies are wonderful cooks, for example, and can be found making fabulous homos.

There is nothing like homos to warm the cockles of one's heart, as I'm sure you'll agree.

Mind you, I prefer tabouli. But we all have our preferences, don't we, dear?

Karnal wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2010 at 4:13pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 1st, 2010 at 9:43pm: There are no famous Muslim women because women in Islam are not to be heard or seen. This is untrue. Many Muslim women make excellent mothers and homemakers, just like George W Bush's lovely little wife. We need to support the ladies. If they wish to stay at home and support their families, they should be praised for it, not condemned. Tony Abbott has some excellent policies in this area, and I look forward to hearing more during the election campaign. Many Muslim ladies are wonderful cooks, for example, and can be found making fabulous homos. There is nothing like homos to warm the cockles of one's heart, as I'm sure you'll agree. Mind you, I prefer tabouli. But we all have our preferences, don't we, dear?

"Homos" or hummus, I like both with avacado in fact.
One great Muslim woman would have to be Raheed Boratti,she stands out from the rest..

The Mole wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2010 at 5:04pm:

One great Muslim woman would have to be Raheed Boratti,she stands out from the rest..

Never heard of her. As a matter of fact, Mr Google has never heard of her.

If that's the degree to which famous Muslim women stand out from the rest - then I rest my case.

Soren wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2010 at 12:44pm:

The Mole wrote on Jun 2nd, 2010 at 5:04pm: One great Muslim woman would have to be Raheed Boratti,she stands out from the rest.. Never heard of her. As a matter of fact, Mr Google has never heard of her. If that's the degree to which famous Muslim women stand out from the rest - then I rest my case.

I'm suprised you or Google haven't heard of her Soren..I have heard she is in fact 1st cousin to this guy..  




http://www.wswfc.co.uk/lookalikes/borat.jpg

but how could she be a muslim when kazakh follow the hawk

Have you all heard of Sex and the City. Of course you have.

Have you heard of Soraya Manutchehri? No, you haven't, nor have I until an hour ago. There was even a movie made about her. Learn who she was here:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/a-tale-of-two-standards/story-e6frg6zo-1225877204907



Mantra, annie, you should be worked up about this.

Sorenaya? Your girlfriend!

The stoning to death of women in Islamic countries is horrific and my heart breaks for Soraya. I'm not sure I can think of anything more barbaric. The thing is, it isn't Islam. There are no mentions of stoning in the Quran.

From the article you mention:


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They are arguing the violence against, and restrictions on, women in the name of Islam are not in fact Islamic

They're right. Women are being persecuted in Islamic countries because they belong to a culture who have misinterpreted the teachings of their religion. Most of the countries named in the article have such low literacy rates that it's a pretty safe bet to assume most people living there have never read the Quran, but instead rely on word of mouth accounts passed down from generation to generation.

Your argument is that there is no country in which Islam is not misrepresented. Which is to say that 'living Islam' is barbarous and inhuman. But you are not equal to your own insinuation because you do not understand what you are trying to wriggle out of.

Even this case only brings out your shallow, textbook western feminist response, notable for its utter cowardice. Sentences of stoning are passed by sharia courts. Only by sharia courts.
Your shameless excuse of 'oh, it's not in the Koran' is far worse than 'I don't give a damn'. Knowing what is and isn't in the Koran should make you knowledgable about what sharia is. It is Islamic law.  It is actual, living, correct, orthodox, the one and only possible Islamic law.

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Sentences of stoning are passed by sharia courts. Only by sharia courts.

And by men. Only by men. Should I hate them too? Or should I realise that although some of them are twisted bastards, the majority are not. Just like muslims.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 15^th, 2010 at 9:17am:

Quote: Sentences of stoning are passed by sharia courts. Only by sharia courts. And by men. Only by men. Should I hate them too? Or should I realise that although some of them are twisted bastards, the majority are not. Just like muslims.

As long as you hate, Annie, that's the important thing.

Read Corinthians on hate. Paul recommended it, as did Jesus before him.

I bring to your attention that muslims still stone their women and you come back with a glib 'As long as you hate, Annie, that's the important thing.'
Noticing barbarity is now hateful.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 14^th, 2010 at 5:59pm:

They're right. Women are being persecuted in Islamic countries because they belong to a culture who have misinterpreted the teachings of their religion. Most of the countries named in the article have such low literacy rates that it's a pretty safe bet to assume most people living there have never read the Quran, but instead rely on word of mouth accounts passed down from generation to generation.

SHaria judges are not illiterates or semi-literates. And the Koran does say that you are only worth half of me (2.282; 4.11, 4.34, 4.98, 4.176), so that's why there are no woemen in sharia courts.

The 'twisted bastards' you refer to are the ones who take the Koran and sharia utterly seriously. The majority, who largely ignore both the Koran and sharia (ie Islam) are the ones that have a chance to be like others.

Soren wrote on Jun 15^th, 2010 at 11:44am:

I bring to your attention that muslims still stone their women and you come back with a glib 'As long as you hate, Annie, that's the important thing.' Noticing barbarity is now hateful.

Of course. Jesus didn't want you to search within (or cast out the beam in your own eye), he wanted you to notice everyone else's barbarity.

Quote:

I bring to your attention that muslims still stone their women and you come back with a glib 'As long as you hate, Annie, that's the important thing. Noticing barbarity is now hateful.

Quote:

Even this case only brings out your shallow, textbook western feminist response, notable for its utter cowardice.

Maybe Karnal just notices (as I do) how your rabid hatred of Islam and Muslims makes debate with you tiresome. Do you even consider the value in any opinion that's opposed to your own? I'm sure you think you're witty with your baiting, but it wears thin after you repetitively recycle the same personal insults over and over again.

From memory, you've insulted me because of my gender, my feminism, my intelligence, courage...even my avatar. You have absolutely no credibility with me at all and until you stop behaving like a spoilt little boy in desperate need of a time out, I have no interest in engaging with you.

Turn the other cheek, Annie. There are no bad sinners, only bad sins. Jesus forgives all who truly repent.

Karnal wrote on Jun 15^th, 2010 at 12:15pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 15th, 2010 at 11:44am: I bring to your attention that muslims still stone their women and you come back with a glib 'As long as you hate, Annie, that's the important thing.' Noticing barbarity is now hateful. Of course. Jesus didn't want you to search within (or cast out the beam in your own eye), he wanted you to notice everyone else's barbarity.

Sorry, I didn't notice 'Jesus' was posting here. Did he PM you?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 15^th, 2010 at 12:18pm:

Quote: I bring to your attention that muslims still stone their women and you come back with a glib 'As long as you hate, Annie, that's the important thing. Noticing barbarity is now hateful. [quote]Even this case only brings out your shallow, textbook western feminist response, notable for its utter cowardice.

Maybe Karnal just notices (as I do) how your rabid hatred of Islam and Muslims makes debate with you tiresome. Do you even consider the value in any opinion that's opposed to your own? I'm sure you think you're witty with your baiting, but it wears thin after you repetitively recycle the same personal insults over and over again.

From memory, you've insulted me because of my gender, my feminism, my intelligence, courage...even my avatar. You have absolutely no credibility with me at all and until you stop behaving like a spoilt little boy in desperate need of a time out, I have no interest in engaging with you. [/quote]


Disagreement is not an insult. Finding contradiction between words and posture is not an insult. It IS possible for you to say stupid things and it IS possible for others to notice it.

I never asked you to engage with me. I said you should be worked up about women being stoned. If all you can come up with is that sharia law is a literacy issue and misrepresentation of Islam, then you are a textbook coward, even if a spoilt little boy says so.

Soren wrote on Jun 15^th, 2010 at 1:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 15th, 2010 at 12:15pm: Soren wrote on Jun 15th, 2010 at 11:44am: I bring to your attention that muslims still stone their women and you come back with a glib 'As long as you hate, Annie, that's the important thing.' Noticing barbarity is now hateful. Of course. Jesus didn't want you to search within (or cast out the beam in your own eye), he wanted you to notice everyone else's barbarity. Sorry, I didn't notice 'Jesus' was posting here. Did he PM you?

He did. He spoke to me through an old Gideons in a bedside motel drawer in Narooma.

Knock and the door shall be opened, brother.

I applied for a job in Narooma a while back and those f*cks never got back to me.

aikmann4 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2010 at 3:37pm:

I applied for a job in Narooma a while back and those f*cks never got back to me.

Well, if it was the La salle Motel, forget about it.

You own that?

Of course. We're in the Golden Chain.

But I meant don't ask - it's off-season right now. Try again in Summer. Tell them Karnal sent you.

Here's another famous, for all the wrong reasons, Muslim woman:

TEHRAN (AFP) - Iran's top human rights official said that a sentence of stoning to death against a woman for adultery was "under revision", the official Irna news agency reported.

"She was sentenced to 90 lashes by one court and stoning by another, the verdict is under revision," Mohammad Javad Larijani was quoted as saying.

He added that the chief of the Iranian judiciary, Ayatollah Sadegh Larijani -- who is also his brother - thought that it was preferable to use another penalty instead of stoning "and that is true for Madam Mohammadi-Ashtiani".

He did not say what penalty she could face instead, but added: "The penalty of stoning exists under the law but the judges rarely use it."

The Iranian embassy in London said earlier in a statement reported by The Times that Sakineh Mohammadi-Ashtiani would no longer be stoned to death, a practice condemned by Western governments as "medieval".
But her lawyer in Iran however said he had yet to receive any confirmation. The embassy statement did not elaborate on whether she would face an alternative form of capital punishment -- usually by hanging in Iran.

The sentence has sparked outrage in Western countries.



None of the useful idiots bat an eyelid about this sort of thing.

soren - nope, the islam supporters will probably say how good it is, that a women in iran did NOT get stoned.

complete fkwts

I thought you'd stopped posting on Islam, old boy. You had a bit of a breather there.

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2010 at 10:15pm:

I thought you'd stopped posting on Islam, old boy. You had a bit of a breather there.

On the Islam board, Donkey.

You have a good ability to find your way to being cleverly thick. Well done. Now we know where your HECS debt is going. I must say, I am glad you didn't get it free.

Aqsa Parvez was a 16 year old Canadian muslim woman. She became quite famous in Canada in 2007 after her father murdered her because she no longer wanted to wear a hijab.

ethnic - quite true.

And the muslim woman whom saudi ( I think) decided to NOT stone due to continued heavy international pressure.

she's famous, and very lucky.

It appears woman-people are not overly celebrated and or even worthy of a mere mention among our Muslim friends, and when they are celebrated, it's more or less a reference to their being a devoted slave to their male keepers.

My, they have so far to go, and little encouragement to achieve enlightenment as individuals, are they even allowed to read yet?

It's sad really,  :'(

mellie wrote on Jul 12^th, 2010 at 4:00pm:

It appears woman-people are not overly celebrated and or even worthy of a mere mention among our Muslim friends, and when they are celebrated, it's more or less a reference to their being a devoted slave to their male keepers. My, they have so far to go, and little encouragement to achieve enlightenment as individuals, are they even allowed to read yet? It's sad really,  :'(

Effende, if it is slave you must be, better to be the best slave possible. Accept your role in life, friend, and you will receive glory upon your death, insh'alla.

Is better the women-people don't read books - this only makes them lazy. I keep my wife away from magazines at the doctors because they are forbidden and will spoil her. Remember the Prophet, peace be upon him: we must keep women always for God.

Another Muslim woman making headlines for all the wrong (but now usual) reasons. Some people are barbarians.

Wed at 14, 'adulterous' girl, Azar Bagheri, awaits stoning
Hala Jaber

SHE was only 14 when she was forced into marriage with an older man.
Yet within a year of her wedding, Azar Bagheri was charged with adultery and sentenced to be stoned to death.

The sentence could not be carried out until she was 18. So for the past four years, Ms Bagheri has been languishing on death row while the courts waited for her to reach maturity so she could be put to death.

According to Iranian human rights activist Mina Ahadi, Ms Bagheri was denounced by her husband, who accused her of committing adultery with two men.

Ms Ahadi said the teenager had been subjected to two mock stonings. On each occasion she was taken out of her cell and buried up to her shoulders in the yard of Tabriz prison, in northwest Iran, as if being prepared to be pelted to death with stones.


Ms Bagheri's lawyers are now planning to ask the judges to reduce her sentence to 99 lashes. Buoyed by an international campaign against Iran's death sentence for women convicted of adultery, they hope the court will show mercy.

After widespread condemnation of the sentence of stoning passed on another woman, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, 43, the Iranians backed down last week. The Iranian embassy in London said that according to information from the judicial authorities in Tehran, the stoning of Ms Ashtiani would not go ahead.

But campaigners warned that Ms Ashtiani could still be executed by other means.

Amnesty International noted that three Iranians sentenced to death by stoning last year had been hanged instead.
"A mere change of the method of execution would not address the injustice," said Amnesty's deputy director for the Middle East, Hassiba Hadj Sahraoui.

Ms Ashtiani was sentenced in 2006 for having an "illicit relationship" with two men, for which she has already received a public flogging of 99 lashes. She was convicted of adultery even though she was a widow at the time -- her husband was killed before the alleged affair started.

Her family claims that during the trial of the two men accused of murdering her husband, another court found her guilty of adultery with the suspects, even though no evidence was given.

Her lawyer, Mohammad Mostafaei, said: "She has been waiting to be stoned to death for six years. She is having repetitive endless nightmares about death mixed with people stoning her."

Under Iran's penal code, adultery is the only crime punishable by stoning as an offence "against divine law". The death sentence may also be imposed for murder, rape, armed robbery and drug trafficking, but offenders are usually hanged.

Stoning is intended to cause a slow and painful death. Iran's penal code states: "The size of the stone . . . shall not be too large to kill the convict by one or two throws, and shall not be too small to be called a stone."

My friend, as a man, you must kill your enemy. If your dancing boy was killed, you would avenge him. You would wish to cause much pain, insh'alla.

[quote author=Karnal]

Effende, if it is slave you must be, better to be the best slave possible. Accept your role in life, friend, and you will receive glory upon your death, insh'alla.

Is better the women-people don't read books - this only makes them lazy. I keep my wife away from magazines at the doctors because they are forbidden and will spoil her. Remember the Prophet, peace be upon him: we must keep women always for God.
[/quote]
Wow, if you are for real what a life-denying scumbag that makes you!

Darwin wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2010 at 1:55pm:

[quote author=Karnal] Effende, if it is slave you must be, better to be the best slave possible. Accept your role in life, friend, and you will receive glory upon your death, insh'alla. Is better the women-people don't read books - this only makes them lazy. I keep my wife away from magazines at the doctors because they are forbidden and will spoil her. Remember the Prophet, peace be upon him: we must keep women always for God. Wow, if you are for real what a life-denying scumbag that makes you!

I am not a bag, my good friend. I am for the love of Gud. As men we must declare peace for the world, but know that peace comes from blood. Each drop of blood comes from honour, as is the will of God. One cannot deny life, as life is held in blood. One can only take a life in love.

The woman sheds its blood every month, and this makes her unclean. It is forbidden to touch her as it can make a man mad. Men shed blood as sacrifice - we have honour. If you kill a woman she can turn into a ghost and can lead a man to hell. The woman serves Satan if she is wronged. Be careful, as her revenge knows no bounds, my friend.

Darwin wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2010 at 1:55pm:

[quote author=Karnal] Effende, if it is slave you must be, better to be the best slave possible. Accept your role in life, friend, and you will receive glory upon your death, insh'alla. Is better the women-people don't read books - this only makes them lazy. I keep my wife away from magazines at the doctors because they are forbidden and will spoil her. Remember the Prophet, peace be upon him: we must keep women always for God.

Wow, if you are for real what a life-denying scumbag that makes you![/quote]


You would be right Darwin, if he was for real.
However, if he was an average white aussie, who thought that pretending to be muslim, and then spouting offensive crap, as if he was doing it in Islam's name, so as to promote disdain and fear of muslims, then what would that make him?

The same thing?

Yes I think you may be right.

mozzaok wrote on Jul 26^th, 2010 at 6:36pm:

[quote author=DARWIN link=1274441639/60#60 date=1279770937][quote author=Karnal] Effende, if it is slave you must be, better to be the best slave possible. Accept your role in life, friend, and you will receive glory upon your death, insh'alla. Is better the women-people don't read books - this only makes them lazy. I keep my wife away from magazines at the doctors because they are forbidden and will spoil her. Remember the Prophet, peace be upon him: we must keep women always for God. Wow, if you are for real what a life-denying scumbag that makes You would be right Darwin, if he was for real. However, if he was an average white aussie, who thought that pretending to be muslim, and then spouting offensive crap, as if he was doing it in Islam's name, so as to promote disdain and fear of muslims, then what would that make him? The same thing? Yes I think you may be right.

My dear good fellow, I humbly ask you to refrain from such insults in Gad's name. Please do not interrupt my honour with rude names like average.

If Karnil was doing this as a joke then it wasn’t a a funny joke. About on the level of braindead Alexander Downer’s “Things that Batter”

OK maybe I am over-reacting but when you read some of the poo the Taliban were pulling that sort of “joke” is not helpful.

Bob Hypocrite Brown waffling on about wanting women everywhere to enjoy a good education and demanding the allies leave Afghanistan. So Afghanistani women don’t deserve education and opportunity because they will have neither once the Taliban were back in charge.

The woman sheds its blood every month, and this makes her unclean. It is forbidden to touch her as it can make a man mad. Men shed blood as sacrifice - we have honour. If you kill a woman she can turn into a ghost and can lead a man to hell. The woman serves Satan if she is wronged. Be careful, as her revenge knows no bounds, my friend.

- Karnal

What a load of superstitious fable driven dribble!

I don't know ANY man who believes any of this s   hit .. and it is just that .. s  hit!

Actually .. just had a chance to read some of Karnal's comments re women.

Not sure what the guy is on about or on for that matter .. he sounds like he's either insane and on drugs OR just posting to bait/wind us all up.

Either way .. he is sad and ought to be pitied!

Now, back to famous Muslim women ..

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/7680500/iran-mother-facing-stoning-pleads-to-see-children/

This Muslim woman is both brave and famous.

Quote:

You would be right Darwin, if he was for real. However, if he was an average white aussie, who thought that pretending to be muslim, and then spouting offensive crap, as if he was doing it in Islam's name, so as to promote disdain and fear of muslims, then what would that make him? The same thing? Yes I think you may be right.

How about another angle mozza, he's just a bit of a joker taking the urine out of ignorant fools like yourself. And doing a splendid job of it. He's managed to show quite well how ignorant most of you are, and how gullible you are in believing anything that might denigrate Islam.

No p!sstake or jokes about Islam.

"Allah did not create man so that he could have fun. The aim of creation was for mankind to be put to the test through hardship and prayer. An Islamic regime must be serious in every field. There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious. Islam does not allow swimming in the sea and is opposed to radio and television serials. Islam, however, allows marksmanship, horseback riding and competition ..."

Karnal wrote on Jul 24^th, 2010 at 7:53pm:

The woman sheds its blood every month, and this makes her unclean. It is forbidden to touch her as it can make a man mad. Men shed blood as sacrifice - we have honour. If you kill a woman she can turn into a ghost and can lead a man to hell. The woman serves Satan if she is wronged. Be careful, as her revenge knows no bounds, my friend.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/08/02/a_time_cover_0809.jpg


The cover of TIME shows an 18-year-old woman with her nose cut off with the headline "What happens if we leave Afghanistan".

Aisha was the victim of Taliban brutality, her nose and ears barbarically hacked off by her own husband as punishment for attempting to flee her cruel in-laws, The Daily Mail reported.

She was held down by her brother-in-law while the man she married disfigured her face with a knife.

When she was caught last year attempting to flee her home, a local Taliban commander acting as judge ordered the medieval-style punishment.



Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world/editor-defends-mutilated-afghan-woman-on-magazine-cover/story-e6frfkyi-1225900495751#ixzz0vXulM9eJ

Was it her husband and brother in law? Or was it the Talibaan? Can't have your propagandous cake and eat it too.

Provide the slightest evidence which proves the Talibaan had anything to do with this. I am sure you cannot.

just post your famous muslim women, abu the deciever

the ones with noses on their faces, or unstoned .........

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 1^st, 2010 at 9:15pm:

Actually .. just had a chance to read some of Karnal's comments re women. Not sure what the guy is on about or on for that matter .. he sounds like he's either insane and on drugs OR just posting to bait/wind us all up. Either way .. he is sad and ought to be pitied!

My sister, you are very beautiful lady. It is not for the man to be pitted, however, but the woman. Men do not have the pit, as God wills it to be so.

May you have many children of God, my sister.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 7:13am:

Was it her husband and brother in law? Or was it the Talibaan? Can't have your propagandous cake and eat it too. Provide the slightest evidence which proves the Talibaan had anything to do with this. I am sure you cannot.

Here is a line from the above post:

"When she was caught last year attempting to flee her home, a local Taliban commander acting as judge ordered the medieval-style punishment."


What do you make of it? I know it's not spelt with 2 'a' in the quote, like you write it, but it is a referenece to the same mob. I know it sounds unbeliavable to a Muslim but it is actually the case. Rich tapestry of life, what!
You say Talibaaaaaan, I say Taliban. You say Q'urr'Aann' I say Koran, you say Allaaah, I say Alan.
As a tolerant type, you should get this.i

In other words no proof whatsoever.

Other than "my article says so".

Thanks... par for the course.

abu -so you have NO famous muslim women you wish to put forward ??

Karnal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 4:57pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 1st, 2010 at 9:15pm: Actually .. just had a chance to read some of Karnal's comments re women. Not sure what the guy is on about or on for that matter .. he sounds like he's either insane and on drugs OR just posting to bait/wind us all up. Either way .. he is sad and ought to be pitied! My sister, you are very beautiful lady. It is not for the man to be pitted, however, but the woman. Men do not have the pit, as God wills it to be so. May you have many children of God, my sister.

Dear Karnal

The word is PITY/PITIED NOT PIT/PITTED!

Are you drunk or mad .. perhaps both??

Whatever the case .. you are one very strange man and your posts are of concern to me!  

Regards

Lisa

sprint, several pages back, I put forth one single Muslim woman who is more famous and more influential on the life of mankind than the top 10 Christian, Hindu, Jewish and Rastafarian women all put together.

Neither you nor anyone else have adequately countered that...

Ayesha bint Abi Bakr, Mohammed's child wife.

Besides Muslims, people would be hard pressed to know anything else about her.

Muslims are a good portion of mankind, so I'd again assert that her influence on mankind as a whole has been much more than probably any other woman.

Non-Muslims who know about her of course know only what they think appeals to their sick and twisted desires. They do not study her impact on human society, because they do not value it.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 8:30am:

sprint, several pages back, I put forth one single Muslim woman who is more famous and more influential on the life of mankind than the top 10 Christian, Hindu, Jewish and Rastafarian women all put together. Neither you nor anyone else have adequately countered that...

You may very well think that the woman you've nominated is the most famous and influential on the life of mankind .. and that's your prerogative Abu.

Why should anyone bother countering your subjective opinion? In any event .. what would that achieve?

As far as I am concerned .. my mother and 2 grandmothers are the most influential and famous of all women in the world? Why? Because I know these women personally and I respect, honour and admire their efforts to survive and prosper under adverse and intolerable circumstances.

These women are/were ahead of their time and I feel privileged to be their daughter/granddaughter ... and nothing you post on this matter will ever change my position.

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 11:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 4th, 2010 at 4:57pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 1st, 2010 at 9:15pm: Actually .. just had a chance to read some of Karnal's comments re women. Not sure what the guy is on about or on for that matter .. he sounds like he's either insane and on drugs OR just posting to bait/wind us all up. Either way .. he is sad and ought to be pitied! My sister, you are very beautiful lady. It is not for the man to be pitted, however, but the woman. Men do not have the pit, as God wills it to be so. May you have many children of God, my sister. Dear Karnal The word is PITY/PITIED NOT PIT/PITTED! Are you drunk or mad .. perhaps both?? Whatever the case .. you are one very strange man and your posts are of concern to me!   Regards Lisa

Thank you, sister. It is good the posts to concern you. Hell is for all eternity with Satan. You may suffer much in hell, but live with God's law on this earth if God wills it.

On Judgement Day, all the prophets shall return to this earth, and the woman's virgin will be restored. No more shall she bleed. She shall be free to give service to the man in Paradise and her virgin will always be restored.

If following God's law concerns you, please look forward to the day when you will be restored in Paradise, insh'allah.

Karnal wrote on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 12:51pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 4th, 2010 at 11:15pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 4th, 2010 at 4:57pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 1st, 2010 at 9:15pm: Actually .. just had a chance to read some of Karnal's comments re women. Not sure what the guy is on about or on for that matter .. he sounds like he's either insane and on drugs OR just posting to bait/wind us all up. Either way .. he is sad and ought to be pitied! My sister, you are very beautiful lady. It is not for the man to be pitted, however, but the woman. Men do not have the pit, as God wills it to be so. May you have many children of God, my sister. Dear Karnal The word is PITY/PITIED NOT PIT/PITTED! Are you drunk or mad .. perhaps both?? Whatever the case .. you are one very strange man and your posts are of concern to me!   Regards Lisa Thank you, sister. It is good the posts to concern you. Hell is for all eternity with Satan. You may suffer much in hell, but live with God's law on this earth if God wills it. On Judgement Day, all the prophets shall return to this earth, and the woman's virgin will be restored. No more shall she bleed. She shall be free to give service to the man in Paradise and her virgin will always be restored. If following God's law concerns you, please look forward to the day when you will be restored in Paradise, insh'allah.

My eternal future is not your business .. nor is it your concern.

I don't ascribe to any of your Muslim beliefs or teachings regarding Judgment Day .. nor what will follow .. as they contravene the claims of the Holy Bible which is God's Word.

As such, I reject your ignorant driven opinions/assertions in their entirety.

Those who know me personally know that my faith in God and his Holy Word remains strong and unwaveringly so .. despite the longstanding abominable hypocrisy of organised religion.

I believe in the claims of Jesus Christ and His life's testimony provide the basis for the best positive role model for life and how it should be lived.

I have peace regarding my future here on earth (which may be a mere 80/90 yrs at best) but I have an even deeper peace regarding my future beyond the grave (which will endure eternity).

I do not fear death .. if anything I embrace it because it is a natural aspect of my human condition.

My hope does not lie in anything that relates to this earth .. it lies in the life which follows.

Nothing you say about any of the above .. will change my position in any respect. Nothing!

One last point .. I care little for your fake/fleeting labels as regards who may be the most famous woman of Islam or the whole earth for that matter!

All that's important to me is that I am precious to God who created and formed me inside my mother's womb and enabled me to be born alive and healthy. Each and every day of life is a blessing and a miracle to me .. and that is what makes God famous to me.

Have a lovely day!

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I don't ascribe to any of your Muslim beliefs or teachings regarding Judgment Day

LOL another ignoramus who thinks Karnal is a Muslim because it suits their prejudices.  ;D

How easily they can be exposed.

Muslim or otherwise .. his opinions reflect irrelevant nonsense!

No expose there at all!

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 2:50pm:

Quote: I don't ascribe to any of your Muslim beliefs or teachings regarding Judgment Day LOL another ignoramus who thinks Karnal is a Muslim because it suits their prejudices.  ;D

I wouldn't laugh if I were you: most people will not put almost anything past Muslims. That should be funny only to non-Muslims.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 10:50pm:

In other words no proof whatsoever. Other than "my article says so". Thanks... par for the course.

Check it out:

http://www.womenforafghanwomen.org/front_lines.php#bibi


http://www.grossmanburnfoundation.org/aisha.htm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 5^th, 2010 at 1:24pm:

One last point .. I care little for your fake/fleeting labels as regards who may be the most famous woman of Islam or the whole earth for that matter! All that's important to me is that I am precious to God who created and formed me inside my mother's womb and enabled me to be born alive and healthy. Each and every day of life is a blessing and a miracle to me .. and that is what makes God famous to me. Have a lovely day!

We are all precious to God, sister, Christians also. The prophet Yesus shall return to Medina on Judgement Day with his wife, Virgin Mahry. He will be rewarded for his suffering with many sons.

I wish you lovey day also, my sister. I hope your womb may produce many rich sons like your prophet, God willing.

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 10:27am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 5th, 2010 at 1:24pm: One last point .. I care little for your fake/fleeting labels as regards who may be the most famous woman of Islam or the whole earth for that matter! All that's important to me is that I am precious to God who created and formed me inside my mother's womb and enabled me to be born alive and healthy. Each and every day of life is a blessing and a miracle to me .. and that is what makes God famous to me. Have a lovely day! We are all precious to God, sister, Christians also. The prophet Yesus shall return to Medina on Judgement Day with his wife, Virgin Mahry. He will be rewarded for his suffering with many sons. I wish you lovey day also, my sister. I hope your womb may produce many rich sons like your prophet, God willing.

ROFLMAO x 10000!! Jesus married his mother???

Oh God .. you are definitely 1 insane and pitiful human being!

Everything you type is 100% wind up driven BS!

Thanks for the laughs though!!!

Quote:

Everything you type is 100% wind up driven BS! Thanks for the laughs though!!!

Of course it's funny, once you actually realise it's quite obviously a joke. Took you long enough, and that is a pretty sad state of affairs isn't it?

But don't fret, there's others here who still don't get it.

Sprintcyclist is plotting right this moment to track Karnal down and deport him personally because he's still under the impression Karnal is a boat-stowing illegal that has come to steal his job off him and force him to eat kebabs with his tomato sauce.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 4^th, 2010 at 10:50pm:

In other words no proof whatsoever. Other than "my article says so". Thanks... par for the course.

Good news!!!

Non-muslims, as always, have corrected, as far as possible,  the wrong done by the Talibaaanis.


http://l.yimg.com/ao/i/hp/news/bibi_aisha101013getty257.jpg


Mutilated teen transformed with new nose
Yahoo!7
October 13, 2010,


A teenage girl mutilated by her husband has been given new hope in life after successful prosthetic nose surgery.

Bibi Aisha was 17 years old when she had her nose and ears cut off by her husband, who was following a punishment handed down by Taliban elders.

She made world headlines when she bravely appeared on the cover of Time magazine as a symbol of Taliban brutality in Afghanistan.

According to reports, Aisha was 12 when her father promised her in marriage to a Taliban fighter to pay a debt.

At the hands of her husband she was abused and forced to sleep in the stable with the animals.

When she attempted to escape, she was violently attacked.

"When they cut off my nose and ears, I passed out. In the middle of the night it felt like there was cold water in my nose.

"I opened my eyes and I couldn't even see because of all the blood," she told CNN reporter Atia Abawi.

Almost dead, she ran away to her uncle’s house in the mountains, who refused to help her.

Continuing to search for safety, she found her way to an American military hospital where she was treated for her wounds.



The Great Satan has once again come to the aid of a victim of the bearded "one hand holding the Koran, the other his d!ck" crowd.

What's the bet her previous nose was huge.

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 1^st, 2010 at 7:31pm:

10? there's only need for 1. If we consider a woman like Ayesha bint Abi Bakr (May God be pleased with her) then she's had more influence on the world than the most influential women after her all put together. It is said that 2/3 of Islam comes from her narration and teaching and scholarship in Islam, and therefore she has directly impacted the lives of about 1/4 of the world's population today, and many many more from her time till now. My question to you soren, name one woman who's had even 1/10th of that impact on humanity.

Aisha was Mohammads favourite wife she was the prepubescent one.

Aisha led the troops in the battle of the camel which was the first civil war in Islamic history it led to the sunni/shia split.

Aisha is becoming well known in the west because she was 6 when Mohammad married her and 9 when buggered by a 53 year old pedophile false prophet.

Good song about Aisha here
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQmv7XLWlxw

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 1^st, 2010 at 7:31pm:

My question to you soren, name one woman who's had even 1/10th of that impact on humanity.

I agree with you. Aisha had a profound impact. She exposed Clown Mohammed for the fraud that he was. That is a significant deed for anyone and I do agree that it makes her a very significant Muslim woman. She said to Mohammed the meshuggeh:

"It seems to me that your Lord hastens to satisfy your desire."

She was the first to see through the self-serving BS con that Mohammed was perpetuating on anyone who would stop to listen to him.

Soren wrote on May 21^st, 2010 at 9:33pm:

Name 10 Muslim women who have made an impact on the world. Apostates like Wafa Sultan or Hirshi Ali do not count. Nor do assassinated ones like Benazir Bhutto. OK, 5. Ok, one other than Miss Amerikkka, Hezballah babe Rima Fakih.

Soraya Manutchehri: highlights the sexist attitudes of the muslamic way of life

Soraya Manutchehri's husband Ghorban-Ali was an ambitious man, prone to fits of rage. He wanted a way out of his marriage in order to marry a 14 year old

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stoning_of_Soraya_M.

Here's a magnificiant muslim woman (apparaently very famous in Pakistan), standing up to the fuzzy-faced, stunted mufti and his cowardly proxy in the studio. SHe is like one of those Lollobrigida characters in old Italian movies.
SHe gives it to them with both barrels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMnAmRa4NYw

bump in the night

borggggggggggggggggggggggggggghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaQ27Hu8ix0&feature=player_embedded

Soren wrote on Apr 12^th, 2011 at 12:28pm:

Here's a magnificiant muslim woman (apparaently very famous in Pakistan), standing up to the fuzzy-faced, stunted mufti and his cowardly proxy in the studio. SHe is like one of those Lollobrigida characters in old Italian movies. SHe gives it to them with both barrels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMnAmRa4NYw

Far out! She's bloody amazing! She told the truth and did not hold back for ANYONE!

Good on her!

Soren wrote on Apr 12^th, 2011 at 12:28pm:

Here's a magnificiant muslim woman (apparaently very famous in Pakistan), standing up to the fuzzy-faced, stunted mufti and his cowardly proxy in the studio. SHe is like one of those Lollobrigida characters in old Italian movies. SHe gives it to them with both barrels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMnAmRa4NYw

as well as being intelligent, articulate and has a "dont EF with me" attitude she is one amazingly georgeous woman. just like gina lollobrigida....actually going off topic for a mo, monica bellushi, elizabeth taylor, marisol nichols....georgeous dark haired women.

nb. i am not gay

Oh God. It can't be. Not again.

http://www.samizdata.net/blog/~pdeh/woman_stoned_to_death.jpg

What is that pic supposed to be all about?

Who is that famous Muslim woman?

There is no link or tag there.

it's a muslim women to be stoned to death.

maybe for the crime of being a rape victim.

There's no information apart from the pic.

When was this? Where was it? Who was it?

have a google for it, you'll find plenty

I have already tried to find information regarding that pic.

I cannot find out who the woman was nor when/where it took place.

http://www.samizdata.net/blog/~pdeh/woman_stoned_to_death.jpg


Quote:

It is pictures like that which fill my mind with homicidal rage. The Muslims depicted partially burying this Muslim woman, in preparation for her being stoned to death in accordance with the Koran, all deserve nothing less than a bullet in their brains, to be put down like rabid dogs. And when I hear people like Dr. Bari describing this practice as a "metaphor for disapproval" rather than a method of theocratic execution, my feelings towards him move from mere disagreement into transcendent loathing. Take a moment and really look at that smacking picture because that actually is how it is done: the victim is partially buried and then battered to death by having rocks thrown or dumped on them. According to Dr. Bari, if there were four witnesses, that is perfectly okay then. Try getting your head around that. source

She is the unknown Muslim woman who suffered in life as she suffered in death.  

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 26^th, 2011 at 11:31pm:

There's no information apart from the pic. When was this? Where was it? Who was it?

If you click on 'quote' for the post containing the pic, you will see that the link describes the image (along with info for the source site)...

Bottom line : No-one here knows who she was or when or where this took place ... or who even took the pic.

NO details .. just a pic.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 26^th, 2011 at 11:43pm:

Bottom line : No-one here knows who she was or when or where this took place ... or who even took the pic. NO details .. just a pic.

In this thread, she is famous for being the unknown Muslim woman, representing all Muslim women who have suffered as she suffered.

Think of it in the same way as ANZACS honour the unknown solider.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1296126090432829344#

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2011 at 11:49pm:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1296126090432829344#

Perfect.

BRB ..

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1303826465/1#1

Well .. my topic is still there.

And Abu has never deleted anything I've posted in his forum yet.