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General Discussion >> Thinking Globally >> Private Enterprise in Space Transportation http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1274474463 Message started by muso on May 22nd, 2010 at 6:41am |
Title: Private Enterprise in Space Transportation Post by muso on May 22nd, 2010 at 6:41am
http://www.spacex.com/updates.php
Everything is going well for the first launch of Falcon 9 in 5 days time. Good to see a private enterprise starting to take over space transportation. We might actually see some results now. I could never understand why the Americans gave NASA a monopoly on space travel in the past. This vehicle will provide an alternative means of delivery for supplies for the International Space Station, and possibly even crew members in the future if all goes well. |
Title: Re: Private Enterprise in Space Transportation Post by freediver on May 22nd, 2010 at 10:15am Quote:
I think the monopoly was natural, given that flying to space was such an enourmous money loser. |
Title: Re: Private Enterprise in Space Transportation Post by muso on May 22nd, 2010 at 10:20am freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2010 at 10:15am:
The original monopoly was natural perhaps. The fact that it continued past the 1980's was not. Installing communications satellites in geosynchronous orbit became highly profitable about then. |
Title: Re: Private Enterprise in Space Transportation Post by freediver on May 22nd, 2010 at 11:12am Quote:
Did the industry privatise then? Perhaps it was about military rather than economic power. |
Title: Re: Private Enterprise in Space Transportation Post by muso on May 23rd, 2010 at 3:31pm
The industry I was talking about is space transportation, and the answer is no.
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Title: Re: Private Enterprise in Space Transportation Post by freediver on May 23rd, 2010 at 5:38pm
You mean human/passenger space transportation? There still does not appear to be enough demand for a profitable proivate industry. It may never happen, given the impending oil shortage and carbon taxes.
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Title: Re: Private Enterprise in Space Transportation Post by muso on May 23rd, 2010 at 6:55pm freediver wrote on May 23rd, 2010 at 5:38pm:
the human transportation is a minor aspect. Most of the money is in launching commercial satellites. Currently the Russians have the cheapest launch technology at around $2,000 per kilogram into low earth orbit. The first Falcon 9 launch is quoting a cost of around $2900 per kilogram, and this price will fall as they get more contracts. The Russian Energia has a similar cost per kilogram, but the Proton is the lowest cost overall for higher Inclination orbits. The payload for a Falcon 9 is 12,500kg. The Russian Proton can take 20,800kg. Space X have one other launch vehicle at the design stage - The Falcon 9 Heavy, which will take 28,000kg. I don't think anyone has come up with a costing for it as yet. |
Title: Re: Private Enterprise in Space Transportation Post by freediver on May 23rd, 2010 at 7:04pm
So this is all run by the space agencies?
I suspect the monopolies might still be natural. Even if it is profitable, barriers to entry would prevent private startups. Is there anything 'unnatural' preventing private groups from starting their own space transport program? |
Title: Re: Private Enterprise in Space Transportation Post by muso on May 23rd, 2010 at 7:06pm freediver wrote on May 23rd, 2010 at 7:04pm:
Not now - at least in the United States. |
Title: Re: Private Enterprise in Space Transportation Post by freediver on May 23rd, 2010 at 7:12pm
Was there in the past?
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Title: Re: Private Enterprise in Space Transportation Post by muso on May 24th, 2010 at 5:44pm freediver wrote on May 23rd, 2010 at 7:12pm:
Yes there have been. It's only recently that it's been possible to license private spaceports. The main barrier was national security, and nowadays, it's bureaucracy, but it's a very complicated story. Here's a summary: http://www.spacefuture.com/archive/barriers_to_space_enterprise.shtml |
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