This animal was the church councilor for this girl. What makes the Christians such sick and despicable creatures that they could do this to a little girl?

One of your mates is it sprint?

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Man charged with rape, attempted murder and arson after girl, 14, left fighting for life in Caroline Springs

UPDATE 5.51pm: A MAN accused of raping a teenage girl and setting her alight was tracked down through the victim's Facebook page, police allege.

Michael Tuano Hermogenes, 24, has been charged over a Caroline Springs house fire yesterday that left a 14-year-old girl fighting for her life.

The victim remains in a critical condition at the Royal Children's Hospital, with burns to up to 80 per cent of her body. She may have to have a foot amputated.

Mr Hermogenes allegedly claims he suffered memory loss and woke up naked on top of the bleeding and unconscious girl in her home.

He saw that the teen, who was also naked, was alive and dragged her into a bathroom, a police summary from Mr Hermogenes' remand hearing alleges.

Mr Hermogenes allegedly left to buy petrol, which he used to douse the injured girl "to kill her and destroy evidence" before igniting it and fleeing.

Police allege the victim went to school yesterday morning but left after getting a text message from a friend.

Her Facebook page and family members were checked to identify Mr Hermogenes as a suspect.

The police summary alleges Mr Hermogenes admitted taking food and alcohol to the girl's house.

They watched a movie, listened to music and took photos of each other.

"They accused stated he had a gap in his memory of events and stated he found himself naked and on top of the victim on her bed," police allege.

The remand hearing was held at the Alfred Hospital where Mr Hermogenes is being treated for his own burn injuries.

Police opposed him being granted bail on the grounds that he is a danger to the public and had no fixed address, having been sleeping in his car.

Mr Hermogenes, of Tarneit, is charged with attempted murder, rape, sexual penetration of ca child under 16, intentionally and recklessly causing serious injury, reckless conduct endangering life and aggravated burglary.

He was remanded in custody to return to court in August.

Source: Herald-Sun

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 1^st, 2010 at 7:18pm:

This animal was the church councilor for this girl.

Where o you get that from?

Was that one of Sprint's mates?

We should pray for him.

Brian told me so.

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2010 at 7:00pm:

Brian told me so.

You mean you just made up the church reference.

No I mean I heard it on the news.

Obviously this man was a sick, evil, bastard, you should be familiar with them abu, you worship one.

Christians may err in their followings of jesus' teachings, but if they just followed the example of his life they would do OK.
On the other hand, taking the example of mohammed's life would see behaviour like rape, murder, and slavery as being legitimately following his beliefs.

It is a no contest when it comes to abhorrent behaviour, but individual psychopaths can come from any idiotic faith based system, and the point of there being evil christians is not new, the difference is that few use the life of christ as validation for their psychopathy, whilst many muslims do look to mohammed's violent ways to justify their own.

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On the other hand, taking the example of mohammed's life would see behaviour like rape, murder, and slavery as being legitimately following his beliefs.

These slanders inherit your own lack of credibility mozza.

Islam does not call to any of those things, and two of them are in fact capital offenses, much stronger punishment than your own system prescribes.


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It is a no contest when it comes to abhorrent behaviour, but individual psychopaths can come from any idiotic faith based system, and the point of there being evil christians is not new, the difference is that few use the life of christ as validation for their psychopathy, whilst many muslims do look to mohammed's violent ways to justify their own.

Christianity's own teaching is "By their fruits shall ye know them", and by their fruits they are indeed quite despicable. I'm sorry, but the level of depravity their leadership exhibit is not matched by any other system, not even your own godless ideology.

Btw, the fact you're finding it increasingly harder to enter threads without trying to sway their topics to slanders against Islam, indicates how desperate and lost you are.

Did Mohammed kill?
Did Mohammed rape? (PS I count diddling kids too young to consent as adults, rape. I also consider fornicating with women and girls from tribes whose men you have just slaughtered as rape also)
Did Mohammed promote slavery?

Now ask the same of Jesus.

That was the only point I was making, I agree that many christians are far loopier than a lot of muslims, but the christian example of Christ's life is far superior to the murderous rampage of mohammed's, that was all.


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Btw, the fact you're finding it increasingly harder to enter threads without trying to sway their topics to slanders against Islam, indicates how desperate and lost you are.

True, true, if you could find it in your heart to send $500 to a paypal account, I can buy myself a Navman, and find myself.

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Did Mohammed kill?

So now you've realised the error in your words and have revised them to use the term kill instead of murder.

I accept your surrender on that point.


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Did Mohammed rape? (PS I count diddling kids too young to consent as adults, rape. I also consider fornicating with women and girls from tribes whose men you have just slaughtered as rape also)

Your opinion about what constitutes age of consent 1400 years after the fact is really irrelevant. You time and time again display your utter inability to comprehend the fact that all throughout the world in that time that was the age of consent.

I'm sick of reiterating this for people who have less neurons than noses.


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Did Mohammed promote slavery?

No, he discouraged it.

Since you seem to have the mentality only a good hollywood flick can rectify, I have advised you previously when you asked, to go and watch the move "The Message", so you can at least get a rudimentary knowledge of the history of Islam. Here's a half decent quality version of it on youtube which doesn't look too bad in full screen on a PC, do us both a favour and have a squizz, then get back to me.


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Now ask the same of Jesus.

According to the NT, Jesus (pbuh) did not come to remove one single iota from the OT, he came to reaffirm the message of Moses (pbuh), and murder ordered killing, and he took prisoners of war as slaves. Jesus (pbuh) never said a single thing against slavery, in fact if I remember correctly he said something along the lines of slaves should obey their masters. He never said a single word against the marriagable age being the age of puberty, and according to some reports, his own mother was about 12 when she was married to the 80 yo. Joseph. So Yes, pretty much the same.


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True, true, if you could find it in your heart to send $500 to a paypal account, I can buy myself a Navman, and find myself.

A half decent GPS unit can be bought for under $100 nowadays, still living in the past I see.

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 5^th, 2010 at 8:06pm:

Quote: Did Mohammed kill? So now you've realised the error in your words and have revised them to use the term kill instead of murder. I accept your surrender on that point. [quote]Did Mohammed rape? (PS I count diddling kids too young to consent as adults, rape. I also consider fornicating with women and girls from tribes whose men you have just slaughtered as rape also)

Your opinion about what constitutes age of consent 1400 years after the fact is really irrelevant. You time and time again display your utter inability to comprehend the fact that all throughout the world in that time that was the age of consent.

I'm sick of reiterating this for people who have less neurons than noses.

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Are you saying that you accept that the age of consent is now different from that of Muhammed's time?

Of course you don't.

You think that the age of consent, set by Mohammed's example of consumating his marriage with a 9 year old, IS the correct age of consent, provided that the 9 year old has menstruated.

As far as you are concerned, 1400 years is like a day - it makes no difference. If Mo's done it, it is right for all eternity.

And so now you are found out to be dissembling again. But then that's part of of being Muslim, isn't it? On your merry, dishonest way, then.i

King John of England married Isabella of Angoulême when she was 12, and that marriage was sanctioned by the Pope, so I think it's a bit suss comparing Christian or Muslim standards of the mediæval period with those of today.  

In the middle ages, public nudity and even sex were quite common too, at least in Europe. Society standards (and morals) have obviously changed since then.

muso wrote on Jun 9^th, 2010 at 10:47am:

King John of England married Isabella of Angoulême when she was 12, and that marriage was sanctioned by the Pope, so I think it's a bit suss comparing Christian or Muslim standards of the mediæval period with those of today.

Agreed.

Constantine (a saint) married a 12 year old germanic princess. And correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't Jacob in the bible sleep with his daughter?

Seems our resident Christians (and Jews) are rather selective when comparing the standards of the medieval period with todays.

Lestat wrote on Jun 9^th, 2010 at 10:53am:

muso wrote on Jun 9th, 2010 at 10:47am: King John of England married Isabella of Angoulême when she was 12, and that marriage was sanctioned by the Pope, so I think it's a bit suss comparing Christian or Muslim standards of the mediæval period with those of today.   Agreed. Constantine (a saint) married a 12 year old germanic princess. And correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't Jacob in the bible sleep with his daughter? Seems our resident Christians (and Jews) are rather selective when comparing the standards of the medieval period with todays.

Yes, inexplicably to a Mohammedan mind, things that occured in the early 13th century, or in archaic times, are not treated as if they happened yesterday. Christians (and Jews) have a sense of historic change.

We know that for Mohammedans, time has stood still since Mohammed. This is one of the reasons they don't fit in with societies that do not treat time as frozen.

Soren wrote on Jun 9^th, 2010 at 11:02am:

Yes, inexplicably to a Mohammedan mind, things that occured in the early 13th century, or in archaic times, are not treated as if they happened yesterday. Christians (and Jews) have a sense of historic change.

Do they?

Lets take the celibacy of priests as an example. Priests were once upon a time allowed to marry. Many Christian denominations today not only allow for the marriage of priests, but actually insist upon it (orthodox).

Catholics priests cannot marry, because a pope in the 13 century decreed that a priest must remain celibant. THis is but one example of Christians treating 'something that happened in the 13 century as if it happened yesterday'. THere are plenty more examples.

Jews (especially Hasidic jews) still very much live their lives according to a literal interpretation of the Torah (and Tulmud, two books written long before the 13 century). Every aspect of a hasidic's life is controlled by these two books. Even their appearance is straight out of the histories of medieval times.

Wrong again soreass...do you ever actually think before you post your dribble?



Soren wrote on Jun 9^th, 2010 at 11:02am:

We know that for Mohammedans, time has stood still since Mohammed. This is one of the reasons they don't fit in with societies that do not treat time as frozen.

Yet there are many examples of Christians and jews, where 'time has stood still'. I wonder, is this one of the reasons why 'they don't fit in with societies that do not treat time as frozen'.

Is this why priests still insist on playing fiddlies with little boys?

How muslims seem to look at history is really a pretty interesting point, especially with the rise of so much extremist Islamist fervour for the resurrection of a perceived golden age of Islam, under one true Caliph.

The fact that they would need to forcibly impose this upon a world that has moved on does not enter into their morality, for they see the act of turning back time hundreds and hundreds of years, as the most noble thing they could achieve in life.

Meanwhile, good men are actually working toward progressing society, and working for the betterment of mankind through the arts and sciences.

How many modern day people would really wish to put that aside to return to the days of clerics raising themselves up to god like status on earth, as they rule the rest of us with their over bearing sharia law?

My contention is, not many, and very few, if any sane ones.

mozzaok wrote on Jun 9^th, 2010 at 1:43pm:

How muslims seem to look at history is really a pretty interesting point, especially with the rise of so much extremist Islamist fervour for the resurrection of a perceived golden age of Islam, under one true Caliph. The fact that they would need to forcibly impose this upon a world that has moved on does not enter into their morality, for they see the act of turning back time hundreds and hundreds of years, as the most noble thing they could achieve in life. Meanwhile, good men are actually working toward progressing society, and working for the betterment of mankind through the arts and sciences. How many modern day people would really wish to put that aside to return to the days of clerics raising themselves up to god like status on earth, as they rule the rest of us with their over bearing sharia law? My contention is, not many, and very few, if any sane ones.

You just can't help yourself can you?

This thread is about a church councilor....a christian that did abhorent acts on a 14 y.o girl, and you still somehow manage to turn it around and bag muslims and Islam.

Your like a drug addict, you can't get enough. Does it give your pathetic life the illusion of meaning???

Lestat wrote on Jun 9^th, 2010 at 3:41pm:

and you still somehow manage to turn it around and bag muslims and Islam.

That's fine, as long as he is not an anti-dentite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV7m6IIN_tI

I had never seen that episode, that was very funny, watching Jerry's sad decline into rabid anti-dentism.
I particularly liked how the priest ratted him out, very symbolic. ;)

mozzaok wrote on Jun 9^th, 2010 at 7:04pm:

I had never seen that episode, that was very funny, watching Jerry's sad decline into rabid anti-dentism. I particularly liked how the priest ratted him out, very symbolic. ;)

Original sin, innit?
:P