370 Palestinian children in Israeli jails, is is it civilized?

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Israel holds over 370 Palestinian children captive


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The media liaison at the Palestinian ministry in charge of prisoners' affairs says that Israel is currently holding captive more than 370 child detainees; all under the age of 18.

"Child detainees are sent to courts that prosecute cases of adult detainees. This is a flagrant violation of International Law. Dozens of detained Palestinian children undergo a series of harsh trials under a legal system that treats them the same as apprehended adults," Riyadh al-Ashqar told the official Hamas-run Al-Aqsa TV network on Monday.

Al-Ashqar went on to note that the child detainees are not immune to 'egregious abuses', adding mistreatment and torture in Israeli detention facilities are not uncommon.

He also called on the Geneva-based International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) and humanitarian organizations across the globe to intervene, to stop Israeli brutalities against underage Palestinian prisoners.

Many of the Palestinian children in Israeli jails are arrested for nothing more than throwing rocks at heavily-armed Israeli troops and armored personnel carriers, the Palestinian Center for Defending Prisoners reported in early April.

The prison authorities place eight to ten children in a four meter square room, and routinely vilify them, put them under psychological pressure at every turn and even molest some of the children, the report added.

Lucky, jammy little bastards!! Imagine what would have happened if they had been caught doing naughty things against their own kind.




Taliban executes 7-year-old child for ‘spying’
By Abdulhadi Hairan For CentralAsiaOnline.com 2010-06-09

KABUL–Taliban militants executed a 7-year-old child June 8 for “spying for the government” in the volatile Helmand province of Afghanistan.

Dawood Ahmadi, spokesman for the provincial governor, told Central Asia Online June 9 the insurgents kidnapped the child and hanged his body from a tree after killing him in the Sarwan Kala area of Sangin District.




I know it's horrifying news for you but we detain juveniles even in this country (probably the 'pomme' heritage or joo influence, one or the other.) What do you do with juvenile delinquents in Italia?

It's disgraceful.

From the UN:



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At any given point during the reporting period, between 281 and 337 Palestinian children were being held in Israeli prisons and detention centres, including children as young as 12 years, in violation of international humanitarian law. Statements taken from 21 children who had been arrested and detained indicate that children continued to be subjected to abuse, including beatings, blindfolding, solitary confinement, forced confessions in a language they do not read or write, food being withheld, yelling and insults, and exposure to loud noises. Upon release, a number of children reported that they had been approached to provide information on behalf of the Israeli intelligence service.

But we don't torture them, do we Soren?

I bet there are more than 370 'children' in US jails.

Weren't there more than 370 children just in Immigration detention on Naaru and Christmas Island, a couple of years ago???

Why would that be a bad thing? When I was a child I always had trouble sleeping the night before Christmas because I was so excited about the next day. I'd imagine living on an Island where you get presents everyday would be great for kids; particularly refugee kids, who aren't used to getting many presents.

LOL yeah I get it 'Christmas Island'.....

Soren wrote on Jun 26^th, 2010 at 2:15pm:

Lucky, jammy little bastards!! Imagine what would have happened if they had been caught doing naughty things against their own kind. Taliban executes 7-year-old child for ‘spying’ By Abdulhadi Hairan For CentralAsiaOnline.com 2010-06-09

Their own kind? The last I heard the Taliban was in Afghanistan.

Palestine's a different country, dear.

Karnal wrote on Jun 26^th, 2010 at 6:24pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 2:15pm: Lucky, jammy little bastards!! Imagine what would have happened if they had been caught doing naughty things against their own kind. Taliban executes 7-year-old child for ‘spying’ By Abdulhadi Hairan For CentralAsiaOnline.com 2010-06-09 Their own kind? The last I heard the Taliban was in Afghanistan. Palestine's a different country, dear.

Hmm, I wonder if he could possibly mean, "an Islamic Terrorist organisation"?
Hammas/Taliban, Taliban/Hammas.
You say Potayto, I say Potarto, Potayto, Potarto, it still ends up with some evil bastard convincing some 13 year old that Allah wants him to strap a bomb to his body and blow up as many people as they can.

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So the existence of Islamic terrorist organisations is an excuse to detain and torture children?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 26^th, 2010 at 6:49pm:

So the existence of Islamic terrorist organisations is an excuse to detain and torture children?

No, but the fact that the Islamic terrorist organisations treat the children of their OWN people worse than Israel does, kind of puts the actions of Israel in a different light...

After all Israel 'arrests' the muslim children.....whereas the Islamic Terrorist groups execute the Islamic children....

Islams enemies treat Islams children BETTER than Islam does......
Interesting idea, isn't it????

After all Israel 'arrests' the muslim children.....whereas the Islamic Terrorist groups execute the Islamic children....

Islams enemies treat Islams children BETTER than Islam does......
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I only agree to an extent gizmo.
Islamic terrorists do not represent the majority of Islamic peoples.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 26^th, 2010 at 4:07pm:

Weren't there more than 370 children just in Immigration detention on Naaru and Christmas Island, a couple of years ago???

Maybe, but definitely they were not raped and sexually molested as in Israeli jails.

Soren wrote on Jun 26^th, 2010 at 2:15pm:

Lucky, jammy little bastards!! Imagine what would have happened if they had been caught doing naughty things against their own kind.

The funny thing is that those who complain about antisemitism and holocaust not only do the same things but also enjoy them, what hypocrisy

Is it accidental? Of course not, Lets see what the Talmud says:

[b]Ioe Dea ( 157,2 Hagah )

“If a Jew is able to deceive Goyims by pretending he is a worshiper of the stars he may do so”
[/b]

freediver wrote on Jun 26^th, 2010 at 3:13pm:

I bet there are more than 370 'children' in US jails.

Quite possible considering that USA has been for a while an Israeli colony.

athos wrote on Jun 26^th, 2010 at 9:39pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 4:07pm: Weren't there more than 370 children just in Immigration detention on Naaru and Christmas Island, a couple of years ago??? Maybe, but definitely they were not raped and sexually molested as in Israeli jails.

Are you 100% sure of that athos....
I seem to remember some reports of child abuse amongst the inmates at one of those immigration centres...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 26^th, 2010 at 10:08pm:

athos wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 9:39pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 4:07pm: Weren't there more than 370 children just in Immigration detention on Naaru and Christmas Island, a couple of years ago??? Maybe, but definitely they were not raped and sexually molested as in Israeli jails. Are you 100% sure of that athos.... I seem to remember some reports of child abuse amongst the inmates at one of those immigration centres...

This is for my friend Soren:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NduoPZlets&feature=player_embedded#!

mozzaok wrote on Jun 26^th, 2010 at 6:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 6:24pm: Soren wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 2:15pm: Lucky, jammy little bastards!! Imagine what would have happened if they had been caught doing naughty things against their own kind. Taliban executes 7-year-old child for ‘spying’ By Abdulhadi Hairan For CentralAsiaOnline.com 2010-06-09 Their own kind? The last I heard the Taliban was in Afghanistan. Palestine's a different country, dear. Hmm, I wonder if he could possibly mean, "an Islamic Terrorist organisation"? Hammas/Taliban, Taliban/Hammas. You say Potayto, I say Potarto, Potayto, Potarto, it still ends up with some evil bastard convincing some 13 year old that Allah wants him to strap a bomb to his body and blow up as many people as they can.

You realise this photo was styled, don't you? The kid has cardboard sticky-taped on him. Someone dressed these people up and presented them this way. It's not real, it's dressing up.

If this can be done with a photo, it's much easier to do it with words.

If you want an enemy, you can pick one. Easy. Pick whoever you want.

But, sadly, things are much more complicated that that.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 26^th, 2010 at 6:49pm:

So the existence of Islamic terrorist organisations is an excuse to detain and torture children?

Exactly, although 'excuse' is the wrong word. Substitute 'reason' or 'cause'. Notice that those detained children are used by Islamic terrorist organisations. There is no excuse, on the other hand, for using children to do your dirty work.

athos wrote on Jun 26^th, 2010 at 9:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 3:13pm: I bet there are more than 370 'children' in US jails. Quite possible considering that USA has been for a while an Israeli colony.

Ahhh, when you are insane, anything is possible.

athos wrote on Jun 26^th, 2010 at 10:14pm:

This is for my friend Soren: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NduoPZlets&feature=player_embedded#!

Grazie, padrone.

Tell you what, though, Israeli girls are the absolute tops. When they grow old, jewesses can be quite interestingly, even endearingly  ugly but when they are young, there is nothing like them. They are feminine and tough, beautiful and thoughtful, articulate and funny. They are strong, intelligent, aware and gorgeous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6MCn8wPR1I

athos wrote on Jun 26^th, 2010 at 9:44pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 2:15pm: Lucky, jammy little bastards!! Imagine what would have happened if they had been caught doing naughty things against their own kind. The funny thing is that those who complain about antisemitism and holocaust not only do the same things but also enjoy them, what hypocrisy Is it accidental? Of course not, Lets see what the Talmud says: [b]Ioe Dea ( 157,2 Hagah ) “If a Jew is able to deceive Goyims by pretending he is a worshiper of the stars he may do so” [/b]

I always find those quotes amusing...

It's so funny that some moron on a another forum , like US Politics Online, will go to all the effort to reword a Talmud Verse, but still misspell the name of the Book and use the wrong Verse number....

Are they afraid of 'copy right infringement' or something?????

Soren wrote on Jun 26^th, 2010 at 11:51pm:

athos wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 10:14pm: This is for my friend Soren: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NduoPZlets&feature=player_embedded#! Grazie, padrone. Tell you what, though, Israeli girls are the absolute tops. When they grow old, jewesses can be quite interestingly, even endearingly  ugly but when they are young, there is nothing like them. They are feminine and tough, beautiful and thoughtful, articulate and funny. They are strong, intelligent, aware and gorgeous. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6MCn8wPR1I

Hm, I new you would be excited but not to such extent.

Strange how the Jews bombard us all the time about the
horrors inflicted by the Nazis & then do similar things
to other people.
They then expect us to say that what was done to them was wrong
but what they do to others is right.

I can't get my head around that sort of hypocrisy.

It's called moral particularism. Most non-white people engage in it and White people have a very difficult time understanding it.

The "Jews" think in terms of "What's good for us?" and not "What's good for the Palestinians?" like what many do here.

Basically, we're dumb and they're smart.

aikmann4 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2010 at 2:55pm:

It's called moral particularism. Most non-white people engage in it and White people have a very difficult time understanding it.

Exactly. Us whites aren't particular about who we moralise about at all.

I am sick of hearing about Jews.

So stop caring about Palestinians.

Then you don't have to pay attention.

Jews , Palestinians - they are all nut cases.
In Australia we all live together as one happy family.
Why can't they?
Answer - religion - it's the curse of mankind.

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In Australia we all live together as one happy family.

Yeah, er, we sure are.

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/img/2006/ep2/cronriot.jpg

Most of the time we do live together happily.
There always going to be drunks who spoil the party.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2010 at 2:30pm:

Strange how the Jews bombard us all the time about the horrors inflicted by the Nazis & then do similar things to other people. They then expect us to say that what was done to them was wrong but what they do to others is right. I can't get my head around that sort of hypocrisy.

And if there was ANY sort of similarity between the 2 cases.....you 'might' have a point bobby...

But since I don't recall that the Warsaw Ghetto had it's own elected Government, own police and military or the ability to launch rockets and missiles into Germany....and theinmates of the 'Death Camps didn't have AK-47's, plastic explosives and suicide bombers  AND since the 'Final Solution' wouldn't have been called off by concept of a simple cessation of hostilities.....

I really can't see a parallel.......

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2010 at 4:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 2:30pm: Strange how the Jews bombard us all the time about the horrors inflicted by the Nazis & then do similar things to other people. They then expect us to say that what was done to them was wrong but what they do to others is right. I can't get my head around that sort of hypocrisy. And if there was ANY sort of similarity between the 2 cases.....you 'might' have a point bobby... But since I don't recall that the Warsaw Ghetto had it's own elected Government, own police and military or the ability to launch rockets and missiles into Germany....and theinmates of the 'Death Camps didn't have AK-47's, plastic explosives and suicide bombers  AND since the 'Final Solution' wouldn't have been called off by concept of a simple cessation of hostilities..... I really can't see a parallel.......

The parallel is that the  Innocent Jews suffered, even before they went into camps, and Innocent Palestinians are suffering now.

The other thing that is said, is that the Jews never fought back. That is not strictly true. A very small percentage fought back, an a much smaller percentage of those survived. These people were brave.
The Palestinian people have more freedom and choice than the Jews did.

Deborahmac09 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2010 at 6:21pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 4:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 2:30pm: Strange how the Jews bombard us all the time about the horrors inflicted by the Nazis & then do similar things to other people. They then expect us to say that what was done to them was wrong but what they do to others is right. I can't get my head around that sort of hypocrisy. And if there was ANY sort of similarity between the 2 cases.....you 'might' have a point bobby... But since I don't recall that the Warsaw Ghetto had it's own elected Government, own police and military or the ability to launch rockets and missiles into Germany....and theinmates of the 'Death Camps didn't have AK-47's, plastic explosives and suicide bombers  AND since the 'Final Solution' wouldn't have been called off by concept of a simple cessation of hostilities..... I really can't see a parallel....... The parallel is that the  Innocent Jews suffered, even before they went into camps, and Innocent Palestinians are suffering now.

Yes Deborah....but I haven't seen any references to 'gas chambers', 'Crematoriums' and 'Death-camps' in Gaza......Have you???

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/img/2006/ep2/cronriot.jpg


White trash.

And olivish brown trash.

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And olivish brown trash.

Yeah - he's clearly trashy...what with the blood and all. How dare he be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

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Yes Deborah....but I haven't seen any references to 'gas chambers', 'Crematoriums' and 'Death-camps' in Gaza......Have you???

hence the jews suffered even before they went into the camps! Or is that not worth mentioning?

Who knows what happened in that photograph?

Given all the trouble caused on either side of those riots.

They must have been a troublemakers paradise.

The photograph clearly shows who is committing the crime.

I can tell you what went on after, and I think it's safe to assume that the man wasn't going to behave in a confrontational manner considering he was faced with a pack of drunk bogans.

Deborahmac09 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2010 at 6:47pm:

Quote: Yes Deborah....but I haven't seen any references to 'gas chambers', 'Crematoriums' and 'Death-camps' in Gaza......Have you??? hence the jews suffered even before they went into the camps! Or is that not worth mentioning?

Well yes they did....but that was a fair few years before the 'Final Solution'......

However...have the 'Palestinian Arabs' been expelled,and persecuted in every country in Europe???

Hmmm no.... sort makes a  difference to the ideal, doesn't it???

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2010 at 6:57pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 6:47pm: Quote: Yes Deborah....but I haven't seen any references to 'gas chambers', 'Crematoriums' and 'Death-camps' in Gaza......Have you??? hence the jews suffered even before they went into the camps! Or is that not worth mentioning? Well yes they did....but that was a fair few years before the 'Final Solution'...... However...have the 'Palestinian Arabs' been expelled,and persecuted in every country in Europe??? Hmmm no.... sort makes a  difference to the ideal, doesn't it???

But no one wants them either Gizmo!

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2010 at 4:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 2:30pm: Strange how the Jews bombard us all the time about the horrors inflicted by the Nazis & then do similar things to other people. They then expect us to say that what was done to them was wrong but what they do to others is right. I can't get my head around that sort of hypocrisy. And if there was ANY sort of similarity between the 2 cases.....you 'might' have a point bobby... But since I don't recall that the Warsaw Ghetto had it's own elected Government, own police and military or the ability to launch rockets and missiles into Germany....and theinmates of the 'Death Camps didn't have AK-47's, plastic explosives and suicide bombers  AND since the 'Final Solution' wouldn't have been called off by concept of a simple cessation of hostilities..... I really can't see a parallel.......

What about the embargo on the Warsaw ghetto?

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2010 at 3:22pm:

In Australia we all live together as one happy family. Why can't they?

Specially in Cronulla?????????

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2010 at 7:55pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 4:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 27th, 2010 at 2:30pm: Strange how the Jews bombard us all the time about the horrors inflicted by the Nazis & then do similar things to other people. They then expect us to say that what was done to them was wrong but what they do to others is right. I can't get my head around that sort of hypocrisy. And if there was ANY sort of similarity between the 2 cases.....you 'might' have a point bobby... But since I don't recall that the Warsaw Ghetto had it's own elected Government, own police and military or the ability to launch rockets and missiles into Germany....and theinmates of the 'Death Camps didn't have AK-47's, plastic explosives and suicide bombers  AND since the 'Final Solution' wouldn't have been called off by concept of a simple cessation of hostilities..... I really can't see a parallel....... What about the embargo on the Warsaw ghetto?

Did the 'embargo on the Warsaw Ghetto mainly target the materials for tunnels, fortifcations and explosives???

The Warsaw embargo restricted ALL foods to a level below subsistence...

The Gaza Embargo restricts building materials, which can be used to build fortifactions, smuggling tunnels etc....and some fertilizers, which can be used to make bombs..

However there is more than enough basic foods sent in to provide a reasonable quality of life and health...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2010 at 10:01pm:

The Warsaw embargo restricted ALL foods to a level below subsistence... The Gaza Embargo restricts building materials, which can be used to build fortifactions, smuggling tunnels etc....and some fertilizers, which can be used to make bombs.. However there is more than enough basic foods sent in to provide a reasonable quality of life and health...

What about the water?
It is not potable.

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However there is more than enough basic foods sent in to provide a reasonable quality of life and health...

You don't know what you're talking about.


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The government  boasted that since the beginning of this current year, it magnanimously allowed 24,302 tons of fruit, 14,879 tons of flour and 600 tons of meat into the Gaza strip (all tons metric). Divided by 150 days and by 1.5 million people, that works out to 108 grams (4 oz) of fruit, 66 grams (2.25 oz) of flour and 2 whole grams (less than an eighth of an ounce) of meat per person, per day.

Try living on that and see how healthy you are. Until recently, only 81 items were considered safe enough to be allowed into Gaza.

annie
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Try living on that and see how healthy you are

try sending rockets at your neighbours for decades, vowing to wipe them off the face of the earth, see how they treat you back.

Tit for tat?

Try reading about the Nakba.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 9:05am:

Tit for tat? Try reading about the Nakba.

Tit for tat is what humans do best. It is in our genes.

All that both sides are doing is ensuring that it continues. Neither care about those who are caught in the middle.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2010 at 2:30pm:

Strange how the Jews bombard us all the time about the horrors inflicted by the Nazis & then do similar things to other people. They then expect us to say that what was done to them was wrong but what they do to others is right. I can't get my head around that sort of hypocrisy.

Interesting isn’t it.
In spite of all apologies, compensations etc, for seventy years , Germans couldn’t convince Jews that they are not so bad, improved and become better.[b]

[/b]As much as Germans apologize to Jews they ask for more. Do you know why? Because Jews are known as incredibly good merchants.

But not only that, It looks that Germans have to apologize for what has been done to Palestinians as well.
So the formula is very simple, before you kill or imprison dozen innocent Palestinian kids first loudly talk about Holocaust (that happened 70 years ago), and let bad masochist Germans to apologize for what you are presently doing to others.
Clever isn’t it?

So Germans have been apologizing to Jews for almost seventy years.
The question is when Jews will start apologizing for almost sixty years of Palestinian suffering under Zionist occupation?

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The question is when Jews will start apologizing for almost sixty years of Palestinian suffering under Zionist occupation?

When hell freezes over!
Is it cold yet?

Youths attack Jewish dance group in Germany
By KIRSTEN GRIESHABER (AP) – 3 days ago

BERLIN — Arab youths threw stones at a Jewish dance group during a street festival in Hannover, injuring one dancer and forcing the group to cancel its performance, German police and dance officials said Thursday.

The teenagers also used a megaphone to shout anti-Semitic slurs during the attack Saturday, Hannover police spokesman Thorsten Schiewe said.

"I don't remember such a dramatic attack in Germany in recent times," said Michael Fuerst, the head of the Jewish community of the state of Lower Saxony.

Six suspects have been identified — five Arabic immigrants and one German — and police are looking for the other three, police said. The six range from nine to 19 years old and have been questioned by police.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jKQiOG88RA8DaNOcbhz8DnIkUBdwD9GHNGJ01

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The question is when Jews will start apologizing for almost sixty years of Palestinian suffering under Zionist occupation?

They never will.
People are dying from drinking water contaminated with bacteria.
The Jews are commiting a holocaust using biological weapons.
They want all the Pallys to die.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 8:21am:

Quote: However there is more than enough basic foods sent in to provide a reasonable quality of life and health... You don't know what you're talking about. [quote]The government  boasted that since the beginning of this current year, it magnanimously allowed 24,302 tons of fruit, 14,879 tons of flour and 600 tons of meat into the Gaza strip (all tons metric). Divided by 150 days and by 1.5 million people, that works out to 108 grams (4 oz) of fruit, 66 grams (2.25 oz) of flour and 2 whole grams (less than an eighth of an ounce) of meat per person, per day.

Try living on that and see how healthy you are. Until recently, only 81 items were considered safe enough to be allowed into Gaza. [/quote]

Annie, combine the supplies sent with the food grown on the farms in Gaza, the milk and cheese from the goat and sheep flocks and the fruit from the orchards and the fish caught in waters off Gaza....

Makes a bit of a difference doesn't it????

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 1:29pm:

Quote: The question is when Jews will start apologizing for almost sixty years of Palestinian suffering under Zionist occupation? They never will. People are dying from drinking water contaminated with bacteria. The Jews are commiting a holocaust using biological weapons. They want all the Pallys to die.

Bobby, exactly HOW many people in Gaza have died in, say the last 3 months, from comtaminated water????

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Annie, combine the supplies sent with the food grown on the farms in Gaza, the milk and cheese from the goat and sheep flocks and the fruit from the orchards and the fish caught in waters off Gaza....

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In the main fishing site of Gaza City, called Almina, there are dozens of fishermen trying to feed their children under harsh economic conditions. Abdurrahman Abu Riyala approached us and spoke out about his daily suffering. "I have recently come under fire. While I was working on my boat, I was surprised by them approaching me. They took me to the west, then to Almajdal. They also forced me to strip off my clothes and jump into the water," Abu Riyal said. The practice of forcing sailors to strip and swim naked from their boats has become a routine method of humiliation. The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem reports that near-naked fishermen must then endure freezing temperatures while being taken to an Israeli port. Fishermen are later returned to their boat and again forced to swim across

The IDF bulldoze crops all the time. The UN and just about every NGO (including Israeli organisations) have said that Gazans don't have access to enough food and medical care, let alone building supplies, yet you're saying they do. I think I'll go with the informed opinion, thanks.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 4:25pm:

Quote: Annie, combine the supplies sent with the food grown on the farms in Gaza, the milk and cheese from the goat and sheep flocks and the fruit from the orchards and the fish caught in waters off Gaza.... [quote]In the main fishing site of Gaza City, called Almina, there are dozens of fishermen trying to feed their children under harsh economic conditions. Abdurrahman Abu Riyala approached us and spoke out about his daily suffering. "I have recently come under fire. While I was working on my boat, I was surprised by them approaching me. They took me to the west, then to Almajdal. They also forced me to strip off my clothes and jump into the water," Abu Riyal said. The practice of forcing sailors to strip and swim naked from their boats has become a routine method of humiliation. The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem reports that near-naked fishermen must then endure freezing temperatures while being taken to an Israeli port. Fishermen are later returned to their boat and again forced to swim across

The IDF bulldoze crops all the time. The UN and just about every NGO (including Israeli organisations) have said that Gazans don't have access to enough food and medical care, let alone building supplies, yet you're saying they do. I think I'll go with the informed opinion, thanks.[/quote]


Ok, I'll make it easy for you...

The UN, the NGO's and various other sites that have been quoted on here say that more food was sent into the Warsaw Ghetto, than gets set into Gaza, right??

So, between 1941 and 1943, 4000-5000 people starved to death in the Warsaw Ghetto...

How many people in Gaza have died, directly from starvation, with the last year??????

Sorry make the 4000-5000 people PER MONTH starved to death in the Warsaw Ghetto....

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The UN, the NGO's and various other sites that have been quoted on here say that more food was sent into the Warsaw Ghetto, than gets set into Gaza, right??

Who said that?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 5:29pm:

Quote: The UN, the NGO's and various other sites that have been quoted on here say that more food was sent into the Warsaw Ghetto, than gets set into Gaza, right?? Who said that?

Oh oops...sorry, on the Yahoo forum, not this one...
I got confused...

It was this...

"Seeing various aid agencies including that from israel have proven that israel allows less into Gaza than Hitler allowed into the jewish ghettos and that israel is maintaining gaza in such a stste! Now chicken the Red Cross, Amnesty, The UN, Btslem and others support this now what sources do you have that proves that is not the case? Not newspaper reports or shirls say so, independent credible agencies!"

No worries - it happens.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 4:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28th, 2010 at 1:29pm: Quote: The question is when Jews will start apologizing for almost sixty years of Palestinian suffering under Zionist occupation? They never will. People are dying from drinking water contaminated with bacteria. The Jews are commiting a holocaust using biological weapons. They want all the Pallys to die. Bobby, exactly HOW many people in Gaza have died in, say the last 3 months, from comtaminated water????

You tell me & we'll both know.
I do know one thing - the water in Gaza is not fit for human consumption.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 6:22pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 28th, 2010 at 4:09pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 28th, 2010 at 1:29pm: Quote: The question is when Jews will start apologizing for almost sixty years of Palestinian suffering under Zionist occupation? They never will. People are dying from drinking water contaminated with bacteria. The Jews are commiting a holocaust using biological weapons. They want all the Pallys to die. Bobby, exactly HOW many people in Gaza have died in, say the last 3 months, from comtaminated water???? You tell me & we'll both know. I do know one thing - the water in Gaza is not fit for human consumption.

Well I've looked, and the ONLY reference was a misquoted story about a poor child who died of cancer, and the author of the piece attempted to blame Israel for it (for political milage)...

I cannot find a single reference to any deaths due to poor water quality....

There are towns here in Australia where you need to boil the water before you drink it....

The water is unfit for human consumption - A FACT
see these links:

http://aljazeera.com/news/articles/34/EWASH-Calls-for-Ending-not-Easing-Blockade.html

http://washlink.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/palestine-water-an-esentail-for-peace/

http://www.ipcri.org/watconf/papers/amani.pdf

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 6:50pm:

The water is unfit for human consumption - A FACT see these links: http://aljazeera.com/news/articles/34/EWASH-Calls-for-Ending-not-Easing-Blockade.html http://washlink.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/palestine-water-an-esentail-for-peace/ http://www.ipcri.org/watconf/papers/amani.pdf

So you admit that no one has died from drinking the water???

Just that the water is of poor quality?

Hmmm so stating that :

"People are dying from drinking water contaminated with bacteria.
The Jews are commiting a holocaust using biological weapons.
They want all the Pallys to die."

was in fact a lie right??
And designed just to have a shot at the Jews, much like most of the rubbish that makes it way onto forums....

Hmmmm ok, thanks for the confession....

No confession - may I suggest that you go there & drink
a gallon of that filthy water?

One would think Bobby, that if there was any truth in it, then the UN, as useless as they are would have something to say about it.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/289441

Notice where the man in the photograph is from and draw your own conclusion about whether people in Gaza are dying from drinking unsafe water.

Hi Deb,
The UN has:

http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/df99fabf1f3db4038525773c005033ed?OpenDocument

Fat Gaza

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf21QqvHauw

If the water quality is so bad in gaza, perhaps the ruling authorities could make a call to the Jooos and say somethinng like:
"Yo, you sons of apes and pigs, we need to fix the toilets over here. How about you let some cement through and we promise to use it for the purpose. "

Who could say no to that? End of problem. It does require coming down from the moral high horse but that's politics for you.

For Hamas, though, that'd be 'betraying' the jihad. So it's bottled water for a while yet.

Soren that is not strictly true. (Fat Gaza)

When not enough food is getting through, those less scrupulous will steal from those who are unable to fight back.

those that live by the jihad will die by the jihad.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2010 at 10:55pm:

those that live by the jihad will die by the jihad.

Along with many others. >:(
But hey, what are 10 innocent bystanders if you kill 2 terrorists!

That is the same argument the bad guys are using!