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The accused man at the centre of a legal debate over the right for a Muslim woman to wear a full-face veil while testifying in the witness box has received death threats over the case, a Perth court has heard. Anwar Sayed stands accused of fraudulently gaining up to $752,000 in public funding while a director of the Muslim Ladies College of Australia in 2006. His case has been overshadowed by a female witness's request to wear a traditional niqab headscarf, also commonly called a burqa, in the witness box, which would obscure her face from the judge and jury........

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/death-threats-in-burqa-court-case-20100805-11g1f.html?from=age_ft

Islam? Islam? .... Ah yes, that cult where you get to go to heaven for bashing a female relative to death.

It is interetsing that we have a case here with two Muslims arguing about the burqa: the defendant says the woman must show her face to the jury, the woman says she will not.

The infidel non-Muslim lawyers are faciliting an internal Muslim debate. Fascinating

and now other muslims are threatening death if he forces her to show her face..........

obsessive, arrogant, do not assimilate, aggressive, violent.

So what part of that description can't be found anywhere else in society?  ;D

You'd probably find all that in a pub on a Saturday night.  ::)

Assimilate to what? People can do their own thing as long as they abide by the laws of the land. That's assimilating to the democracy we're in.

In as far as threats of violence or death that's not on but to hold that sort of thing is unique to Muslims would be hard to defend.

The rot set in in 1989 when the Muslims demostrated for the head of Rushdie and got away with it. That's when the pussyfooting around Muslim sensibilities started. They should have been told then, in no uncertian terms, where to get orrf.

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.......The man whose trial has led to controversy over the wearing of a Muslim headscarf in court has been "brutally stabbed" after being stopped in his car, his lawyer says. Anwar Sayed, who a court heard received death threats yesterday for supposedly agitating to abolish the wearing of a niqab, also known as a burqa, was allegedly attacked this morning......... .........Today's hearing was to establish a date for the retrial, but Mr Trowell told the court ''the only question is whether the accused will be alive''.............

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/burqa-trial-man-sayed-brutally-stabbed-20100806-11m79.html

anyone interested in defending this disgusting intolerant belief ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 1:37pm:

Quote: .......The man whose trial has led to controversy over the wearing of a Muslim headscarf in court has been "brutally stabbed" after being stopped in his car, his lawyer says. Anwar Sayed, who a court heard received death threats yesterday for supposedly agitating to abolish the wearing of a niqab, also known as a burqa, was allegedly attacked this morning......... .........Today's hearing was to establish a date for the retrial, but Mr Trowell told the court ''the only question is whether the accused will be alive''............. http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/burqa-trial-man-sayed-brutally-stabbed-20100806-11m79.html anyone interested in defending this disgusting intolerant belief ?

Not even in jest, SC!  :o

Hmmnnn....if Western nations are anti-Muslim, then why haven't laws been passed by Western nations to: ban trade with Muslim countries and force all Western-based military, corporate, equity and other interests to promptly and permanently withdraw from Muslim countries!?

Surely, we shouldn't encourage them by 'investing' in their countries - rather we should have trade permanent embargoes!?

After all...'all Muslims are terrorists who are taught to hate us from birth' - right!?

Vested interests, not much!?

It's a passing fad. This anti-Muslim hysteria wasn't always about. It seems to me that some of our leaders felt insecure without an enemy post Cold War. Whilst we're in this phase there will be no shortage of armchair pundits turning it over and over again to find all manner of evil that doesn't exist anywhere else.

Must be scary for some not to have an enemy. Can't wait for the lizards from out of space to get here. Well, at least not just on TV.

Ziggy wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 3:14pm:

It's a passing fad. This anti-Muslim hysteria wasn't always about. It seems to me that some of our leaders felt insecure without an enemy post Cold War. Whilst we're in this phase there will be no shortage of armchair pundits turning it over and over again to find all manner of evil that doesn't exist anywhere else. Must be scary for some not to have an enemy. Can't wait for the lizards from out of space to get here. Well, at least not just on TV.

But we need the enemy. Without the enemy you let yourself go.

We need the enemy to maintain discipline.

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 4:05pm:

Ziggy wrote on Aug 6th, 2010 at 3:14pm: It's a passing fad. This anti-Muslim hysteria wasn't always about. It seems to me that some of our leaders felt insecure without an enemy post Cold War. Whilst we're in this phase there will be no shortage of armchair pundits turning it over and over again to find all manner of evil that doesn't exist anywhere else. Must be scary for some not to have an enemy. Can't wait for the lizards from out of space to get here. Well, at least not just on TV. But we need the enemy. Without the enemy you let yourself go. We need the enemy to maintain discipline.

Really? So you need an enemy to be able to do your job, study , eat regularly, bathe regularly, and abide by the law etc. Ever hear of self-discipline?

Karnal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 4:05pm:

Ziggy wrote on Aug 6th, 2010 at 3:14pm: It's a passing fad. This anti-Muslim hysteria wasn't always about. It seems to me that some of our leaders felt insecure without an enemy post Cold War. Whilst we're in this phase there will be no shortage of armchair pundits turning it over and over again to find all manner of evil that doesn't exist anywhere else. Must be scary for some not to have an enemy. Can't wait for the lizards from out of space to get here. Well, at least not just on TV. But we need the enemy. Without the enemy you let yourself go. We need the enemy to maintain discipline.

You are your own worst enemy Karnal .. if ANY of your posts are anything to go by!

Ziggy wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 5:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 6th, 2010 at 4:05pm: Ziggy wrote on Aug 6th, 2010 at 3:14pm: It's a passing fad. This anti-Muslim hysteria wasn't always about. It seems to me that some of our leaders felt insecure without an enemy post Cold War. Whilst we're in this phase there will be no shortage of armchair pundits turning it over and over again to find all manner of evil that doesn't exist anywhere else. Must be scary for some not to have an enemy. Can't wait for the lizards from out of space to get here. Well, at least not just on TV. But we need the enemy. Without the enemy you let yourself go. We need the enemy to maintain discipline. Really? So you need an enemy to be able to do your job, study , eat regularly, bathe regularly, and abide by the law etc.

Yes he does. He's a Paki.

Equitist wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 1:54pm:

Hmmnnn....if Western nations are anti-Muslim, then why haven't laws been passed by Western nations to: ban trade with Muslim countries and force all Western-based military, corporate, equity and other interests to promptly and permanently withdraw from Muslim countries!? Surely, we shouldn't encourage them by 'investing' in their countries - rather we should have trade permanent embargoes!? After all...'all Muslims are terrorists who are taught to hate us from birth' - right!? Vested interests, not much!?

Once they run out of oil or we switch to an alternative, they will sink back to oblivion and irrelevance. Unless sand becomes an energy source.

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Assimilate to what? People can do their own thing as long as they abide by the laws of the land. That's assimilating to the democracy we're in.

Guys like soren are closet Maoists, they want us all to wear the same suit, carry around the same little book, eat the same food, hold the same values etc. That's called "being Australian" apparently.... Not the Australia you and I grew up in, but apparently it's the "new Australia" that we're all supposed to "conform" to, Muslims first.

You are hilarious for a Muslim (remembering that there are no jokes in Islam). I like the cognitive dissonance of 'Australia that you and I grew up in' bit. As if you had not radically turned your back on it! You are the enemy of everything that is recognisably Australian about the 'Australia that you and I grew up in', moor.

Here's a non-white woman who has been a Muslim and knows what you stand for:

"Hirsi Ali tackles the mantra, “we’ve got to respect their culture” head on. The problem, she points out is that respect is hard to reconcile with forced marriages, honour killings, female genital mutilation, the forced veiling of women, and of course the killing of homosexuals. Clearly, she dismisses the post-modernist notion that all cultures are equal. “It’s individual human beings who are equal”.

Fending off her critics who then say that our society is flawed––another saw of the Left––she promptly explains that “Western flaws, the white man’s flaws, his sexism, his racism, his prejudices have been criticised and radically changed. Men of colour, not just Muslim men, but Chinese, Indians, “men of colour are excused from that same critical scrutiny of cultures, their customs, their habits, their religious principles”. This is the essence of her criticism of multiculturalism too.


I stand with her, you see, because she defends Western civilisation and Australian culture. I also think they are better, as a civilisation and as a culture, than anything you can offer or force on people.
Where you were born or how tinted you are matter not. They are accidents out of your hand. But when it came to making a personal, conscious decision, though, you chose to stand againt both western civilisation and Australian culture.

Ziggy wrote on Aug 6^th, 2010 at 11:20am:

So what part of that description can't be found anywhere else in society?  ;D You'd probably find all that in a pub on a Saturday night.  ::) Assimilate to what? People can do their own thing as long as they abide by the laws of the land. That's assimilating to the democracy we're in. In as far as threats of violence or death that's not on but to hold that sort of thing is unique to Muslims would be hard to defend.

This is lazy stuff.

Yes, yobbery is alive and well in the pub. But to say that a drunken fool is the same as religio-political push for a caliphate, is lazy. To say that a snarling yob is the same as bombing nightclubs and railways across the globe in support of islam is lazy and unthinking. To equate calls for better respect for local custom with calling for the death of an author is probably wilful 'I-can'-be-fagged-to-think' ignorance.


You need to ease up on the reflex equivocation.

Soren wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 1:54pm:

You are hilarious for a Muslim (remembering that there are no jokes in Islam). I like the cognitive dissonance of 'Australia that you and I grew up in' bit. As if you had not radically turned your back on it! You are the enemy of everything that is recognisably Australian about the 'Australia that you and I grew up in', moor.

Yes, the irony and hypocrisy in his drivel is so blatant and ridiculous that it serves only to indicate that he was/is an embittered and friendless misfit who found comfort in a medieval cult that offers him a feigned fraternity - of the "you're my brother because the code commands it not because I feel it" species.

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As if you had not radically turned your back on it!

I haven't turned my back on anything. The fact I'm here defending it from imports like you is enough evidence of that.

Your only claim to "Australianness" is the so called Judeo-Christian tradition you believe is core to Australia's way of life. The reality is that it is not core to Australia's way of life, and that's why you are so easily departed from even recognising Australia's way of life. You would claim that Muslims need to "conform" to what you think "Australianness" is all about, yet you utterly fail to recognise one of Australia's core values which is individuality and freedom to do/dress/eat/believe/etc whatever the bloody hell you like (within the limits of the law).


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Here's a non-white woman who has been a Muslim...

The colour of her skin adds to her authenticity?

You're a simpleton, seriously.


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I stand with her, you see, because she defends Western civilisation and Australian culture.

She's nothing but an opportunist stooge for hatemongers like yourself, nothing more, nothing less.

She has nothing to do with Australia and it's culture or way of life.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 6:46pm:

Quote: As if you had not radically turned your back on it! I haven't turned my back on anything. The fact I'm here defending it from imports like you is enough evidence of that. Your only claim to "Australianness" is the so called Judeo-Christian tradition you believe is core to Australia's way of life. The reality is that it is not core to Australia's way of life, and that's why you are so easily departed from even recognising Australia's way of life. You would claim that Muslims need to "conform" to what you think "Australianness" is all about, yet you utterly fail to recognise one of Australia's core values which is individuality and freedom to do/dress/eat/believe/etc whatever the bloody hell you like (within the limits of the law)

Come the caliphate, all this individuality-mongering will have to go, as you know and I know.

As to the Judeo-Christian tradition - you would have us believe that the two dozen Afghan camel drivers were the true pioneers of Australia.


Muslim of your kind - politically motivated zealots in search of somewhere that will accept them and help them in the world-totalitarian fantasy project  - are not prepared to conform to Australianness, Englishness, Germanness, Frenchness, Swissness, Danishness or Swedishness. Your project is not to fit in.

Your idea of Islam is a latter day mix of western ideas but you are too zealous or too thick or both to realise or face it. Your Hizb ul Tahrir ideology is heavy on the world-dominating delusion of western ideas: fascism and marxist-leninist crap.

You guys (political Islamists) have not had a new idea of your own in 1400 years and it shows.

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Come the caliphate, all this individuality-mongering will have to go, as you know and I know

This misconception of yours is based on the idea that individualism means shagging the same sex or walking around half naked, or pickling your liver with solvents.

Since I don't hold any of these things to be a necessary part of individualism, therefore I don't believe individualism is to be stamped out.

You tie freedom and individualism etc. to specific acts which you yourself find acceptable and legitimate. Not everyone agrees with you, not I, not Muslims, and likewise for many mainstream Aussies.


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you would have us believe that the two dozen Afghan camel drivers were the true pioneers of Australia.

Your absolute ignorance of those who gave so much of themselves to pioneer this country is just despicable. I'd suggest you go and visit the current exhibit at the Australian Immigration Museum entitled "Australia's Muslim Cameleers" to get an accurate picture of just how much early Muslims contributed to this country's founding. Long before trash like yourself ever considered venturing over here.

"Australia's Muslim Cameleers" Who knew? It was "Australia's Muslim Cameleers"  all along!!

;D    ;D

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 8:29pm:

Quote: Come the caliphate, all this individuality-mongering will have to go, as you know and I know This misconception of yours is based on the idea that individualism means shagging the same sex or walking around half naked, or pickling your liver with solvents. Since I don't hold any of these things to be a necessary part of individualism, therefore I don't believe individualism is to be stamped out. You tie freedom and individualism etc. to specific acts which you yourself find acceptable and legitimate. Not everyone agrees with you, not I, not Muslims, and likewise for many mainstream Aussies.

They teach you this rot in Hib school don't they?  "Eqaute freedom with shagging when the infidel speaks of freedom" but then point out that the true meaning of freedom is really "Australia's Muslim Cameleers" .

You combine frightening and idiotic in one comprehensive ideology. Well done.

abu - tell us all about the first Aust. terrorist, a muslim camaleer i believe  ........

or, someone want to google it, from the Aust. archives or the like ...

Soren wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 7:34pm:

Come the caliphate, all this individuality-mongering will have to go, as you know and I know.

Yes. We have it on reliable information that the caliphate consultation committee has been sheduled for 2013, just after the ETS panel makes its submission. There will need to be a white paper first, of course, and a rigourous consultation process, but the caliphate will definately happen. We do live in a democracy after all.

Personally, I find all this individuality rubbish a bit of a bore. I'd like the freedom to be just like everyone else, but no, I have to choose Nike or Adidas, Coke or Pepsi, Labor or Liberal, penis or vagina, it's all so tedious.

It would be so refreshing if someone could just come along and tell us what to think and do - such a relief.

The end of history has its positives indeed.

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abu - tell us all about the first Aust. terrorist, a muslim camaleer i believe  .......

Terrorist? Or just an Afghan who got fed up with the racism and bigotry of people like yourself, so he got a little trigger happy?

abu -


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The Battle of Broken Hill From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search The Battle of Broken Hill was a fatal incident which took place near Broken Hill, New South Wales, Australia on 1 January 1915. Two men shot dead four people and wounded seven more, before being killed by police and military officers. While the attack was politically inspired, as declared by the perpetrators in notes, the men were not members of any sanctioned armed force. Since, at that time, Australia was preparing to attack the Ottoman Empire, they were first speculated to be Turkish, but were later identified as being Muslims from the British colony of India (modern day Pakistan).[1][2] [edit] The Assailants The attackers were both former camel-drivers working at Broken Hill. They were Badsha Mahommed Gool (born approx 1874 [3]), an ice-cream vendor and Mullah Abdullah (born approx 1854 [4]), a local imam and halal butcher. Gool's ice-cream cart was well-known in town and was used to transport the men to the attack site. They also fashioned a home-made Ottoman flag which they flew. There appears to have been little effort at hiding their identities. Abdullah had arrived in Broken Hill around 1898 and worked as a camel driver, before becoming a mullah and slaughtering animals according to halal Islamic rites. Several days before the killings Adbullah was convicted by Chief Sanitary Inspector Brosnan for slaughtering sheep on premises not licensed for slaughtering. It was not his first charge. [5] Considering the slaughter-house unions at that time had racially discriminatory policies, there was little scope for Abdullah to legally prepare halal meats for the Muslim community. In addition, he had ceased wearing his turban years beforehand "since the day some larrikin threw stones at me, and I did not like it"[6] Gool lived next door to Mullah Adbullah. Gool was a member of the Afridi, a Pashtun clan, from Afghanistan. He claimed he had been in the Turkish Army several times and was believed to regularly smoke strong marijauna.[7] Police Constable Mills later conjectured that Gool had used Abdullah's concerns over the fine as leverage to convince him to take part in the killings. [edit] The Picnic Train Each New Year's Day the local lodge of the Manchester Unity Order of Oddfellows held a picnic at Silverton. The train from Broken Hill to Silverton was crowded with 1200 picnickers on 40 open trucks. Three kilometres out of town, Gool and Abdullah positioned themselves on an embankment about 30 metres from the tracks. As the train passed they opened fire with two rifles, discharging 20-30 shots. The crowd originally thought the shots were in honour of the train passing, but once people started falling the reality sank in. The railway guard on the train was "Tiger" Dick (Eric Edward) Nyholm, soon to be a father of six including the late Prof Sir Ronald Nyholm [8] also of Broken Hill. Nyholm was a renowned marksman, and was instrumental in protecting the train and its passengers. [edit] The 'Battle' Gool and Mulla made their way from the train towards the West Camel camp where they lived. On the way they murdered Alfred E. Millard who had taken shelter in his hut. By this time the train had pulled over at a siding and the police were telephoned. The police contacted Lieutenant Resch at the local army base who despatched his men. When police encountered Gool and Abdullah near the Cable Hotel, the pair shot and wounded Constable Mills. Gool and Abdullah then took shelter among a white quartz outcrop, which provided good cover. A 90 minute gun battle followed, during which armed members of the public arrived to join the police and military. By the end of the battle very little shooting came from the pair and most was off target, leading Constable Ward to conclude that Mullah Abdullah was already dead and Gool was injured. James Craig (a 69 year old occupant of a house behind the Cable Hotel) who resisted his daughter's warning about chopping wood during a gun battle, was hit by a stray bullet and killed. He was the fourth victim to be killed. The seven wounded were: Mary Kavanagh, George Stokes, Thomas Campbell, Lucy Shaw (daughter of William), Alma Crocker, Rose Crabb, Constable Robert Mills. [9] At "one o'clock a rush took place to the Turks' stronghold" [9] An eyewitness later stated that Gool had stood with a white rag tied to his rifle but was cut down by gunfire (he was found with 16 wounds). The mob would not allow Abdullah's body to be taken away in the ambulance. Later that day both bodies were disposed of in secret by the police. [edit] The Aftermath The attackers left notes connecting their actions were related to the hostilities between the Ottoman and British Empires which had been officially declared in October 1914. Believing he would be killed, Gool Mahomed left a letter in his waistbelt, which stated that he was a subject of the Ottoman Sultan and that, "I must kill your men and give my life for my faith by order of the Sultan." ............

http://www.australianislamistmonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1917&catid=212&Itemid=63

Hazzar!

So the Indians were as rebellious as the Irish. Those miserable muselmen at it again!

There's one for the history books. It's nice to know that the clash of civilizations began with the battle of Broken Hill.

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Several days before the killings Adbullah was convicted by Chief Sanitary Inspector Brosnan for slaughtering sheep on premises not licensed for slaughtering. It was not his first charge. [5] Considering the slaughter-house unions at that time had racially discriminatory policies, there was little scope for Abdullah to legally prepare halal meats for the Muslim community. In addition, he had ceased wearing his turban years beforehand "since the day some larrikin threw stones at me, and I did not like it"

That's the relevant bit you should've been highlighting. He was discriminated against for wanting to slaughter his meat in the name of God. And the fine would've been unpayable. He was driven to despair and lashed out at the racist maggots who were persecuting him.... Kinda happens when you treat people like that.

he slaughtered the meat against the laws of australia.

according to you, that's immaterial

The laws were wrong.

Just like there was a law back then that you could hunt Aborigines if you found them on your property in Tasmania, do you agree with that law too sprint, just because it was the law? Is your morality merely defined by what's on the law books?

If so then you're a pretty immoral person..

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Just like there was a law back then that you could hunt Aborigines if you found them on your property in Tasmania, do you agree with that law too sprint, just because it was the law? Is your morality merely defined by what's on the law books?

Abu, that was then, this is now.
I am not them. We are not them. The democratic principle at the time was not that, else there would be no change.
Take a good hard look at what you are now and what you support...now.

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Abu, that was then, this is now. I am not them. We are not them.

Nowhere did I mention it in relation to now, I merely set the scene for the circumstances in which it occurred. It's got nothing to do with today, in fact sprint's the only one trying to make that ridiculous parallel, so your 'advice' would be best aimed at him.


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Take a good hard look at what you are now and what you support...now.

Yes... what do I support.... now???

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Yes... what do I support.... now???

I don't believe that I've ever heard you condemn acts of terrorism carried out by muslims, even when asked to do so.

I believe that you support:

The brotherhood of Islam regardless of heinous acts.
An Islamic state right here in Australia.
The non-separation of powers.
Everything written in the quran.
A belief that Allah is the only God.
Death to dissenters of Islam.
Sex with goats.

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I don't believe that I've ever heard you condemn acts of terrorism carried out by muslims, even when asked to do so

And I don't believe I've ever heard you condemn the acts of terrorism carried out by the U.S, Australian, Israeli militaries against innocent civilians, and they are far more severe for supernumery reasons.


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I believe that you support: The brotherhood of Islam regardless of heinous acts.

"The brotherhood of Islam"? Is that a group?


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An Islamic state right here in Australia.

I support an Islamic state in all of God's earth, and?


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The non-separation of powers

Ooh how dastardly.


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Everything written in the quran.

Of course! And?


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A belief that Allah is the only God

Of course! And?

In fact the very meaning of Allah is "The one and only God".


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Death to dissenters of Islam

I don't believe so.


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Sex with goats

Aren't bestiality, incest, homosexuality etc. more the freedom & democracy thing?

Thanks for being honest in regards to your blinkered idealism at least.


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And I don't believe I've ever heard you condemn the acts of terrorism carried out by the U.S, Australian, Israeli militaries against innocent civilians, and they are far more severe for supernumery reasons.

Yes I have, many times.

There's nearly 7 billion individual Gods out there Abu, each wanting their own to reign supreme.
Even the most ardent of Allah supporters have only their own God's interests at heart.
Do you suppose that a suicide bomber would sacrifice his or her life for the promise of an eternity in a torturous hell? I doubt it. You gotta sell the product to the dumbass Gods.
They won't do it just out of love for somebody else's God. They are only interested in their own God, ie: themselves. In fact, they are so bent on self-importance that they will self-destruct and render themselves as organic matter for their own God's cause. Their God will have no say ever again on this earth because somebody else's God likes to eat their own. There's no brotherhood there Abu, it's just cannibalism.ii

I wonder whether Abu prays, God willing, that one day he will have the opportunity to demonstrate his submission to Allah by being lucky enough to bash a female relative (if not to death, then at least senseless) in defense of Islam.

Beat her lightly..with a rod!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWGA8i6scYY&feature=related

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 9^th, 2010 at 7:01am:

Quote: [quote]An Islamic state right here in Australia. I support an Islamic state in all of God's earth, and? [quote]The non-separation of powers

Ooh how dastardly.


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Everything written in the quran.

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A couple of "serious" questions, Abu:

Would you really prefer an Islamic theocracy to the admittedly lame system of government we have now?

Also, do you take everything in the Koran at its face value? Is there any room for interpretation, doubt, divine revelation, etc? Or do we just accept the word as law?

Personally, I wouldn't really like to live in an Islamic state. I'm sure there are some pluses, such as universal health care, full employment, free food for the poor, zero interest rates, and other nice-sounding policies that may be applied in theory. But there are problems too. The decapitation factor turns many people off. The religious police are a rather necessary evil of an Islamic state, even if you're religious.

I know that "supporting" an Islamic state is a different matter to fighting for one - a question of values like supporting gay marriage or a ban on abortions, or a host of other issues that are unlikely to happen.

The question I'd really like to pose is this: is it necessary for devout Muslims to support an Islamic state for all of God's earth?

Or is this just a preference?

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I wonder whether Abu prays, God willing, that one day he will have the opportunity to demonstrate his submission to Allah by being lucky enough to bash a female relative (if not to death, then at least senseless) in defense of Islam.

You appear more and more pathetic with each piece of fabricated nonsense that you press out of that poor keyboard.

karnal,


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A couple of "serious" questions

You? Serious?  ;D


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Would you really prefer an Islamic theocracy to the admittedly lame system of government we have now?

Of course as a Muslim I would prefer a Caliphate. When you say Islamic theocracy, it seems you're pointing to places like Saudi Arabia maybe. If I preferred the Saudi Monarchy style of government (actually founded by the British) then I'd be there, wouldn't i?


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Also, do you take everything in the Koran at its face value?

Yes. I take it as the 100% unadulterated word of God.


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Is there any room for interpretation

All human perception is interpretation isn't it?


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doubt

No. As some of the opening verses state: "This is the book, wherein is no doubt".


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divine revelation, etc?

Not quite sure how that is different to the first part of the question.


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Or do we just accept the word as law?

I am not qualified to merely "take the word as law". It must be interpreted by one who has studied in extensively, and who is qualified to derive rulings from it.


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Personally, I wouldn't really like to live in an Islamic state

Well it's moot until one exists. I think a lot of non-Muslims will want to live and work etc. in the Caliphate when it is re-established.

Again, I think this is based on common misconceptions that derive from people's views of Saudi Arabia et. al.


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I'm sure there are some pluses, such as universal health care, full employment, free food for the poor, zero interest rates, and other nice-sounding policies that may be applied in theory.

Just a few :)


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But there are problems too. The decapitation factor turns many people off.

Didn't your parents ever teach you that with rights come responsibilities?

Capital punishment exists in several countries today, yet I doubt you'd consider all those places unlivable.


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The religious police are a rather necessary evil of an Islamic state, even if you're religious.

There's no such thing as "religious police" in Islam. This one is quite clearly a result of the Saudi Arabia misconceptions.


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The question I'd really like to pose is this: is it necessary for devout Muslims to support an Islamic state for all of God's earth? Or is this just a preference?

Of course they should support it.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 9^th, 2010 at 6:35pm:

helian, Quote: I wonder whether Abu prays, God willing, that one day he will have the opportunity to demonstrate his submission to Allah by being lucky enough to bash a female relative (if not to death, then at least senseless) in defense of Islam. You appear more and more pathetic with each piece of fabricated nonsense that you press out of that poor keyboard.

Ah, come on… You know you dream it so don’t pretend you don’t.

Think about it… A relative, yes… But now a Jezebel… An abomination in the sight of Allah, in the face of whom you get to splatter battery acid and, with one of those smooth round river rocks you collected together on a sultry day during a youthful northern gallivant, you could smash in the side of her face.

Who, but only those blind to truth, could deny the fidelity of your submission then?

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 9^th, 2010 at 6:35pm:

Quote: Also, do you take everything in the Koran at its face value? Yes. I take it as the 100% unadulterated word of God. [quote]Is there any room for interpretation

All human perception is interpretation isn't it?


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doubt

No. As some of the opening verses state: "This is the book, wherein is no doubt".


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divine revelation, etc?

Not quite sure how that is different to the first part of the question.

[/quote]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLSEaPxePZc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk40dR8UpaU&feature=watch_response


German textual analysis will be fateful to Islamic doctrine. The 100% unadulterated word of god is an unsupportable position unless aided by dearh threats against dissenters.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 9^th, 2010 at 6:35pm:

Quote: The question I'd really like to pose is this: is it necessary for devout Muslims to support an Islamic state for all of God's earth? Or is this just a preference? Of course they should support it.

Thanks a lot for your reply.

By theocracy I mean a government with the "priests" and "bishops" making the key decisions. I guess I'm thinking more of Iran than Saudi Arabia.

Your caliphate, however, sounds like a distant dream: a utopia. It has echoes of Plato's Republic and Thomas Moore. It is a very Western ideal indeed. And to be honest, I can understand why many fear the zeal of such a political dream.

For me, it just seems like a myth - the rock candy mountain.

But what goes on in people's heads is important. If indeed all Muslims should support a Muslim theocracy for all of God's earth, doesn't this give weight to the paranoia of the anti-Muslim brigade?

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By theocracy I mean a government with the "priests" and "bishops" making the key decisions.

Islam doesn't even institute a clergy, let alone rule by one.


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Your caliphate, however, sounds like a distant dream: a utopia.

Dreams and utopias do not exist, the Caliphate has existed. So not quite.. unless you'd like to redefine the terms dream and utopia?


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It has echoes of Plato's Republic and Thomas Moore.

As above, unlike those it actually existed.


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It is a very Western ideal indeed.

Apparently everything is 'Western'... right? I am honestly struggling to comprehend how you came up with that one...


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But what goes on in people's heads is important. If indeed all Muslims should support a Muslim theocracy for all of God's earth, doesn't this give weight to the paranoia of the anti-Muslim brigade?

Yet the West actually implementing their global domination over the earth is fine?

The simple fact is someone, and something has to run the global order. Some prefer it to be democracy/atheism/secularism, some prefer it to be Islam. The fact of people preferring it to be something is not in and of itself wrong is it?

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The Syro-Aramaic reading of the Qur'an

And coming up next, the Koine Greek reading of Shakespeare.

You're a dunce soren. Using one language to try and interpret texts from another, just because they share some borrowed terminology is just ludicrous. I am actually shocked you'd put your name to such stupidity.

The ide is that significant part of the koran is incomprehensible to even Arab speakers but those parts may make sense in Syrio-Aramai from which they may have been borrowed.

It doesn't have to be the final word in textual analysis  but it bears thinking about. A lot of the Koran IS gibberish.

It's a load of nonsense, and I think you and your German mentor know it.

The Qur'an makes perfect sense to the vast majority of Arabic speakers, apart from the occasional archaic term, which are all well documented anyway.

This guy is quite obviously just trying to make a little propaganda against Islam, knowing there's people daft enough (not looking at anyone one) on your side to swallow it.

I think he should reveal his identity (either that or take up the 'burka') and begin his lecture tour in Iran and then Saudi Arabia  ;D

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Some prefer it to be democracy/atheism/secularism, some prefer it to be Islam.

Once opting in to Islam, you are stuck there forever. Not only are you stuck there forever, but your children are also destined to a life within the "nation of Islam".
Correct me if I'm wrong Abu, but that seems to be the Islamic doctrine of surrender in a nutshell.

At a period or moment of weakness in one's life, where one may feel unable to make choices for themselves, which is a probable occurence in everyone's life at one time or another, Islam is there ready and waiting to pounce. Islam will destroy free choice forever if it gets the opportunity to do so.

So too will many other methods of governance. The difference being, that the more workable methods employ something called "separation of powers".
This is just a simple admission that mankind is corruptible, and most especially those who strive the hardest for positions of power.

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And I don't believe I've ever heard you condemn the acts of terrorism carried out by the U.S, Australian, Israeli militaries against innocent civilians, and they are far more severe for supernumery reasons.

I most definitely condemn acts of war, etc. if they were done in the name of monetary profit.
Will you condemn the S11 terrorists, and every other terrorist who has performed heinous acts in the name of Islam?
Will you now condemn your brothers who hack off people's heads in the name of Islam?
Go ahead Abu, condemn your brothers weakass, let's see if you can.

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I most definitely condemn acts of war, etc. if they were done in the name of monetary profit. Will you condemn the S11 terrorists, and every other terrorist who has performed heinous acts in the name of Islam?

So you condemn the Australian soldiers who are in Afghanistan terrorising the people there? Will you denounce them as terrorists who commit heinous acts in the name of democracy and secularism?

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 10^th, 2010 at 9:01pm:

It's a load of nonsense, and I think you and your German mentor know it. The Qur'an makes perfect sense to the vast majority of Arabic speakers, apart from the occasional archaic term, which are all well documented anyway. This guy is quite obviously just trying to make a little propaganda against Islam, knowing there's people daft enough (not looking at anyone one) on your side to swallow it. I think he should reveal his identity (either that or take up the 'burka') and begin his lecture tour in Iran and then Saudi Arabia  ;D

Love it how conspiracy is the first and only respone that springs to the Mohammedan mind.  It is a daily reminder of the divided world you create - houses of islam and of war. It is that resentment-filled heart that shines through.


Out of the two clips, the first one is more important - it shows that the cairo koran - the one you are taking to be the unadulterated word of god - comes after the yemeni one which, as the clip shows, has seen many corrections and alterations. The earlier yemeni one also lacks important textual elements - punctuation and vowel markers - making various interpretations not only possible but absolutely necessary.  The unadulterated word of god in the cairo koran has had some editorial assitance, in other words.
It's the second edition, at the very least. If nothing else, this makes the claim of direct divine dictation as the source of the koran - instead of the more reasonable divine inspiration - laughable.

That the idea of divine dictation is defended with death threats makes it a dangerouis idea that must be opposed.

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So you condemn the Australian soldiers who are in Afghanistan terrorising the people there? Will you denounce them as terrorists who commit heinous acts in the name of democracy and secularism?

I could've scripted that the response would come in the form of another question.
I asked the the question Abu. Give me your answer and then I will reply to your question.
What is your answer Abu?

I already know how you feel Abu, but whether or not you have the guts to say it is the big question.

Let's not pretend that the purported reason for war in Afghanistan was not purely based upon the harbouring of Bin Laden. That's historical fact. We all saw it on TV. That funny faced fellow with a trusting face still seems pretty benign to me.
It's most definitely a far bigger political game at play. Democracy is longed for in Afghanistan, so too Iran and other places of totalitarianistic government. There may be some disagreement there, but without democratic vote, we will never know.
The one thing that I find surprising about you Abu, is that you cannot comprehend that widespread opinion when privvy to open information will always result in the best choice. This is the pretext of democracy.

Your idealism Abu, is one that I would surely be proud to die fighting against, as have my fathers before me who have helped in the building of this great nation...void of Islamic influence.


And what about those S11 bombers, and who hack off the heads of innocent people. Do you denounce them as being unislamic? Do you condemn those vile acts?
Say it Abu. In the name of free speech, say it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKss2pBYQ6Y

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 8:00am:

So you condemn the Australian soldiers who are in Afghanistan terrorising the people there? Will you denounce them as terrorists who commit heinous acts in the name of democracy and secularism?

Building schools for girls is a heinous act only for you.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 10^th, 2010 at 8:07pm:

[quote] Yet the West actually implementing their global domination over the earth is fine? The simple fact is someone, and something has to run the global order. Some prefer it to be democracy/atheism/secularism, some prefer it to be Islam. The fact of people preferring it to be something is not in and of itself wrong is it?

Abu, you seem to be advocating the clash of civilizations argument yourself.

Nothing wrong with a preference, I guess, but I wouldn't be advocating my own preferences for the "whole of God's earth." I'd be advocating my preferences for myself - or, if I belonged to one, my community.

Your preference (an Islamic calphate) is for a rule over others - an Islamic form of colonialism. And remember, the Ottoman caliphate was indeed that: an empire, with all the forms of domination and imperialism that came with it, at its worst; genocide.

I believe the West's domination (or US hegemony since 1945) is on the wane. It's not a quick fall, and declines rarely are. Who knows what the new order will become?

You're mistaken that the separation of powers is not important. It's fundamental. As is the separation of church and state. I have great respect for the Dali Lama, for example, but I wouldn't want him leading the world.

The best people to rule "God's earth" are the earth's own subjects at the local level. Your calphate is just another form of empire.

We need less centralization of power and knowledge - not more. I'm sure many Muslims who have been subjected to the excesses of Western imperialism would understand this all too well.

Who on earth would want a totalitarian world state?

karnal
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Who on earth would want a totalitarian world state?

abu and other muslims

We should just start out-hustling the hustlers.

aikmann4 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2010 at 10:35am:

We should just start out-hustling the hustlers.

Effende! You want something? Nice girl, a boy, a little hasheesh?

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Who on earth would want a totalitarian world state?

All muslims attempt to subscribe fully to the words of the quran..that's their law.
It's a mistake to be letting any more muslims into our country unless we would like to see more Cronulla type incidents.

Ammadd, you don't like falafel, then??

;D ;D

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Ammadd, you don't like falafel, then??

The falafel can stay, just as islamists would allow the motor car and all associated technologies to remain within their utopia.

Import enough sub-cultures to our shores and we'll become one ourselves.
I don't take kindly to those folk who don't take kindly.

Amadd you're a nutcase.

Your fascist views don't belong in a nice peaceful democratic state like Australia.

It's dropkicks like you that should be deported, and replaced by some good wholesome boat people who deserve to be here.

intolerant, lying, can't drive with a tent over your head

deport her



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A Muslim woman who accused a policeman of trying to pull off her headdress has pleaded not guilty to knowingly making a false complaint. Carnita Matthews, 45, of Woodbine in Sydney's southwest, appeared in Campbelltown Local Court today facing one charge of knowingly making a false complaint. Matthews told a television news station she had been mistreated by police after being stopped for a random breath test. She alleged the police officer who pulled her over tried to remove her headdress, which concealed her entire face except for her eyes. The matter was adjourned to September 29 at Campbelltown Local Court. Matthews is not in custody and was not required to post bail.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/muslim-woman-says-officer-tried-to-pull-off-headdress-20100818-12bc0.html

New Muslim bikie gang in Qld, the Halal's Angels:


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/new-bikie-gang-called-soldiers-of-islam-is-gaining-momentum-on-the-gold-coast/story-e6freoof-1225969788870

:D

Coburg woman's 10-hour horror bash ordeal Shannon Deery From: Herald Sun December 22, 2010 1:14PM
http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2010/12/22/1225974/978189-omar-aboueid.jpg

Police are trying to locate Omar Aboueid in relation to the assault. Picture: Victoria Police Source: Supplied
A WOMAN who endured an horrific 10-hour bashing ordeal is now in hiding while her attacker is on the run from police.
The woman was dragged along the floor and repeatedly punched in the head by her boyfriend in a shocking case of domestic violence.

Police believe the 35-year-old woman was attacked by her boyfriend at her Coburg home following a fight about missing property on December 6.

It is believed the 37-year-old man dragged the woman into the laundry of the house and repeatedly punched her in the head before forcing her into a blue hatchback and driving off.

Police believe the man, who has access to firearms, is now on the run and have warned members of the public to not approach him under any circumstance.

The woman suffered 10 hours of gruelling attacks as the male drove around the Coburg and Reservoir areas making a number of stops to assault her.

The woman, who said she was unable to escape, suffered a broken nose and extensive bruising and swelling to the face and body as a result of the attack.

Police believe the man responsible for the alleged abduction and assault is Glenroy man Omar Aboueid.

Senior Constable Dennis Cunha from the Broadmeadows Embona Armed Robbery Taskforce said police had been unable to find Aboueid despite a two week search.

"The actual assault was quite vicious, there's some brutal injuries on the victim in relation to the swelling on the face," Sen Const Cunha said.

"Police have been actively looking for this male over the past two weeks. The male is aware that police wish to speak to him in relation to this allegation and the male is actively avoiding police apprehension."




As the Nutters Against Christmas poster says, in Islam they are protected from the evils of Chrismas and have honour, dignity, rights for women............  ZZZzzzzzzz......

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..by her boyfriend..

Quite clearly says it all doesn't it? Obviously this fellow is basing his behaviour on Aussie norms, not Islamic ones.

The fact he has an Arabic name is completely irrelevant to the story, except in the minds of the braindead hatemongers.

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 8:25pm:

Quote: ..by her boyfriend.. Quite clearly says it all doesn't it? Obviously this fellow is basing his behaviour on Aussie norms, not Islamic ones. The fact he has an Arabic name is completely irrelevant to the story, except in the minds of the braindead hatemongers.

Not at all irrelevant, my dear slippery, two-faced, dissembling pseudo-moor: Once a Muslim, ALWAYS a Muslim. In fact, you didn't convert but revert.

As I keep saying, it's our luck and the jews' luck that you guys are intellectually negligible.

So the guy quite obviously lives his life according to Aussie customs, culture and norms, yet the second he does something you don't like, it's because he's got a Muslim name.

You're a joke soren, and a poor one at that.

He's quite obviously just the average Aussie 'battler' who's "given the missus what-for 'cos she stepped outta line". There's nothing unAustralian at all about what he's done, except maybe he went a bit over the top. Yet according to Islam, his whole lifestyle is a contradiction to it's norms, including this.

So is the criminal a moslem, pagan, jew, christian or atheist?

tallowood wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2010 at 10:05pm:

So is the criminal a moslem, pagan, jew, christian or atheist?

I really do not care.

But if our justice system would just exterminate violent criminals, there would be a lot less violent criminals.
And there would certainly be, no repeat offenders.
Australia would be a much safer place, and i could probably leave my doors unlocked, when i went to town.

Sounds like you do want Shari'ah after all Yadda.  ;D

Who would want anything to do with the followers of Islam when they post things such as this


     

"asshole mother buggerer, you mother and sisters, dont they wear burqa or do they walk naked in the streets, what a hooker mother and sister u have, u cock sucking gay asshole mofo "

That's not uncommon and as Andrew Bolt said after receiving such like comments

"it only serves to prove that I chose the right side to support"


These Abu are the followers of Moh !!

Try someof these too .............


http://www.patcondell.net/page4/page4.html

Yes, I post this, Mr Cocky Doll. Very important for the woman to dress in her cloth. Woman is blessed to have such nice burqa to wear, insh'allah. Many sister in the world can afford only T shirt and underpant, is very sad.

We must pray for the woman to have nice cloth to cover her genital, tittie and face. God wills this, my frien.

It's very interesting, to me, that everytime I read the complaint responses on ANY website (like Condell's, and others) that the abusive posts are almost always mispelled...

Not just religious ones, politics, football or what ever....

I wonder why that is????

Ignorance !

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It's very interesting, to me, that everytime I read the complaint responses on ANY website (like Condell's, and others) that the abusive posts are almost always mispelled... Not just religious ones, politics, football or what ever.... I wonder why that is????

My guess would be that they're self-inflicted. Condell, Bolt and other hatemongering half wits probably pen them themselves, and post them to get their followers revved up. The surgically inserted spelling and grammar errors serve to vindicate their respective followers in that they are facing a foreign entity with inferior intelligence to their own.

I've come across very few Muslims in the West who have such poor language skills. So the self-inflicted hypothesis is the only one that springs to mind for me.

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 6:57pm:

I've come across very few Muslims in the West who have such poor language skills. So the self-inflicted hypothesis is the only one that springs to mind for me.

This was your spiritual leader for 20 years, until he stepped down, and he still needs a smacking interpreter!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvYTBrL8g5Y


Just noticed - he's wearing a Santa cap - nice touch! Very German of him, eh??

Happy Christmas Soren.

He hasn't gone anywhere.... more's the pity
He's still preaching at the Lakemba mosque

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 6:57pm:

Quote: It's very interesting, to me, that everytime I read the complaint responses on ANY website (like Condell's, and others) that the abusive posts are almost always mispelled... Not just religious ones, politics, football or what ever.... I wonder why that is???? My guess would be that they're self-inflicted. Condell, Bolt and other hatemongering half wits probably pen them themselves, and post them to get their followers revved up. The surgically inserted spelling and grammar errors serve to vindicate their respective followers in that they are facing a foreign entity with inferior intelligence to their own. I've come across very few Muslims in the West who have such poor language skills. So the self-inflicted hypothesis is the only one that springs to mind for me.

OMG how truly pathetic you are  !!!!!!!!!!  A laugh a minute

What a prig !!

I've been reading your posts on muslim boards and you have to be the most "UP YOURSELF" person around.

I suppose all those muslims with the manners of a pigs, that post on Youtube & that send vile emails to countless sites in western countries, don't live in them.

Is that  your take on it ??

Just picked this up elsewhere

We say we come in peace... to share your lucky land
It’s not our bloody fault you missed our evil plan
First we build our mosque... to pray you understand
But of course we want to kill you
As it says in our Koran

Then when you scum aren’t looking
We preach our words of hate
‘Kill those Aussie pigs
Make their land a Muslim state’

Next we take the dole
And make your country pay
Keep sponging off you Aussies
Until invasion day

Amazing how you help us
With your democratic ways
We will use it all against you
Until ‘the end of days’

We infiltrate your system
Spread Islam to the young
We need to teach your children
Their mum and dad are scum

Now we’re in the Uni’s
Making our demands
You kafirs are so stupid
And will never understand

Your filthy Aussie toilets
Gives us all the poos
So now we have our own
Our special Muslim loos

Now spreading through the suburbs
Like a serpent in the sand
Pushing out the Aussies
Every, child, every woman, every man

Your policemen are so tricky
How dare they film our lies?
We could’ve called them racists
So hard to when they’re wise

And what about some judges
Who thwart our evil plans?
Our Imam didn’t tell us
Sometimes justice plays a hand

So now we’re in the system
From banks to law and schools
Now we pull the noose
And hang you Aussie fools

Our mosques are growing fast
And we lie at every turn
Next we build our bombs
To watch you Aussies burn

Muhammad’s on the doorstep
You Aussies let us in
To infiltrate your system
Now Islam is your king

There is no room for infidels
In our new great Aussie land
So thanks so much for helping us
Roll out our master plan

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 24^th, 2010 at 11:47pm:

Sounds like you do want Shari'ah after all Yadda.  ;D

In your dreams Abu.

I do not believe in the right to kill people, who do not believe, as i believe.

e.g.
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
law/fiqhussunnah/fus3_50 #3.110

n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

That determination is essentially repeated here, in the Hadith...

"...the Prophet said, If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260



I do believe that violent criminals should be permanently removed from an open society.
...even if that means ending their lives.



+++
Yadda posted,


Yadda wrote on Dec 24^th, 2010 at 11:57am:

tallowood wrote on Dec 23rd, 2010 at 10:05pm: So is the criminal a moslem, pagan, jew, christian or atheist? I really do not care. But if our justice system would just exterminate violent criminals, there would be a lot less violent criminals. And there would certainly be, no repeat offenders. Australia would be a much safer place, and i could probably leave my doors unlocked, when i went to town.

Cockney, reminds me of the kinds of stuff written about your ancestors in places like France & Germany..

Certainly come full circle haven't ya?

Really showing your true colours now, aren't you Abu?
If you wan to be accepted and stop what is inevitable happening to Muslims. I suggest that you stop  this Caliphate nonsense and conquering the world. I England they reckon the Buckingham Palace will be a mosque and it the Queen doesn’t convert they'll kill her.

Where's the condemnation Abu?

"The Religion of Peace? "  My left foot !!!
You need to start speaking out if you are against the violence of Islam. You need to read and understand that so-called holy book of yours. I have. No other religion preaches hate, death and violence as Islam…..OH sorry, you yourself said it’s not a religion.

Good old Keysar Trad, when asked last week in an interview to condemn Hamas, he wouldn’t. Traitor. He should be kicked out of this country
http://www.2ue.com.au/blogs/2ue-blog/council-joins-boycott-against-israel/20101221-1945k.html

He won’t condemn this.

Hamas says Israel has two options: leave or die
At first, this statement may seem at odds with recent reports in which Hamas said it is committed to its current "truce" with Israel, but the hudna is never meant to last. It is a temporary cessation of hostilities, and only when it is in the interest of Islamic forces to re-arm and regroup -- not to mention the opportunity it provides for Hamas to deceive the credulous into thinking they could be sincere participants in a meaningful "peace process."
This report only serves to remind that Hamas' ultimate goal, the destruction of Israel, remains unchanged. "Hamas: Israel has two options - death or leaving Palestinian lands," from Haaretz, December 25 (thanks to Sr. Soph):
The head of Hamas' armed wing warned Israel on Saturday against launching any new military action in the Gaza Strip, accusing Israel of attempting to escalate the situation. The statement came after days of renewed rocket fire on Israeli communities and Israel Defense Forces strikes in Gaza.
Hamas would not rest until Israel was ousted from Palestine, said Ahmed al-Jabari, leader of the Izz a-din al-Qassam Brigades, adding that Israel had two options - to leave Palestinian territories or face death. He said that Hamas resistance would continue as long as Zionists remained in Palestine.
Also Saturday, Al-Qassam Brigades spokesman Abu Obeida warned Israel to refrain from any further aggression in the Gaza Strip, at a news conference in Gaza to mark the second anniversary of Operation Cast Lead, a three-week IDF incursion aimed at halting rocket fire on Israel's southern communities from the strip.
Hudna's working:
"We are now stronger than before and during the war, and our silence over the past two years was only for evaluating the situation," Abu Obeida told the news conference. "We won't face the current attempts of the enemy to escalate the situation with silence."
Abu Obeida said that the news conference was being held to mark the second anniversary of the Gaza war, and the 23rd anniversary of the founding of Hamas.
Israel Air Force warplanes carried out three airstrikes late Friday against targets in the Gaza Strip. Israeli F-16s flying over the coastal enclave fired two missiles at suspected smuggling tunnels on the border between southern Gaza and Egypt. No injuries were reported, witnesses said.
An IDF spokesman confirmed the three air raids, saying the strikes were in response to a homemade rocket fired earlier Friday by Gaza militant groups at southern Israel.
Earlier Friday, a Hamas official said that the organization was committed to the unofficial ceasefire with Israel reached after Operation Cast Lead in 2008, despite the recent rise in violence.
But rocket and mortar fire from Gaza have increased in the run-up to the second anniversary of Israel's offensive in the Gaza Strip, which began on December 27, 2008 and lasted for three weeks.

No idea why Hilali came up

This is what should have

http://www.2ue.com.au/blogs/2ue-blog/council-joins-boycott-against-israel/20101221-1945k.html

And again

I'll just post the link and you can listen to good old Trad !!

http://www.2ue.com.au/blogs/2ue-blog/council-joins-boycott-against-israel/20101221-1945k.html

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Good old Keysar Trad, when asked last week in an interview to condemn Hamas, he wouldn’t. Traitor.

The Zionist entity is the one that committed war crimes, do you condemn them? No, you fully support them in their actions.

And as for traitor, the Zionists are the ones with spies here (hence our expelling of one of them, which Rudd ended up paying dearly for), so if anyone is a traitor, it'd be you, for supporting an entity which is known to be engaging in espionage against us.

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but the hudna is never meant to last.

It's almost amusing that you use the Arabic word for ceasefire/armistice, as if to promote the idea it's a strictly Islamic concept. If it weren't for your despicable hate filled agenda behind it that is.

Are you not aware that most states that have ever been in existence have had ceasefires and armistices with their foes? Or are you so blinded and deluded by your ignorance and hatred, that you've turned it into a purely Islamic concept in that warped little realm in your head that we could call your 'mind'?

What the hell are you crapping on about.?

You are defeated and you know it

You carry on not only here but on the Muslim boards like a traitor to this country. Quite sickening actually. About time you started some condemnation.

Remarks in regards to the muslim who plotted to attack the army base, says much

You lot aren’t for real.

2 terrorists charged on a terrorist plot and people of your ‘religion’ say
“May Allah give their families patience.”
“Alhamdulillah two are free”
“may Allah give them Sabr and their families also and release them”

Should be…

Good, now we can get rid of more like this so that people don’t think that’s what we are all like…but no !!!!

You lot aren’t for real.

2 terrorists charged on a terrorist plot and people of your ‘religion’ say
“May Allah give their families patience.”
“Alhamdulillah two are free”
“may Allah give them Sabr and their families also and release them”

Should be…

Good, now we can get rid of more like this so that people don’t think that’s what we are all like…but no !!!!

Here's the first thing Isumbled on by Abu Rashid when I lookedn on the Aussiemuslimsforum (here I am banned for beng a non-muslim):


Originally Posted by Abu.Kauthar
if you're talking about the Ottomans, i don't really know their motives, could've been religious or political or something else. Ottomans weren't as good as people seem to think.



Response by abu rashid
Servant of Allah
Location: Allah's Dunya
http://www.aussiemuslims.com/forums/image.php?u=60&dateline=1097612373

Despite their failings, they were an entire universe better than the Kha'in scumbags that sell out the Ummah to the kuffar to rape and pillage, that you seem to support.




Who do you think he means by 'the kuffar'?

Soren wrote on Dec 26^th, 2010 at 9:59pm:

Here's the first thing Isumbled on by Abu Rashid when I lookedn on the Aussiemuslimsforum (here I am banned for beng a non-muslim): Originally Posted by Abu.Kauthar if you're talking about the Ottomans, i don't really know their motives, could've been religious or political or something else. Ottomans weren't as good as people seem to think. Response by abu rashid Servant of Allah Location: Allah's Dunya http://www.aussiemuslims.com/forums/image.php?u=60&dateline=1097612373 Despite their failings, they were an entire universe better than the Kha'in scumbags that sell out the Ummah to the kuffar to rape and pillage, that you seem to support. Who do you think he means by 'the kuffar'? Kaffar ......us .....................the infidels !!!!!!!!!! http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://chinhuatw.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/devil.gif&imgrefurl=http://chinhuatw.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/a-malaysian-tale/devil/&h=1243&w=1315&sz=238&tbnid=qRLllUuolPqS1M:&tbnh=142&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddevil&zoom=1&q=devil&hl=en&usg=__-67Wvwk2a0RctSo5v5ZMM2776k8=&sa=X&ei=UjEXTcTEOsfBcYP-rd0I&sqi=2&ved=0CFkQ9QEwBQ

Blow it !!!  My little devil didn't work !!

i got pulled up on Muslim Village.

I told them they were a bit touchy, to say the least if they had issue with what I said.

I also them to check out what their 'brothers & sisters' were posting as ASIO might be interested

Since then they have left me alone

Cockney Doll wrote on Dec 26^th, 2010 at 10:16pm:

Blow it !!!  My little devil didn't work !!

Ah! He was in the detail, though, as always.


http://chinhuatw.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/devil.gif

Thanks..........cute little bugger isn't he ?