Can anyone recall any occasion when a Police Office who killed someone, was actually charged and tried for his actions?  On the other hand, can anyone recall an occasion when someone who was not a Police Officer, who killed somone, was not charged and tried for their actions?

In QLD a few years ago a home invader was killed by the home owner not sure how , but the police were trying to charge him with manslaughter on the grounds he used to much force for the situation , he got off ...

As far as a cop getting charged this is the nearest i know and he will be going back to court i think now with some new evidence presemt recently .


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The 2004 Palm Island death in custody incident relates to the death of Palm Island, Queensland  resident, Mulrunji on Friday, 19 November 2004 in a police cell. The death of Mulrunji led to civic disturbances on the island and a legal, political and media sensation that continued for three years culminating in the first trial of an Australian police officer for a death in custody. The officer was acquitted by a Townsville jury in June 2007.

Yeah, forgot about that most famous one.  Understandable as it has been a boring saga, still ongoing.


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In QLD a few years ago a home invader was killed by the home owner not sure how , but the police were trying to charge him with manslaughter on the grounds he used to much force for the situation , he got off ...

Was he charged, tried and ''got off," or was he never charged, do you know?

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 9:19pm:

Yeah, forgot about that most famous one.  Understandable as it has been a boring saga, still ongoing. Quote: In QLD a few years ago a home invader was killed by the home owner not sure how , but the police were trying to charge him with manslaughter on the grounds he used to much force for the situation , he got off ... Was he charged, tried and ''got off," or was he never charged, do you know?

As I recollect it he was charged, tried and acquitted.

It is many years back now though so I could be mistaken.

yeah charged , went to court , judge told the police to take a hike , no case

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 9:43pm:

yeah charged , went to court , judge told the police to take a hike , no case

Okay, so I am still searching for the occasion when someone, not a Police Officer, killed someone and was not charged, and tried.

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 9:05pm:

Can anyone recall any occasion when a Police Office who killed someone, was actually charged and tried for his actions?  On the other hand, can anyone recall an occasion when someone who was not a Police Officer, who killed somone, was not charged and tried for their actions?

Yep , Detective-Sergeant Roger Rogerson was convicted of killing a drug dealer named Warren Lanfranchi in 1981....

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 9:55pm:

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 14th, 2010 at 9:43pm: yeah charged , went to court , judge told the police to take a hike , no case Okay, so I am still searching for the occasion when someone, not a Police Officer, killed someone and was not charged, and tried.

I can't think of one.  What's my prize if I do get it?

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 9:55pm:

Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 14th, 2010 at 9:43pm: yeah charged , went to court , judge told the police to take a hike , no case Okay, so I am still searching for the occasion when someone, not a Police Officer, killed someone and was not charged, and tried.

There were 3 WW2 vets, in a period of about 5 weeks (15 or 20 yrs ago) 1 in Sydney, 1 in Melbourne and 1 in Brisbane....ALL 3 were victims of home invasions....all 3 killed the attackers, the first one ( in Sydney I think) was arrested and charged, but the charge was dismissed, the 2nd was arrested but never charged and the 3rd wasn't even arrested..

Confusing.  But, that makes two mentioned on the Police Officer side.   There have been many, many more killed by Police Officers.

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 10:04pm:

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Rogerson]Confusing.  But, that makes two mentioned on the Police Officer side.   There have been many, many more killed by Police Officers.

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And?....most people killed by the police are either trying to kill the police, or trying to kill some poor citizen...like YOU

Don't fall into the 'trap' of thinking all police are 'bent'.....like motorcyclists...it's about 1% (worldwide) that are dodgy...

Fair enough, in times long past the percentage may have been higher....but these days, the only thing a copper hates more than a crim....is a bent copper.

cops invade human beings home

scenario,

human being shoots cop?

no forgiveness and gaol.

cop shoots cop?

forgiveness and no gaol.

what planet am i on?

it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 10:14pm:

what planet am i on?

I'm thinking the same thing

it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 10:14pm:

what planet am i on?

Seriously.....we've been trying to work THAT out for years...

sometimes i forget,this is surely bizzaro world,

soon to ascend yes,these things will be a memory soon.

regardless,the fact remains.

cops can legally shoot cops deader than a hammer

and so it is

namaste

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And?....most people killed by the police are either trying to kill the police, or trying to kill some poor citizen...like YOU Don't fall into the 'trap' of thinking all police are 'bent'.....like motorcyclists...it's about 1% (worldwide) that are dodgy... Fair enough, in times long past the percentage may have been higher....but these days, the only thing a copper hates more than a crim....is a bent copper.

You may have missed my point, which has nothing to do with bent coppers.

I have always been curious why an ordinary person, who has killed in the most obvious circumstances of self defence, is still charged, and put throught the judicial system to have their fate determined, as opposed to for example this current case, where a copper has shot someone, yet his colleagues are saying they will not charge him.  That highlights the fact that coppers will protect their own from having their fate determined by the judicial system, with the simple expediency of not charging him.

Aussie wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 8:35am:

Quote: And?....most people killed by the police are either trying to kill the police, or trying to kill some poor citizen...like YOU Don't fall into the 'trap' of thinking all police are 'bent'.....like motorcyclists...it's about 1% (worldwide) that are dodgy... Fair enough, in times long past the percentage may have been higher....but these days, the only thing a copper hates more than a crim....is a bent copper. You may have missed my point, which has nothing to do with bent coppers. I have always been curious why an ordinary person, who has killed in the most obvious circumstances of self defence, is still charged, and put throught the judicial system to have their fate determined, as opposed to for example this current case, where a copper has shot someone, yet his colleagues are saying they will not charge him.  That highlights the fact that coppers will protect their own from having their fate determined by the judicial system, with the simple expediency of not charging him.

For much the same reason soldiers aren't charge with murder for killing enemy soldiers........It's their job, if necessary, to kill..

Same as with the police, they are authorised to take a life if there is no other option....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2010 at 10:02pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2010 at 9:55pm: Binary Ninja wrote on Sep 14th, 2010 at 9:43pm: yeah charged , went to court , judge told the police to take a hike , no case Okay, so I am still searching for the occasion when someone, not a Police Officer, killed someone and was not charged, and tried. There were 3 WW2 vets, in a period of about 5 weeks (15 or 20 yrs ago) 1 in Sydney, 1 in Melbourne and 1 in Brisbane....ALL 3 were victims of home invasions....all 3 killed the attackers, the first one ( in Sydney I think) was arrested and charged, but the charge was dismissed, the 2nd was arrested but never charged and the 3rd wasn't even arrested..

That's music to me ears. Pity the first two had to be arrested though. Hope all three recieved a special commendation for extra service to their country. I salute you boys!!!

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Same as with the police, they are authorised to take a life if there is no other option....

The coppers have no more authority to kill than you or I have.   There is no special provision which gives them any greater authority than is available to a non copper.

Okay this guy did not kill the intruder, but police concluded that it was self defence.

Police say a 77-year-old grandfather who shot a home intruder in the stomach at his Herne Hill winery last night had a right to defend himself.

The family of Eugenio Valenti, who was left shaken by the incident, is now calling on the State Government to improve community safety.

Police said Mr Valenti fired off a round of his 12-gauge shotgun in his house after he armed himself in his bedroom and threatened to shoot if the men came into his room.

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/grandfather-had-right-to-selfdefence-police-20090219-8bqk.html

If I remember correctly, Mr Valenti locked himself in his bedroom with his invalid wife.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 8:38am:

Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 8:35am: Quote: And?....most people killed by the police are either trying to kill the police, or trying to kill some poor citizen...like YOU Don't fall into the 'trap' of thinking all police are 'bent'.....like motorcyclists...it's about 1% (worldwide) that are dodgy... Fair enough, in times long past the percentage may have been higher....but these days, the only thing a copper hates more than a crim....is a bent copper. You may have missed my point, which has nothing to do with bent coppers. I have always been curious why an ordinary person, who has killed in the most obvious circumstances of self defence, is still charged, and put throught the judicial system to have their fate determined, as opposed to for example this current case, where a copper has shot someone, yet his colleagues are saying they will not charge him.  That highlights the fact that coppers will protect their own from having their fate determined by the judicial system, with the simple expediency of not charging him. For much the same reason soldiers aren't charge with murder for killing enemy soldiers........It's their job, if necessary, to kill.. Same as with the police, they are authorised to take a life if there is no other option....

But they can and do get charged if they kill civillians, albeit inadvertantly as with the boys of the commando regiment.

The cop killed one of his own, not a crim, looks like negligence to me. Unfortunate, but well worth a presecution just like they do to civilians and soldiers for the same thing.

From the very article you linked Deborah:


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"Obviously when anything like this happens we have to investigate all possibilities ... but we can't say at this stage whether any charges will be laid."

I wonder what the final outcome was?

Found that for myself.  He was not charged.  So, we have found one case involving a civilian.

Aussie wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 9:58am:

From the very article you linked Deborah: Quote: "Obviously when anything like this happens we have to investigate all possibilities ... but we can't say at this stage whether any charges will be laid." I wonder what the final outcome was?

Sorry linked wrong one.

A 77-year-old Herne Hill man will not be charged over the shooting of an intruder in his home last week

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/herne-hill-man-rightly-defended-himself-in-horror-scene-police-20090223-8fcg.html

*snap*

Aussie wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 10:08am:

*snap*

Crackle pop  ;D

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Thousands of uniformed police officers will line the streets of Sydney on Thursday to honour their fallen colleague Constable Bill Crews.

It was awfully nice of the cities crims to agree to a day off so the cops can stand around and mourn a guy 99% of them never knew.

It's strange how cops in England & New Zealand don't have guns
& can still maintain law & order.
Australia is like the wild west with cowboy cops now
shooting each other.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 10:33am:

It's strange how cops in England & New Zealand don't have guns & can still maintain law & order. Australia is like the wild west with cowboy cops now shooting each other.

They do have guns now. Because they need them, because the criminals have them.

If all the good guys had guns and were prepared to use them against the bad guys, then the police would not need guns.

Aussie wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 8:35am:

Quote: And?....most people killed by the police are either trying to kill the police, or trying to kill some poor citizen...like YOU Don't fall into the 'trap' of thinking all police are 'bent'.....like motorcyclists...it's about 1% (worldwide) that are dodgy... Fair enough, in times long past the percentage may have been higher....but these days, the only thing a copper hates more than a crim....is a bent copper. You may have missed my point, which has nothing to do with bent coppers. I have always been curious why an ordinary person, who has killed in the most obvious circumstances of self defence, is still charged, and put throught the judicial system to have their fate determined, as opposed to for example this current case, where a copper has shot someone, yet his colleagues are saying they will not charge him.  That highlights the fact that coppers will protect their own from having their fate determined by the judicial system, with the simple expediency of not charging him.

If there were no corrupt police there would not be a Police Integrity Commission.

projectile weapons are deadly, get it?
never should they be used, and cops should not carry them.
any citizen has the right to protect home and hearth.
cops have little baring.
but, it must be clean.
not always the case.
j.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 10:33am:

It's strange how cops in England & New Zealand don't have guns & can still maintain law & order. Australia is like the wild west with cowboy cops now shooting each other.

Disarming police is not an idea I would support. But I don't support disarming citizens either.

locutius wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 12:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 10:33am: It's strange how cops in England & New Zealand don't have guns & can still maintain law & order. Australia is like the wild west with cowboy cops now shooting each other. Disarming police is not an idea I would support. But I don't support disarming citizens either.

In an ideal world I would support it, because no one would have guns.
But I hesitate to leave only the bad guys with guns. If we removed every thing that is used or could be used as a weapon, we would not even have cars to drive.

We need to bring back the old time "propper Copper" and put the pathetic, goose stepping girly boys and girly girls behind a desk where they belong.

if you are a cop,and one of your cop workmates

does not like you,

be very carefull when you go playing stormtrooper wont you?

it is legal for cops top shoot cops it seems.

is this not the fact?

all have unconditional forgiveness

all are LOVED beyond measure

i regard all as sacred yes and divine

a life lost is another dear heart that leaves this 3rd dimension

for the higher realms

and so it is

namaste

Thanks for reminding me how sacred and devine I am Wharfy.

Go in peace brother.

i have this on very good authority yes,

all are sacred and divine

i like to validate reality you see,with grace

namaste