mozzaok wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 1:30pm:

meshnet wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 1:23pm: I think mellie made her circumstances clear, this and even went on  to elaborate further of which should have put even your most ardent dimwits/trolls minds at rest, if you will excuse the pun. Those of you who have chosen to run with it and maliciously attack her with a view to running her off this site will have only yourselves to blame when she and others execute fair and balanced conversation on this and a number of other topics elsewhere, perhaps in a place some of you wont know about, much less will be able stifle the way you clearly have here. All you have achieved is messing with the diversity of this sites limited discussion about Australian politics, though if sitting around and talking to yourselves and agreeing with each other insensately constitutes for a job well done, and  getting it out there   then hey, let us not cramp your style pork-chops. meshnet 8-) _____________________________________________ Censor thy leaky ship as much as you like, but it still wont float. Congratulations, one of the least coherent and silliest first posts ever. Should we assume that you may be a troll already banned, coming back for another attempt for the title of pest of the year? Or are you just a poor lost soul struggling to form a coherent thought?

So you are opposed to new posters having an opinion either way with respects to the conduct of one of your libellous slanderous posters eg Mantra? So long as their political jumpsuits align with your left sleeve, then it's all hunky dory I suspect?

....  Appear as neutral as you like, it's clear to me that had a non-GALP supporting poster accused mellie of this same thing, you would have banned them quick as a flash, given you have banned others here for having done much less.

Mantra  will tell you when she is willing to forgive you for not being her support-mod on demand, not the other way round...just listen out for the crack of her whip, so you know exactly when to jump Moz.

That thread became a discussion as to whether or not mellie is a murderer, not euthanasia, and you as the wimpy mod let it happen.

When now, after all that, you finally decided it was time to pull up the gate and close the thread, I hope you got Mantras permission first though, or did she fire the order?



meshnet

_____________________________________________

Censor thy leaky ship as much as you like, but it still wont float.

I am all for democracy and freedom of speech etc - but I reckon that thread got to the point of absurd and completely lost its topic 30 posts back.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 2:21pm:

I am all for democracy and freedom of speech etc - but I reckon that thread got to the point of absurd and completely lost its topic 30 posts back.

I agree, which is why I think the mods should have done something sooner, right about the time where their posters began accusing others of murder, this and threatening to leave the board.

Looks to me as though the mods were enjoying themselves at the expense of those being trolled.

??????????

WTF is all this about?

I agree, which is why I think the mods should have done something sooner, right about the time where their posters began accusing others of murder, this and threatening to leave the board.

Looks to me as though the mods were enjoying themselves at the expense of those being trolled.

- Mesh

Mellie??? Is that you???

It was always going to be impossible to control the instant Mellie posted this:


Quote:

At which point, we stopped fluids immediately (both my mother and I are RN's).., up'ed her  morphine which was essentially an overdose (to a level we both knew would result in respiratory arrest within minutes)..

Someone recognized that as a spade, and said so.

Aussie wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 2:28pm:

It was always going to be impossible to control the instant Mellie posted this: Quote: At which point, we stopped fluids immediately (both my mother and I are RN's).., up'ed her  morphine which was essentially an overdose (to a level we both knew would result in respiratory arrest within minutes).. Someone recognised that as a spade, and said so.

No, several including the mod recognised Mantra for the venomous individual she is, this and told it so...it's just the topic should have been closed at this point, not allowed to continue excreting venom.

Get the message.

Yes, I saw that.  What they clearly had not seen was what Mellie posted, as quoted by me above in this Thread.  As I said, Mantra recognised that as a shovel and called it a shovel.  Others then pretended that Mellie had not posted those words.  Pretty pointless and absurd really, as they are still there for all to see.

Oh ok .. so Mellie is now Meshnet.

I got the message LOUD and CLEAR.

Why the change in ID Mellie??

Despite mellie having then further expanded on the situation,(as 'only' Mantra took offence)... Mantra continued to attack her, then deleted her comments so as to make it appear she was none the wiser re- mellie having elaborated.  Pity for her, others had already seen it, this and reacted to her malicious accusations.

She was caught out, deal with it.

Should have apologised to Mellie, though her pride wouldn't permit.

I have it on good word, that Mellie doesn't want an apology, she just would prefer Mantra left her alone, this and stopped stalking and trolling her.

She's done her dash!

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 2:44pm:

Oh ok .. so Mellie is now Meshnet. I got the message LOUD and CLEAR. Why the change in ID Mellie??

Why does it take 3 desperate trolls to defend one Mantra, and only one Mellie to defend herself?

Quote:

then deleted her comments

I might be wong, but here Members cannot delete a Post without leaving clear evidence.  They can only 'modify' and the modification is made known by the software.  Mozzaok has conceded that he, as Moderator, deleted a Post.

If I ever get a nurse named Mellie, I'll be getting her watched ever so carefully. I can't believe you have escaped prison for so long, first the school teacher incident and now the murder, lucky we don't have the death penalty here, or it really would be lethal injection.....for her.

Mellie/Meshnet .. you've done this act on Yahoo many times over many years.

Stop playing the same record. It's tiresome and immature.

Show some respect for the Moderators of this forum .. PLEASE!!

Also (and I do mean this with the utmost sincerity) .. take your depression and bi polar etc medication Mellie. You're not well again.

Otherwise .. take care. Take some time off and look after yourself and your kids.

How about you come back when you're feeling better and more in control of your emotions and feelings.

Kind regards

Lisa

Aussie wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 2:55pm:

Quote: then deleted her comments I might be wong, but here Members cannot delete a Post without leaving clear evidence.  They can only 'modify' and the modification is made known by the software.  Mozzaok has conceded that he, as Moderator, deleted a Post.

She modified her post a couple of times, by leaving mellies quoted text there, though erasing her own comment she placed underneath mellies quote within the body of her own post, as can be demonstrated by looking at it.

She was caught out, by the mod, end of story.

Aussie wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 2:43pm:

Yes, I saw that.  What they clearly had not seen was what Mellie posted, as quoted by me above in this Thread.  As I said, Mantra recognised that as a shovel and called it a shovel.  Others then pretended that Mellie had not posted those words.  Pretty pointless and absurd really, as they are still there for all to see.

A cautionary tale:
"Poor dad had been suffering terrible heart lung disease for a very long time, and as both mum and I were registered nurses, and knew the odds, we decided that doing a heart lung transplant would be his best option, so that is what we decided to do."

Now if you are a genius of the calibre of aussie, you know a shovel when you see one, and realise they mean they will forgo doctors and hospitals, and rip out his heart and lungs on the kitchen table, and whip in a new set, because they never mentioned hospitals or doctors.

Of course we mere mortals who took it as understood, should be ashamed for not accusing them of being vampires, how could we have missed it?"

I note that mellie could have made her original post more transparent for the duller knifes in the drawer, but even so, you would have to be seriously thick to miss the obvious inference that medical procedures are likely to be taking place in a medical institution of some kind.

Like catching flies with honey, here Moz, here are all your forum trouble makers, all wrapped up in one tidy thread.

Must I bag them for you also?

Do with them what you will...I'm bored with them, just wanted to make a point.

Note, how the more narky/catty ones seem to be woman?

Rather disappointing, even if I do say so myself.

::)

Why does it take 3 desperate trolls to defend one Mantra, and only one Mellie to defend herself?

- Meshnet/Mellie

Huh???

WTF is Mantra???

Seriously Mellie .. just take some time out. Come back when you're feeling more in control.

You are not well at the moment. Unfortunately you cannot see it. Log off and take your medication and take a break THEN come back when you're feeling better.

Be kind to yourself and to your kids. Ok??

Kind regards

Lisa

That is strawman rubbish.  That was not my point, not even Mellie's point.  I don't even have a point.  My only offering is that Mellie wrote what she wrote, and it is clear what she meant, and what she described.  No point trying to pretend that the elephant right beside you is not there Mozzaok.  

:)

mozzaok wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 3:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 2:43pm: Yes, I saw that.  What they clearly had not seen was what Mellie posted, as quoted by me above in this Thread.  As I said, Mantra recognised that as a shovel and called it a shovel.  Others then pretended that Mellie had not posted those words.  Pretty pointless and absurd really, as they are still there for all to see. A cautionary tale: "Poor dad had been suffering terrible heart lung disease for a very long time, and as both mum and I were registered nurses, and knew the odds, we decided that doing a heart lung transplant would be his best option, so that is what we decided to do." Now if you are a genius of the calibre of aussie, you know a shovel when you see one, and realise they mean they will forgo doctors and hospitals, and rip out his heart and lungs on the kitchen table, and whip in a new set, because they never mentioned hospitals or doctors. Of course we mere mortals who took it as understood, should be ashamed for not accusing them of being vampires, how could we have missed it?" I note that mellie could have made her original post more transparent for the duller knifes in the drawer, but even so, you would have to be seriously thick to miss the obvious inference that medical procedures are likely to be taking place in a medical institution of some kind.

True Moz, and whilst I don't mind dumbing down from time to time, I draw the line at dribbling on the floor.

They knew fine well what 'mellie' meant ...just used it as an excuse to dig the knife in again as usual, because they are lame ducks.

And try not to let them convince you otherwise because even after mellie had clarified this, they still kept accusing her of being a murderer, and still are. Her explaining the situation made no difference to Mantra and co what so ever. They as usual, take fragments of peoples posts and run with it...like a dog with a ream of sausages. ..one after the other...and now Lisa doggy is struggling to keep up with the others who are clearly more agile.

I'll chat to you more about this elsewhere Moz...  I don't have my flea-collar on, and this threads starting to make me itch.

and now Lisa doggy is struggling to keep up with the others who are clearly more agile.

- Mellie/Meshnet

No! I only just logged on here.

And anyone here can clearly see I am trying to reach out to you.

Arrrggh never mind.

Why do I bother!

Hey .. have a great afternoon Mellie. Take care of yourself and your kids. Remember .. you health comes first.

Kind regards

Lisa

Well done Lisa, you got it.

http://www.bookofjoe.com/images/2008/09/08/sausage.jpg

meshnet wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 3:11pm:

mozzaok wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 3:00pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 2:43pm: Yes, I saw that.  What they clearly had not seen was what Mellie posted, as quoted by me above in this Thread.  As I said, Mantra recognised that as a shovel and called it a shovel.  Others then pretended that Mellie had not posted those words.  Pretty pointless and absurd really, as they are still there for all to see. A cautionary tale: "Poor dad had been suffering terrible heart lung disease for a very long time, and as both mum and I were registered nurses, and knew the odds, we decided that doing a heart lung transplant would be his best option, so that is what we decided to do." Now if you are a genius of the calibre of aussie, you know a shovel when you see one, and realise they mean they will forgo doctors and hospitals, and rip out his heart and lungs on the kitchen table, and whip in a new set, because they never mentioned hospitals or doctors. Of course we mere mortals who took it as understood, should be ashamed for not accusing them of being vampires, how could we have missed it?" I note that mellie could have made her original post more transparent for the duller knifes in the drawer, but even so, you would have to be seriously thick to miss the obvious inference that medical procedures are likely to be taking place in a medical institution of some kind. True Moz, and whilst I don't mind dumbing down from time to time, I draw the line at dribbling on the floor. They knew fine well what 'mellie' meant ...just used it as an excuse to dig the knife in again as usual, because they are lame ducks. And try not to let them convince you otherwise because even after mellie had clarified this, they still kept accusing her of being a murderer, and still are. Her explaining the situation made no difference to Mantra and co what so ever. They as usual, take fragments of peoples posts and run with it...like a dog with a ream of sausages. ..one after the other...and now Lisa doggy is struggling to keep up with the others who are clearly more agile. I'll chat to you more about this elsewhere Moz...  I don't have my flea-collar on, and this threads starting to make me itch.

Mellie made a statement, Mantra went over the top and Aussie called it accurately. Mellie made her usual delusional comments about Mods. And Mozz got stuck into Mantra.

What's your problem again?

locutius wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 4:32pm:

meshnet wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 3:11pm: mozzaok wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 3:00pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 2:43pm: Yes, I saw that.  What they clearly had not seen was what Mellie posted, as quoted by me above in this Thread.  As I said, Mantra recognised that as a shovel and called it a shovel.  Others then pretended that Mellie had not posted those words.  Pretty pointless and absurd really, as they are still there for all to see. A cautionary tale: "Poor dad had been suffering terrible heart lung disease for a very long time, and as both mum and I were registered nurses, and knew the odds, we decided that doing a heart lung transplant would be his best option, so that is what we decided to do." Now if you are a genius of the calibre of aussie, you know a shovel when you see one, and realise they mean they will forgo doctors and hospitals, and rip out his heart and lungs on the kitchen table, and whip in a new set, because they never mentioned hospitals or doctors. Of course we mere mortals who took it as understood, should be ashamed for not accusing them of being vampires, how could we have missed it?" I note that mellie could have made her original post more transparent for the duller knifes in the drawer, but even so, you would have to be seriously thick to miss the obvious inference that medical procedures are likely to be taking place in a medical institution of some kind. True Moz, and whilst I don't mind dumbing down from time to time, I draw the line at dribbling on the floor. They knew fine well what 'mellie' meant ...just used it as an excuse to dig the knife in again as usual, because they are lame ducks. And try not to let them convince you otherwise because even after mellie had clarified this, they still kept accusing her of being a murderer, and still are. Her explaining the situation made no difference to Mantra and co what so ever. They as usual, take fragments of peoples posts and run with it...like a dog with a ream of sausages. ..one after the other...and now Lisa doggy is struggling to keep up with the others who are clearly more agile. I'll chat to you more about this elsewhere Moz...  I don't have my flea-collar on, and this threads starting to make me itch. Mellie made a statement, Mantra went over the top and Aussie called it accurately. Mellie made her usual delusional comments about Mods. And Mozz got stuck into Mantra. What's your problem again?

Yeah odd isn't it????

If you reckon I called it accurately, so did Mantra.  She saw a shovel and she called it by that name, shovel.  From that moment, the back peddling began, and Mozzaok did get stuck into Mantra, incorrectly because at all times, that big elephant was sitting right beside him.  Mellie said what she said, it is clear what she described and what she was a willing party to.

And leave me out of some baggage about Mellie.  I've never had any dealings with her/him, but they clearly are a bit slippery.  Mellie announced a dramatic departure, and then reposted as meshnet.

She fooled Mozzaok on that score too.  Hence what really was an unnecessary post of his about meshnet possibly being a suspended/banned ex Member.

Have fun kiddies, but lets me tells ya, the villian is not Mantra, and there will be many around who will vouch for the fact that I hold no brief for her.

:)

Unbelievable, someone shares their intimate experience of having a relative die of cancer, and you call them murderers because they with the advice from their relatives palliative health care team (as has already been explained to you several times now) ...made the decision you cleary have never been faced with yourselves.

I wasn't going to say it, but I will,.... I'd hate to be your relative, as you sadistically hover over my every last painful breath, prolonging the inevitable because you were too thick/selfish to pick up on the subtle messages the medical staff were trying to offer your terminally ill relative.

I think the mistake you made Mantra and co, is that this is a situation many of us will or already have endured at some stage of our lives... who knows, perhaps those who defended mellie may have walked a mile in her shoes themselves?

This opposed to having lived their life behind a computer screen imagining what it may be like to actually be entrusted with the care of someone, a  beloved relative this and have to call the shots.

Clearly, some of you don't get out much, I'm guessing your relatives would have made plans for other more sane relatives to take care of things for them, so you don't have to...usually the way with mentally ill family members the saner ones don't wish to burden with their care.

Do you know what annoys me most?

I worry about others who could have done with some sincere advice in this thread, those currently in this predicament, this or not long have... , only for the thread to have been reduced to Mantras old war cries and pickled vendettas again.  Cant have a civilised discussion with uncivilised people, hence why people are leaving.

Ok, putting up with trolls is one thing, but sadistic malicious trolls is another thing again, I don't think anyone really benefits from engaging in discussions with these sorts of people, as it can be rather off-putting to say the least.  The discussion should have remained respectful, if not for mellies benefit, but for others who may have been facing something like this now as we speak, did any of you think about this?

Only a fool would have called the shovel a shovel in this way,(black and white thinker)...that or someone intentionally trying to cause trouble (Which is my guess)...because I can only think of one sincere individual who might be forgiven for thinking otherwise, an individual who is autistic, ...  this and takes things literately, lacks the ability to read between the lines, pick up on innuendo, social cues and gestures, verbal,written or otherwise.

If this is you Mantra or Aussey, my sincere apologies for your apparent lack of comprehension, understanding. .....but I really think most would have realised Mellie and her family made the decision under the careful guidance of the palliative care team, or did you sincerely think mellie and her mum  decided to dress-up in nurses masks and behave like Frankensteins brides out in their back shed or something?

Idiots!

This is Australia, not some 3rd world country we live in jeeze.

Evolve!!

meshnet wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 6:09pm:

Unbelievable, someone shares their intimate experience of having a relative die of cancer, and you call them murderers because they with the advice from their relatives palliative health care team (as has already been explained to you several times now) ...made the decision you cleary have never been faced with yourselves.

That MAY have been because that person has admitted to actually KILLING that relative...without, might I add, the consent of the relative....OR the nursing/health professionals

According to your post, YOU and your mother 'decided' to cut off the fluids and increase the morphine drip to 'lethal' levels....
There was no mention of your grandmother asking you to do so.....

THAT is murder....NOT  euthanasia, NOT a mercy killing...just straight out homocide....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 6:15pm:

meshnet wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 6:09pm: Unbelievable, someone shares their intimate experience of having a relative die of cancer, and you call them murderers because they with the advice from their relatives palliative health care team (as has already been explained to you several times now) ...made the decision you cleary have never been faced with yourselves. That MAY have been because that person has admitted to actually KILLING that relative...without, might I add, the consent of the relative....OR the nursing/health professionals According to your post, YOU and your mother 'decided' to cut off the fluids and increase the morphine drip to 'lethal' levels.... There was no mention of your grandmother asking you to do so..... THAT is murder....NOT  euthanasia, NOT a mercy killing...just straight out homocide....

You are a neurotic twit, who lacks basic comprehension, social and communication skills.

My sympathies.

meshnet wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 6:19pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 6:15pm: meshnet wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 6:09pm: Unbelievable, someone shares their intimate experience of having a relative die of cancer, and you call them murderers because they with the advice from their relatives palliative health care team (as has already been explained to you several times now) ...made the decision you cleary have never been faced with yourselves. That MAY have been because that person has admitted to actually KILLING that relative...without, might I add, the consent of the relative....OR the nursing/health professionals According to your post, YOU and your mother 'decided' to cut off the fluids and increase the morphine drip to 'lethal' levels.... There was no mention of your grandmother asking you to do so..... THAT is murder....NOT  euthanasia, NOT a mercy killing...just straight out homocide.... You are a neurotic twit, who lacks basic comprehension, social and communication skills. My sympathies.

At NO point in your post did you ever say that your grandmother ASKED you to 'help her die'......THAT is where the whole idea collapses....

You are probably the dumbest smart person I have ever come across gizmo, your statements are both offensive and stupid.

Anyone too bloody perverse to accept that these sorts of decisions are made daily, under the advice and care of medical staff whose primary concern is always the best interests of the patient, and if caring and concerned family is on hand, they do involve them in the decision making process.

I am truly ashamed at the lack of understanding and compassion shown by some members here, as they most certainly should know better than to make such base and disgusting assertions, based on one post that left it up to the common sense of the reader to understand that such actions would obviously take place in palliative care, by medical staff, and any who chose to read it differently would need to be seriously ignorant of what happens, in which case they should have asked, rather than make ugly stupid comments.

Alternately they are just lowlifes seeking to exploit a poorly worded comment to get some perverse satisfaction from making derogatory statements about others.

Perhaps if you had read the thread properly, you would have read where mellie had clarified that her grandmother had already discussed her wishes prior to her going into palliative care.

You are as thick as blazes, so there is no point engaging with you any further, because you are on a neurotic tangent, are clearly off in your own little world, a world of  'witch-hunt'... so there is simply no point interacting with you what so ever.

I will say it again sam, others here have endured very similar circumstances, so try and keep your own relentless 'mellie' vendettas out of these sorts of discussions, as you are incapable of discussing the subject maturely, objectively, thoughtfully.

As has been demonstrated.

meshnet wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 6:36pm:

Perhaps if you had read the thread properly, you would have read where mellie had clarified that her grandmother had already discussed her wishes prior to her going into palliative care. You are as thick as blazes, so there is no point engaging with you any further, because you are on a neurotic tangent, are clearly off in your own little world, a world of  'witch-hunt'... so there is simply no point interacting with you what so ever. I will say it again sam, others here have endured very similar circumstances, so try and keep your own relentless 'mellie' vendettas out of these sorts of discussions, as you are incapable of discussing the subject maturely, objectively, thoughtfully. As has been demonstrated.

This was to Gizmo btw.

meshnet wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 6:36pm:

Perhaps if you had read the thread properly, you would have read where mellie had clarified that her grandmother had already discussed her wishes prior to her going into palliative care. You are as thick as blazes, so there is no point engaging with you any further, because you are on a neurotic tangent, are clearly off in your own little world, a world of  'witch-hunt'... so there is simply no point interacting with you what so ever. I will say it again sam, others here have endured very similar circumstances, so try and keep your own relentless 'mellie' vendettas out of these sorts of discussions, as you are incapable of discussing the subject maturely, objectively, thoughtfully. As has been demonstrated.

where did that get said????

The whole post was:
"My grandmother died of pancreatic cancer, which spread to her stomach and bowel, and whilst pain relief was ample, the nausea she endured whilst vomiting on her own faeces (bowel was blocked with cancer)..was far from pleasant for her. At which point, we stopped fluids immediately (both my mother and I are RN's).., up'ed her  morphine which was essentially an overdose (to a level we both knew would result in respiratory arrest within minutes) and she suffered very little from the time it became apparent that we could no longer manage her nausea in a palliative setting.

I have no idea what sort of palliative care facility your mother was in, but after having experienced quite a few of them myself, as both a relative of patients and as a nurse, what you describe shouldn't have occurred...the level of morphine should have been high enough to send her off to sleep and into respiratory arrest.

Of course, we don't call it staff-assisted euthanasia, but this is how it's done. I'm sorry your mother suffered, I really am, (must have been absolutely awful for you all)  but really, this shouldn't have happened."

At what point did mellie(YOU) post that 'her'/your mother had asked for death????


Oh and I'm NOT 'sam'....

try forgiveness with grace

take these blessings and hold them dear

if you have the care

namaste

http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm

Tactical Trolls: This is where the troller takes the game more seriously, creates a credible persona to gain confidence of others, and provokes strife in a subtle and invidious way.

Mellie has a long history of doing this in various forums. The idea is to make some way-out-there, controversial statement, sit back and watch the fighting.

***deleted***

I removed my comment because this is starting to feel a bit like bullying.

Mozz, I think it's utterly pointless, these people have some serious mental health issues, are actually now beginning to invent imaginary scenarios to justify their own appalling behaviours.

Sickening, and tragic, but not our problem.

I will stay on deck, if only to give you and a few others here respite from these lunatics.

I'm in process of setting up a twitter account, ( A new one)...  yes, a few of the nuttters found my old one, and I will pm you the details after it's done.

Clearly, some topics are best discussed well away from people like this, for once they start, there's no stopping them without any regard at all for those genuine.

....And just when you think you've seen the worst in people (online)...they turn around and flash some other god awful side of themselves.

You know you're right, I know I'm right, and so do others, I have received quite a few supportive pm's, so rest assured, they are making fools of themselves, are not the majority they think they are on this particular topic.

::)

mozzaok wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 6:34pm:

You are probably the dumbest smart person I have ever come across gizmo, your statements are both offensive and stupid. Anyone too bloody perverse to accept that these sorts of decisions are made daily, under the advice and care of medical staff whose primary concern is always the best interests of the patient, and if caring and concerned family is on hand, they do involve them in the decision making process. I am truly ashamed at the lack of understanding and compassion shown by some members here, as they most certainly should know better than to make such base and disgusting assertions, based on one post that left it up to the common sense of the reader to understand that such actions would obviously take place in palliative care, by medical staff, and any who chose to read it differently would need to be seriously ignorant of what happens, in which case they should have asked, rather than make ugly stupid comments. Alternately they are just lowlifes seeking to exploit a poorly worded comment to get some perverse satisfaction from making derogatory statements about others.

Well I'm sorry Mozz...but I can ONLY judge peoples intentions by the statements they ACTUALLY make....

AND 'poorly worded' comments should either be apologised for, or defended....
Since Meshat/mellie is 'defending' the comment, instead of apologising for, or correcting it....the only assumption we can make is that the 'comment' is correct....

If it's badly worded or 'wrong'..she should admit it, and post a correction.....

You are the big bad wolf mellie. You shouldn't have admitted on the world wide web, to killing grannie if you can't take the criticism. I hope your other rellies are up to speed about this incident.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 6:44pm:

http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm Tactical Trolls: This is where the troller takes the game more seriously, creates a credible persona to gain confidence of others, and provokes strife in a subtle and invidious way. Mellie has a long history of doing this in various forums. The idea is to make some way-out-there, controversial statement, sit back and watch the fighting.

You know pansi, the fact that you know of these sites disturbs me, is this what you do when not attempting to mentally harm others online all day, is this like a recreational sport for you or something?

If so, it might explain the apparent lack of 'day-job'

Dont give it up will you, or else Mantra will be devastated.

Sick pig.

____________________

Moz, these are the same psychos who trolled for sport on Yahoo, I'm almost 100% certain of it.

The best thing to do is just delete this entire thread, we know what we're on about, no point feeding them, as I think they are getting off on it.

Cheers,

Will let you know when the twitters up and running, shall set it up tomorrow.

:)

meshnet wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 6:58pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 6:44pm: http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm Tactical Trolls: This is where the troller takes the game more seriously, creates a credible persona to gain confidence of others, and provokes strife in a subtle and invidious way. Mellie has a long history of doing this in various forums. The idea is to make some way-out-there, controversial statement, sit back and watch the fighting. You know pansi, the fact that you know of these sites disturbs me, is this what you do when not attempting to mentally harm others online all day, is this like a recreational sport for you or something? If so, my explain the apparent lack of 'day-job' Dont give it up will you, Mantra will be devastated. Sick pig.

What 'GAME' do you mean???

If your grandmother ASKED you for assistance to end her life.....JUST say so....

It will settle this arguement really fast...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 6:55pm:

mozzaok wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 6:34pm: You are probably the dumbest smart person I have ever come across gizmo, your statements are both offensive and stupid. Anyone too bloody perverse to accept that these sorts of decisions are made daily, under the advice and care of medical staff whose primary concern is always the best interests of the patient, and if caring and concerned family is on hand, they do involve them in the decision making process. I am truly ashamed at the lack of understanding and compassion shown by some members here, as they most certainly should know better than to make such base and disgusting assertions, based on one post that left it up to the common sense of the reader to understand that such actions would obviously take place in palliative care, by medical staff, and any who chose to read it differently would need to be seriously ignorant of what happens, in which case they should have asked, rather than make ugly stupid comments. Alternately they are just lowlifes seeking to exploit a poorly worded comment to get some perverse satisfaction from making derogatory statements about others. Well I'm sorry Mozz...but I can ONLY judge peoples intentions by the statements they ACTUALLY make.... AND 'poorly worded' comments should either be apologised for, or defended.... Since Meshat/mellie is 'defending' the comment, instead of apologising for, or correcting it....the only assumption we can make is that the 'comment' is correct.... If it's badly worded or 'wrong'..she should admit it, and post a correction.....

So are you really asserting that from reading the thread, and her comments, you concluded that mellie and her mother stole morphine from somewhere, then colluded to illegally euthanise her grandmother at home, without any medical staff present, and then publicly convey that story to someone that had just related their sad tale of having to watch a loved one die a slow painful death in palliative care?

While mellie could have worded her original post better, anyone drawing the conclusion that she admitted to illegally euthanising someone at home has serious issues with their comprehension, especially considering it was a direct response to what someone else was conveying about the final stage of professional palliative care.

meshnet wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 6:58pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 6:44pm: http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm Tactical Trolls: This is where the troller takes the game more seriously, creates a credible persona to gain confidence of others, and provokes strife in a subtle and invidious way. Mellie has a long history of doing this in various forums. The idea is to make some way-out-there, controversial statement, sit back and watch the fighting. You know pansi, the fact that you know of these sites disturbs me, is this what you do when not attempting to mentally harm others online all day, is this like a recreational sport for you or something? If so, it might explain the apparent lack of 'day-job' Dont give it up will you, or else Mantra will be devastated. Sick pig. ____________________ Moz, these are the same psychos who trolled for sport on Yahoo, I'm almost 100% certain of it. The best thing to do is just delete this entire thread, we know what we're on about, no point feeding them, as I think they are getting off on it. Cheers, Will let you know when the twitters up and running, shall set it up tomorrow. :)

This is the link to one of mellie's very own forums. Just an example of her game. I told you she was trouble with a capital T.

http://help.forumotion.com/other-problems-f46/troll-admin-t63942.htm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 7:03pm:

If your grandmother ASKED you for assistance to end her life.....JUST say so.... It will settle this arguement really fast...

You are too smart for me guvnor, you tricked me fair and square, I dun it wiv the candlestick in the parlour.

Seriously tacky gizmo.

JESUS CHRIST! I'VE BEEN OUT ALL AFTERNOON AND EARLY EVENING .. AND I'VE COME BACK TO SEE THIS BULLS HIT STILL GOING ON.

WHERE ARE THE FRIGGING MODS WHEN YOU NEED THEM ???

Moz, my grandmother passed away in a palliative care hospital wing, one of the very best there is, there was soft music playing, she was surrounded by her children and grandchildren, who all under the advice of her palliative care team advised to stop fluids and increase morphine, to make her comfortable. We were advised that this would likely result in death, (mum and I knew this already,  being in the profession at the time)...mum more so as she is still in the profession, if indirectly, and this is a very regular and normal procedure, and yes, nan did ask us not to keep her alive if she was either unable to make the decision herself or was suffering, this and requested that she be let go so as to maintain as much dignity as possible.

We honoured her wishes respectfully, right down to the last second of her life.

We have no regrets, we know we made the right decision.

And no amount of narcissistic trolls will ever convince me otherwise.

:)

I guess, because mum and I were closest to her, this and being nurses, the rest of the family allowed us to give the go-ahead, but it was made very clear our immediate family, all of which were present right to the very end what increasing the morphine would do ...this and stopping fluids also.

Mellie .. you do realise you just posted as yourself about yourself under the Meshnet id.

Umm unfortunately .. you've been posting under the Meshnet id ABOUT Mellie all afternoon and early evening.

Time to let this go. It's stupid now .. it's gone beyond stupid actually.

And it's sad.

Kind regards

Lisa

Lisa, if you cant contribute to the discussion thoughtfully, this and don't really have  anything meaningful to add to the debate, then perhaps this isn't the topic for you?

It's clear who the loons are here, you have made absolute fools of yourselves, again.

Only this time you all got caught red handed.


And re- my other handle, oh wow, big discovery there Lisa, hers an honorary subscription for the New Scientist among us,   dope.. ::)


Have another sausage, Lisa.

Thankyou mellie, mind you, it would have been a lot quieter around here if you had worded it that way from the start, lol.

Mind you, I inferred that to be the case from your original post, and I guess I just give some people too much credit in believing that only a total cretin would not have.

Mind you there are people who are more than happy to just jump in and stir the pot, like aussie, he only turns up if he thinks there is  chance for him to throw a few kicks in my direction, and is still moaning about the fact that I was asked to help out with modding.
Admittedly it was only a year or two ago, so I guess it is still too fresh for him to get over. ;D

Mind you everyone hates the mod unless they believe they are on their side, and some people are bloody slow to work out I only have one side, and that is what I believe to be fair, and if the roles had been reversed, and mantra had been misinterpreted, and vilified, I would have condemned that in exactly the same way.

I am not pro legalised euthanasia, not because I do not believe people do not have the right to die with dignity, but because I foresee too much potential for questionable choices to be made, and I have witnessed the compassionate way that palliative staff care for their patients, and think they already do a fantastic job.

JESUS CHRIST MELLIE .. YOU'RE MAKING AN EVEN BIGGER FREAKING FOOL OF YOURSELF NOW.

TAKE A FREAKING BREAK WOMAN.

LOGGING OFF AS MESHNET AND LOGGING ON AS MELLIE HASNT HELPED YOU A SINGLE BIT TODAY.

IF ANYTHING IT'S MADE YOU LOOK LIKE A DESPERATE AND UNWELL WOMAN.

GRRRR .. HAVE YOU COOKED DINNER FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR KIDS YET?

OR IS THIS STUPID TOPIC MORE IMPT ???

LISA

mellie, who is meshnet? your very close friend I presume.

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JESUS CHRIST MELLIE .. YOU'RE MAKING AN EVEN BIGGER FREAKING FOOL OF YOURSELF NOW. TAKE A FREAKING BREAK WOMAN. LOGGING OFF AS MESHNET AND LOGGING ON AS MELLIE HASNT HELPED YOU A SINGLE BIT TODAY. IF ANYTHING IT'S MADE YOU LOOK LIKE A DESPERATE AND UNWELL WOMAN. GRRRR .. HAVE YOU COOKED DINNER FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR KIDS YET? OR IS THIS STUPID TOPIC MORE IMPT ??? LISA

You are completely out of line.

And re- my other handle, oh wow, big discovery there Lisa ...

- Mellie finally fessing she was Meshnet .. sighs

Gawd woman ... all afternoon and evening pretending to be someone else and talking about yourself???

For goodness sake ...all for what??

What about looking after and feeding your family?

Kind (and frustrated) regards

Lisa

mozzaok wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 7:36pm:

Thankyou mellie, mind you, it would have been a lot quieter around here if you had worded it that way from the start, lol. Mind you, I inferred that to be the case from your original post, and I guess I just give some people too much credit in believing that only a total cretin would not have. Mind you there are people who are more than happy to just jump in and stir the pot, like aussie, he only turns up if he thinks there is  chance for him to throw a few kicks in my direction, and is still moaning about the fact that I was asked to help out with modding. Admittedly it was only a year or two ago, so I guess it is still too fresh for him to get over. ;D Mind you everyone hates the mod unless they believe they are on their side, and some people are bloody slow to work out I only have one side, and that is what I believe to be fair, and if the roles had been reversed, and mantra had been misinterpreted, and vilified, I would have condemned that in exactly the same way. I am not pro legalised euthanasia, not because I do not believe people do not have the right to die with dignity, but because I foresee too much potential for questionable choices to be made, and I have witnessed the compassionate way that palliative staff care for their patients, and think they already do a fantastic job.

Thank you moz, my sentiments exactly.

I shall come back in the morning, have to go and work on my daughters costume tonight...  (even though I cant sew for peanuts)...  I guess it's a very personal thing, I guess I just would have liked to have seen some thoughtful discussion on the topic (I did not start myself)....  but you know how it goes, when their snapping, they will snap at anything. Moz, you and quite a few others are worthwhile posters, you proved me wrong on the biased thingy....  I owe you an apology.

If our experience of palliative health care has helped some out there, then hey, this is a good thing, would have been worth it.

Cheers

:)

Thank heavens .. she's finally remembered she has kids .. sighs!

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 7:45pm:

Thank heavens .. she's finally remembered she has kids .. sighs!

Heaven forbid that she actually takes time for herself.

This whole topic is so sad and out of line.

And for you ex Yahooligans .. how many times have we seen this Mellie driven BS on Yahoo??

I know it got tiresome after 5 yrs.

In all honestly I feel for both Mellie and her kids.

My last comment on here .. Mellie can be so lovely (when she takes her medication) and  I'm glad and relieved to see she feels a tad better now.

Kind regards to you all.

Lisa

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So are you really asserting that from reading the thread, and her comments, you concluded that mellie and her mother stole morphine from somewhere, then colluded to illegally euthanise her grandmother at home, without any medical staff present, and then publicly convey that story to someone that had just related their sad tale of having to watch a loved one die a slow painful death in palliative care?

More strawman stuff Mozzaok.  No one said any of that.  You are making all that up.


She made it quite clear:


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At which point, we stopped fluids immediately (both my mother and I are RN's).., up'ed her  morphine which was essentially an overdose (to a level we both knew would result in respiratory arrest within minutes)..

There is an elephant right beside you Mozzaok.  Look.

mozzaok wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 7:10pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 6:55pm: mozzaok wrote on Sep 15th, 2010 at 6:34pm: You are probably the dumbest smart person I have ever come across gizmo, your statements are both offensive and stupid. Anyone too bloody perverse to accept that these sorts of decisions are made daily, under the advice and care of medical staff whose primary concern is always the best interests of the patient, and if caring and concerned family is on hand, they do involve them in the decision making process. I am truly ashamed at the lack of understanding and compassion shown by some members here, as they most certainly should know better than to make such base and disgusting assertions, based on one post that left it up to the common sense of the reader to understand that such actions would obviously take place in palliative care, by medical staff, and any who chose to read it differently would need to be seriously ignorant of what happens, in which case they should have asked, rather than make ugly stupid comments. Alternately they are just lowlifes seeking to exploit a poorly worded comment to get some perverse satisfaction from making derogatory statements about others. Well I'm sorry Mozz...but I can ONLY judge peoples intentions by the statements they ACTUALLY make.... AND 'poorly worded' comments should either be apologised for, or defended.... Since Meshat/mellie is 'defending' the comment, instead of apologising for, or correcting it....the only assumption we can make is that the 'comment' is correct.... If it's badly worded or 'wrong'..she should admit it, and post a correction..... So are you really asserting that from reading the thread, and her comments, you concluded that mellie and her mother stole morphine from somewhere, then colluded to illegally euthanise her grandmother at home, without any medical staff present, and then publicly convey that story to someone that had just related their sad tale of having to watch a loved one die a slow painful death in palliative care? While mellie could have worded her original post better, anyone drawing the conclusion that she admitted to illegally euthanising someone at home has serious issues with their comprehension, especially considering it was a direct response to what someone else was conveying about the final stage of professional palliative care.

"So are you really asserting that from reading the thread, and her comments, you concluded that mellie and her mother stole morphine from somewhere, then colluded to illegally euthanise her grandmother at home, without any medical staff present, and then publicly convey that story to someone that had just related their sad tale of having to watch a loved one die a slow painful death in palliative care?"

Oh come on Mozz.....are you really so naive as to NOT realise that a terminal patient in a palliative care ward ISN'T hooked up to a preset morphine or pethadine drip???
And that anyone with the same training as an RN wouldn't know how to reset the drip machine in order to 'up' the dosage????

I never stated that any thing that mellie claimed took place outside of the hospital room...but then, neither did mellie.....

At which point, we stopped fluids immediately (both my mother and I are RN's).., up'ed her  morphine which was essentially an overdose (to a level we both knew would result in respiratory arrest within minutes)..

- Mellie

Umm except that Mellie isn't an RN. She has attempted a nursing (RN) qualification a few times but has failed.

In any event .. I wouldn't believe the above a/c as posted by Mellie. It's just more MOS <-- Mellie Online Static.

Thanks for posting it though .. I can now understand why people on here would have been shocked by what Mellie stated.

Just thank God that it is nothing more than an online made up rant by her.

And ignore it ( easier said than done I know ).

Hey all .. good night :)

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Umm except that Mellie isn't an RN. She has attempted a nursing (RN) qualification a few times but has failed. In any event .. I wouldn't believe the above a/c as posted by Mellie. It's just more MOS <-- Mellie Online Static. Thanks for posting it though .. I can now understand why people on here would have been shocked by what Mellie stated. Just thank God that it is nothing more than an online made up rant by her.

Hmmm.

What say ye Mozzoak in the context of having made Mantra out as the bad guy here.   Mellie, now admitted to be meshnet, when not so long ago, you suggested to us that meshnet was a banned Member?

Do you want me to post the proof?







I have decided I should post the proof.  Here it is.  This by Mozzaok, a Mod, who knows through IP access who is who........and he is referring to meshnet, who is now established to be Mellie:


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Should we assume that you may be a troll already banned, coming back for another attempt for the title of pest of the year?

And now, he is cuddling up to Mellie who is unrestrained in her devotion to Mozzaok!

Hmmmm.

8-)


Oh, and just a tad more.

Mellie posted:


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Mantra, when ever have I regressed to using more than one handle,

Lolz.

And I reckon that meshnet was not the only handle used by Mellie on that Authenasia Thread.

Look, Mozzaok, there is an elephant right there, beside you.

;)

It's probably good just as a precuationary measure in a situation like this to give the member the benefit of the doubt, but with Mellie I have a strong suspicion.. well, I'll say no more.

aikmann4 wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 11:00pm:

It's probably good just as a precuationary measure in a situation like this to give the member the benefit of the doubt, but with Mellie I have a strong suspicion.. well, I'll say no more.

Nice of you to do that....give them the benefit of doubt.....and a nano-second later with 'well, I'll say no more' ...... remove it.

Is that fence paling comfortable?

;)

I said in a situation like this it would be appropriate, but I made a particular exception with Mellie; I just concluded that it isn't worth stating why I think it is worth making.

Aw damn, I had to go to work and miss all this!

Hey, Mozzaok - how come you 'deleted' my post?
I thought it was quite thought provoking to be honest.
I even impressed myself with my 'fictional writing' attempt.
Anyway, it was probably just as well. Can't have ex-male Nurses running around in Australia showing why people should be grateful for the female nurses they get instead.

I'm glad this situation was allowed by the Mods to 'run its course', after the initial accusations by Mantra, things have just sizzled but not flamed outta control (oh, except possibly my deleted post).

...I must ask though: Why was the original Thread 'euthanised' ...er, I mean 'Locked' ? :-?

<enter Twilight Zone music>

I had never regressed to using more than one handle until yesterday, just to prove a point to the moderator how you lot will even target and harass anyone who defends me, my god you lot even attacked the moderator for having dared to agree with me.

You are  a pack of no-hopers, this and are probably very miserable people also, why else would you make a career out of annoying the sh1t out of perfect strangers online, so like I said, your vendettas say more about yourselves than anyone you vilify on these boards, this and always have.

I know what and who I am, and think this is what bugs a few of you here most, because you have made up fanciful stories about who and what you claim to be, whereas I have always just been myself.

Calling people murderers, accusing them of lying about their ex-professions, this and even going so far as to make stories up about who they are, all of which smacks of desperateness, when clearly your argument has dissolved.

Seriously, you need to get lives, and not the imaginary lives you create for yourselves here online.

I realise you are not right, are unwell, but this is not an excuse for behaving like online terrorists.

Do you have any idea how stupid you look?

This or how others who read what you say think you are completely off the wall?

Apparently not.

:)...  Not my problem, sort it out between yourselves.

My god, even when Yahoo created a forum titled "Under the bridge"...you guys still didn't get it, what lives under bridges guys?

Trolls,.... this was why they moved your "coffee lounge" to beneath the "under the bridge" forum, and you thick heads still didn't quite get it.

It wasn't until they removed the boards all together that you lot finally realised what the mods truly thought of you, and that what I said would eventually occur, did.

Is this what you lot do all day, just troll forums to irritate others and bring meaning to your lives?

How sad... :-/

But again, not my problem... you have brought it on yourselves.

I think a few of you blame me for the mods having taken away your yahoo forum, irrespective of the fact that I had left well before the site crashed and burned...about  6 months or so before hand, when I set out to create my own forum because like here, you are making the place downright unfriendly and antisocial.

It doesn't matter what site you cretins post on, it will always end up the same with your malignant personalities.i

Aussie wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 5:21pm:

If you reckon I called it accurately, so did Mantra.  She saw a shovel and she called it by that name, shovel.  From that moment, the back peddling began, and Mozzaok did get stuck into Mantra, incorrectly because at all times, that big elephant was sitting right beside him.  Mellie said what she said, it is clear what she described and what she was a willing party to. And leave me out of some baggage about Mellie.  I've never had any dealings with her/him, but they clearly are a bit slippery.  Mellie announced a dramatic departure, and then reposted as meshnet. She fooled Mozzaok on that score too.  Hence what really was an unnecessary post of his about meshnet possibly being a suspended/banned ex Member. Have fun kiddies, but lets me tells ya, the villian is not Mantra, and there will be many around who will vouch for the fact that I hold no brief for her. :)

How did I include you on any baggage about Mellie? I said you called it accurately, period.

mellie wrote on Sep 16^th, 2010 at 7:38am:

I had never regressed to using more than one handle until yesterday, just to prove a point to the moderator how you lot will even target and harass anyone who defends me, my god you lot even attacked the moderator for having dared to agree with me. You are  a pack of no-hopers, this and are probably very miserable people also, why else would you make a career out of annoying the sh1t out of perfect strangers online, so like I said, your vendettas say more about yourselves than anyone you vilify on these boards, this and always have. I know what and who I am, and think this is what bugs a few of you here most, because you have made up fanciful stories about who and what you claim to be, whereas I have always just been myself. Calling people murderers, accusing them of lying about their ex-professions, this and even going so far as to make stories up about who they are, all of which smacks of desperateness, when clearly your argument has dissolved. Seriously, you need to get lives, and not the imaginary lives you create for yourselves here online. I realise you are not right, are unwell, but this is not an excuse for behaving like online terrorists. Do you have any idea how stupid you look? This or how others who read what you say think you are completely off the wall? Apparently not. :)...  Not my problem, sort it out between yourselves. My god, even when Yahoo created a forum titled "Under the bridge"...you guys still didn't get it, what lives under bridges guys? Trolls,.... this was why they moved your "coffee lounge" to beneath the "under the bridge" forum, and you thick heads still didn't quite get it. It wasn't until they removed the boards all together that you lot finally realised what the mods truly thought of you, and that what I said would eventually occur, did. Is this what you lot do all day, just troll forums to irritate others and bring meaning to your lives? How sad... :-/ But again, not my problem... you have brought it on yourselves. I think a few of you blame me for the mods having taken away your yahoo forum, irrespective of the fact that I had left well before the site crashed and burned...about  6 months or so before hand, when I set out to create my own forum because like here, you are making the place downright unfriendly and antisocial. It doesn't matter what site you cretins post on, it will always end up the same with your malignant personalities.

I'll give you a hint, that didn't prove anything other than the fact that people with opposing view points attack each other. I also left the 2nd ID up this long simply because it shows, like bad or rude posts, the sort of character that a poster is.

Meshnet is now banned so please do not start anymore. I will be on the look out for others.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 15^th, 2010 at 7:18pm:

JESUS CHRIST! I'VE BEEN OUT ALL AFTERNOON AND EARLY EVENING .. AND I'VE COME BACK TO SEE THIS BULLS HIT STILL GOING ON. WHERE ARE THE FRIGGING MODS WHEN YOU NEED THEM ???

Having a life. You?

I must dissagree with you Mellie upon the factor of TROLLS.

Trolls have a purpose on Forums.
Sure Trolls live under Bridges, but they also contend with a lot of 'Old Billy Goat Gruffs that don't pay the Tolls like everyone else.
George Piggins was a good example of a Billy Goat Gruff and he practically killed the club with his 'Glory Days of Old' - thankfully Souths Juniors kept the Club kicking a bit until Crowe and Co saved the day.
I got banned from DiveOz for being a Troll, because again - I would come up against some old Billy Goats Gruff of the 'good old days'. I put up a good fight but ...now they wonder why DiveOz has 'fizzled' out into boredom and even the Recreational Dive Industry, especially in NSW, is struggling (7 Dive Shops have closed up). Only last month, a few people upon DiveOz wished I was back to 'liven' things up a bit.
Got Banned and even had to make a Public Apology for being a Troll upon the Sharks League Forum, because again, came up against Old Billy Goats Gruff: I said Cronulla would be best to EXPAND OR RELOCATE to Adelaide for survival. Such 'progressive' thinking was just too much for some. In the end I nailed it becasue the NRL was 'secretly planning to move the Sharks to Adelaide as the Great White Sharks the past 3 years' , but due to all the 'insults' aimed at Adelaidians via the Forum, Adelaide Chiefs spoke up about the behaviour and shenanigans of the Sharks Club and were looking for some better Club, possibly Canterbury. In the end, it looks like Sharks will be forced to Relocate for want of expansion to Wellington or Christchurch (as I saw Ricky Stuart at Christchurch airport). You would think they would learn from what got them in trouble in the first place when they went to NZ. ::)

Trolls have a purpose, though they can be annoying as what a spark from a spark-plug can be.

If you dissagree, then maybe you are right - maybe the Troll is not apt, and another 'description' is needed to descibe something 'akin' to a Troll, but ...

Note: There are 8 different cultural Regions/Races of the World - so there can be 8 right answers to a problem. ;)

It is nice to see everyone has settled down.

The main problem here was people believing that they can apply their interpretation of what somebody says to make the extremely outrageous accusation of calling someone a murderer.
In anyone's book that should be considered as a very extreme position to take, and not something that one should do lightly.
If they had issues about the circumstances they could have, and should have asked for further qualification of the statement, rather than just jumping in with pretty distasteful, and unfounded accusations.

Some people do think of euthanasia as murder, but most people take a more moderate approach to the subject, and recognise that circumstances vary and cases need to be judged on their merits.

Interesting thread, can anyone join , I want to talk about the death of love.

Sure anyone can join, so, Welcome Bundy4me.

If it is appropriate to this thread, just add what you want, or you can start a new thread, specific to what you want to discuss.

Thank you mozzoak, you are the moderator here , am I correct?

Looks like a great little forum , friendly welcome is always  a great start.

I am one of three, FD started the forum, and it is his baby, and he set the tone that he wanted for the place, as free as it is possible to be, but still with a bit of decency and decorum.
Locutious, and I just help out with modding.

Oh great. Now that I know its FreeDiver's Forum - I have to agree with everything he says.
"yes master...yes master" ;D