A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.

- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (German Playwright, Poet, Novelist and Dramatist. 1749-1832)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVbkz_3lO3c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0FDrGYEDl4

The music, lyrics and visuals are so breathtakingly beautiful ...

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science.

- Albert Einstein

Oh .. this is just so beautiful ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UgPeBjHIjE

Possession

Listen as the wind blows
from across the great divide,
Voices trapped in yearning,
memories trapped in time,
The night is my companion
and solitude my guide,
Would I spend forever here
and not be satisfied,

And I would be the one
to hold you down,
kiss you so hard,
I'll take your breath away
and after I'd wipe away the tears,
Just close your eyes dear

Through this world I've stumbled
so many times betrayed,
Trying to find an honest word,
to find the truth enslaved,
Oh you speak to me in riddles and
you speak to me in rhymes
My body aches to breathe your breath,
your words keep me alive,

And I would be the one
to hold you down,
kiss you so hard,
I'll take your breath away
and after I'd wipe away the tears,
Just close your eyes dear

Into this night I wander,
it's morning that I dread,
Another day of knowing of
the path I fear to tread,
Oh into the sea of waking dreams
I follow without pride,
Nothing stands between us here
and I won't be denied,

And I would be the one
to hold you down,
kiss you so hard,
I'll take your breath away
and after I'd wipe away the tears,
Just close your eyes dear...

Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable ... if anything is excellent or praiseworthy ... think about such things.

- Holy Bible ( Philippians 4:8 )

For those of us who put their faith in the fair and beautiful even before their better judgment of the rational and the true, risk recognising truth only as being what beautiful people tell them is true.

But there are worse fates... Like confusing cynicism with truth.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 12^th, 2010 at 7:10am:

For those of us who put their faith in the fair and beautiful even before their better judgment of the rational and the true, risk recognising truth only as being what beautiful people tell them is true. But there are worse fates... Like confusing cynicism with truth.

Hello Helian .. thank you for posting in here (it was getting somewhat lonesome lol).

My response to you is as follows: It's not so much a matter of putting one's faith in what is fair and beautiful .. more a matter of appreciating and enjoying the beautiful things around us given the fact that we're not here for long.

Well that was the intention underpinning this topic in any event ..

Again many thanks for posting lol .. it would be nice if more could :)

Ohhh ...

fair
beautiful
rational
true

.. hmmm such interesting, subjective and arbitrary constructs these days Helian.

It's ok .. I was just being cynical :P

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12^th, 2010 at 2:23pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 12th, 2010 at 7:10am: For those of us who put their faith in the fair and beautiful even before their better judgment of the rational and the true, risk recognising truth only as being what beautiful people tell them is true. But there are worse fates... Like confusing cynicism with truth. Hello Helian .. thank you for posting in here (it was getting somewhat lonesome lol). My response to you is as follows: It's not so much a matter of putting one's faith in what is fair and beautiful .. more a matter of appreciating and enjoying the beautiful things around us given the fact that we're not here for long. Well that was the intention underpinning this topic in any event .. Again many thanks for posting lol .. it would be nice if more could :)

Yeah, understood. It's easy to love the beautiful... And almost as easy to pretend the beautiful is necessarily true.

It's easy to love the beautiful... And almost as easy to pretend the beautiful is necessarily true.

- Helian


Ahh but beauty is in the eye of the beholder .. so it's all relative my dear friend.

Aesthetic Relativism

Aesthetic relativism is the philosophical view that the judgement of beauty is relative  to individuals, cultures, time periods and contexts, and that there are no universal criteria of beauty. For example, statuettes like the Venus of Willendorf or the women in the paintings of Rubens  would have been considered ideal forms of beauty when painted, but today may be regarded as fat, while contemporary standards of beauty (such as those that feature on the covers of contemporary fashion magazines) may have been considered less than ideal in Rubens's time.

Aesthetic relativism is a variety of the philosophy known generally as relativism, which casts doubt on the possibility of direct epistemic access to the "external world", and which therefore reject the positive claim that statements made about the external world can be known to be objectively true. Other varieties of relativism include cognitive relativism (the general claim that all truth and knowledge is relative) and Ethical Relativism (the claim that moral judgments are relative). Aesthetic and Ethical relativism are sub-categories of Cognitive Relativism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesthetic_relativism

hey lisa  :) its good to see you around here again

Hello Stryder .. it's very nice to see you also :)

If - a poem by Rudyard Kipling

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream and not make dreams your master;
If you can think and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same:
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build'em up with worn-out tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
And never breathe a word about your loss:
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings---nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12^th, 2010 at 10:30pm:

It's easy to love the beautiful... And almost as easy to pretend the beautiful is necessarily true. - Helian Ahh but beauty is in the eye of the beholder .. so it's all relative my dear friend.

Ah, relativism! Spawning the likes of "Progressives against Progress" and the pomo generator!


Quote:

1. Expressions of meaninglessness “Society is part of the absurdity of consciousness,” says Derrida. Therefore, in Virtual Light, Gibson examines dialectic precapitalist theory; in Pattern Recognition he affirms Lacanist obscurity. The characteristic theme of the works of Gibson is the common ground between art and sexual identity. However, Cameron[1] holds that we have to choose between postcapitalist appropriation and Sontagist camp. An abundance of theories concerning a self-sufficient whole exist. It could be said that if dialectic precapitalist theory holds, the works of Fellini are empowering. Lyotard uses the term ‘Lacanist obscurity’ to denote the role of the writer as poet. However, the subject is interpolated into a structural materialism that includes sexuality as a reality.

"The man who tells you truth does not exist is asking you not to believe him. So don't" Roger Scruton

We're descending into the worship of idiocy.

We're descending into the worship of idiocy.

- Helian

Only if we choose to Helian. There is no obligation to take up the offer.

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2010 at 11:48am:

We're descending into the worship of idiocy. - Helian Only if we choose to Helian. There is no obligation to take up the offer.

True to a point....

The beautiful is subverted to seduce the masses into believing that outright lies are examples of "relative" truth.

The beautiful is subverted to seduce the masses into believing that outright lies are examples of "relative" truth.

- Helian

Unfortunately, everything in this life is vulnerable to subversion and abuse.

That is why the Holy Bible states and I quote:



Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

- 1 Thessalonians 5:21


Do not forsake Wisdom, and she will protect you;
love her, and she will watch over you.

- Proverbs 4:6

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13^th, 2010 at 2:24pm:

The beautiful is subverted to seduce the masses into believing that outright lies are examples of "relative" truth. - Helian Unfortunately, everything in this life is vulnerable to subversion and abuse. That is why the Holy Bible states and I quote:

And you mean that absolutely.  ;)

Hence the flaw in relativism.

BTW Christianity and Biblical text are founded on the belief in absolute truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owTmJrtD7g8

We picture love as heart-shaped because we do not know the shape of the soul.  

~Robert Brault

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 13^th, 2010 at 3:20pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 13th, 2010 at 2:24pm: The beautiful is subverted to seduce the masses into believing that outright lies are examples of "relative" truth. - Helian Unfortunately, everything in this life is vulnerable to subversion and abuse. That is why the Holy Bible states and I quote: And you mean that absolutely.  ;) Hence the flaw in relativism. BTW Christianity and Biblical text are founded on the belief in absolute truth.

Actually Helian, I stated this:

Unfortunately, everything in this life is vulnerable to subversion and abuse.

That is why the Holy Bible states and I quote:

Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

- 1 Thessalonians 5:21


Do not forsake Wisdom, and she will protect you;
love her, and she will watch over you.

- Proverbs 4:6  

Helian .. the Bible offers wisdom and advice to those who choose to take it. No one is under compulsion/obligation to accept the offer.

The points you are raising are beyond the parameters of this topic.

Perhaps you ought to initiate a topic on relativism vs absolutism? It's only a suggestion of course :)

Sense of the beautiful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCuzDVmH7lw

That was ABSOLUTELY lol breathtaking Muso!

I'm listening to it again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1PakYR1stU&feature=related

"Stand Inside Your Love"

You and me
Meant to be
Immutable
Impossible
It's destiny
Pure lunacy
Incalculable
Insufferable
But for the last time
You're everything that I want and ask for
You're all that I'd dreamed
Who wouldn't be the one you love
Who wouldn't stand inside your love
Protected and the lover of
A pure soul and beautiful you
Don't understand
Don't feel me now
I will breathe
For the both of us
Travel the world
Traverse the skies
Your home is here
Within my heart
And for the first time
I feel as though I am reborn
In my mind
Recast as child and mystic sage
Who wouldn't be the one you love
Who wouldn't stand inside your love
And for the first time
I'm telling you how much I need and bleed for
Your every move and waking sound
In my time
I'll wrap my wire around your heart and your mind
You're mine forever now
Who wouldn't be the one you love and live for
Who wouldn't stand inside your love and die for
Who wouldn't be the one you love

Saw this posted in the Death topic ..

On Children - Kahlil Gibran

Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.

You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them,
but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.

You are the bows from which your children
as living arrows are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite,
and He bends you with His might
that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as He loves the arrow that flies,
so He loves also the bow that is stable.

Yes, and it's very true.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 1:37pm:

Saw this posted in the Death topic .. On Children - Kahlil Gibran Your children are not your children. They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself. They come through you but not from you, And though they are with you yet they belong not to you. You may give them your love but not your thoughts, For they have their own thoughts. You may house their bodies but not their souls, For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams. You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you. For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday. You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth. The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, and He bends you with His might that His arrows may go swift and far. Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness; For even as He loves the arrow that flies, so He loves also the bow that is stable.

I've seen that one before and I agreed with it wholeheartedly.
It makes even more sense to me now. Thanks for posting that one.

I like the errant shot, it's always a thing of beauty  :)

There's no nicer feeling than feeling like a sling shot.

Schopenhauer's belief of the beautiful, not 'sense', as that insinuates the use of the senses, hence phenomenal interaction, is when when we enter pure contemplation devoid of all willing; it is to become a timeless, will-less subject that mirrors the Platonic object/Ideas. Hence, the subject becomes the object; it sees things as they are in-themselves.

This sounds nice, but it makes the logical fallacy that you can rip yourself outside of time, space, and causality, that is, to severe the chain of cause and effect. It is also predicated on the belief that Platonic Ideas do actually exist.
Schopenhauer, like all mystics in this domain, come to their conclusions through experience, not intuition. That is, he had to read about it and then experience it. The intuition part is only added after the methodology runs its course.
It also presumes that this mindset (timeless, will-less subject) is actually seeing things as they are in-themselves. How does he know this? Because Plato and Kant told him so? Could he not be experiencing something else?
Another blow for the fans of the mind/body split.
What's so good about wanting to depart from the chain of cause and effect anyway? Does life suck so much that you want to escape it? Could this Buddhist style meditation really just be for the weary, those who dislike the world?

Could not the world with all its anger, frustration, alienation, along with love and compassion be beautiful?
Can you affirm the eternal recurrence of all things?

If you can give away all of the mumbo jumbo, then how 'bout accepting that the parent should just release their offspring to be what they may be?

It's a very selfish exploit for a parent to have lived their freedom and then to expect their children to give up theirs so that they have a shoulder to lean on.

I think you're in the wrong thread, mate.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 13^th, 2010 at 7:49am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2010 at 10:30pm: It's easy to love the beautiful... And almost as easy to pretend the beautiful is necessarily true. - Helian Ahh but beauty is in the eye of the beholder .. so it's all relative my dear friend. Ah, relativism! Spawning the likes of "Progressives against Progress" and the pomo generator! Quote: 1. Expressions of meaninglessness “Society is part of the absurdity of consciousness,” says Derrida. Therefore, in Virtual Light, Gibson examines dialectic precapitalist theory; in Pattern Recognition he affirms Lacanist obscurity. The characteristic theme of the works of Gibson is the common ground between art and sexual identity. However, Cameron[1] holds that we have to choose between postcapitalist appropriation and Sontagist camp. An abundance of theories concerning a self-sufficient whole exist. It could be said that if dialectic precapitalist theory holds, the works of Fellini are empowering. Lyotard uses the term ‘Lacanist obscurity’ to denote the role of the writer as poet. However, the subject is interpolated into a structural materialism that includes sexuality as a reality. "The man who tells you truth does not exist is asking you not to believe him. So don't" Roger Scruton We're descending into the worship of idiocy.

"What a strange illusion it is that beauty is confused with goodness" Tolstoy


This is becoming never so true as now.

"What a strange illusion it is that beauty is confused with goodness" Tolstoy

This is becoming never so true as now.

- Locutius


Truth, and goodness, and beauty are but different faces of the same all.

- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Sex and beauty are inseparable, like life and consciousness.

- D H Lawrence


Hmm .. interesting.

Here is something I saw today ... which I found very beautiful:

To your enemy - forgiveness
To your friend - your heart
To a customer - service
To all - charity
To every child - a good example
To yourself - respect

- Oren Arnold

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5gQdijivjk


My eyes are painted red
The canvas of my soul,
Is slowly breaking down, again
Today I heard the news
The stories getting old
When will we see the end
Of the days, we bleed for what we need
To forgive, forget, move on
Cause we've got

One life to live
One love to give
One chance to keep from falling
One heart to break
One soul to take us
Not forsake us,
Only one
Only one
(Only one)

The writing's on the wall
Those who came before
Left pictures frozen still, in time
You say you want it all
But whose side you fighting for
I sit and wonder why
There are nights, we sleep, while others they weep
With regret, repent, be strong
Cause we got

One life to live
One love to give
One chance to keep from falling
One heart to break
One soul to take us
Not forsake us
Only One
Only One

Just you and I
Under one sky

One life to live
One love to give
One chance to keep from falling
One heart to break
One soul to take us
Not forsake us
Only One

One life to live
One love to give
One chance to keep from falling
Only One

One heart to break
One soul to take us
Not forsake us
Only one
Only one

That's a pretty song Lisa - thanks.

With respect to the magnificent James Freud.. Sell us salvation. King of kings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaZOLJxmZkA

Interesting clip there Amadd ...

A rare and incredible version ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKMrmJ4Zva4

"Occasionally in life there are those moments of unutterable fulfillment which can not be completely explained by those symbols called words. Their meanings can only be articulated by the inaudible language of the heart."

- Martin Luther King jr.

Quote of the day : "Play the ball not the player"

:) Hello Lisa, I hope your still remember me, how have you been, ??

Hello Stryder LTNS :)

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science.

- Albert Einstein

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 7^th, 2010 at 12:48am:

A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (German Playwright, Poet, Novelist and Dramatist. 1749-1832)

Here's a little music ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpDQJnI4OhU

Mary J. Blige, U2 - One

Is it getting better
Or do you feel the same?
Will it make it easier on you now?
You got someone to blame

You say one love, one life (one life)
It's one need in the night
One love (one love), get to share it
Leaves you darling, if you don't care for it

Mary

Did I disappoint you?
Or leave a bad taste in your mouth?
You act like you never had love
And you want me to go without

Well it's too late, tonight
To drag the past out into the light
We're one, but we're not the same
We get to carry each other
Carry each other
One...

Have you come here for forgiveness?
Have you come to raise the dead?
Have you come here to play Jesus?
To the lepers in your head

Well, did I ask too much, more than a lot?
You gave me nothing, now it's all I got
We're one, but we're not the same
since we, hurt each other
Then we do it again

You say
Love is a temple
Love is a higher law
Love is a temple
Love is a higher law
You ask for me to enter
but then you make me crawl
And I can't keep holding on
To what you got
Cos all you got is hurt

One love
One blood
One life
You got to do what you should
One life
With each other
Sisters and my
Brothers
One life
But we're not the same
We get to
Carry each other
Carry each other

One...
One love

i welcome myself unto your presence lisa id..

were you born with sin?

i am interested in knowing the reason christians believe this?

can you assist?

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 27^th, 2011 at 8:12pm:

i welcome myself unto your presence lisa id.. were you born with sin? i am interested in knowing the reason christians believe this? can you assist? namaste

Oh hello Light! LTNS .. I would love to discuss this with you. Would you mind if we moved the discussion to a more appropriate topic?

Interesting and beautiful lyrics here. Food for thought.

Have you come here for forgiveness?
Have you come to raise the dead?
Have you come here to play Jesus?
To the lepers in your head

One love
One blood
One life
You got to do what you should
One life
With each other
Sisters and my
Brothers
One life
But we're not the same
We get to
Carry each other
Carry each other

i am your eternal brother in LOVE and LIGHT

and so it is

namaste

-:)

Sunset

Gazing into a sunset blazing with fire
I breathe Mother Nature's air of desire
I stand in its awe as I deeply admire
Perfection that settles down to retire.

Rest in my arms and be one with me.
Let's journey the unknown and set ourselves free
Understand and unlock this mystery
Love has a heart and your soul is the key.

And if God is love then I feel God in my heart
I feel God in my bones as you watch me depart
I've mastered Life's pain and I've mastered Love's art
I've learned all my lines and I've played out my part.

Whenever you feel the wind touching your face
It is but my ghost attempting to embrace
A time that only memory can now retrace
A love that is God in our private, personal space.

This sunset's blaze has shined and shone
And another day's love has come and gone.
Time keeps a record of all that I've done.
I've done nothing wrong but shine God as the sun.

- written by me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90SSeA85J74

Kerrianne Cox - Woman Got No Story

A very inspirational Australian woman and music artist.

http://www.grist.org/list/2011-05-04-cute-guy-hand-rears-baby-hummingbird-whats-not-to-love

Warning: This may be too cute and very touching. Enjoy!

Nothing      

I've nothing to write
I've nothing to say
I've nothing to cry
I've nothing to pray

The language of poetry is now an unknown
So I dabble in art and paint words from deep down

I feel nothing
I know nothing
I hope for nothing
I aim for nothing

I remain silent as I paint everything.

Perhaps someday .. someone will read my paintings .. but I doubt it.

Just like me .. my art will fade away into nothing.

- written by me

I feel nothing
I know nothing
I hope for nothing
I aim for nothing

___________

this is self loathing beloved one

you are forgiven unconditionally

to deny that and to wilfully and with intent not forgive yourself is

fear based reality

you are forgiven by the hand of the almighty

i have this on divine authority and your ANGELS and GUIDES

may validate this unto your awareness in this now moment

beloved one

namaste

-:)

Poetry is one of the best way to express our thoughts and feelings..And thus creating those feelngs are fulfilling and enormously achieving..

Respect Lisa, loved your poetry, not lightly LOVED. Chan Marshall cited Mary J Blige as an inspiration, now I know why, thanks for that also. I got masses of respect for Shelley Morris too, she finds this stuff more fulfilling than pursuing money.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JA8huk8NzQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81s8oQT8qNE

I hate and apologise for turning the thread into a video bar, but this project to celebrate the Opera House...well it captures the best of Australia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG7wbAfcKUI

"We make a little history, baby"??? Nothing is ever banal enough. The clinky-clonky piano is not enough. The 'indigineous elder' with bandana is not enough. Must hava amplification. And guitars and whailing, baby WIthout guitars and whaling 'ah feel nuffin', baby'.Dreadful stuff. Substitute sentimentality for substitute people without any redeaming qualities. Just amplified banality.

Soren wrote on Aug 25^th, 2011 at 1:11pm:

"We make a little history, baby"??? Nothing is ever banal enough. The clinky-clonky piano is not enough. The 'indigineous elder' with bandana is not enough. Must hava amplification. And guitars and whailing, baby WIthout guitars and whaling 'ah feel nuffin', baby'.Dreadful stuff. Substitute sentimentality for substitute people without any redeaming qualities. Just amplified banality.

:D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

u make me crack up sometimes bro

here im listening to this right now i think its genuinely beautiful modern music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqNvjtQ6aRA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98pxUWdmmzE

barnaby joe wrote on Aug 25^th, 2011 at 1:56pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 1:11pm: "We make a little history, baby"??? Nothing is ever banal enough. The clinky-clonky piano is not enough. The 'indigineous elder' with bandana is not enough. Must hava amplification. And guitars and whailing, baby WIthout guitars and whaling 'ah feel nuffin', baby'.Dreadful stuff. Substitute sentimentality for substitute people without any redeaming qualities. Just amplified banality. :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D u make me crack up sometimes bro

Snobs always crack me up too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfiQdg2FNAg

barnaby joe wrote on Aug 25^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

here im listening to this right now i think its genuinely beautiful modern music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqNvjtQ6aRA

That link was no good, what was it? AC/DC?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlprozGcs80&feature=related