:o :o :o :o

This must be answered!

JC Denton wrote on Nov 15^th, 2010 at 6:57pm:

This must be answered!

I and probably billions of others have been asking myself the question, but have not been able to come up with an answer.

The meaning of life is to form a bridge between generations of life.

Ask it_is_the_light. He'll tell ye.

1) Pay taxes!
2) Shut up!
3) Any disagreements? See 1 & 2!

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 16^th, 2010 at 1:54pm:

1) Pay taxes! 2) Shut up! 3) Any disagreements? See 1 & 2!

SH!!!T!! I'm on the f*^*ing dole and have Tourette's!! My life is meaningles???
CRAAAAAAP!!

Soren wrote on Nov 16^th, 2010 at 2:15pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 16th, 2010 at 1:54pm: 1) Pay taxes! 2) Shut up! 3) Any disagreements? See 1 & 2! SH!!!T!! I'm on the f*^*ing dole and have Tourette's!! My life is meaningles??? CRAAAAAAP!!

Gee, that's no good!

Solution = see 1 & 2!

The Meaning of life, is seldom found.

We make it and it usually comes with attachments!

Life is a characteristic that distinguishes objects that have signalling and self-sustaining processes (biology) from those that do not, either because such functions have ceased (death), or else because they lack such functions and are classified as inanimate.

That is the meaning of life.

Yesterday, I saw a car-shaped cloud. I'll ask a similarly meaningful question.

What is the meaning of that cloud?

Off you go then - contemplate your collective navels. My own interpretation is that it is a visible collection of particles of water or ice suspended in the air at an elevation above the earth's surface. In fact, you could say that the answer is :

Blowing in the wind

How many roads must a man walk down
Before they call him a man
How many seas must a white dove sail
Before she sleeps in the sand
How many times must the cannonballs fly
Before they are forever banned
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind
The answer is blowing in the wind

How many years must a mountain exist
Before it is washed to the sea
How many years can some people exist
Before they're allowed to be free
How many times can a man turn his head
And pretend that he just doesn't see
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind
The answer is Blowing in the wind

How many times must a man look up
Before he can see the sky
How many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry
How many deaths will it take till he knows
That too many people have died
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind
The answer is blowing in the wind

Douglas Adams once wrote, via a character known as "Earth",  that the Meaning of Life is .... 42.
He also wrote a small book called "The Meaning of Liff" which sold quite well to those people who must have the complete works of Douglas Adams.

Is there a meaning to life?
Or is it just a feeling?

I think the question, therefore I am the answer ...is there a Meaning to Knowledge ?

;)

Quote:

That is the meaning of life.

That is merely a definition.

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2010 at 8:15pm:

Quote: That is the meaning of life. That is merely a definition.

I agree that's what 'life' means. It's the meaning of life.  The meaning of a word is generally how you define it. I've never heard anybody answer it that way though.

What is the meaning of life according to God?

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2010 at 8:15pm:

Quote: That is the meaning of life. That is merely a definition.

It's not merely a definition, it's a definition. It explains what 'life' means.

Wasn't that the question?

Itanmulli - I don't believe in a personal God.

Isn't the 'meaning of life' 42???

Or is that the ANSWER to life?

Quote:

Wasn't that the question?

No.

freediver wrote on Nov 26^th, 2010 at 10:28pm:

Quote: Wasn't that the question? No.

Well I should ask Gloria Glorious that question. What did you mean by the question? It's an old Monty Python cliché of course, but what did you really mean? - The significance of life, the definition of life (which is difficult enough), or the purpose of life ?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9002085385040727366#

very intellectual question?

JC Denton wrote on Nov 15^th, 2010 at 6:27pm:

:o :o :o :o

What is just now the final product of life?

Conciousness!

I think that the meaning of life must be its final result. And the top of life's evolution just now is conciousness. So, life exists as a tool for arriving to conciousness.

But, conciousness arose here in the last moments of astronomic time and is fragmented in 6,5 billion bits inside human's heads and probable in trillions bits else in other extraterrestrial living beings. It is like the state of the genes soon after the fecundation.

From the above, my opinion is that the meaning of our life, as human beings ( and the other trillions in the space), is to be like genes building a new specie, a new natural system. The fact that all genes from our parents lifted up to the brain and are alive during our existence, suggests that we will be alive in the final baby that we are building.

From the Big Bang to the Big Birth:

It means that the Universe began with a Big Bang (the astronomic counterpart of the big bang that initiated our own body when the involucre of a spermatozoon exploded inside an ovule) and are going to a final as the Big Birth, when all matter will be discarded like is the  :)placenta and will born a baby made of conciousness ... when all of us will be one.

It is what suggests the real facts and processes I can see here.

LouisMorelli wrote on Jan 7^th, 2011 at 6:31pm:

[quote author=EmpNap link=1289809627/0#0 date=1289809627] :o :o :o :o

What is just now the final product of life?

Conciousness!

But... if are there a purpose for life (production of conciousness) why we are under events by chance, exposed to predators, threated to be extinguished under tragedies, etc.?

There is a plausible explanation in the anatomy of LUCA ( the Last Universal Common Ancestor), which is the most perfect closed system, and wich will be the anatomy of conciousness. The anatomy of LUCA is suggested by Matrix/DNA Theory.

The explanations is:

Every new shape of natural system has two phases: first they are like eggs layed out and abandoned to tragedies, predators, etc. But, since that the new system never left the superior system which is the environment, in fact the egg was not layed out; in a second phase the egg is kept in the womb and nurtured till its birth. In LUCA the two phases were happen at the same time.

Since that conciousness is a new system that is still inside eggs (human heads) and appeared in the last minutes of cosmological time, it means that we are at the phase of eggs laid out. It is the cause we are under tragedies, predators and events by chance. But it means that we, as universal genes, are being kept in the universal womb and being nurtured safely.

If you see the LUCA's picture at "The Universal matrix of Natural Systems and Life's Cycle" website, the first phase of eggs laid out is Function 2 when leaving the Function 1, and the second phase of the same eggs being kept in the system is Function 3 and 4 orbiting Function 6.

 

Why the obsession with an individual meaning to life. Life just is, no deep and incredible job to do just humanity as a species doing what it does.
Life is the sum of the experiences you have.
Life and death are just things that you do when your born.
There are a thousand of these but the base line for me is i don't care anymore. I spent years pursuing the meaning, traveled to all sorts of sacred places, meditated with enlightened masters and it all means nothing. There was no answer just as there is no answer to the creation of the universe. Everyone meets the same question "where did it come from?".
To myself the meaning is simple, live to the fullest, experience everything i can and give my family the opportunity to experience what they like. There is no right and wrong only the conscience that tell's you where to draw the line. Celebrate the time you have lived and the fortunate era that you live in. We have healthcare, industry, immunology and science, a standard of living that has never been known and the ability to help those who don't. See the good and don't linger on the bad as life is too short to dwell on the unknowable. Be satisfied with having life it a is a gift that you have. :)  :D

nairbe wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 9:55am:

. I spent years pursuing the meaning, traveled to all sorts of sacred places, meditated with enlightened masters and it all means nothing.

LOL


In pursuing the meaning of your life, did you ever, look within?
Or was that just 'too far' to go ???    ::)

e.g.
You will never find a 'right' partner, by searching for, seeking to 'find' the 'right' person, according to your own desire.
To find your one-ness, with another, you, must be the right person.

Abandon desire.

Find TRUTH.


Suffering arises from desire/attachment.
Buddhism - 2nd of The Four Noble Truths

1. TO LIVE, IS TO SUFFER
2. Suffering arises from attachment to desire

I do not follow 'The Four Noble Truths'.

But i am happy to take what i need, from them.






Quote:

. There is no right and wrong only the conscience that tell's you where to draw the line.

IMO, within a person who holds such a world view, our conscience can no longer guide us.

It no longer speaks to us.

Because it [the conscience] is already, 'the departed'.

And i have no desire to live 'your' the world nairbe.

This world.



+++

1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Psalms 51:11
Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

Romans 8:5
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Isaiah 57:15
For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

Acts 17:27
That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28  For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.



You will find nothing of worth, within this world.

Look within.



"This life, is a search for meaning."

Who said that?    ;)

Yeah grand teachings from those who forever sit on a hill by themselves  ;D

Amadd wrote on Jan 15^th, 2011 at 1:40am:

. Yeah grand teachings from those who forever sit on a hill by themselves  ;D

The Fool On The Hill
by
The Beatles

Quote:

. "i must honestly say that i believe that the song fool on the hill is merely a metaphor for humanity in general...we are close minded and we have ears for no one...only a few people (the fools) are true to themselves and others... and other people mock them, insult them, misunderstand... they all misunderstand....... i am a fool" - peter, west granby , CT

http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=134

We just cannot define life in words or sentences but LIFE is a beautiful gift to us given by GOD!! As it is gift we must live it in positive way and learn good things as much as we can!!

joseph pratt wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 8:47pm:

We just cannot define life in words or sentences but LIFE is a beautiful gift to us given by GOD!! As it is gift we must live it in positive way and learn good things as much as we can!!

You mean like a birthday present?

joseph pratt wrote on Aug 11^th, 2011 at 8:47pm:

We just cannot define life in words or sentences but LIFE is a beautiful gift to us given by GOD!! As it is gift we must live it in positive way and learn good things as much as we can!!

I see my own life, as an opportunity [a gift?] from God, to make mistakes within [this life, being] a 'controlled environment'.

I see God giving me an opportunity [a gift?], to learn, that there will always consequences for the [moral] choices i make.

And giving me an opportunity, to recognise my mistakes [if i eventually do!], so as to learn from my mistakes, by my own experience.



Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;








muso wrote on Aug 12^th, 2011 at 11:10am:

You mean like a birthday present?

Yes muso, exactly so.          ;D


i.e.
Wasn't our natal day, a 'birthday present', from God ?      ;)

Yadda wrote on Aug 12^th, 2011 at 11:52am:

I see God giving me an opportunity [a gift?], to learn, that there will always consequences for the [moral] choices i make. And giving me an opportunity, to recognise my mistakes [if i eventually do!], so as to learn from my mistakes, by my own experience. Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

I don't believe that God has any expectation that we, individually, will be perfect and without fault.

But i do believe that God wants us to acknowledge our error [our mistakes], and i believe that he wants us to want to be perfect.

i.e.
To 'have a care', and to not be 'careless', in our conduct here.





Genesis 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.


Jeremiah 17:14
Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise.

To create

LOL...I hope you got a receipt for that imaginary 'gift' - cos you may have a right (if not the common sense) to demand a full cash refund!

::)

muso wrote on Aug 12^th, 2011 at 11:10am:

joseph pratt wrote on Aug 11th, 2011 at 8:47pm: We just cannot define life in words or sentences but LIFE is a beautiful gift to us given by GOD!! As it is gift we must live it in positive way and learn good things as much as we can!! You mean like a birthday present?

Yeah, like a birthday present when you were 5. You only had a dim sense of where it came from and why you got it and you weren't sure that all this was entirely deserved, but there it was. And you were happy and you felt like - what was it? Well, it was what you learned only later in life by its proper name - blessed.
Something like that.

Soren wrote on Aug 12^th, 2011 at 9:21pm:

muso wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 11:10am: joseph pratt wrote on Aug 11th, 2011 at 8:47pm: We just cannot define life in words or sentences but LIFE is a beautiful gift to us given by GOD!! As it is gift we must live it in positive way and learn good things as much as we can!! You mean like a birthday present? Yeah, like a birthday present when you were 5. You only had a dim sense of where it came from and why you got it and you weren't sure that all this was entirely deserved, but there it was. And you were happy and you felt like - what was it? Well, it was what you learned only later in life by its proper name - blessed. Something like that.

I've never read anything as beautiful as this on Oz Pol. Thank you :)

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 2:13pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 9:21pm: muso wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 11:10am: joseph pratt wrote on Aug 11th, 2011 at 8:47pm: We just cannot define life in words or sentences but LIFE is a beautiful gift to us given by GOD!! As it is gift we must live it in positive way and learn good things as much as we can!! You mean like a birthday present? Yeah, like a birthday present when you were 5. You only had a dim sense of where it came from and why you got it and you weren't sure that all this was entirely deserved, but there it was. And you were happy and you felt like - what was it? Well, it was what you learned only later in life by its proper name - blessed. Something like that. I've never read anything as beautiful as this on Oz Pol. Thank you :)

You wanna get out more ;D]

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2010 at 8:15pm:

Quote: That is the meaning of life. That is merely a definition.

That's a very good point Freediver. To understand the answer, we need first to understand the words used in the question. 'Meaning' and 'Life' have different interpretations.

So, since you raised this issue... What doe you think is meant by 'meaning' and 'life' in the question posed?

Sappho wrote on Aug 13^th, 2011 at 6:08pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2010 at 8:15pm: Quote: That is the meaning of life. That is merely a definition. That's a very good point Freediver. To understand the answer, we need first to understand the words used in the question. 'Meaning' and 'Life' have different interpretations. So, since you raised this issue... What doe you think is meant by 'meaning' and 'life' in the question posed?

Freediver?

Yadda wrote on Aug 12^th, 2011 at 11:52am:

muso wrote on Aug 12th, 2011 at 11:10am: You mean like a birthday present? Yes muso, exactly so.          ;D i.e. Wasn't our natal day, a 'birthday present', from God ?      ;)

Yadda understood what I meant.   ;)


Soren wrote on Aug 12^th, 2011 at 9:21pm:

Yeah, like a birthday present when you were 5. You only had a dim sense of where it came from and why you got it and you weren't sure that all this was entirely deserved, but there it was. And you were happy and you felt like - what was it? Well, it was what you learned only later in life by its proper name - blessed. Something like that.

Very evocative. I recalled my earliest memory only  last year. Apparently I was 3 at the time.  Last year, I caught the fragrance of the same plant, crushing its leaves between my fingers, and a whole stream of memory came flooding back from when I was three years old.

Memory plays some neat tricks sometimes.  The plant was pennyroyal.

And once I had recognized the taste of the crumb of madeleine soaked in her decoction of lime-flowers which my aunt used to give me (although I did not yet know and must long postpone the discovery of why this memory made me so happy) immediately the old grey house upon the street, where her room was, rose up like the scenery of a theatre to attach itself to the little pavilion, opening on to the garden, which had been built out behind it for my parents (the isolated panel which until that moment had been all that I could see); and with the house the town, from morning to night and in all weathers, the Square where I was sent before luncheon, the streets along which I used to run errands, the country roads we took when it was fine. And just as the Japanese amuse themselves by filling a porcelain bowl with water and steeping in it little crumbs of paper which until then are without character or form, but, the moment they become wet, stretch themselves and bend, take on colour and distinctive shape, become flowers or houses or people, permanent and recognisable, so in that moment all the flowers in our garden and in M. Swann's park, and the water-lilies on the Vivonne and the good folk of the village and their little dwellings and the parish church and the whole of Combray and of its surroundings, taking their proper shapes and growing solid, sprang into being, town and gardens alike, all from my cup of tea.

Proust?

Yes, the incomparable Proust.

Shucks, I am getting all choked up.
Life? The bewdifull gift from gawd.

Oh to be so blessed, and to bask in his generousity.
Mind you, I have to wonder what that little somalian baby dying of disease and starvation must have done to him?
It seems his generousity is somewhat random.

Really the silly human characteristics that people apply to their individual concepts of god never fails to astound me.

The fact is that our world is full of greater beauty than any of us could ever experience, and more horror than we could ever comprehend, and attaching either, or both, as the work of an interventionist god concept, is beyond reason.

To acknowledge there is stuff beyond your understanding is a pretty reasonable approach in my opinion, but the need to invent a a supernatural being concept, and then anthropomorhise that invention, does seem a pretty hollow, and self deceiving exercise.

mozzaok wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 10:29am:

To acknowledge there is stuff beyond your understanding is a pretty reasonable approach in my opinion, but the need to invent a a supernatural being concept, and then anthropomorhise that invention, does seem a pretty hollow, and self deceiving exercise.

No doubt.

But then - how do you speak  about the "stuff beyond your understanding"? Do you ever draw useful conclusions from your encounters with it for the "stuff" that is within your understanding?

Or are you just happy to take neuro-science and brain chemistry as the answers (even though they are also largely inventions and certainly "stuff beyond your understanding)?

I differentiate between people in a lab doing imaging scans, and recording data, and people who tell me they know the answer because they heard it from a burning bush.

Religion works like aesthetics or humour - they all convey a meaning and truth without being data-testable. I.e. testability is not the only way to get at truth. You can analyse a piece of music in an audio lab or do brain scans while people crack jokes and miss the truth of both the music and the jokes.

The mistake with the lab guys is to think that they cover the entire terrain. They don't. I don't believe that the image scanning guys have mapped my inner life or yours.

Life has no meaning, it just is. 'Meaning' is the gift you give back.

Soren wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 11:42am:

Religion works like aesthetics or humour - they all convey a meaning and truth without being data-testable. I.e. testability is not the only way to get at truth. You can analyse a piece of music in an audio lab or do brain scans while people crack jokes and miss the truth of both the music and the jokes. The mistake with the lab guys is to think that they cover the entire terrain. They don't. I don't believe that the image scanning guys have mapped my inner life or yours.

Nice one.

And succinct.

Grey wrote on Aug 16^th, 2011 at 12:07pm:

Life has no meaning, it just is. 'Meaning' is the gift you give back.

Naturally, you don't 'mean' that.

Don't be mean.

Sappho wrote on Aug 14^th, 2011 at 5:20pm:

Sappho wrote on Aug 13th, 2011 at 6:08pm: freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2010 at 8:15pm: Quote: That is the meaning of life. That is merely a definition. That's a very good point Freediver. To understand the answer, we need first to understand the words used in the question. 'Meaning' and 'Life' have different interpretations. So, since you raised this issue... What doe you think is meant by 'meaning' and 'life' in the question posed? Freediver?

And no answer issuing forth cometh. No surprises there.  

Lay people don't know what is meant by the meaning of meaning or of the life in life when sat in their ikea armchair philosophizing. Heck they don't even contemplate the question. They twist it instead so that what started of as 'What is the meaning of life?' becomes 'What does my life mean to me?' But what your life means to you was never a part of the question.

Sappho wrote on Aug 25^th, 2011 at 8:51pm:

Sappho wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 5:20pm: Sappho wrote on Aug 13th, 2011 at 6:08pm: freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2010 at 8:15pm: Quote: That is the meaning of life. That is merely a definition. That's a very good point Freediver. To understand the answer, we need first to understand the words used in the question. 'Meaning' and 'Life' have different interpretations. So, since you raised this issue... What doe you think is meant by 'meaning' and 'life' in the question posed? Freediver? And no answer issuing forth cometh. No surprises there.   Lay people don't know what is meant by the meaning of meaning or of the life in life when sat in their ikea armchair philosophizing. Heck they don't even contemplate the question. They twist it instead so that what started of as 'What is the meaning of life?' becomes 'What does my life mean to me?' But what your life means to you was never a part of the question.

Is it even possible to stand outside one's own life and seriously answer the question 'What is the meaning of life'?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 25^th, 2011 at 8:57pm:

Sappho wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 8:51pm: Sappho wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 5:20pm: Sappho wrote on Aug 13th, 2011 at 6:08pm: freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2010 at 8:15pm: Quote: That is the meaning of life. That is merely a definition. That's a very good point Freediver. To understand the answer, we need first to understand the words used in the question. 'Meaning' and 'Life' have different interpretations. So, since you raised this issue... What doe you think is meant by 'meaning' and 'life' in the question posed? Freediver? And no answer issuing forth cometh. No surprises there.   Lay people don't know what is meant by the meaning of meaning or of the life in life when sat in their ikea armchair philosophizing. Heck they don't even contemplate the question. They twist it instead so that what started of as 'What is the meaning of life?' becomes 'What does my life mean to me?' But what your life means to you was never a part of the question. Is it even possible to stand outside one's own life and seriously answer the question 'What is the meaning of life'?

Yes, because we more alike than we are dissimilar.

Taking this question further than was first intended at its inception so many thousands of years ago, Deep Ecology philosophies are also addressing the meaning of life, yet able to rationalize reasonably from an objective viewpoint.

Quote:

Is it even possible to stand outside one's own life and seriously answer the question 'What is the meaning of life'?

No it is not.
It's only possible to reflect a perceived meaning of what life means to others.
Most people interpret that to mean that everybody else wants the same as they do.

The meaning of life is to ...replicate what we are currently destroying.
So we have a world.
We destroy it.
We pass through the eye of the needle ...that is, will Humanity survive its own destruction of its world?
If Humanity survives - it will endeavour to play God and replicate that which it has lost.

Its right up there with North Americans wanting to fly off into space (Heaven) as the world's premier Aviation/Astronomical region ...and leave a 'Hell' behind for the rest of us. ::)

Humanity will eventually ...die.
How we die, how we check out ...now that's a very big discussion indeed.
;)

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 25^th, 2011 at 8:57pm:

Sappho wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 8:51pm: Sappho wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 5:20pm: Sappho wrote on Aug 13th, 2011 at 6:08pm: freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2010 at 8:15pm: Quote: That is the meaning of life. That is merely a definition. That's a very good point Freediver. To understand the answer, we need first to understand the words used in the question. 'Meaning' and 'Life' have different interpretations. So, since you raised this issue... What doe you think is meant by 'meaning' and 'life' in the question posed? Freediver? And no answer issuing forth cometh. No surprises there.   Lay people don't know what is meant by the meaning of meaning or of the life in life when sat in their ikea armchair philosophizing. Heck they don't even contemplate the question. They twist it instead so that what started of as 'What is the meaning of life?' becomes 'What does my life mean to me?' But what your life means to you was never a part of the question. Is it even possible to stand outside one's own life and seriously answer the question 'What is the meaning of life'?

Never mind that. Is is possible to get a plumber on a Sunday?

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2011 at 1:44pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 8:57pm: Sappho wrote on Aug 25th, 2011 at 8:51pm: Sappho wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 5:20pm: Sappho wrote on Aug 13th, 2011 at 6:08pm: freediver wrote on Nov 22nd, 2010 at 8:15pm: Quote: That is the meaning of life. That is merely a definition. That's a very good point Freediver. To understand the answer, we need first to understand the words used in the question. 'Meaning' and 'Life' have different interpretations. So, since you raised this issue... What doe you think is meant by 'meaning' and 'life' in the question posed? Freediver? And no answer issuing forth cometh. No surprises there.   Lay people don't know what is meant by the meaning of meaning or of the life in life when sat in their ikea armchair philosophizing. Heck they don't even contemplate the question. They twist it instead so that what started of as 'What is the meaning of life?' becomes 'What does my life mean to me?' But what your life means to you was never a part of the question. Is it even possible to stand outside one's own life and seriously answer the question 'What is the meaning of life'? Never mind that. Is is possible to get a plumber on a Sunday?

http://www.yellowpages.com.au/search/listings?clue=plumber&locationClue=All+States&x=38&y=20

"Your call is important to us, please leave your name and number and we will...  ZZzzzzz...."

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2011 at 2:04pm:

"Your call is important to us, please leave your name and number and we will...  ZZzzzzz...."

When you get through, tell them there's an extra five hundred bucks in it for them if they get there within the hour...

They may not know the meaning of life... But the colour of money...

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18^th, 2011 at 2:22pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:04pm: "Your call is important to us, please leave your name and number and we will...  ZZzzzzz...." When you get through, tell them there's an extra five hundred bucks in it for them if they get there within the hour... They may not know the meaning of life... But the colour of money...

And when they do come and get down to work, head under the sink, plumber's cleavage greeting the sun, ask them, "hey, Jimmy, what's the meaning of life, then?"

But make sure you stand well back...

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2011 at 2:31pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:22pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:04pm: "Your call is important to us, please leave your name and number and we will...  ZZzzzzz...." When you get through, tell them there's an extra five hundred bucks in it for them if they get there within the hour... They may not know the meaning of life... But the colour of money... And when they do come and get down to work, head under the sink, plumber's cleavage greeting the sun, ask them, "hey, Jimmy, what's the meaning of life, then?" But make sure you stand well back...

Yep... And what's the bet you'll get the meaning of life 2 seconds before the plumber wrench smashes through your skull.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18^th, 2011 at 3:48pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:31pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:22pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:04pm: "Your call is important to us, please leave your name and number and we will...  ZZzzzzz...." When you get through, tell them there's an extra five hundred bucks in it for them if they get there within the hour... They may not know the meaning of life... But the colour of money... And when they do come and get down to work, head under the sink, plumber's cleavage greeting the sun, ask them, "hey, Jimmy, what's the meaning of life, then?" But make sure you stand well back... Yep... And what's the bet you'll get the meaning of life 2 seconds before the plumber wrench smashes through your skull.

Indeed.
Tobias Woolf's Bullet in the Brain captures just those two seconds.

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ro/www/LiteratureandMedicineInitiative/20080304/bullet.pdf

A brilliant story.

Soren wrote on Sep 18^th, 2011 at 8:09pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 3:48pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:31pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:22pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:04pm: "Your call is important to us, please leave your name and number and we will...  ZZzzzzz...." When you get through, tell them there's an extra five hundred bucks in it for them if they get there within the hour... They may not know the meaning of life... But the colour of money... And when they do come and get down to work, head under the sink, plumber's cleavage greeting the sun, ask them, "hey, Jimmy, what's the meaning of life, then?" But make sure you stand well back... Yep... And what's the bet you'll get the meaning of life 2 seconds before the plumber wrench smashes through your skull. Indeed. Tobias Woolf's Bullet in the Brain captures just those two seconds.

Sure does.

When i was a child, i'm sure i had an opinion about, the meaning of this life.
In fact in writing and reading that last sentence, i recall now, precisely what that opinion was, as a child [of about 9 years old], and i can now also recall precisely where i was, when i had that thought.

But moving on, ...a bullet coursing through a man's brain, or a plumbers wrench crashing through his skull: aren't these consequences, and not a source of meaning(s) ?
And imo, those actions must be the end of thought, and meditation, for the person who is the 'object' of such a consequence.
Because [even if that person's consciousness continues on, of which, we have no certain knowledge] the person who is the object of that consequence, [his essential bodily presence in this life being now ended] he now has no reference or connection to this life, upon which to base any further meditation of, the meaning of this life.     ;)


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The meaning of life ?

On thinking on such a question, i am reminded of that scene, and the circumstance, in the movie T2, where John Connor asks the Terminator, "Are we learning yet?".

Didn't John Connor's posed question shake your world ?     ;D

Out of the mouth of babes ?

Although this question"What is life?" seems to be very easy but when it comes to define what actually life is there is no perfect answer for this question.everyone has  different thinking and concept in defining life.But for me life in simple word is a race where the one who runs fast is the one who's the winner.

Yadda wrote on Sep 20^th, 2011 at 4:33pm:

When i was a child, i'm sure i had an opinion about, the meaning of this life. In fact in writing and reading that last sentence, i recall now, precisely what that opinion was, as a child [of about 9 years old], and i can now also recall precisely where i was, when i had that thought. But moving on, ...a bullet coursing through a man's brain, or a plumbers wrench crashing through his skull: aren't these consequences, and not a source of meaning(s) ?

Whooosh...

That's the sound of enlightenment rushing over your head... and the sound of one hand clapping....

It's the reason the east proposes many births before release.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18^th, 2011 at 8:54pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 8:09pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 3:48pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:31pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:22pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:04pm: "Your call is important to us, please leave your name and number and we will...  ZZzzzzz...." When you get through, tell them there's an extra five hundred bucks in it for them if they get there within the hour... They may not know the meaning of life... But the colour of money... And when they do come and get down to work, head under the sink, plumber's cleavage greeting the sun, ask them, "hey, Jimmy, what's the meaning of life, then?" But make sure you stand well back... Yep... And what's the bet you'll get the meaning of life 2 seconds before the plumber wrench smashes through your skull. Indeed. Tobias Woolf's Bullet in the Brain captures just those two seconds. Sure does.

ANd if you don't read the story now but eventually get shot in the head, you will remember, in that last moment, that you have heard about it here first and that you shoulda read it while you could.
Some regret be to be going out with.

Soren wrote on Sep 20^th, 2011 at 10:03pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 8:54pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 8:09pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 3:48pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:31pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:22pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:04pm: "Your call is important to us, please leave your name and number and we will...  ZZzzzzz...." When you get through, tell them there's an extra five hundred bucks in it for them if they get there within the hour... They may not know the meaning of life... But the colour of money... And when they do come and get down to work, head under the sink, plumber's cleavage greeting the sun, ask them, "hey, Jimmy, what's the meaning of life, then?" But make sure you stand well back... Yep... And what's the bet you'll get the meaning of life 2 seconds before the plumber wrench smashes through your skull. Indeed. Tobias Woolf's Bullet in the Brain captures just those two seconds. Sure does. ANd if you don't read the story now but eventually get shot in the head, you will remember, in that last moment, that you have heard about it here first and that you shoulda read it while you could. Some regret be to be going out with.

And that dying with regret would preclude your release from Samsara for at least another life... Or so they'd say in the east.

Linda wrote on Sep 20^th, 2011 at 8:08pm:

Although this question"What is life?" seems to be very easy but when it comes to define what actually life is there is no perfect answer for this question.everyone has  different thinking and concept in defining life.But for me life in simple word is a race where the one who runs fast is the one who's the winner.

Some people seek an imagined ['desirable'] destination? ['running fast' so as to achieve 'arrival' ? ]

But doesn't the path [the journey] we take, also determine our [ultimate] destination ?

And essentially, if 'the path' is 'the way', aren't we already [always] at our destination ?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 3:50am:

Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 10:03pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 8:54pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 8:09pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 3:48pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:31pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:22pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:04pm: "Your call is important to us, please leave your name and number and we will...  ZZzzzzz...." When you get through, tell them there's an extra five hundred bucks in it for them if they get there within the hour... They may not know the meaning of life... But the colour of money... And when they do come and get down to work, head under the sink, plumber's cleavage greeting the sun, ask them, "hey, Jimmy, what's the meaning of life, then?" But make sure you stand well back... Yep... And what's the bet you'll get the meaning of life 2 seconds before the plumber wrench smashes through your skull. Indeed. Tobias Woolf's Bullet in the Brain captures just those two seconds. Sure does. ANd if you don't read the story now but eventually get shot in the head, you will remember, in that last moment, that you have heard about it here first and that you shoulda read it while you could. Some regret be to be going out with. And that dying with regret would preclude your release from Samsara for at least another life... Or so they'd say in the east.

Samsara... Now I get it. Kafka's Metamorphosis is an eastern parable. Everything is connected.

"One morning, as Gregor Samsara was waking up from anxious dreams, he discovered that in his bed he had been changed into a monstrous verminous bug."

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 8:33am:

Linda wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 8:08pm: Although this question"What is life?" seems to be very easy but when it comes to define what actually life is there is no perfect answer for this question.everyone has  different thinking and concept in defining life.But for me life in simple word is a race where the one who runs fast is the one who's the winner. Some people seek an imagined ['desirable'] destination? ['running fast' so as to achieve 'arrival' ? ] But doesn't the path [the journey] we take, also determine our [ultimate] destination ? And essentially, if 'the path' is 'the way', aren't we already [always] at our destination ?

So that the, 'meaning of life', is to find the ['correct'] path, and endeavour to stay upon, the ['correct'] path ?




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Eastern, smeast-ern.


Psalms 1:6
For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.


Psalms 25:10
All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
11  For thy name's sake, O LORD, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.
12  What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.


Proverbs 12:28
In the way of righteousness is life; and in the pathway thereof there is no death.


Proverbs 21:16
The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.

A recent book by the sociologist Eric Kaufmann (Will the Religious Inherit the Earth?) makes the now-common observation that secular people have stopped having children. As a secular writer, he bewails this turn of events, but concedes that it has occurred for a reason: "The weakest link in the secular account of human nature is that it fails to account for people's powerful desire to seek immortality for themselves and their loved ones."

Traditional society had to confront infant mortality as well as death by hunger, disease and war. That shouldn't be too troubling, however: "We may not be able to duck death completely, but it becomes so infrequent that we can easily forget about it."

That is a Freudian slip for the record books. Contrary to what Professor Kaufmann seems to be saying, the mortality rate for human beings remains at 100%, where it always was. But that is not how we think about it. We understand the concept of death, just not as it might apply to us.

If we set out to invent our own identities, then by definition we must abominate the identities of our parents and our teachers. Our children, should we trouble to bring any into the world, also will abominate ours. If self-invention is the path to the meaning of life, it makes the messy job of bearing and raising children a superfluous burden, for we can raise our children by no other means than to teach them contempt for us, both by instruction, and by the example of set in showing contempt to our own parents.

That is why humanity has found no other way to perpetuate itself than by the continuity of tradition. A life that is worthwhile is one that is worthwhile in all its phases, from youth to old age. Of what use are the elderly? In a viable culture they are the transmitters of the accumulated wisdom of the generations. We will take the trouble to have children of our own only when we anticipate that they will respect us in our declining years, not merely because they tolerate us, but because we will have something yet to offer to the young.

In that case, we do not discover the meaning of life. We accept it, rather, as it is handed down to us. Tradition by itself is no guarantee of cultural viability. Half of the world's 6,700 languages today are spoken by small tribes in New Guinea, whose rate of extinction is frightful. Traditions perfected over centuries of isolated existence in Neolithic society can disappear in a few years in the clash with modernity. But there are some traditions in the West that have survived for millennia and have every hope of enduring for millennia still.

For those of you who still are searching for the meaning of life, the sooner you figure out that the search itself is the problem, the better off you will be. Since the Epic of Gilgamesh in the third millennium BC, our search has not been for meaning, but for immortality. And as the gods told Gilgamesh, you can't find immortality by looking for it.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/MH30Dj01.html

Once the colonisation of Oceania, the Occidental (from NZ to Central America) and North/South America are complete ...the world will experience a sense of finality.

Humanity and this world will die.
Long after, another species will emerge and they will look upon the fossilised Relics of a long gone race and have something to learn from by Precedence and thus not make the same mistake ...twice.
This Species will succeed out into the Cosmos where Humanity failed.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but lets face it - look at the world today. :-?

Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 9:11am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 21st, 2011 at 3:50am: Soren wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 10:03pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 8:54pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 8:09pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 3:48pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:31pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:22pm: Soren wrote on Sep 18th, 2011 at 2:04pm: "Your call is important to us, please leave your name and number and we will...  ZZzzzzz...." When you get through, tell them there's an extra five hundred bucks in it for them if they get there within the hour... They may not know the meaning of life... But the colour of money... And when they do come and get down to work, head under the sink, plumber's cleavage greeting the sun, ask them, "hey, Jimmy, what's the meaning of life, then?" But make sure you stand well back... Yep... And what's the bet you'll get the meaning of life 2 seconds before the plumber wrench smashes through your skull. Indeed. Tobias Woolf's Bullet in the Brain captures just those two seconds. Sure does. ANd if you don't read the story now but eventually get shot in the head, you will remember, in that last moment, that you have heard about it here first and that you shoulda read it while you could. Some regret be to be going out with. And that dying with regret would preclude your release from Samsara for at least another life... Or so they'd say in the east. Samsara... Now I get it. Kafka's Metamorphosis is an eastern parable. Everything is connected. "One morning, as Gregor Samsara was waking up from anxious dreams, he discovered that in his bed he had been changed into a monstrous verminous bug."

Yep... The relentless suffering of existence... Man and bug.

Yadda wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 9:39am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 21st, 2011 at 8:33am: Linda wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 8:08pm: Although this question"What is life?" seems to be very easy but when it comes to define what actually life is there is no perfect answer for this question.everyone has  different thinking and concept in defining life.But for me life in simple word is a race where the one who runs fast is the one who's the winner. Some people seek an imagined ['desirable'] destination? ['running fast' so as to achieve 'arrival' ? ] But doesn't the path [the journey] we take, also determine our [ultimate] destination ? And essentially, if 'the path' is 'the way', aren't we already [always] at our destination ? So that the, 'meaning of life', is to find the ['correct'] path, and endeavour to stay upon, the ['correct'] path ?

Several years ago, [i believe that] i discovered how God [a spirit] uses dreams, my own dreams, to guide me, on his path.
And i believe that he does this exact 'thing' with each of us.
[i can't describe this process, because the sense that i [atm] have, is that to describe the process would be a betrayal]

When i say, 'i discovered', i mean that i had a new thought, a 'hypothesis', and i subsequently tested that hypothesis, and it works [it works for me!    :)   ].


The path is; I live in the world, i am compelled to live in the world, but i should trust God's spirit.

I should be guided by God's spirit, and not be guided by what i see in the world.

My 'purpose' is to observe the world, even to react to what i see in the world, but do not be guided by what i see in the world.





Psalms 9:7
But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment.
8  And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.
9  The LORD also will be a refuge for the oppressed, a refuge in times of trouble.
10  And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee.

Psalms 25

Psalms 119:2
Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.

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We all have to find [search out] our own path.

I am not a guide.

I am one of the guided [because i seek guidance].

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Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 1:24pm:

A recent book by the sociologist Eric Kaufmann (Will the Religious Inherit the Earth?) makes the now-common observation that secular people have stopped having children. As a secular writer, he bewails this turn of events, but concedes that it has occurred for a reason: "The weakest link in the secular account of human nature is that it fails to account for people's powerful desire to seek immortality for themselves and their loved ones." ....For those of you who still are searching for the meaning of life, the sooner you figure out that the search itself is the problem, the better off you will be. Since the Epic of Gilgamesh in the third millennium BC, our search has not been for meaning, but for immortality. And as the gods told Gilgamesh, you can't find immortality by looking for it. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/MH30Dj01.html

This life is more of a 'distraction', than a source, or a 'containment' of 'the meaning', imo.

If we are looking to be distracted [from the 'pain' of this life], then yes, [your 'path', the path which you will choose, is to] embrace this world.

If we are looking for meaning, then look within.

Just my opinion.

Yadda wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2011 at 8:56am:

The path is; I live in the world, i am compelled to live in the world, but i should trust God's spirit. I should be guided by God's spirit, and not be guided by what i see in the world. My 'purpose' is to observe the world, even to react to what i see in the world, but do not be guided by what i see in the world.

Jesus said....

Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29  Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30  For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.


To me, this description and advice, is exactly correct, and is exactly appropriate for us.

God's message to us, is simple.

Don't 'overthink' it.

Yadda wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2011 at 9:03am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 22nd, 2011 at 8:56am: The path is; I live in the world, i am compelled to live in the world, but i should trust God's spirit. I should be guided by God's spirit, and not be guided by what i see in the world. My 'purpose' is to observe the world, even to react to what i see in the world, but do not be guided by what i see in the world. Jesus said....

You claim to know what Jesus said?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 7:05am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 22nd, 2011 at 9:03am: Yadda wrote on Sep 22nd, 2011 at 8:56am: The path is; I live in the world, i am compelled to live in the world, but i should trust God's spirit. I should be guided by God's spirit, and not be guided by what i see in the world. My 'purpose' is to observe the world, even to react to what i see in the world, but do not be guided by what i see in the world. Jesus said.... You claim to know what Jesus said?

No.

You know very well helian, that i was just quoting some words, that were attributed to Jesus.

Yadda wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 11:41am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 7:05am: Yadda wrote on Sep 22nd, 2011 at 9:03am: Yadda wrote on Sep 22nd, 2011 at 8:56am: The path is; I live in the world, i am compelled to live in the world, but i should trust God's spirit. I should be guided by God's spirit, and not be guided by what i see in the world. My 'purpose' is to observe the world, even to react to what i see in the world, but do not be guided by what i see in the world. Jesus said.... You claim to know what Jesus said? No. You know very well helian, that i was just quoting some words, that were attributed to Jesus.

Looks like you just shot a hole through the head of your religious fundamentalism, then. :)

The purpose of creation is clear; we are created for the worship and glorification of God Almighty:

“And I (God) created not the spirits and humans, except that they should worship Me.” [the Qur'aan, al-Dhaariyaat, v.56].

falah wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 10:48am:

The purpose of creation is clear; we are created for the worship and glorification of God Almighty: “And I (God) created not the spirits and humans, except that they should worship Me.” [the Qur'aan, al-Dhaariyaat, v.56].

God created in the image of an  ...  oriental potentate.

falah wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 10:48am:

The purpose of creation is clear; we are created for the worship and glorification of God Almighty: “And I (God) created not the spirits and humans, except that they should worship Me.” [the Qur'aan, al-Dhaariyaat, v.56].

I never heard any stinking God say that. When did that happen?
Sounds more like some egotistical schmuck postulating as the ruler of all things living to me  ;D ;D

...believe it or not!

falah wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 10:48am:

The purpose of creation is clear; we are created for the worship and glorification of God Almighty:

Never mind all that eating, drinking, pissing and shitting we do from cradle to grave ;D

Or (to paraphrase Douglas Adams, I think),

Life is water's way of getting from A to B.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2011 at 8:43pm:

falah wrote on Sep 24th, 2011 at 10:48am: The purpose of creation is clear; we are created for the worship and glorification of God Almighty: Never mind all that eating, drinking, pissing and shitting we do from cradle to grave ;D Or (to paraphrase Douglas Adams, I think), Life is water's way of getting from A to B.

Yes, water is our major ingredient, but our atoms don't define us on a life-long basis. Our bodies tend to change out our atoms on a regular basis.  

We are processes - more like the waves on the sea than the sea itself.

falah wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 10:48am:

The purpose of creation is clear; we are created for the worship and glorification of God Almighty: “And I (God) created not the spirits and humans, except that they should worship Me.” [the Qur'aan, al-Dhaariyaat, v.56].

It's appealing to think life is this straightforward, but it's just a book

muso wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

We are processes - more like the waves on the sea than the sea itself.

Ah, the New Age...

Now a bit of "Bach by the Sea" and you're work here is done  ;D

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 10^th, 2011 at 9:00pm:

muso wrote on Oct 10th, 2011 at 11:23am: We are processes - more like the waves on the sea than the sea itself. Ah, the New Age... Now a bit of "Bach by the Sea" and you're work here is done  ;D

I'll have you know that I invented that phrase myself.   ;)

muso wrote on Oct 11^th, 2011 at 8:29am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 10th, 2011 at 9:00pm: muso wrote on Oct 10th, 2011 at 11:23am: We are processes - more like the waves on the sea than the sea itself. Ah, the New Age... Now a bit of "Bach by the Sea" and you're work here is done  ;D I'll have you know that I invented that phrase myself.   ;)

Yours is a mind of the universe, no less than the Greeks up on Mars, you have a need to be there. And whether or not it is clear to you now, you have a right to be rich and a plot on the moon.

Cos when you know how to want and know how to ask, know how to have and know how to need...

With all that you touch, and all that you see, and all that you taste, and all you feel.

In all that you love, all that you hate, all you distrust  and all you save.

Through all that you give, and all that you deal, and all that you buy, beg, borrow or steal.

From all you create, all you destroy, all that you do and all that you say.

By all that you eat and everyone you meet, all that you slight and everyone you fight.

For all that is now, all that is gone, all that's to come cos and everything under the sun is in tune

But the sun is eclipsed by the moon.




Moon plots, dally thou not... Lest thou loseth the plot...

For sooth, they will verily be lost unto thou...

At 2000 shekels, these are never to be repeateth prices.

Humans never cease to dumbfound me.

For, you are the purpose of life.

That does not mean all you do is that,
Nor even all you dream.