Lovely Xmas present for their fellow Christians, hack them to death with machetes & axes. Praise the Lord, Halelu-Yah!

"Jehovah is a man of war; Jehovah, is his name." (Exodus 15:3)

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Aid groups fear central Africa LRA 'Christmas massacre'

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50412000/jpg/_50412138_lracrutches.jpg
Man in Ngilima, north-eastern Congo. LRA rebels often carry out their attacks with machetes and axes.

Aid groups have called for efforts to prevent mass killings by one of Africa's most feared rebel militias over the Christmas period.

The aid agencies say a concerted effort is needed to stop the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) from committing what have become known as "Christmas massacres".

LRA fighters killed hundreds of people in the Democratic Republic of Congo and Sudan in December 2008 and 2009.

Hundreds of people were abducted during those attacks.

Figures show that the LRA over the past two years has become the most deadly militia in the DRC, the aid groups say in a report.

On Christmas Day 2008 and over the following three weeks, LRA beat to death more than 800 people in north-eastern DR Congo and Southern Sudan, abducting hundreds more.

In December 2009, the brutal militia killed more than 300 villagers in DR Congo in the run-up to Christmas.

An LRA spokesman denied that his organisation was responsible for the atrocities.

The rebels - originally from Uganda and also roaming across parts of Sudan and the Central African Republic (CAR) - killed or abducted more than 1,000 people in remote areas of DR Congo last year alone, the report says.

Shortly after the 2008 Christmas Massacre I flew to northern DR Congo with the Ugandan army.

The men from Uganda wanted to show me how they were killing the LRA in cooperation with the Congolese military.

The Ugandans were professional soldiers. But they failed.

They failed to deal with the highly-mobile LRA rebels, who - in a bid to to escape capture - are now spread over an area the size of the UK.

The Ugandan effort showed how complex it is to deal with a rural rebel group in a very underdeveloped region.

There are virtually no tarred roads there - telecommunications are basic.

There is some talk about the African Union --and even the United States --taking a military initiative to solve the LRA issue.

But one of Africa's best armies - that of Uganda - has failed.

So Africa may still need help from outside to deal with the LRA.

"The LRA abducts, mutilates, rapes and kills women, men and children, using extreme violence against the most vulnerable," the report adds.

The militia is also notorious for kidnapping children to save as soldiers and sex slaves.

"It is unbelievable that world leaders continue to tolerate brutal violence against some of the most isolated villages in central Africa and that this has been allowed to continue for more than 20 years," said Marcel Stoessel from Oxfam, one of the 19 organisations behind the report.

US President Barack Obama in November outlined a plan to remove the LRA's leader, Joseph Kony, and disarm the LRA. Mr Kony is wanted by the International Criminal Court (ICC).

Mr Obama was responding to US legislation passed in May promising a comprehensive strategy to put a stop to the LRA's killings, rapes and mutliations.

But the new report says more humanitarian aid and a more concerted military effort is needed to stop the rebels from committing more atrocities.

"Recent signs of diplomatic commitment from the African Union and the United States must provide tangible answers that protect the population from violence," the agencies say.

The report also calls on the UN Security Council to put the rebel group on its agenda.

Source: BBC

Christianity does not teach/order.. killing.murder,rape.pillage of any kind.
you will not find these orders in our Bible.

Just because a group of murderers use the Lords name does not mean they are Christians..in fact they would be the complete opposite.

this report horrifies me, but for you to use it as a means of hatred horrifies me even more so.

I agree its time the UN took charge over this curse that seem to afflict this whole continent..

HOW!! I wish I knew!

Quote:

Christianity does not teach/order.. killing.murder,rape.pillage of any kind. you will not find these orders in our Bible.

Really? so what's this then?

"Thus saith Jehovah of hosts: I have considered what Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.  Now go and smite Amalek, and destroy utterly all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (! Samuel 15:2-3)

Men, women children, even suckling infants, the whole lot. And this is not an isolated verse, the Bible is full of such things.

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 7:21am:

Quote: Christianity does not teach/order.. killing.murder,rape.pillage of any kind. you will not find these orders in our Bible. Really? so what's this then? "Thus saith Jehovah of hosts: I have considered what Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.  Now go and smite Amalek, and destroy utterly all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (! Samuel 15:2-3) Men, women children, even suckling infants, the whole lot. And this is not an isolated verse, the Bible is full of such things.

You are a mendacious ijit, Abu (may I call you Abu?).

As a Mohammedan, you have signed up to the simple-minded idiocy that the Koran is the unaltered word of god and so your sharia law has to be based on its pronouncements.

However, not everyone is so stupid. Non-Muslims are not only able but are expected to think for themselves. Our secular laws are not based on mindlessly cleaving to ancient texts.

You know this but are two faced enough to come up with Bible quotes as if they were our versions of your fossilised sharia.

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 7:21am:

Quote: Christianity does not teach/order.. killing.murder,rape.pillage of any kind. you will not find these orders in our Bible. Really? so what's this then? "Thus saith Jehovah of hosts: I have considered what Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.  Now go and smite Amalek, and destroy utterly all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (! Samuel 15:2-3) Men, women children, even suckling infants, the whole lot. And this is not an isolated verse, the Bible is full of such things.

What's this then you ask?
It just shows the State of Israel was known as Israel by the ancients 2500 years before the State was officially recognised by the UN.
It also shows there is not a Palestinian in sight.
Thanks Abu. :)

islamabu - as per usual, it is from the OT, which is for jews.

Also, it does NOT say for christians to slay nonchristians on that basis.

unlike the koran does to muzzies, the toilet paper invented by your paedophile prince.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 10:23am:

islamabu - as per usual, it is from the OT, which is for jews. Also, it does NOT say for christians to slay nonchristians on that basis. unlike the koran does to muzzies, the toilet paper invented by your paedophile prince.

I kind of expected him to come up with something like that..always taken out of context of course..you can twist anything really to suit the occasion. and thats what this guy does best.

What is twisted to suit the context codswal?

It clearly says that Jehovah (the God of the Bible) is commanding his followers to slay kids and infants (ie. the kind of stuff 'good Christians' like the LRA are still doing till this day). There's not much worse that this can be twisted into...

So you asked for it, and you got it, do you have the decency to answer? Or are you just going to slither your way out of it?

slither out ???????? no, I'm not a cowardly backward muzzie

Its not for christians.

if you had read the bible, you'ld know this childish thing.
had you read it, you'ld be a christian

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had you read it, you'ld be a christian

Why would I wanna worship a "man of war" when I can worship the creator of all existence?

No thanks. Reading the Bible was what made me wake up to the realities of Christianity, and to instead choose Islam. You just never read it, that's why you persist in your polytheistic religion, because you don't even comprehend what it teaches.

yeah meataxe, i've read it twice, entirely cover to cover.

codswal wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 7:07am:

Christianity does not teach/order.. killing.murder,rape.pillage of any kind. you will not find these orders in our Bible.

That is true codswal.

But clearly the Hebrews [of the old covenant] were not the Christians of the new covenant.
Jeremiah 31:31
The Hebrews of the old covenant, in what they did, were a people who were rightly guided, by their God, in violently cleansing the land they came into, of its wickedness, of its wicked people.

If you doubt this, read the Old Testament Bible.
But, the violence in the Old Testament Bible, was not justified by those who called themselves, the Hebrews.
The Hebrews, were not justified, because they were Hebrews [special].
The violence in the Old Testament Bible, was specific, and was justified by God's righteousness.

And it is clear, in studying the OT Bible, and it is stated in the Bible, that the children of Jacob [Israel] were chosen, specifically, to be a weapon in Gods hand, against those who God hates - THE WICKED.
Jeremiah 51

But, Christians today have no sanction from God, to commit such violence [on God's behalf].

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 10:25pm:

....Reading the Bible was what made me wake up to the realities of Christianity, and to instead choose Islam. You just never read it, that's why you persist in your polytheistic religion, because you don't even comprehend what it teaches.

Abu, you quoted;
1 Samuel 15:2
Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3  Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

My God, the God of Israel, has a special place in his heart for the Amalekites [the Edomites, who are the children of Esau, ...who are, the 'Palestinians' of today].

Read it.
Exodus 17:14-16

"Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt..."
Deuteronomy 25:17-18

The God of Israel has declared that the Amalek people, are a proud and wicked people.
And the God of Israel has declared that the Amalek people, harbour only hatred in their heart, for their brother [Israel].
And this bitter hatred [of God's people] has come down to us today.
And it resides in the hearts of those who refer to themselves, as 'Palestinians'.

"...These accounts relate the sort of trickery, terrorism, and underhandedness that the Amalekites seem to use perpetually. One can only conclude that these tactics are passed from generation to generation, becoming a hereditary trait. God has recorded these episodes to indicate to us how Amalek historically treats Israel."

Read their fate.
Ezekiel 35

+++
"...he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation;"

Abu,
You quoted;
Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

You and yours, have no idea what is coming, do you Abu.
;)

Speaking of you, and yours...

"They are vanity, the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish.
The portion of Jacob is not like them:
....Behold, I will sling out the inhabitants of the land at this once, and will distress them, that they may find it so."

i.e.
The wicked will be expelled from the 'land', by God himself.
Isaiah 26:21

Abu,
I know that you [moslems] like to point to the savagery and violence in the OT bible.
And i know that ISLAM teaches moslems to point to such accounts in the OT bible, to [erroneously] justify the ISLAMIC violence we see, today, against non-moslems.
Because, ISLAM is a false shepherd.

+++
The truth.
We, mankind, all of us, are wanderers ['lost sheep'] in this world.
And we are all, 'strangers in a strange land'.

The purpose of this life, is merely so that we can [individually] demonstrate, plainly, if we want to live in the light, or if we want to live in the darkness.
Sadly, much of mankind will choose the darkness [i believe].
And the nature of the wicked, compels them [to remain in rebellion].

Jesus pointed to mankind's rebellious nature in some of his parables;

The tares
Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43

The lost son
Luke 15:11-32

The wicked tenants
Luke 20:9-15

My advice to you Abu, and your brothers, is to open your eyes.
Or, to go to hell.
:)))))))

Because, there will be no 'escape', in our [your] death [in the death of our [your] physical bodies].
Jesus himself confirmed that in death, we will fall into the hands of our God, our spirit father, our creator.
Matthew 10:28
Luke 12:4-5

The violence that we read about, in the OT Bible, was justified by God, against those who, being [spiritually] unclean, sought to take hold of, and to possess, what was holy [to God].
e.g.
God's holy land, was given ['promised'] to a holy people, or at least, given to a people who were covenanted to maintain their holiness [their sanctified condition] before their [holy] God.
Hence the need for God's chosen people to eject the unholy nations and people, from God's holy land.

A Holy people.
The Holy land.
A Holy spirit [God's spirit].
...and these concepts are all connected with each other.


Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Our God is clever, and just.
Because God knows, that men who are wicked, are dumb.
And God knows very well, how to separate the goats from the sheep.
And that, is what he is doing.
By our own choices, he lets us [mankind] choose our own fate, ...for ourselves.
That was always his plan, from day 1.


Look at this world, today.
Nothing can stop God's plan [for us].
It is man's own nature which is driving God's plan forward.

God is clever.
And wicked men are dumb.

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My God, the God of Israel, has a special place in his heart for the Amalekites [the Edomites, who are the children of Esau, ...who are, the 'Palestinians' of today].

I guess that's why Rabbi's have given rulings it's permissble to slaughter their children then... And why Christian nations like America have no qualms providing the weaponry and diplomatic protection by which to carry such policies out.

Again I assert that my original claims are correct. Jehovah is a "man of war" as the Bible supposedly claims he is, and his followers are indeed child murdering animals.

This makes it quite clear why Christians try to make such claims about Muslims (even though Islam always has EXPRESSLY forbidden killing non-combatant women and children in warfare), because the best defence is a good offence isn't it? Accuse the Muslims of what you yourselves clearly believe in AND practice, and that way they'll be on the back foot. Yet anyone who actually has half an iota of grey matter in his cranium, and can see past the propaganda will find it's the exact opposite. It is the adherents of the Biblical belief systems which go around slaughtering women children because their book/god teaches it to be righteous (as you mention above).


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was specific, and was justified by God's righteousness.

I'm sure all those who commit atrocities in God's name believe it's justified by God's righteousness....

Nothing unique about that case, as you'd like to try and suggest.

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 9:50pm:

Quote: My God, the God of Israel, has a special place in his heart for the Amalekites [the Edomites, who are the children of Esau, ...who are, the 'Palestinians' of today]. ...This makes it quite clear why Christians try to make such claims about Muslims (even though Islam always has EXPRESSLY forbidden killing non-combatant women and children in warfare)...

And there you go again Abu, misrepresenting ISLAM, whenever it serves your purpose [i.e. soft Jihad].








The truth.

ISLAMIC scholar Sayyid Qutb,
".....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8802-2243871,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb



Allah's finest, to six year old child...
"Just walk up to those nice Kuffar soldiers, and press this button.",

June 24, 2007
The Taliban's 6-year-old suicide bomber
The boy was spotted after appearing confused at a checkpoint. The vest was defused and no one was hurt.
"They placed explosives on a six-year-old boy and told him to walk up to the Afghan police or army and push the button," said Captain Michael Cormier, the company commander who intercepted the child, in a statement. "Fortunately, the boy did not understand and asked patrolling officers why he had this vest on."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017077.php
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,,2109574,00.html


7 November 2007
Afghanistan mourns bomb victims
......President Karzai said about 35 people had been killed - most of them children, teachers and MPs - while the provincial governor told the BBC there had been 41 deaths.
......But our correspondent says many questions remain, including that of responsibility.
The Taleban have denied that they carried out the attack, but they and al-Qaeda are the only ones known to use suicide bombs in Afghanistan so far.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7082481.stm



Here, on Oz Pol, some nice pics...
Israel soldiers speak out on Gaza
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1247651281/5#5

AND,
IDF shot children waving white flags
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1250207614/2#2







Quote:

(...Islam always has EXPRESSLY forbidden killing non-combatant women and children in warfare)...

The truth, exposed...

"The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." "

i.e.
Paraphrasing Mohammed's determination on civilians in war zones...

"Pagan women and children???
The highest imperative, is to secure pagan women and children as war booty.
But, if it serves ISLAM's cause [Jihad] then kill them!"


details here, on Oz Pol....
Islam specifically forbids killing of non-combat
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251160915/0#0

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 8:28pm:

slither out ???????? no, I'm not a cowardly backward muzzie Its not for christians. if you had read the bible, you'ld know this childish thing. had you read it, you'ld be a christian

If you will read the Koran, my brother, you will be a Muslim. 100%, my friend.

It is easy to convert to Islam. You simply say this:

There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is His prophet.

You say this three times, my friend, three times you say it. Of course you can say it many more times if you wish. You can then become a devout Muslim, insh'allah, with prayer and study, and a Haji if you attend the Haj once in your life. You will like this very much, my brother, and feel God in all.

You are a good, kind man. You are a christian now, this is true, but you will be a Muslim if God wills it to be so.

Go in peace, my friend.

Karnal wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 11:32am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 8:28pm: slither out ???????? no, I'm not a cowardly backward muzzie Its not for christians. if you had read the bible, you'ld know this childish thing. had you read it, you'ld be a christian If you will read the Koran, my brother, you will be a Muslim. 100%, my friend. It is easy to convert to Islam. You simply say this: There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is His prophet. You say this three times, my friend, three times you say it....

If i were a dog, and i found a carcass in the street, i would begin eating it.
Because a dog would do that.
Dogs are scavengers.

As a human being i would not find a carcass in the street alluring, desirable, as a food source.




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If you will read the Koran, my brother, you will be a Muslim. 100%, my friend.

I have read much of it, the Koran.

I have no desire to become a moslem.


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. Thou (O Muhammad) seest them bowing and falling prostrate (in worship), seeking bounty from Allah and (His) acceptance. The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel - like as sown corn that sendeth forth its shoot and strengtheneth it and riseth firm upon its stalk, delighting the sowers - that He may enrage the disbelievers with (the sight of) them. Allah hath promised, unto such of them as believe and do good works, forgiveness and immense reward."
Koran 48:29

Is this why i should become a moslem?

"....bowing and falling prostrate   ....seeking bounty from Allah     ....and immense reward."

So as to acquire 'immense reward', in the world, from Allah?

War booty.

"And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,- the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things."
Koran 8:41


To whom, does ISLAM appeal?

To people who seek worldly rewards, from Allah?

No thank you.


Read the Koran.
Read the Hadith.

The Koran is a book which promotes a philosophy, but it is a philosophy which human beings should not embrace, imo.

THE KORAN...
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

+++
THE OLD TESTAMENT...
Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

THE OLD TESTAMENT...
Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

THE OLD TESTAMENT...
Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.




We all have a choice.
We all make choices, in this life.


THIS, IS WHAT ISLAM WANTS OF YOU....

"But we want to free all people from being slaves of men and make them slaves of Allah."




Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?


Matthew 4:9
And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.



http://www.islammonitor.org/uploads/pics/pray.jpg


We all have a choice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaxXhwxiaSI

I love Achmed...

Especially Jingle Bombs..

For Abu...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB0JdVzMTIY&feature=related

Quote:

THE KORAN... "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123 +++ THE OLD TESTAMENT... Exodus 22:21 Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him... THE OLD TESTAMENT... Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself... THE OLD TESTAMENT... Deuteronomy 10:17-19 For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

We can all do a bit of selective quoting Yadda, and I guarantee you, there's a mountain more stuff to 'take out of context' from the Bible than there is from the Qur'an. For instance:

THE OLD TESTMENT...
"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel" (Deuteronomy, 17:12)

THE OLD TESTAMENT...
"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.. you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-18)

THE OLD TESTAMENT...
"Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed." (Numbers 1:51)

THE OLD TESTAMENT...
"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. But these instructions apply only to distant towns, not to the towns of nations nearby." (Deuteronomy 20:10-15)

Lucky if you're in a nearby town eh? Or maybe not...

"As for the towns of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as a special possession, destroy every living thing in them." (Deuteronomy 20:16)

Now let us compare this with the Qur'an:

THE QUR'AN...
"take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom." (al-An'am 6:151)

THE QUR'AN...
"Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him nor exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law). " (al-Isra 17:33)

THE QUR'AN...
"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors." (al-Baqarah 2:190)

THE QUR'AN...
"therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then Allah hath opened no way for you (to war against them). " (an-Nisa 4:90)

THE QUR'AN...
"if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people" (al-Ma'idah 5:32)

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 9:07pm:

THE QUR'AN... "if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people" (al-Ma'idah 5:32)

Abu quotes the Koran...

"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people...."
Koran 5.32

N.B. Allah supposedly, is speaking to whom???
So, there are no direct restrictions in this verse [5.32], on moslems slaying mankind then???

Abu shows us, that Allah's law declares that muslims, must never knowingly kill another person.
CORRECTION;
Abu shows us, that Allah's law declares that muslims must never knowingly kill another moslem.

"......If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him."
Koran 4.092, 93

You have read Koran 5.32 [above].
What does the next Koran verse declare???

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world..."
Koran 5.33

So ISLAMIC law is.....???

Never, never, ever, kill a fellow moslem.

But infidels???
No worries!

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme. "
Koran 9.111

v. 9.111, in its guarantee of paradise to those who "fight in His cause, and slay and are slain" for Allah, is clearly encouraging the martyrdom of moslems, in 'the Cause of Allah'.
Their reward, is paradise.
Suicide bombing, anyone?

Q.
But who can moslems fight???

A.
Allah's enemies.

Q.
But who are, Allah's enemies????

A.
Allah declares who his enemies are, in the Koran...

"...Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

And THAT, is real ISLAM.
The reason for being, for a good moslem, is to fight infidels, in Allah's cause, aka Jihad.


BUT NOT ONLY, THOSE WICKED 'UNBELIEVERS'...

ISLAM also sanctions the use of terror, and threats, and intimidation, and violence, against wayward members of its own community, to keep the moslem community inline, behind their community leaders...

e.g.
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
law/fiqhussunnah/fus3_50 #3.110

n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

That determination is essentially repeated here, in the Hadith...

"...the Prophet said, If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

That, is a *legal sanction* from ISLAM, for a moslem to execute all apostates [ex-moslems] they come across.
And THAT, is real ISLAM.

There are many, many, things about ISLAM which devout moslems living in Australia, are NOT disclosing to the non-moslem community.

Ask yourself.....
Why not????

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Real ISLAM, and good moslems, are guided in their 'faith', and in how they conduct their daily lives, by what Allah revealed to Mohammed.
And what Allah revealed to Mohammed, is set out within ISLAM's religious texts.

And it is undeniable that the Koran, and the Hadith [ISLAM's own foundation 'scriptures'], themselves, ARE THE SOURCE, and inspiration, of all ISLAMIC violence against all non-moslems in this world.

And i ask, why do scholars and politicians in the West, today, deny this fact?
Our scholars and politicians in the West are not idiots, they know.

BUT, why won't they reveal these things, to the public, to their citizens?



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'We are pledging to wage war against all mankind'

Ishaq: 204 - "‘Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?’ ‘Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.’"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

cited by 'dumbledoresarmy', here...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/spencer-jihad-at-fort-hood.html#comment-614985

I think all religions have their extremist nutters, those who take things just that little bit tooooo far.

At uni, we were taught that religious extremism is a sign of mental illness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

And yes, you would be surprised at how many religious extremists of all kinds wandered the corridors of the psychiatric facility I did my closed-ward placement in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

I recall one woman in her late 50's wearing angel wings who would say her prayers and bless herself repeatedly.

She was a cutie, (bit like an adult Shirly Temple) except when we discovered she had a bowel impaction/blockage requiring a manual evacuation. Then when I asked her if she might like to try to open her bowels just one more time for me, she looked at me in horror and exclaimed..."Angels don't do poos"

:) She was a wealthy professional of some sort...I cant exactly recall what...(I think perhaps a CEO)...

Yes, I got quite a shock when I saw her patient notes/history.

She was enduring psychosis, ( an enhanced manic episode)...and suffered with bipolar disorder this and truly believed she was gods messenger, an angel.

:)...There was another guy there who thought he was some sort of medieval monk....  he was quite aesthetic.

And another who recited Shakespeare loudly with a broad not-quite Scottish sounding accent...(she normally had an Australian accent) and I never thought I'd read Shakespeare again after that placement.


lol :D

mellie wrote on Dec 24^th, 2010 at 1:41pm:

I think all religions have their extremist nutters, those who take things just that little bit tooooo far. At uni, we were taught that religious extremism is a sign of mental illness.

I believe in a spirit realm, and the existence of demons.     :D
But, the friends of Tara do not live here, with me.       :)

Explanation;
Did you ever see the tv series, "The United States of Tara" ??

IMO, that tv series portrays a woman, a character Tara, who is 'possessed' by demons.
IMO, that is what MPD [Multiple Personality Disorder] and schizophrenia reflects - demon possession.

And i find it sad, that many people in our society would find such a show 'entertaining'.
To me, the popularity of such a show says something about us, as a culture.
i.e. That we now, don't commonly recognise, what such a condition [MPD] represents!




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But what we believe can also guide, and constrain us.
i.e. I believe that we believe [our worldview], determines how we will act [choose].
Our actions [choices] in this world, [i believe] are a reflection of what our morals are, and a reflection of what beliefs are.
And both our secret and public actions [choices], confirm our true morals and beliefs.




"It is our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities."
Professor Dumbledore to Harry.
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - J K Rowling