With the successful revolution in Tunis, and now Egypt erupting on a daily basis, it seems the Arab world is in full scale revolt. The Western-backed tyrants are no longer welcome, the people are no longer willing to be dominated and oppressed to maintain the West's status quo in the region.

And now the U.S-backed lackey in Yemen has become the latest target. This is quite dangerous for the West, as Yemen is already lawless enough, and a haven for their arch-enemies within the Islamist resistance militias.

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Anti-government rallies hit Yemen
Tens of thousands of people, inspired by events in Tunisia, protest in Sanaa to demand President Saleh's resignation.
Last Modified: 27 Jan 2011 13:03 GMT

Opposition supporters, inspired by recent events in Tunisia and Egypt, stage anti-government protests in Sanaa

Tens of thousands of people in Yemen have taken to the streets in the country's capital, calling for an end to the government of Ali Abdullah Saleh, the president.

Inspired by recent events in Tunisia and Egypt, opposition members and youth activists are rallying at four different locations in Sanaa on Thursday, chanting for Saleh, who has been in power for 32 years, to step down.

"Enough being in power for [over] 30 years," protesters shouted during the demonstrations.

They also referred to the ouster of Tunisian president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, saying he was "gone in just [over] 20 years".

"No to extending [presidential tenure]. No to bequeathing [the presidency]," they chanted.

An opposition activist said that the staging of the demonstration in four separate parts of the capital was aimed at distracting the security forces.

One area chosen for the protest was outside Sanaa University. Security measures at the demonstrations appeared relaxed, but were tight around the interior ministry and the central bank.

'Not like Tunisia'

Meanwhile Saleh's ruling General People's Congress held counter marches attended by thousands of the government's backers. (When you pay them, or force them to march with the fear of execution if they don't, it's not quite the same. America's puppets don't seem to realise this)

"No to toppling democracy and the constitution," the president's supporters said in their banners.

Motahar Rashad al-Masri, the Yemeni interior minister, ruled out any resemblance between the protests in Yemen and the public outcry in Tunisia and Egypt.

"Yemen is not like Tunisia," he said, adding that Yemen was a "democratic country" and that the demonstrations were peaceful.

He told Al Jazeera that Yemeni authorities will not curb any demonstrations that are peaceful, regardless of their size.

Seven-year mandate

Saleh was re-elected in September 2006 for a seven-year mandate.

A draft amendment of the constitution, under discussion in parliament despite opposition protests, could allow him - if passed - to remain in office for life.

Saleh is also accused of wanting to pass the reins of power in the impoverished Arabian Peninsula state to his eldest son Ahmed, who heads the elite Presidential Guard.

But in a televised address on Sunday, Saleh denied such accusations. "We are a republic. We reject bequeathing (the presidency)", he said.

Source: Al Jazeera and agencies

Yadda 'abbreviates' the title of this thread;

The Arab world, is revolting.

You're so witty Yadda.

Is that the way Christianity tells you to speak about an entire region of the world's population?

So what do they want? It sounds to me like they are after democracy.

The Arab [mis]conception of democracy is not the same as yours, I know that for sure. So don't wet your pants just yet.

What they want, is the Western-backed dictators out. Beyond that, most have not put much thought into what they want.

In Egypt though, I'd say the Muslim Brotherhood are the only political movement who would have any chance with "democracy" anyway, so you could say they want Islam.

I know one thing they don't want though, is another Western-backed puppet, and that's all that "true democracy" is going to bring.

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I know one thing they don't want though, is another Western-backed puppet, and that's all that "true democracy" is going to bring.

Can you explain this?

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 9:35pm:

So what do they want? It sounds to me like they are after democracy.

Exactly, for they have revolted against the revolting, ...sounds like the birth of democracy to me!

8-) Finally, now when may our troops come home, we are tired of baby sitting them for a pittance.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 5:30pm:

You're so witty Yadda. Is that the way Christianity tells you to speak about an entire region of the world's population?

Well Abu, how would you describe a whole people, nearly a whole people, who have chosen to embrace ISLAM ???

Blessed ???


Read it.

Exodus 17:14
And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.
15  And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovahnissi:
16  For he said, Because the LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation.



The LORD God does not hate this people, because they are 'Arabs'.
But, because of what is in their hearts.
Because of what is in they themselves have chosen.

The God of Israel has declared that the Amalek people [the Arab people], are a proud and wicked people.
And the God of Israel has declared that the Amalek people, are those who harbour only wicked hatred in their heart, for their brother [Israel].

The Arab world,   ...blessed by ISLAM ???


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Psalms 28:1
Unto thee will I cry, O LORD my rock; be not silent to me: lest, if thou be silent to me, I become like them that go down into the pit.
2  Hear the voice of my supplications, when I cry unto thee, when I lift up my hands toward thy holy oracle.
3  Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.
4  Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.


Psalms 83:1
Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2  For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3  They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4  They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
5  For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
6  The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
7  Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;

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Exactly, for they have revolted against the revolting, ...sounds like the birth of democracy to me!

If you honestly understand democracy to simply mean freedom from tyrannical dictatorship, and the ability to have some input into their country's governing direction, then yes. If you understand it as it's reality is, then no.


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Finally, now when may our troops come home, we are tired of baby sitting them for a pittance.

This statement was obviously made with an almost child-like naivety of geo-politics. It's likely to lead to more Western intervention in the Middle East. Not sure if you're aware but the so called "democratic" West have been the staunchest supporters of people like Ben Ali and Mubarak, because these dictators maintain the status quo the West wants in the Middle East. Their downfall means the Middle East is going to turn in a direction that is not favourable to the West.

Look at the Palestinians for instance. When they actually got to elect leaders, they elected Hamas. Did this lead to less or more Western intervention and confrontation?

Effectively Mubarak was a Western tool in the region, with that tool gone, they will need to work harder to exert their influence.

Then again, it seems the West have inserted al-Baradei into Egypt to take his place, so they may well just be using this revolution as a means to exchange a dictator who's past his used-by date for a new one...

Yadda, I'm not particularly interested in the ethno-centric mumbo-jumbo theories you've extracted from the Bible.

The symbolism of nations that modern evangelists derive from their texts is purely the domain of loons.

For a start it completely neglects the fact that Christianity is the religion of many Arabs. And prior to Islam, Christianity was in fact a widespread religion amongst Northern Arabs.

Does that mean Christians represent Amalek too?

According to some of your fellow Christians, such as the Messianics indeed it does.


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Interestingly, those nations associated with Esau/ Edom/Amalek employed the eagle as their national symbol as Obadiah identified Edom. The Idumean progeny of Esau/Amalek’s symbol was also an Eagle as was the symbol of The Holy Roman Empire, The Hapsburgs, The Third Reich and other western powers including the United States, (which obviously includes Australia, as we are merely a part of their empire) but that’s another message.

(Source: http://www.yahshuarevealed.org/Home/prophecy/amalek)

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The God of Israel has declared that the Amalek people [the Arab people], are a proud and wicked people. And the God of Israel has declared that the Amalek people, are those who harbour only wicked hatred in their heart, for their brother [Israel].

Yadda, the Amalek people weren't Arabs, they were Amorites and Cannanites, they lived in the area that now includes Lebanon ,Syria and western Turkey...

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 29^th, 2011 at 1:42pm:

. Yadda, I'm not particularly interested in the ethno-centric mumbo-jumbo theories you've extracted from the Bible. The symbolism of nations that modern evangelists derive from their texts is purely the domain of loons. For a start it completely neglects the fact that Christianity is the religion of many Arabs. And prior to Islam, Christianity was in fact a widespread religion amongst Northern Arabs. Does that mean Christians represent Amalek too?

Abu,
As i stated above;


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. The LORD God does not hate this people, because they are 'Arabs'. But, because of what is in their hearts. Because of what they themselves have chosen. The God of Israel has declared that the Amalek people [the Arab people], are a proud and wicked people. And the God of Israel has declared that the Amalek people, are those who harbour only wicked hatred in their heart, for their brother [Israel].

Abu,

There are 6+ billion souls on the earth, at this time.

God looks into the hearts of all men, and is able to separate one soul from another.
How God is able to accomplish this, i do not know.
What i do know, is that God is able to accomplish this.
But i know that many, may not believe that.

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13  And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.







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. As a personality study Esau is an exposed book. Scripture paints him as vain, cruel, selfish, jealous, rebellious and a war monger. He is driven by pride and the desire to build a kingdom of his own, to be his own god. As we have learned, if ancient Jewish prophecy is correct, the world power, the epitome of evil, the avowed enemy of Israel will be the revived Roman Empire, and that is none other than Edom. At its head will be the ultimate personification of evil the Anti-Messiah. He will be evil personified who will attempt to destroy the Jews once again. In closing, we should consider that Amalek’s offspring exhibit the preeminent expression of Esau, “the destruction of the Jews.” Know those that call for the destruction of Jews to be at least, if not Amalekites, then of their spirit, the spirit of HaSatan.

http://www.yahshuarevealed.org/Home/prophecy/amalek



Spiritual redemption is a gift, offered to men, by God.

Repentance, is a path to spiritual redemption.

But why would the proud 'wise' man, say "I am sorry." to an invisible God ???

Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7  Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.




1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


Men of flesh, are dumb.
God is clever.

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There are 6+ billion souls on the earth, at this time. God looks into the hearts of all men, and is able to separate one soul from another.

On this we can agree.

Where we depart is that you think he looks at the sincere belief of the monotheist and rejects it, because they're Arabs or Muslims. Whilst he looks at the heart of a polytheist man-worshipper and accepts it because he calls himself a "Christian".

That is where we part ways, as that's where sense and logic depart from you.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 29^th, 2011 at 8:38am:

The Arab [mis]conception of democracy is not the same as yours, I know that for sure. So don't wet your pants just yet. What they want, is the Western-backed dictators out. Beyond that, most have not put much thought into what they want. In Egypt though, I'd say the Muslim Brotherhood are the only political movement who would have any chance with "democracy" anyway, so you could say they want Islam. I know one thing they don't want though, is another Western-backed puppet, and that's all that "true democracy" is going to bring.

"I'd say the Muslim Brotherhood are the only political movement who would have any chance with "democracy" "

Then you have rocks for brains..this is what you envisage for Egypt.?

1928
 Muslim Brotherhood
Founded

The Muslim Brotherhood established in Egypt by Hassan El Banna [v] .
It’s the Mother organisation for today’s Egyptian   Jihad Islami and Hamas.  

This part is hilarious, seeing as to how Christianity and Judaism pre-date Islam

Amin Al-Husseini becomes prominent member of Muslim Brotherhood.
He sees the Wahhabi concept of Islamic Jihad as a key tool to rally pan-Islamic support to further his agenda of Pan-Islamic take-over.  

The Muslim Brotherhood now under Husseini’s influence, becomes the main vector of hatred against the West and the Jews: the Arab World, which includes Palestine, must be free of any non-Islamic faith.  

Therefore, Jews and Christians have no claim to any part of the Middle East or of the Arab World.

!933   Hitler’s vision of ethnic cleansing of non-Aryans becomes appealing to the Wahhabis of the Muslim Brotherhood.  The West and the Jews is the common enemy.  Muslim Brotherhood acquires Hitler’s methods of genocide to rid the Arab world of its non-Muslims.1939-1945  

Husseini calls
Nazi Muslim Troops
“Cream of Islam”
Amin Al-Husseini spends WWII in Germany at Hitler’s side.  He establishes Muslim Nazi troops and becomes heavily involved in the genocide of Jews, Gypsies and Serbs.


That does not fit in with Democracy in any way

Democracy is a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly, or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

That sure as day is day, does not sound like the Muslim Brotherhood...but then Islam has no idea what Democracy is. They need to look to israel for that

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Then you have rocks for brains..this is what you envisage for Egypt.?

Where did I say I envisage it? I said that's what's most likely to happen.

The rest of your post is just absolute fantasy. Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini was not a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, and since the rest of your post relies on that, it falls apart right there.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 29^th, 2011 at 3:06pm:

. Where we depart is that you think he [God] looks at the sincere belief of the monotheist and rejects it, because they're Arabs or Muslims. Whilst he looks at the heart of a polytheist man-worshipper and accepts it because he calls himself a "Christian".

Abu,

I am not saying that.

Not at all.



And i do not mind, if you present me in this forum, as making such a theological statement.

It does not bother me.

People can read my words.

Hopefully, they themselves, will comprehend, WHAT I HAVE SAID, and what i have tried to sincerely convey.



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Psalms 15:1
LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?
2  He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 29^th, 2011 at 3:27pm:

Quote: Then you have rocks for brains..this is what you envisage for Egypt.? Where did I say I envisage it? I said that's what's most likely to happen. The rest of your post is just absolute fantasy. Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini was not a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, and since the rest of your post relies on that, it falls apart right there.

Do some research you self opinionated, over inflated moron.

Since you've made the assertion, you need to back it up. I've never come across anyone claiming he was part of the MB.

Sounds like another of the "soup" theories that anti-Islamists often propagate.

Throw everything in the pot, mix it all up, and hope nobody notices.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 29^th, 2011 at 3:06pm:

Quote: There are 6+ billion souls on the earth, at this time. God looks into the hearts of all men, and is able to separate one soul from another. On this we can agree. Where we depart is that you think he looks at the sincere belief of the monotheist and rejects it, because they're Arabs or Muslims. Whilst he looks at the heart of a polytheist man-worshipper and accepts it because he calls himself a "Christian".

We must take responsibility, each of us, for what we choose, for what we embrace [within this life].

Moslems embrace a belief that they, all moslems, are 'in-covenant' with their god, Allah.

And moslems embrace a belief that their covenant with their god, Allah, makes it lawful for moslems to kill those who reject ISLAM.


It is 'lawful' for moslems to kill an 'unbeliever', not on the basis of merit [or lack of], but on the basis that an 'unbeliever' rejects ISLAM.
i.e.
On the basis that an 'unbeliever', is, an 'unbeliever'.

That authority is given to moslems, by ISLAM, and by the authority of ISLAMIC texts.




AS EXPOUNDED WITHIN THE KORAN;

1/    Koran 2.98 - "...Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." [i.e. 'Unbelief' is a crime.].
[ - - The enemy of moslems is identified. All of 'unbelieving' mankind, are the declared enemy of moslems.]

2/    Koran 47:8-11 - "...those who reject Allah have no protector."
[ - - Here, it is clearly stated to every good moslem, that moslem enmity, violence, and warfare, against 'those who reject Faith', is morally justified, and 'lawful'. /sarc off]

3/    Koran 4.74-76 - "...those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil:..."
[ - - Those who reject 'Faith' are ipso facto, 'rightly' deemed as being innately evil by ISLAM, and by Allah. Therefore those who reject 'Faith', are the rightful targets of moslem enmity, violence, and warfare.
...'those who reject Faith' are also described [Koran 4.74-76], as 'oppressors' and as, 'the friends of Satan'.]


And of course, the corollary of point #3, that, "...those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil:...", is therefore point #1, "...Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith.".





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When we come before God, it will be of no avail to us, to blame the local imam, saying;

"But the imam led me to believe that enmity with, and killing 'unbelievers' in the cause of Allah, was my covenant with God. The guilt is with the imam's which taught us these things."


"Then, on the Day of Judgment,.....Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily Allah knoweth all that ye did;"
Koran 16.27-28

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We must take responsibility, each of us, for what we choose, for what we embrace [within this life].

That's right... saying "But the council of Nicea decided we should worship a man as god" will avail you naught on the day of judgement.


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Moslems embrace a belief that they, all moslems, are 'in-covenant' with their god, Allah.

We do? Can you show me any Islamic texts which talk about covenants? I think you're projecting your own expectations of religion onto others. Biblical religions are based around the idea of covenants, Islam is not.


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And moslems embrace a belief that their covenant with their god, Allah, makes it lawful for moslems to kill those who reject ISLAM.

You're a real space cadet Yadda.

I notice that Egyptians are looting shops* and randomely stopping cars and looting* the car's passengers and anything of value in the car. Is this Islam's version of democracy?

*ABC News 7:45am Sunday 30/01/11.

Did you also happen to notice that the government is sending out agents in plain clothes to try and turn the protesters against one another? Did you also happen to notice that in some cases protesters made citizens arrests of looters, who were turned over to the army, and were found to be police officers?

I didn't think so. Nevermind doing the hard thinking, leave that up to others.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 28^th, 2011 at 7:27am:

With the successful revolution in Tunis, and now Egypt erupting on a daily basis, it seems the Arab world is in full scale revolt. The Western-backed tyrants are no longer welcome, the people are no longer willing to be dominated and oppressed to maintain the West's status quo in the region. "Enough being in power for [over] 30 years," protesters shouted during the demonstrations. They also referred to the ouster of Tunisian president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, saying he was "gone in just [over] 20 years".

Perhaps you think that the Egyptians fight for democracy will rid that country of its 'western backed tyrant', and substitute him for a 'non western backed tyrant'.
It doesn't matter, as it's the democratic process that they are really after.
Your dream of the Caliphate slips back even further Abu.

Democracy in Egypt can only be good for Muslims and bad for the West/Israel.

In case you haven't noticed, the only part who's done any good in Egyptian elections in the past is the Muslim Brotherhood. Do you honestly think the Egyptian people want to have cordial relations with the Zionist squatters who've taken over their neighbour's country? A government of the people can only spell disaster for the U.S & Israel, hence the reason they've backed this tyrant for the past 30 years.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 1:00pm:

Democracy in Egypt can only be good for Muslims and bad for the West/Israel. In case you haven't noticed, the only part who's done any good in Egyptian elections in the past is the Muslim Brotherhood. Do you honestly think the Egyptian people want to have cordial relations with the Zionist squatters who've taken over their neighbour's country? A government of the people can only spell disaster for the U.S & Israel, hence the reason they've backed this tyrant for the past 30 years.

I doubt that Abu...I seriously doubt the average Egyptian shop keeper or office worker or mechanic really cares what's happening in the neighbouring country.....Do we pay all that much attention to what happens in New Zealand???....No, we have enough to worry about in our own country.

So it's unlikely the ordinary Egyptians really care enough to start a war. So a real democracy in Egypt isn't any cause for alarm for Israel or America.......A Pseudo-Democracy (one of those totalitarian ones that pretends to be a democracy) on the other hand, might be a problem...

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 1:00pm:

Democracy in Egypt can only be good for Muslims and bad for the West/Israel. In case you haven't noticed, the only part who's done any good in Egyptian elections in the past is the Muslim Brotherhood. Do you honestly think the Egyptian people want to have cordial relations with the Zionist squatters who've taken over their neighbour's country? A government of the people can only spell disaster for the U.S & Israel, hence the reason they've backed this tyrant for the past 30 years.

Abu - is this the end of Israel?

Bobby, I don't know about the end, but I think their dreams of finally enjoying peace squatting in other people's homes, are drifting away.

Hezbollah has all but wrested power from the Western-backed secularists, Jordan is breaking out into demonstrations, Syria is blocking it's internet to prevent demonstrations, Turkey is becomign increasingly distant, and now Egypt is on the brink of revolution. Saudi Arabia has also seen some rare demonstrations, and Yemen has been erupting for about 3 or 4 days.

Pretty soon Israel is going to find that it is no longer shielded by the thin veil of U.S puppet dictators that once insulated it from the brothers of the Palestinians.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 5:04pm:

Bobby, I don't know about the end, but I think their dreams of finally enjoying peace squatting in other people's homes, are drifting away. Hezbollah has all but wrested power from the Western-backed secularists, Jordan is breaking out into demonstrations, Syria is blocking it's internet to prevent demonstrations, Turkey is becomign increasingly distant, and now Egypt is on the brink of revolution. Saudi Arabia has also seen some rare demonstrations, and Yemen has been erupting for about 3 or 4 days. Pretty soon Israel is going to find that it is no longer shielded by the thin veil of U.S puppet dictators that once insulated it from the brothers of the Palestinians.

Thanks Abu - we are watching history unfold.
Israel is in a lot of trouble.

Yeh this year is definitely going to have quite a few pages in the history books.

Well Israel has been in a lot of trouble anyway, since the facade of the PA has been shot to pieces, the chances of them convincing the Palestinians to accept them in their country is lost. I think Hamas will soon reclaim the West Bank, and if their fellow Ikhwaanis take power in Egypt, then it's all over red rover.

Expect dual citizen Israelis to begin heading back to their "other country" by the droves. We'll see a huge influx here no doubt, and the U.S will probably absorb the most.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 4:10pm:

Abu - is this the end of Israel?

Dream on! But one can only hope so.

Don't any of you blokes know the treachery of Israel?

You all seem to have short memories about their covert operations the world over.. but none more-so than in Palestine.

Here's some memory joggers that will keep you busy for awhile.

But first some pics to whet the apertite

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/palestine_terrorist.jpg
A (supposed) Palestinian terrorist, very pale skin, specs to hide blue eyes? wearing star of david??

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/FakedPassport.jpg
Australian passport used in Dubai assination of Hamas leader

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/TheStar911.gif
Some revealing reading about Israel

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/Icke48Israel2011.jpg

How would Aussies react if this was a map of Australia instead of Palestine

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/terrorist.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html

http://www.ussliberty.org/why.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/4640052/Israel-launches-covert-war-against-Iran.html

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 29^th, 2011 at 4:17pm:

Since you've made the assertion, you need to back it up. I've never come across anyone claiming he was part of the MB. Sounds like another of the "soup" theories that anti-Islamists often propagate. Throw everything in the pot, mix it all up, and hope nobody notices.

Abu not all Australians think like those here, some of us are very aware of Israel and what they are really up to and how they breed hate and suspicion against the people holding up their goal for world tyranny.

Hi Jan,
I don't know how Australia forgave Israel for using their passports to commit murder.

You are making some unusual comments about democracy Abu. You went to some length to explain how the Afghani people really oppose democracy and their own government (because the loonys represent the real people...). Here you seem to be contradicting yourself. Can you explain?


freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2011 at 9:20am:

Quote: I know one thing they don't want though, is another Western-backed puppet, and that's all that "true democracy" is going to bring. Can you explain this?

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 1:00pm:

Democracy in Egypt can only be good for Muslims and bad for the West/Israel.

Will Mamdouh Habib rush to Egypt to help steer this move to democracy? I believe Mr Habib was an Egyptian before he came to Australia seeking peace so does Mr Habib owe some input to this fledgling democracy movement?

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 8:53pm:

You are making some unusual comments about democracy Abu. You went to some length to explain how the Afghani people really oppose democracy and their own government (because the loonys represent the real people...). Here you seem to be contradicting yourself. Can you explain? freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:20am: Quote: I know one thing they don't want though, is another Western-backed puppet, and that's all that "true democracy" is going to bring. Can you explain this? abu_rashid wrote on Jan 30th, 2011 at 1:00pm: Democracy in Egypt can only be good for Muslims and bad for the West/Israel.

I can explain that easily, anyone who knows anything of the workings of politics today can.

We in the western world do not have a democracy never have and never will.

Democracy is government OF the PEOPLE, FOR the people. When did we ever tell the people to go to war. When did we ever make a new tax. When did we ever agree to sell our profit making utilies, and when did we give the pollies a salary rise ad intinitum.

We merely follow AmerIsrael and screw our farmers and genuine Aussie manufacturers in favour of the fascist American government who fund the State of Israel to the tune of 5 billions dollars annually.

Check out how many zionist jews are involved in our politics and that's doen't mean just politician but lobbyists, the media and multinational corporations'.

Take a look at the democracy we took to Iraq, Afghanistan, Viet nam not to mention the turmoil supposedly democractic countries have done to hundreds of other small and struggling countries we had no right to interfer with, simply because we didn't like the way their leaders ran their countries and wouldn't co-operate with trade in our favour.

Billions have died over the decades because of a democracy that never existed.

Ours is a democracy in name only. and if they take their democracy to Tunisia, Yemen, and Egypt it WILL NOT benefit us because it will take AmerIsrael closer to ownership of planet earth, and then what will happen to us when that happens? finish up like their other "friends"?

Remember Iraq ... they were friends, America actually funded and helped Saddam Hussein into power because they thought they could control his oil (for Israel). Then attacked after 10 years of sanctions and illegal bombings leaving Iraq a crippled country and easy pickings.

That could be us if the elite don't get their way over our enomous natural wealth ... They want it and they'll get it anyway they can ... That's our fate if we continue to close our eyes to their treachery.

Jan,


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How would Aussies react if this was a map of Australia instead of Palestine

That won't work. I've already tried making this analogy for them, but they're just too thick to get it. Until it actually happened to them, they would never comprehend the severity of the situation.


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Abu not all Australians think like those here, some of us are very aware of Israel

Being an Aussie myself, who's always been anti-Zionist, even before I embraced Islam, I'm well aware of that. :)


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Remember Iraq ... they were friends, America actually funded and helped Saddam Hussein into power because they thought they could control his oil (for Israel). Then attacked after 10 years of sanctions and illegal bombings leaving Iraq a crippled country and easy pickings. That could be us if the elite don't get their way over our enomous natural wealth ... They want it and they'll get it anyway they can ... That's our fate if we continue to close our eyes to their treachery.

Well said.

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You are making some unusual comments about democracy Abu. You went to some length to explain how the Afghani people really oppose democracy and their own government (because the loonys represent the real people...). Here you seem to be contradicting yourself. Can you explain?

Not really contradicting myself.

Afghanistan already has an Islamic movement (the resistance), which will expel the foreign occupiers.

Egypt does not. So the facade that is democracy, will give them a brief period in which to re-establish that. Therefore democracy, temporarily, will be good for them.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 31^st, 2011 at 3:17am:

Not really contradicting myself. Afghanistan already has an Islamic movement (the resistance), which will expel the foreign occupiers. Egypt does not. So the facade that is democracy, will give them a brief period in which to re-establish that. Therefore democracy, temporarily, will be good for them.

Has Australia's Foreign Affairs Minister been in contact with you? You sound like you have a direct feed to Egypt and the doings on the streets of beautiful downtown Cairo.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 29^th, 2011 at 6:37pm:

. Quote: Moslems embrace a belief that they, all moslems, are 'in-covenant' with their god, Allah. We do? Can you show me any Islamic texts which talk about covenants? I think you're projecting your own expectations of religion onto others. Biblical religions are based around the idea of covenants, Islam is not.

Dictionary;
covenant = = a solemn agreement. [Theology] an agreement held to be the basis of a relationship of commitment with God.


e.g.

"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed,..." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

i.e. Muhammad himself, is reported as saying that Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed.


"Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed,..."


"Quack, quack!"

It IS a duck [a covenant].



Google;
islamist suicide bomber many killed

...only 2.6 million hits
/sarc off



THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

salad in wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 9:26am:

. I notice that Egyptians are looting shops* and randomely stopping cars and looting* the car's passengers and anything of value in the car. Is this Islam's version of democracy? *ABC News 7:45am Sunday 30/01/11.

Salad,

Moslems cannot be responsible for these actions in Egypt.

Allah has declared, in the Koran, that all moslems are moral people;

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

And the inerrant Koran cannot be wrong!
/sarc off




Well if it isn't the moslems in Egypt who are tearing apart Egypt, then who could it be ????

I know.

It must be the non-moslems!
/sarc off

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 5:04pm:

. Bobby, I don't know about the end [of Israel], but I think their dreams of finally enjoying peace squatting in other people's homes, are drifting away. ....Pretty soon Israel is going to find that it is no longer shielded by the thin veil of U.S puppet dictators that once insulated it from the brothers of the Palestinians.

Indeed.



Google;
all nations will turn against israel




Numbers 24:14
And now, behold, I go unto my people: come therefore, and I will advertise thee what this people shall do to thy people in the latter days.

Numbers 24:20
And when he looked on Amalek, he took up his parable, and said, Amalek was the first of the nations; but his latter end shall be that he perish for ever.
21  And he looked on the Kenites, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwellingplace, and thou puttest thy nest in a rock.
22  Nevertheless the Kenite shall be wasted, until Asshur shall carry thee away captive.
23  And he took up his parable, and said, Alas, who shall live when God doeth this!

Jan wrote on Jan 31^st, 2011 at 2:28am:

freediver wrote on Jan 30th, 2011 at 8:53pm: You are making some unusual comments about democracy Abu. You went to some length to explain how the Afghani people really oppose democracy and their own government (because the loonys represent the real people...). Here you seem to be contradicting yourself. Can you explain? freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2011 at 9:20am: Quote: I know one thing they don't want though, is another Western-backed puppet, and that's all that "true democracy" is going to bring. Can you explain this? abu_rashid wrote on Jan 30th, 2011 at 1:00pm: Democracy in Egypt can only be good for Muslims and bad for the West/Israel. I can explain that easily, anyone who knows anything of the workings of politics today can. We in the western world do not have a democracy never have and never will. Democracy is government OF the PEOPLE, FOR the people. When did we ever tell the people to go to war. When did we ever make a new tax. When did we ever agree to sell our profit making utilies, and when did we give the pollies a salary rise ad intinitum. We merely follow AmerIsrael and screw our farmers and genuine Aussie manufacturers in favour of the fascist American government who fund the State of Israel to the tune of 5 billions dollars annually. Check out how many zionist jews are involved in our politics and that's doen't mean just politician but lobbyists, the media and multinational corporations'.

You might want to check under your bed Jan, there might be a jew skulking their ready to take what's yours if your not watching. ;D
If you want someone to blame for the decline of Australian manufacturers, you might want to look closer to home than thinking it's the fault of the US government.
It was our greedy corparations that decided to close down our plants and reopen them in SE Asia or India, and has nothing to do with the US.
It has everything however to do with profit margins.
The democratic government 'of the people, for the people' is a US style democracy, and has no relevence to this country which has it's roots in the UK system.
And no country on the planet has a system where the 'people' are the ones that make the decisions, so I'm not sure where your at there.
NO government on the planet consults with the 'people' on EVERY decision they make.
In some countries, consultation by the government is a luxury.
You mention the 5 billion dollars of US funding to Israel, but what about the 50 billion of US funding in total to Egypt since 1975.
Or the funding by the US of many countries throughout the world.
But of course, they are not jews who you believe wish to take over the world.
Whether you like it or not, Israel is the bulwark that take the brunt of Islamic extremism, and many European leaders sleep easier at night knowing Israel is taking the missile strikes.
And that alone makes Israel a nation worth defending and supporting.

Jan wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 6:50pm:

. Abu not all Australians think like those here, some of us are very aware of Israel and what they are really up to and how they breed hate and suspicion against the people holding up their goal for world tyranny.

The Jewish people were ALWAYS the 'scapegoat'.

The Jewish people have ALWAYS had a more difficult path, than other mankind, for a reason, for a purpose.

That is the curse, and the burden, which the Jewish people have carried, for thousands of years.

That has always been the reason for the persecution of the Jewish people, by other men.

The Jewish people were ALWAYS, a scapegoat, for the wickedness of mankind.



In the hearts of all mankind there is a 'line in the sand' which separates Israel, and ISLAMISTS.

ISLAM itself, today, is calling everyday, on all of mankind, to side WITH ISLAM, AND, AGAINST ISRAEL.

Why can't the wicked see that truth ???

AND, SEE WHAT IT MEANS.


Leviticus 20:24
...I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people.


The God of Israel is separating his people, from mankind.

Mankind, are choosing.

Their own choice, will determine which side of that 'line in the sand', that they stand upon.

Yes, Jan and Abu, democracy in the Middle-East IS a threat to Western imperialism, but no one's going to get that.

Look at what Iran got when it ousted its US puppet and tried a revolution. I can't speak for the majority of Persians, but they seem pretty fed up to me. Now they all want "democracy".

No one gets democracy. Sure, a watered-down neoliberal concept like liberal-democracy is better than a theocracy like Iran. Of course, there's always the Caliphate.

Caliphate anyone? Abu?

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2011 at 12:58pm:

THE RELIGION OF PEACE http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Is that the best you can come up with Yadda?

A jewish site telling lies or twisting the truth and leaving out their own crimes.

Here is the 'saintly' jews you align yourself with and consequently every other person prepared to listen to this kind of garbage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zwoRWivRcI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwGlsMLV_0c&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1an4cP1-_us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91BGxd7ygac&feature=related

I DARE YOU to watch these videos (all of them to the end) and come up with something worse in the qur'an.

These jews (the filth and slime of humanity) are involved in OUR government and helping to form OUR laws and wars. They teach and preach with love and understanding while implementing terror through their allies ... like the ministers of war who never face the enemy themselves. They wreak out pity for the holohoax yet preach that the past is past and IRRELEVANT in todays world ... they even have laws that can send you to PRISON for criticising them or dare to speak the truth... It's called anti-semitism ... even the concept is wrong and a lie because Arabs are semites too but you wont go to prison for criicising them, they'd probably give you a medal.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xx6GmWW8usEJ:www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D9zPyxh79RcI+Admits+harvesting+palestinian+organs&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&source=www.google.com.au

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2011 at 1:41pm:

all nations will turn against israel

And that is what they WANT. They wrote it an now they are fullfilling prophesy so they can annhilate every country that has been the fly in the ointment and prolonging their 'GLOBALIZATION' plans.

They want it all and that includes what's ours.

And you and their supporters are the ones who will bring us down. To them we ar the GOYIM (meaning beast or cattle) ... and our mothers are Shiksas (whores).

Read the protocols and learn how they have done it. This is an easy to read version.

http://iamthewitness.com/Protocols-in-Modern-English.htm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 31^st, 2011 at 1:54pm:

You might want to check under your bed Jan, there might be a jew skulking their ready to take what's yours if your not watching. ;D

I do! often. Well under the propaganda and between the lines anyway, maybe that's why I am more informed.


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If you want someone to blame for the decline of Australian manufacturers, you might want to look closer to home than thinking it's the fault of the US government. It was our greedy corparations that decided to close down our plants and reopen them in SE Asia or India, and has nothing to do with the US.

We don't have large corporations anymore they've been swallowed up by the zionist corporations, and if you don't know what zionism is then you had better hurry and find out because we are running out of time to own anything anymore. Were even buying back pieces of Telstra for more than we sold it to foriegn interests (for the broadband project).
Our greedy corporations haven't been our for yonks and they were moved offshore by the parent companies. I suggest you learn a little more about Aussie business before we lose everything


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It has everything however to do with profit margins.

Yes indeed it does profits that go to the foriegn parent companies and never a cent for Oz.


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The democratic government 'of the people, for the people' is a US style democracy, and has no relevence to this country which has it's roots in the UK system.

Sorry mate your as wrong as you could be DEMOCRACY was introduced by the GREEKS. You rely too heavily on the zionist own media.
And we haven't aligned ourselves to Britain since the zionists took over the US goverment.


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And no country on the planet has a system where the 'people' are the ones that make the decisions, so I'm not sure where your at there. NO government on the planet consults with the 'people' on EVERY decision they make.

And you can't see the answer in your reply? Where have you been all these take-over years? And your wrong about people making decisions. SWITZERLAND (the intenational bankers haven) has a CIR system (Citizens Initiated Referendum), and the people have referendums and DECIDE what they want EVERY FOUR MONTHS. I've been there and seen it at work.


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In some countries, consultation by the government is a luxury.

When was the last time you or I were consulted (about anything) ... a luxury indeed.


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You mention the 5 billion dollars of US funding to Israel, but what about the 50 billion of US funding in total to Egypt since 1975.

That's over a 10 year period and for a population of 83 million compared to 7 million israelis (that's $25 billion), per population that's around 6x more for isreal, and the Us also funds the israeli war machine over and above their 'aide' funding. Israel is the third largest Nuclear power in the world. Check out what Peres told some pupuls about Israel being the best economy in the world ... so why do thery get the $5 billion AIDE 'annually'?
Ever stop to think that as an Arab nation and a neighbour of Palestine why Egypt upholds Israeli policy ... Guess what would happen to their funding if they bucked the system?


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Or the funding by the US of many countries throughout the world. But of course, they are not jews who you believe wish to take over the world.

No they''re just the jews puppet. Australia gives more aide in proportion to population than the US does, 20 million compared to 300 million ...Do you rour sums. America is the least generous funder of the western world,.ask any savvy American.


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Whether you like it or not, Israel is the bulwark that take the brunt of Islamic extremism, and many European leaders sleep easier at night knowing Israel is taking the missile strikes.

You have yourself a dare mate, you show me absolute proof from a NON jewish source of the sufferink' of the jews, and I'll show you proof to the contrary. I never post what I can't prove.


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And that alone makes Israel a nation worth defending and supporting.

Tell me that after watching the videos I supplied to Yadda on this thread.

Hi Jan,
The Jews are pretty scary - read this:

http://www.rense.com/general34/esde.htm



Quote:

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets of our air force." Iran has never made such a remark (or threat) and yet we are told the country is a threat to world peace. "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother," Van Crevel explained. "Our armed forces are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that this will happen before Israel goes under."

Bobby. wrote on Jan 31^st, 2011 at 8:16pm:

Hi Jan, The Jews are pretty scary - read this: http://www.rense.com/general34/esde.htm Quote: We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets of our air force." Iran has never made such a remark (or threat) and yet we are told the country is a threat to world peace. "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother," Van Crevel explained. "Our armed forces are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that this will happen before Israel goes under."

Oh bobby....rense???

Hi Gizmo,
Google the words & you'll find them on hundreds of sites - not just rense.
This is a true story.

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2011 at 2:08pm:

[The Jewish people were ALWAYS the 'scapegoat'. The Jewish people have ALWAYS had a more difficult path, than other mankind, for a reason, for a purpose. That is the curse, and the burden, which the Jewish people have carried, for thousands of years. That has always been the reason for the persecution of the Jewish people, by other men. The Jewish people were ALWAYS, a scapegoat, for the wickedness of mankind.

Oh geez Yadda I'm sorry if I have offended thee I knew not that you were a jew.


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Leviticus 20:24 ...I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people. The God of Israel is separating his people, from mankind. Mankind, are choosing. Their own choice, will determine which side of that 'line in the sand', that they stand upon.

Yep the SELF appointed 'chosen ones' so they can unleash their abominations on the rest of the world with no recriminations.... bloody anti-semites "We'll show them a thing or two".

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2011 at 8:31pm:

Oh bobby....rense???

Better still watch the videos

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 31^st, 2011 at 3:17am:

Quote: You are making some unusual comments about democracy Abu. You went to some length to explain how the Afghani people really oppose democracy and their own government (because the loonys represent the real people...). Here you seem to be contradicting yourself. Can you explain? Not really contradicting myself. Afghanistan already has an Islamic movement (the resistance), which will expel the foreign occupiers. Egypt does not. So the facade that is democracy, will give them a brief period in which to re-establish that. Therefore democracy, temporarily, will be good for them.

So democracy in general is a facade? What for?


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Caliphate anyone? Abu?

Obviously Abu wants one. But he will no doubt whinge about the 'evil west' interfering with it and turning it into a dictatorship that is not pure Islam, as opposed to a 'perfect' Islamic one. Then call for democracy to once again let the will of the people be heard, so they can take democracy away, because this is good for Muslims. Apparently Islam is practical like that.

This pro-democracy movement in Egypt may be successful and have its brief moment in the sun, but you can be sure that the dead hand of islam will crush it sooner rather than later. Witness how the Mulsim Brotherhood has jumped on the bandwagon, not through any love of democracy but to ensure its own control of the 'revolution'.

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2011 at 9:17pm:

Quote: Caliphate anyone? Abu? Obviously Abu wants one. But he will no doubt whinge about the 'evil west' interfering with it and turning it into a dictatorship that is not pure Islam, as opposed to a 'perfect' Islamic one. Then call for democracy to once again let the will of the people be heard, so they can take democracy away, because this is good for Muslims. Apparently Islam is practical like that.

Exactly. Of course, the Middle East has just as much chance of getting a caliphate as it does of getting democracy.

What the Arab states are most likely to get if they resist their governments are military regimes. This is what you get when you topple US puppets. The elites have a word with the generals and everyone gets sent home.

Like Abu, I'd love to see the Saudis go, but this will never happen. The stakes are too high. With all that US investment and military training, forget about it. Egypt too. It's not about US control or even influence, it's about the quiet interests of the oligarchs. The US are interested in only one thing: business. Forget the clash of civilizations, forget the Axis of Evil, forget the War On Terror, the business of Amerika is business.

And lets face it, rich Arabs are no different.

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2011 at 1:41pm:

[Google;all nations will turn against israel

Better than that, here's a BBC Documentary all about Israeli DEMOCRACY ... the democracy being imposed on Middle Eastern countries by the US ... It talks about Egypt and the secrecy surounding Israels nuclear capacity, but more importantly this is an OLD doco so who knows what the jews have in store for the rest of the world today.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/38763/Israels_Secret_Weapon___BBC_Documentary__TV_rip_/

The hyperlink doesn't show the full URL so it may have to be copied and pasted.

Learn about the real democracy that so many advocate but know nothing about.

Another BBC Documentary it's in two parts each an hour long but well worth the watch

http://polidics.com/cia/how-to-scare-the-poo-out-of-america-and-make-them-do-anything.html#comments

This one explains the creation of al Qaeda and all things democratic.

Jan wrote on Jan 31^st, 2011 at 9:04pm:

. Oh geez Yadda I'm sorry if I have offended thee I knew not that you were a jew.

Jan,
As you say, you know not.


+++


Jan wrote on Jan 31^st, 2011 at 9:04pm:

. Quote: Leviticus 20:24 ...I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people. The God of Israel is separating his people, from mankind. Mankind, are choosing. Their own choice, will determine which side of that 'line in the sand', that they stand upon. Yep the SELF appointed 'chosen ones' so they can unleash their abominations on the rest of the world with no recriminations.... bloody anti-semites "We'll show them a thing or two".

"...the SELF appointed 'chosen ones' " ???

That is an interesting interpretation Jan, but in fact the O.T. bible is not, and never was, an endorsement or declaration of the [self] importance of the nation and people of ancient Israel.
NOR, is it an endorsement of the 'worth' of the modern Jewish people.

Deuteronomy 9:4
Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.
5  Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
6  Understand therefore, that the LORD thy God giveth thee not this good land to possess it for thy righteousness; for thou art a stiffnecked people.



Jan, you seem to [want to] believe that the  the O.T. bible reads, as a Zionist text [i.e. a moral endorsement of the Jewish people].
It does not.

Throughout its pages, the O.T. bible reveals, essentially a condemnation of the nation of Israel and her people.
The accounts recorded within the O.T. bible reveals that the nation of Israel and her people comprehensively failed to adhere to their covenant, with their God.
Throughout its pages, the O.T. reveals that the nation of Israel and her people, were just as corrupt, and just as corruptible, as all other men.



Psalms 106:6
We have sinned with our fathers, we have committed iniquity, we have done wickedly.
7  Our fathers understood not thy wonders in Egypt; they remembered not the multitude of thy mercies; but provoked him at the sea, even at the Red sea.
8  Nevertheless he saved them for his name's sake, that he might make his mighty power to be known.
9  He rebuked the Red sea also, and it was dried up: so he led them through the depths, as through the wilderness.
10  And he saved them from the hand of him that hated them, and redeemed them from the hand of the enemy.
...
34  They did not destroy the nations, concerning whom the LORD commanded them:
35  But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works.
36  And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them.
37  Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
38  And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
39  Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions.


And Jan, in relation to your own expressed opinions in this forum;
My opinion, is that, the [false] opinions we hold, and the [false] opinions we broadcast, reveal much about ourselves, and about the 'worth' of our own 'worldview'.

I am not Jewish, but i would stand beside a Jewish person any day, rather than stand beside a person who is [imo] so utterly mistaken and deluded, as yourself.

The Jewish people are far from perfect, BUT, their forefathers are the people to whom our God, chose to reveal himself.
I know that is true.
There is a reason that God chose to reveal himself to the forefathers of the Jewish people.
I understand that reason, you obviously, still, do not.
Read the first book of the O.T. bible, that is where the 'reveal' is.

"Our fathers understood not thy wonders in Egypt;"

Jan wrote on Jan 31^st, 2011 at 6:30pm:

. Yadda wrote on Jan 31st, 2011 at 1:41pm: . all nations will turn against israel And that is what they WANT. They wrote it an now they are fullfilling prophesy so they can annhilate every country that has been the fly in the ointment and prolonging their 'GLOBALIZATION' plans. They want it all and that includes what's ours. And you and their supporters are the ones who will bring us down. To them we ar the GOYIM (meaning beast or cattle) ... and our mothers are Shiksas (whores). Read the protocols and learn how they have done it. This is an easy to read version. http://iamthewitness.com/Protocols-in-Modern-English.htm

Jan,

In standing with the 'Palestinian' people, these [below] are the people that you have chosen to stand with;


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And then, these people [above] are want to blame the 'Zionists', FOR THE MURDER OF THEIR OWN CHILDREN.

This is called 'projection', i.e. it is the projection of our own guilt, onto others.
Wicked people do this.
Wicked people commit some wicked act, and then they project the guilt of their own actions, onto others.

Q.
Why do they do this?

A.
Wicked people never, ever, accept responsibility for their own actions, for the consequences of their own choices.
They make SCAPEGOATS of others.


"Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions."
Psalms 106

You're all a bunch of knuckleheads. Interesting events are happening before your eyes and all you can blather on about is the same old crap.

We're currently witnessing an entirely new phenomenon in world history. Of course, grassroots calls for democratic reform are nothing new. What is new is that it seems to be working. The Egyptian army chief came out yesterday in support of the people.

I can't remember this ever happening - perhaps the end of the Cold War in some Eastern European states comes close, the Velvet Revolution in the Czech Republic for example. In Egypt, so far: no Tienamin Squares, no military coups, no civil war, no Bolshevik-style takeovers.

So far.

The question is begging: why? And why now? What forces are driving all this? The fact that this is a cross-border phenomenon shows that power is not contained within nation states.

It's amusing to see the US getting all nervous. This is exactly what they said the invasion of Iraq would produce; spreading "freedom and democracy" throughout the region.

Clearly, you can't impose democracy on a state or people. This Arab phenomenon shows that democracy can come from the ground up, but I'm not really sure what forces have fertilized it. The internet has been a strong enabler, but this is just a way of connecting people and sharing information. Al Jazeera last night was showing how organised the protesters are. Crowds in Cairo are being searched for weapons by civilian volunteers. This appears to be a genuinely civil movement, neighbours and local people coming together and organising themselves.

So far, from the reports I'm seeing, this also has nothing to do with religion - at least in an organised, power-based sense. Of course, this could change very quickly in the vacuum that will arise. What will happen next is anybody's guess.

Yadda wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 8:27am:

Throughout its pages, the O.T. bible reveals, essentially a condemnation of the nation of Israel and her people. The accounts recorded within the O.T. bible reveals that the nation of Israel and her people comprehensively failed to adhere to their covenant, with their God. Throughout its pages, the O.T. reveals that the nation of Israel and her people, were just as corrupt, and just as corruptible, as all other men.

OT, NT makes no difference they were written by MEN ie Jewish men. they usurped a polytheistic belief and replaced it with a monotheist religion and wrote the bible (much later) as if it was the word of one g-d, but in reality 'they' were the g-d.

The bible is a control and a very good one and has been the source of this worlds woes since it's inception.

However the true torah jews know that ZIONISM is the enemy of the world and say so loud and clear. The Israeli's today are NOT Israelites, they never had their origins in the so called holy land ... they are Ashkenazis, proselyte khazarians. Baron Walter Rothschild  was an Ashkenazi and they have no right to possess the 'holy' land. ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/statements/20080123.cfm

Zionist Massacre in Gaza
January 2008
Neturei Karta is always committed to voice the traditional Religious Jewish opposition to the philosophy of Zionism and the existence of the state of "Israel".

According to the Torah teachings, Jews are in exile by divine decree. They are forbidden to leave exile and create their own state by physical means. Secondly, Jewish law forbids Jews to rebel against any other nations. Jews are required to be loyal citizens in the countries in which they reside. Hence, the state of "Israel" is forbidden.

The creation of the state of "Israel" transgresses these and other basic principles of Torah law. It was established on the land of others, totally against the will of its indigenous population, the Palestinian people, with endless and continuous oppression of its people, including murder, brutal beating, confiscation of their properties and baseless imprisonment etc.

Therefore religious Jewish leaders have always and continually oppose Zionism and the state of Israel. They predicted that only tragedy and bloodshed will be its result, G-d should protect us.

The state of "Israel" has no right to rule over any part of the Holy Land. The entire land should be restored to the indigenous Palestinian people, with the Almighty's help, peacefully.

In reference to the current tragic situation in Gaza, Neturei Karta in Jerusalem issued several documents to clarify the religious Torah position against the crimes committed by the state of "Israel" and to express that the state of "Israel" should not exist and does not represent the traditional Jewish community.

(Read letter to Honorable Doctor Mamoud Al-Zahar from Neturei Karta USA and Canada.)

Following is a letter that was sent to the Secretary General of the United Nations.

Neturei Karta of the Orthodox Jewry
Jerusalem, Palestine

Jan 21, 08

URGENT LETTER TO THE ESTEEMED SECRETARY GENERAL OF THE UNITED NATIONS, THE HONORABLE BAN-KI MOON
FROM ORTHODOX JEWS IN JERUSALEM AND WORLDWIDE ABOUT THE CURRENT ZIONIST ONSLAUGHT AGAINST THE PALESTINIANS IN GAZA

Dear Hon. Secretary-General:

It is with a heavy heart that we write you from the city of Jerusalem. For sixty years the authorities of what is mischaracterized as the "Jewish State" have been undertaking a vicious campaign of oppression and ethnic cleansing against millions of Palestinians who currently still live in historic Palestine and who are refugees from Palestine in other countires. And they have been committing all these crimes in the name of the ancient and holy Jewish religion!

For sixty years the State of Israel been desecrating and violating our sacred religion! For sixty years the State of Israel has been flaunting international law and United Nation General Assembly and Security Council resolutions! For sixty years they have been bringing Mankind to the edge of world war, claiming to do so in the name of Judaism!

Even today, as we write this letter, the Zionist regime is waging an unrelenting war of starvation and suffering against the people of Gaza. In the name of the sacred values of the Jewish religion we cry out to the international community and especially the great powers and the United Nations: Please use your skills to finally stop the vicious and insane campaigns of the State of Israel against the Palestinians whose suffering worsens from one day to the next under the heavy hand of occupation and oppression, ethnic cleansing and discrimination!

Mr. Secretary-General, we beseech you to use your offices to work with world leaders to stop this mad campaign of collective punishment and oppression! Our holy religion teaches us values that are the utter opposite of those of the State of Israel: we are taught by our Torah to live in harmony and brotherhood, friendship and neighborliness.

The State of Israel is trying to use its military power to preserve its ethnocracy and is demanding that the world community watch silently as they continue to hammer the Palestinian People year after year with the most sophisticated weapons of war. This cannot go on any lo

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 12:06pm:

The question is begging: why? And why now? What forces are driving all this? The fact that this is a cross-border phenomenon shows that power is not contained within nation states. It's amusing to see the US getting all nervous. This is exactly what they said the invasion of Iraq would produce; spreading "freedom and democracy" throughout the region. Clearly, you can't impose democracy on a state or people. This Arab phenomenon shows that democracy can come from the ground up, but I'm not really sure what forces have fertilized it. The internet has been a strong enabler, but this is just a way of connecting people and sharing information. Al Jazeera last night was showing how organised the protesters are. Crowds in Cairo are being searched for weapons by civilian volunteers. This appears to be a genuinely civil movement, neighbours and local people coming together and organising themselves.

It's the same with all the nations where the US has interfered with the leadership and installed the leader of their choice. People forget Pinochet, Saddam Hussein, the Taliban ... And let us not forget PM Gough Whitlam.

• Year Country.. Reason Given .. Actual Reason
  1949 Syria, Communism, Elected government against USA political interests and pro-Palestinian.
  1949 Greece, Communism, Elected government against USA political and economic interests.
  1952 Cuba, None Elected government against USA business interests.
  1953 Iran, None, Elected government against USA oil interests.
  1953 British Guyana, None, Access to sugar and bauxite.
  1954 Guatemala, Communism, Elected government against USA business interests.
  1955 South Vietnam, Communism, French backed leader replaced by USA backed leader.
  1957 Haiti, Haiti is near the USA, Previous government against USA business interests.
  1958 Laos, None, Pro-USA government wanted.
  1959 Laos, None, Pro-USA government wanted.
  1960 South Korea, Communism, Previous leader not strong enough for USA.
  1960 Laos, None, Pro-USA government wanted.
  1960 Ecuador, Communism, Previous government too independent in foreign policy.
  1963 Dominican Republic, Business Interests, Elected government against USA business interests.
  1963 South Vietnam, None, Previous leader's policies led to televised suicides.
  1963 Honduras, Communism, Pro-USA government and access to resources.
  1963 Guatemala, Communism, Military government was about to allow elections.
  1963 Ecuador, None, Elected government too independent.
  1964 Brazil, Communism, Access to resources and cheap labour.
  1964 Bolivia, Communism, Previous government too independent in foreign policy.
  1965 Zaire, None, Access to cobalt, copper and diamonds.
  1966 Ghana, None, Previous government too independent in foreign policy.
  1967 Greece, None, Military bases.
  1970 Cambodia, None, Previous king against USA political interests.
  1970 Bolivia, None, Country took ownership of its oil and tin.
  1972 El Salvador, Communism, Elected leader against USA business interests.
  1973 Chile, Communism, Elected government against USA business interests.
  1975 Australia, None, Elected government had unsuitable foreign policy.
  1979 South Korea, None, Pro-USA government wanted.
  1980 Liberia, Democracy, Pro-USA government wanted.
  1982 Chad, None, Pro-USA government wanted.
  1983 Grenada, Democracy, Pro-USA government wanted.
  1987 Fiji, Democracy Previous elected government supported nuclear-free Pacific.
  2002 Venezuela, None, Disagreed with foreign policy of elected government.
  2004 Haiti, Fraudulent elections, Disagreed with economic policy of elected government.
  2009 Honduras, Attempted to Change Constitution, Disagreed with economic and foreign policy of elected government.

You'd think the world would wake up to what the US agenda is after all these "COUPS"
Yet the uninformed stay uninformed and give their lives over to the very thing that will crush them like a bug if they dare resist.

True. And I'm guessing the CIA and US Defense Intelligence are very busy beavers over in the Middle East right now.

Do they still have the funds, however, to install their man? Western government mouthpieces are all using the same phrase: "orderly transition." While they mean no civil wars, they also mean "security and stability," which means not upsetting the markets.

Which means, I think, that they don't have a viable stooge waiting in the wings. This, if you recall, was why they kept Saddam in power after the Gulf War, and why they held off calling elections for so long after Operation Desert Storm.

I'm guessing that the US are just as suprised and caught off-guard as everyone else.

Freedom and democracy might sound nice, but it's a different matter entirely when you've got no say over it.

Jan wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 12:42pm:

[quote author=Yadda link=1296163674/45#57 date=1296599264] The state of "Israel" has no right to rule over any part of the Holy Land. The entire land should be restored to the indigenous Palestinian people, with the Almighty's help, peacefully.

Ahhh...the Fakeastinians...here is a solution...take all the Fakeastinians out of Gaza and have them migrate to Janland.
I am still trying to work out the 'Onslaught'...as the population of Gaza is still increasing the Israelis must be doing a crap job at onslaughting.


An exchange of one dictator for another one...Egypt will be doing the same thing in another 20 to 30 years.  

Beertruk wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 8:36pm:

The state of "Israel" has no right to rule over any part of the Holy Land. The entire land should be restored to the indigenous Palestinian people, with the Almighty's help, peacefully. Ahhh...the Fakeastinians...here is a solution...take all the Fakeastinians out of Gaza and have them migrate to Janland. I am still trying to work out the 'Onslaught'...as the population of Gaza is still increasing the Israelis must be doing a crap job at onslaughting. An exchange of one dictator for another one...Egypt will be doing the same thing in another 20 to 30 years.

Fakeastinians?? Beertruk were you on the beer truck when you read the above phrase? That was a speech written by a JEW, a true Torah Jew RABBI. Go to the Neturei Karta website and learn for yourself what REAL Jews think about the FAKE Jews called ZIONISTS and the so-called 'State of Israel'.

The population in Gaza is being increased by Israeli SETTLERS taking over even more palestinian land ... The small amount of land left of PALESTINE have been in decline for decades.

Learn the hisory of Palestine before making a fool of yourself further. and Janland happens to be AUSTRALIA.

This map shows Palestinian LOSS of land from 1946 (palestinian in Green, small white dots is the land given to the Jews by Britain with no consult with Palestinians) ... to 2000 the small green dots Palestine, the white area is now JEWISH, and that has grown even larger since 2000. Gaza is that smal green area bottom left, on the map of the Fake of Israel.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/Political/Israel_stealing_palestine.jpg

You know bugger all about the state of Israel, or you wouldn't make such stupid comments.

"The state of "Israel" has no right to rule over any part of the Holy Land. The entire land should be restored to the indigenous Palestinian people, with the Almighty's help, peacefully."

I thought the Jews are the indigenous population of the Holy Land. Or are all those historical records and archaeological evidence wrong?

Karnal wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 4:14pm:

Do they still have the funds, however, to install their man? Western government mouthpieces are all using the same phrase: "orderly transition." While they mean no civil wars, they also mean "security and stability," which means not upsetting the markets. Which means, I think, that they don't have a viable stooge waiting in the wings. This, if you recall, was why they kept Saddam in power after the Gulf War, and why they held off calling elections for so long after Operation Desert Storm.

They would have the funds because they are funded by the Jewish bankers but the right 'stooge' could prove problematical as most of the 'candidates' would be wary of a 'friendly' US, and the US would want an obedient puppet.


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Freedom and democracy might sound nice, but it's a different matter entirely when you've got no say over it.

I agree entirely, I think everyone is surprised at the peaceful (so far) uprising. But I fear that it will turn nasty if the Mossad and CIA infiltrators have their way.

How would Jewish bankers fund the CIA? Their budget comes from the Internal Revenue Service.

Jewish bankers may well send money to some Israeli welfare service, but the CIA or US army? Come on.

Mossad, on the other hand, must be shaking in their Amerikan-made boots right now, and you can bet your grandmother's falafel recipe that they're up to something.

Karnal wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 12:25pm:

How would Jewish bankers would fund the CIA? Their budget comes from the Internal Revenue Service. Jewish bankers may well send money to some Israeli welfare service, but the CIA or US army? Come on. Mossad must be shaking in their Amerikan-made boots right now, and you can bet your grandmother's falafel recipe that they're up to something.

And the Internal revenue get their funding from the American government via the Jewish banks.
Perhaps a review of the American fiat money system is in order, and who owns and rules America.

The IMF world bank, the American Federal Reserve bank and every other Inernational banking system are "privately owned" and although they may use the services of other 'interests' as their CEO's and managers the owners are Jews or Zionist.

As too are the 'major' media outlets, newspapers, magazines, films, television, radio, recording studios etc ... and the reason you never get Jewish criticism and muslim biased reports.

Start with this http://hubpages.com/hub/Mayer_Amschel_Bauer

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I thought the Jews are the indigenous population of the Holy Land. Or are all those historical records and archaeological evidence wrong?

Possibly, 2000 years ago.

Just like my ancestors were possibly indigenous to Germany 2000 years ago... I've got no evidence or proof of where exactly because my ancestors obviously left that region 2000 years ago and ended up in the British Isles, and then eventually here, but I think I'll go boot some family out of their home in Hamburg because my ancestors may or may not have lived in Hamburg 2000 odd years ago... my right... right?

http://www.aussiemuslims.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3507&d=1296733151

Christian Egyptians form a protective ring around Muslims who are engaging in their afternoon prayer.

Belgarion wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2011 at 10:58am:

I thought the Jews are the indigenous population of the Holy Land. Or are all those historical records and archaeological evidence wrong?

http://www.nkusa.org/activities/speeches/index.cfm

ORTHODOX JEWS CONDEMN ZIONISM  
Talk given by Rabbi Ahron Cohen of Neturei Karta UK, at Luton, Bedfordshire UK, on the 28th July '02 under the auspices of the Islamic Human Rights Commission (Luton Branch).                                  
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/Political/cohen_sm.jpg

My friends!

We are here today to protest against the terrible wrongs being perpetrated against the Palestinian People by the Zionist illegitimate regime in Palestine.

I am an orthodox Jew involved in ecclesiastical duties within the Jewish Community.
 
Representatives of Neturei Karta take part in protests, which draw attention to Arab and Muslim pain, whenever they can. The Neturei Karta would like to express its solidarity with its Muslim brothers and explain the following points:

The ideology of Zionism and its practical outcome in the form of the State known as ‘Israel’ is completely alien to Judaism and the Jewish Faith.

The apparent connection between Judaism and Zionism is false. The connection has been nurtured by the Zionists in order to ensnare as many Jews as possible within their net. For this reason many orthodox Jews avoid referring to the Zionist State by the name ’Israel’.

The Zionists have made themselves to appear as the representatives and spokespeople of all Jews thus, because of their actions, arousing animosity against the Jews. But, this is simply not true! Zionism is not Judaism. Zionists cannot speak in the name of Jews.

Zionism in general and its conduct against the Arabs, Muslims and wider world is totally contrary to the teachings of the religion, beliefs and hopes of the Jewish people.

For the last two thousand years or so the Jewish people have been in a state of exile decreed by the A-lmighty. The Jews were exiled from their land because they did not maintain the standards expected of them. This state of exile is the situation that exists right up to the present day. It is a basic part of our belief to accept willingly the Heavenly decree of exile and not to try and fight against it. In practical terms, exile for us means that Jews must be loyal subjects of the countries in which they live and not attempt to rule over the established indigenous populations of those countries. And of course this includes Palestine.

The Zionist movement founded approximately 100 years ago based on secular nationalistic aims was a complete abandonment of our religious teachings and faith - in general - and in particular regarding our approach to the peoples among whom we live.

It follows, therefore, that the Jewish people have no right to rule today in Palestine.

According to the Torah and Jewish faith, the present Palestinian Arab claim to rule in Palestine is right and just. The Zionist claim is wrong and criminal.

One must add to this wrong, the fact that in order to achieve an ill conceived nationalistic ambition, a shocking contravention of natural justice was committed by the Zionists in setting up an illegitimate regime in Palestine completely against the wishes of the established population, the Palestinians, which inevitably had to be based on loss of life, killing and stealing.

We want to tell the world, especially our Muslim neighbours, that there is no hatred or animosity between Jew and Muslim. We wish to live together as friends and neighbours as we have done mostly over hundreds even thousands of years in all the Arab countries. It was only the advent of the Zionists and Zionism which upset this age old relationship.

The Zionist oppression, abuse and murder of Arabs is a tragedy not only for the Palestinians but for the Jewish people as well.

It must therefore be clear that opposition to Zionism and its crimes does not imply hatred of Jews. On the contrary Zionism itself and its deeds are the biggest threat to Judaism. Zionism hates Judaism. Zionism has turned many Jewish believers into atheists and warmongers.

Together we must work so as not to allow the Zionists to fuel the fires of hatred between Arab and Jew. That is what they want and we must not let them succeed.

The Zionist State known as “Israel” is a regime that has no right to exist. Its continuing existence is the underlying cause of the strife in Palestine.

We pray for an end to bloodshed, an end to the suffering of our Palestinian brethren and all innocent people worldwide.

We are waiting for the annulment of Zionism and the dismantling of the Zionist regime, and would welcome the opportunity to dwell in peace in the holy land under a rule which is entirely in accordance with the wishes and aspirations of the Palestinian People.

May we soon merit the time when all mankind will be at peace with each other.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/Political/Icke6.jpg

NETUREI KARTA - LONDON U.K.
www.netureikarta.org
E-Mail: info@netureikarta.org

Jan wrote on Feb 4^th, 2011 at 4:13am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 3rd, 2011 at 12:25pm: How would Jewish bankers would fund the CIA? Their budget comes from the Internal Revenue Service. Jewish bankers may well send money to some Israeli welfare service, but the CIA or US army? Come on. Mossad must be shaking in their Amerikan-made boots right now, and you can bet your grandmother's falafel recipe that they're up to something. And the Internal revenue get their funding from the American government via the Jewish banks. Perhaps a review of the American fiat money system is in order, and who owns and rules America. The IMF world bank, the American Federal Reserve bank and every other Inernational banking system are "privately owned" and although they may use the services of other 'interests' as their CEO's and managers the owners are Jews or Zionist. As too are the 'major' media outlets, newspapers, magazines, films, television, radio, recording studios etc ... and the reason you never get Jewish criticism and muslim biased reports. Start with this http://hubpages.com/hub/Mayer_Amschel_Bauer

You seem to have some beef with Jews, Jan. Sure, there are plenty of Jewish CEOs, but I doubt many of them are Zionists; they're capitalists.

And plenty of them are critical of Israel's actions.

You're right about Jewish criticism: every time someone publicly criticises Israel, the Council of Australian Jewry tars them with the anti-Semitic brush. It's an old game.

But this is the Jewish Council, not the IMF. Jews occupy many powerful positions, but all the Jewish people get out of it is a small state in the Middle East with a population of less than eight million. Oh, and the Council of Australian Jewry.

These sort of lobby groups are disproportionately powerful, there is no doubt about it. But they do not control the world as you seem to think. Capitalism is, by its nature, multicultural. For the past 40 years, it has been led by the US, Europe and Japan. There aren't many Japanese Jews, and there aren't a lot of European ones left either. Still, the US is the global hegemon and there are plenty of Jews there.

Capitalism requires many competing and interdependant forces to come together. In this phase of capitalism, it's comprised of the following:

Oil (from states like Saudi Arabia and Venezuela)
Minerals like coal and iron ore (from countries like Australia, India and Brazil)
Intellectual property (software, media, brands and genetically modified organisms patented largely in the US)
Labour and manufactured goods (from China and some smaller East Asian countries like South Korea and Taiwan)
Finance (largely mediated by the US, but from all over the world as the 1970s loans crisis and borrowed petrodollars showed)
Markets (predominantly the US, then Europe, although China is shaping up to take over as the world's largest economy in 2030)

Lastly, capitalism has a ruling class. This class needs to be international as oil, minerals, brands, goods, finance, labour and markets are bought and sold all over the world.

You claim this class to be Zionist Jews. Firstly, I'm curious how this is possible within the multinational and multicultural nature of capitalism. Secondly, how do Jews benefit? All they get is a hot, dry state surrounded by enemies.

Karnal wrote on Feb 4^th, 2011 at 1:18pm:

You seem to have some beef with Jews, Jan. Sure, there are plenty of Jewish CEOs, but I doubt many of them are Zionists; they're capitalists.

First off where did you copy paste your information? most Capitalists ARE Zionists. For instance our own Rupert Murdoch is one of the influential zionist in the world  but even he is a sprat in the ocean compared to the zionist bankers (who control the worlds wealth).

I don't have a beef with REAL jews and if you read my posts regarding jews you would underststand that ... I go along with the torah true jews as my post indicated, they are as much in the dark as most christians and brainwashed atheist as to what the zionist agenda is.

The media can't be trusted to give you truthful news and even internet sources have to be viewed carefully. I have been studying this phenomena regarding Multinational corporations and the zionist jews since 1980 (30 years) and I haven't found anything to contradict what I have found, and everything I have found has come to pass and getting worse.

I had a site that named the jews in our politics that has mysteriously disappeared in the last couple of weeks, many of the sites I had have been taken over by porn, Jewish or political sites.

To get a true perspective on the zionist globalization I suggest you get the book Or DVD "The Corporation" (available for download on the internet. also research the Rothschilds (not the official sites as they only give you the propaganda that protects them)


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And plenty of them are critical of Israel's actions.

Name them


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You're right about Jewish criticism: every time someone publicly criticises Israel, the Council of Australian Jewry tars them with the anti-Semitic brush. It's an old game.

Research the ADL, and find out just how many jewish 'organizations' we have in Australia (and in America) maybe that will alert you to the true agenda of Israel and the zionist jews worldwide. Strewth even movies and TV series glorify America and demonize Muslims in order to promote hate and war everywhere.

Ask some 'past' service men why they refused to fight alongside the Yanks, even in Iraq and Afghanistan today they choose to fight alone.

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But this is the Jewish Council, not the IMF. Jews occupy many powerful positions, but all the Jewish people get out of it is a small state in the Middle East with a population of less than eight million. Oh, and the Council of Australian Jewry.

The IMF (International Monetary Fund) and the WORLD bank are the banks that ALL countries apply for their budget loans, and are PRIVATELY OWNED (by Jews). See how much reaL information you will get from this official IMF site .. Who asked the questions?)
[urlhttp://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/EXTSITETOOLS/0,,contentMDK:20147466~menuPK:344189~pagePK:98400~piPK:98424~theSitePK:95474,00.html[/url]
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These sort of lobby groups are disproportionately powerful, there is no doubt about it. But they do not control the world as you seem to think. Capitalism is, by its nature, multicultural. For the past 40 years, it has been led by the US, Europe and Japan. There aren't many Japanese Jews, and there aren't a lot of European ones left either. Still, the US is the global hegemon and there are plenty of Jews there.

OK your rather emphatic about them not controlling the world then tell us ... Who is?
Capitalism is not neseccarily multiculturalist it has become more so since the US negotiated for FREE trade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade

http://www.petermartin.com.au/2010/12/productivity-commission-tells-truth.html
http://www.tradereform.org/2010/08/the-truth-about-free-trade-agreements/


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Capitalism requires many competing and interdependant forces to come together. In this phase of capitalism, it's comprised of the following: ....Snipped

OIL ..You left out Iraq, Kuwait (who were side drilling into Iraqi oil and the reason Saddam attacked),
Finance ... The US is provided by THE FEDERAL RESERVE owned by the Rothschilds, J P Morgan and Rockefellers.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10489
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/52653/Who_owns_the_Federal_Reserve_/


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Lastly, capitalism has a ruling class. This class needs to be international as oil, minerals, brands, goods, finance, labour and markets are bought and sold all over the world. You claim this class to be Zionist Jews. Firstly, I'm curious how this is possible within the multinational and multicultural nature of capitalism. Secondly, how do Jews benefit?

the top two US financial "controllers" Are Robert Zoelick #11 listed IMF boss and Ben Bernanke.

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-iraqiblockade.html
http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/bios/board/bernanke.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Bernanke
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-jewishbankingandfinancialmanipulations-folder.html

Cont next post....

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All they get is a hot, dry state surrounded by enemies.

The Zionists chose Vienna as the center of the political movement because Mr. Herzl published the official weekly Die Welt (The World) in this city and because he was the brain behind the establishment of Israel somewhere in this world but preferably around Jerusalem.  As per historical account, the Zionist congresses met yearly until 1901 and then every two years.  The Ottoman government refused Herzl’s request for Palestinian autonomy from their Sultanate.  The Zionists however found support in Great Britain.  In 1903, the British government offered 6,000 square miles (15,500 square km) of uninhabited Uganda for Jewish settlement, but the Zionists refused; they preferred Palestine over the land in Uganda.

The Zionst WANTED Palestine because they had plans even then to occupy ALL of the land once occuppied by Jews, which includes Iraq (Babylon) Jordan and Syria, in order to control the entire Middle East and the OIL.

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First off where did you copy paste your information? most Capitalists ARE Zionists. For instance our own Rupert Murdoch is one of the influential zionist in the world  but even he is a sprat in the ocean compared to the zionist bankers (who control the worlds wealth).

Not to mention the terrorist funder Gutnick, who actually funds Zionist settler terror groups to the tune of millions each year. Yet the Australian government says nothing about this.

Jan wrote on Feb 5^th, 2011 at 8:23am:

Cont'd..... Quote: All they get is a hot, dry state surrounded by enemies. The Zionists chose Vienna as the center of the political movement because Mr. Herzl published the official weekly Die Welt (The World) in this city and because he was the brain behind the establishment of Israel somewhere in this world but preferably around Jerusalem.  As per historical account, the Zionist congresses met yearly until 1901 and then every two years.  The Ottoman government refused Herzl’s request for Palestinian autonomy from their Sultanate.  The Zionists however found support in Great Britain.  In 1903, the British government offered 6,000 square miles (15,500 square km) of uninhabited Uganda for Jewish settlement, but the Zionists refused; they preferred Palestine over the land in Uganda. The Zionst WANTED Palestine because they had plans even then to occupy ALL of the land once occuppied by Jews, which includes Iraq (Babylon) Jordan and Syria, in order to control the entire Middle East and the OIL.

No Jan, they 'wanted' Palestine, because THAT is the area that Judaism and the Jewish people started from.....Almost all of the OT (Torah) takes place with in that region...

The Anglo people started from Germany, doesn't mean I got a right to go kick Germans outta their homes.

That's the biggest load of bollocks ever peddled.

All fans on Brazil are waiting for a long time for the 3 Doors Down Band. They have a lot of fans here, in Orkut community are almost 30,000 fans. Yeah so much people like to listen this band. So why don't they come here on BRAZIL? We waiting for 3 Doors Down.

[In Portuguese] Todos o fãs no Brasil estão esperando por muito tempo a banda 3 Doors Down. Eles têm muitos fãs aqui, na comunidade Orkut são quase 30,000. Muitas pessoas gostam de ouvir suas músicas. Então por que eles não vem ao Brasil? Estamos esperando pelo 3 Doors Down.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 5^th, 2011 at 12:58pm:

No Jan, they 'wanted' Palestine, because THAT is the area that Judaism and the Jewish people started from.....Almost all of the OT (Torah) takes place with in that region...

You obviously know nothing truthful about Jews and the diverse difference between Jews and Zionists.

I'll start you off with a couple of lessons. And sadly because I would not be believed in my own words I must copy and paste others words that reflect my own knowledge ... soon the truth will not be available, as the zionist jews cleanse their history from public records and take down websites in order to keep the 'unenlightened' from becoming 'informed'.

First there are TWO kinds of Jews, the Ashkenazi-Khazarians, who comprise 80% of Israelis (originating from Germany), and Sephadic Jews (From spain). Following is a synopsis of each.

ASHKENAZIM:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FAQ/07-Jews-As-Nation/section-5.html

Who were the Khazars? Are Ashkenazi Jews descended from the Khazars?

The Khazars were a Turkic tribe that migrated to the steppes of what
  is today southern Russia and eastern Ukraine by the 5th century. They
  established a powerful kingdom that existed from the mid-7th century
  until the early-11th century. The Khazars had a two-king system,
  consisting of a military king (bek) and a sacral king (khaqan). The
  Khazar army, which took orders from the bek and the military commander
  (tarkhan), included tens of thousands of professional soldiers.
 
  The Khazars were a potent military force in eastern Europe till about
  the middle of the 11th century, their last power base being the
  Crimean peninsula. In the 7th and 8th centuries, they defeated the
  Eastern Caliphate in several key battles, thus halting the spread of
  Islam north of the Caucasus mountain range, much the same as what the
  Carolingian rulers did to the Western Caliphate at the Pyrenees.
  (Ironically, these Jewish converts made Eastern Europe safe for
  Christianity.) The Khazars gained control over major waterways such as
  the Caspian Sea, the Volga River, and the Dnieper River. The Khazar
  kings collected tribute from many of the East Slavic tribes as well as
  from traders traversing their country. Large garrisons were stationed
  at hill-forts located at strategic points throughout the kingdom
  (e.g., Kiev by the Dnieper, Sarkel by the Don, Samandar by the
  Caspian) to guard against enemy invaders such as the Rus.
 
  The king of the Khazars learned the Torah with the assistance of the
  Jewish preacher Isaac Sangari, whose existence has recently been
  verified (by the discovery of poems authored by Sangari in the
  Firkovitch collection of manuscripts). In the 9th century, the
  Khazarian kings and nobles officially converted to Judaism. Surrounded
  by the Islamic Eastern Caliphate of Persia and the Christian Byzantine
  Empire, the Khazars may have chosen Judaism as their state religion to
  avoid being religiously (and hence politically) dominated by either
  empire, so that they could avoid being labelled as heathens while at
  the same time remaining independent of their powerful neighbors. By
  the start of the 10th century, Judaism gained a stronghold among the
  common Khazar people, and the Hebrew script came into use in Khazaria.
  However, most of the soldiers in the Khazar army were Muslims, and the
  non-Khazar ethnic groups within the Khazar Empire (such as the Slavs,
  Bulgars, and Goths) did not adopt Judaism but rather remained pagans,
  Muslims, and Christians.... Snipped

http://www.orbilat.com/Languages/Spanish-Ladino/History/Ladino-History.htm

History of the Sephardic Jews

The Origins
Jews settled in the land of Sepharad (or Sefarad), as Spain was called in Hebrew language, very early. It was often claimed that their arrival to Spain happened soon after the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar II conquered Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple in 586 BC. There was a legend among the Sephardim (i.e. the Spanish Jews) that Toletum (Toledo), the capital city of Spain, was founded by Jewish refugees from Jerusalem. A popular etymology explained its name (pronounced by the Jews Tolaitola) to be derived from the Hebrew word "tolatola" (exile), or, according to another explanation, from "toledoth" (generations). The Sephardim considered this city a second Jerusalem and recreated a virtually new Palestine around it: the towns of Escaluna, Maqueda, Jopez and Azeque were erected in the adjacent lands in memory of the Palestinian Ashkalon, Makedda, Joppa (Yafo) and Azeka; the Ibn-Daud and Abrabanel (Abravanel) families were proud to claim their descendency from the house of king David, the Solomon's father. Jewish communities were founded also in Carthago Nova (Cartagena), Córdoba, Granada, Saragosse, Taragona and all over the Iberian peninsula

THESE ARE THE (JEWS) YOU ARE SUPPORTING

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution

In the night of July 16-17, 1918, a squad of Bolshevik secret police murdered Russia's last emperor, Tsar Nicholas II, along with his wife, Tsaritsa Alexandra, their 14-year-old son, Tsarevich Alexis, and their four daughters. They were cut down in a hail of gunfire in a half-cellar room of the house in Ekaterinburg, a city in the Ural mountain region, where they were being held prisoner. The daughters were finished off with bayonets. To prevent a cult for the dead Tsar, the bodies were carted away to the countryside and hastily buried in a secret grave...snipped

.......Although officially Jews have never made up more than five percent of the country's total population, they played a highly disproportionate and probably decisive role in the infant Bolshevik regime, effectively dominating the Soviet government during its early years. Soviet historians, along with most of their colleagues in the West, for decades preferred to ignore this subject. The facts, though, cannot be denied.

With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews. Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's executive secretary and -- as chairman of the Central Executive Committee -- head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and Moisei Uritsky.

Lenin himself was of mostly Russian and Kalmuck ancestry, but he was also one-quarter Jewish. His maternal grandfather, Israel (Alexander) Blank, was a Ukrainian Jew who was later baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church.7

A thorough-going internationalist, Lenin viewed ethnic or cultural loyalties with contempt. He had little regard for his own countrymen. "An intelligent Russian," he once remarked, "is almost always a Jew or someone with Jewish blood in his veins." .....snipped

......In the years leading up to the 1917 revolution, Jews were disproportionately represented in all of Russia's subversive leftist parties.26 Jewish hatred of the Tsarist regime had a basis in objective conditions. Of the leading European powers of the day, imperial Russia was the most institutionally conser-vative and anti-Jewish. For example, Jews were normally not permitted to reside outside a large area in the west of the Empire known as the "Pale of Settlement."27

However understandable, and perhaps even defensible, Jewish hostility toward the imperial regime may have been, the remarkable Jewish role in the vastly more despotic Soviet regime is less easy to justify. In a recently published book about the Jews in Russia during the 20th century, Russian-born Jewish writer Sonya Margolina goes so far as to call the Jewish role in supporting the Bolshevik regime the "historic sin of the Jews."28 She points, for example, to the prominent role of Jews as commandants of Soviet Gulag concentration and labor camps, and the role of Jewish Communists in the systematic destruction of Russian churches. Moreover, she goes on, "The Jews of the entire world supported Soviet power, and remained silent in the face of any criticism from the opposition." In light of this record, Margolina offers a grim prediction:

The exaggeratedly enthusiastic participation of the Jewish Bolsheviks in the subjugation and destruction of Russia is a sin that will be avenged Soviet power will be equated with Jewish power, and the furious hatred against the Bolsheviks will become hatred against Jews.

If the past is any indication, it is unlikely that many Russians will seek the revenge that Margolina prophecies. Anyway, to blame "the Jews" for the horrors of Communism seems no more justifiable than to blame "white people" for Negro slavery, or "the Germans" for the Second World War or "the Holocaust.".....Snipped

....... Nicholas and his family are only the best known of countless victims of a regime that openly proclaimed its ruthless purpose. A few weeks after the Ekaterinburg massacre, the newspaper of the fledgling Red Army declared:29

Without mercy, without sparing, we will kill our enemies by the scores of hundreds, let them be thousands, let them drown themselves in their own blood. For the blood of Lenin and Uritskii let there be floods of blood of the bourgeoisie -- more blood, as much as possible.

Grigori Zinoviev, speaking at a meeting of Communists in September 1918, effectively pronounced a death sentence on ten million human beings: "We must carry along with us 90 million out of the 100 million of Soviet Russia's inhabitants. As for the rest, we have nothing to say to them. They must be annihilated."

As it turned out, the Soviet toll in human lives and suffering proved to be much higher than Zinoviev's murderous rhetoric suggested. Rarely, if ever, has a regime taken the lives of so many of its own people....snipped

..... CONT'D

Summing up the situation at that time, Israeli historian Louis Rapoport writes:

Immediately after the [Bolshevik] Revolution, many Jews were euphoric over their high representation in the new government. Lenin's first Politburo was dominated by men of Jewish origins

Under Lenin, Jews became involved in all aspects of the Revolution, including its dirtiest work. Despite the Communists' vows to eradicate anti-Semitism, it spread rapidly after the Revolution -- partly because of the prominence of so many Jews in the Soviet administration, as well as in the traumatic, inhuman Sovietization drives that followed. Historian Salo Baron has noted that an immensely disproportionate number of Jews joined the new Bolshevik secret police, the Cheka And many of those who fell afoul of the Cheka would be shot by Jewish investigators.

The collective leadership that emerged in Lenin's dying days was headed by the Jew Zinoviev, a loquacious, mean-spirited, curly-haired Adonis whose vanity knew no bounds.

"Anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the Cheka," wrote Jewish historian Leonard Schapiro, "stood a very good chance of finding himself confronted with, and possibly shot by, a Jewish investigator." In Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history..

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 5^th, 2011 at 12:58pm:

No Jan, they 'wanted' Palestine, because THAT is the area that Judaism and the Jewish people started from.....Almost all of the OT (Torah) takes place with in that region...

If that is what your knowledge of Jews is ... Why do REAL Jews do this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/Political/BurningIsraelflag.jpg

OR THIS:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/Political/OrthodoxJewsmetMuslimscholar.jpg
Feb 1, 2011:  Anti-Zionist Orthodox Rabbis met with the Muslim Scholar, Shiek Yousef Al-Qaradawi in Doha, Qatar.

ZIONIST Jews whine about the so-called holocaust 65 years ago that killed 6 million Jews.... So explain this Auschwitz Plaque (the original plaque) That cites 4 Million PEOPLE (not Jews) those PEOPLE consisted of many nationalities and religions ... however the Jews on their own website (now removed) said it was 3 million ... a paltry # compared to the 20 million peasants the Ashkenazim killed in the Russian Holocaust

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/Political/auschwitz.jpg

Jan wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 2:09am:

. First there are TWO kinds of Jews, the Ashkenazi-Khazarians, who comprise 80% of Israelis (originating from Germany), and Sephadic Jews (From spain). Following is a synopsis of each.

You forgot any mention of the Jews from Judea.

Google;
Judea wiki


Sorry, sorry, Judea, silly me.

What was i thinking?

The Jews - from Judea - are just a figment of someone's imagination.
/sarc off



MORE silliness...

ISLAM says, historic Jewish presence in Jerusalem is a Zionist sham.

And ISLAMISTS would never lie.
/sarc off


Quote:

. News items, Chief Muslim claims Jewish Temples never existed March 15, 2007 "....The Jewish Temples never existed.......descriptions of the Jewish Temples in the Hebrew Tanach, in the Talmud and in Byzantine and Roman writings from the Temple periods were forged, and that the Torah was falsified to claim Biblical patriarchs and matriarchs were Jewish when indeed they were prophets for Islam." http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=40628 Temple Mount '100% Islamic' June 01, 2008 "....Taysir Tamimi, chief Palestinian Justice and one of the most influential Muslim leaders in Israel, argued the Jewish Temples never existed,...." http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65919

"Exploring ISLAMIC 'mindsnap' "
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1227051349/0#0

Jan wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 2:47am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 5th, 2011 at 12:58pm: No Jan, they 'wanted' Palestine, because THAT is the area that Judaism and the Jewish people started from.....Almost all of the OT (Torah) takes place with in that region... If that is what your knowledge of Jews is ... Why do REAL Jews do this? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/Political/BurningIsraelflag.jpg OR THIS: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/Political/OrthodoxJewsmetMuslimscholar.jpg Feb 1, 2011:  Anti-Zionist Orthodox Rabbis met with the Muslim Scholar, Shiek Yousef Al-Qaradawi in Doha, Qatar. ZIONIST Jews whine about the so-called holocaust 65 years ago that killed 6 million Jews.... So explain this Auschwitz Plaque (the original plaque) That cites 4 Million PEOPLE (not Jews) those PEOPLE consisted of many nationalities and religions ... however the Jews on their own website (now removed) said it was 3 million ... a paltry # compared to the 20 million peasants the Ashkenazim killed in the Russian Holocaust http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/Political/auschwitz.jpg

LOL "REAL Jews" huh???
Those would be any overly fundamentalist sect that share your hatred of Israel??

It's the same as some christian churches......God says "love your fellow man", and some very 'devout' churches read that to mean "love all of mankind, except the ones the minister hates".....

The ultra orthodox jews don't believe that Israel should have been re-created....YET, that's all.......It's not about hating Israel or anything else, it's just that they believe the Messiah is supposed to be the one who lead them back to Israel (and that Israel WILL cover all the historic lands, which includes Jordan, Syria and Gaza)....

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 4:42am:

You forgot any mention of the Jews from Judea. Sorry, sorry, Judea, silly me. What was i thinking? The Jews - from Judea - are just a figment of someone's imagination. /sarc off

Keep up the sarcasm Yadda it is after all the lowest form of wit. But nothing more could be expected from a zionist Jew, they are experts at using ridicule to defuse truth.

Hey if you want to support your zionist friends fine but it won't do you anygood in the long run they are well known for 'disposing' of friends once they have outgrown their usefulness.

You can't even read or you kid yourself that you know it all and don't bother ... I didn't leave anything out because if you read my posts it says the SEPHARDIC jews are from Jerusalem. However Israel is 80% Ashkenazi... ie Khazarian converts who had never set foot in the holy land in biblical times let alone originate from there.

Supporting zionists will be the downfall of Australia (and the rest of the world) if we don't soon stand up and be accountable. And for sure anyone who continues to support them are NOT Christians ... So that puts you squarely in the zionist camp.... Traitor!

If you can't read what is provided, then don't reply with uninformed religious crap.

Oh and wiki is owned by Jews and I only ever use their info if it can be backed up from other sources. And the bible babble is proof of nothing, as archeology has never been able to prove that Jews were the original inhabitants, but 'moved' there from elsewhere.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/arts/booktalk/stories/s515717.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/compass/s771288.htm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 7:11am:

LOL "REAL Jews" huh??? Those would be any overly fundamentalist sect that share your hatred of Israel?? It's the same as some christian churches......God says "love your fellow man", and some very 'devout' churches read that to mean "love all of mankind, except the ones the minister hates"..... The ultra orthodox jews don't believe that Israel should have been re-created....YET, that's all.......It's not about hating Israel or anything else, it's just that they believe the Messiah is supposed to be the one who lead them back to Israel (and that Israel WILL cover all the historic lands, which includes Jordan, Syria and Gaza)....

Well Hullooo Zionist Jew ... So now the ORTHODOX Jews are self hating jews? ... typical zionist response.

Zionist Bolsheviks killed 20 million people yet still whine about their 6 million and never let the world forget it ... and even bring in laws to imprison anyone who dares question the number ... there is no other religion in the world that has done that.

And at this time they are committing genocide on the REAL owners of PALESTINE, both Muslims AND Christians ... and people wonder why Muslims have begun to stand up for their "RIGHTS"

As a supporter of zionist behaviour I can only believe you wish them to create another America in Australia because it is happening ... take over the government and when they are a monopoly support another holocaust, when the good citizens of Australia wake up too late and fight back. Just like all the other countries they have destroyed.

So glad you and yadda have exposed your true natures, it saves time figuring out who not to trust or reply to in future.  

TO ALL TRUE AUSSIES "WAKE UP" AND REALISE WE ARE UNDER ATTACK... SOON IT WILL BE TOO LATE TO FIGHT BACK!!!

Where have all our (profitable) and iconic companies gone? why did we pay for a 'bailout' when International banks made up to 75 BILLION $$ profit in 2009??

Globalization means slavery not peace. Take a look at the countries they have control of and reaslise that will be us if we don't WAKE UP!

Jan wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 10:42am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6th, 2011 at 7:11am: LOL "REAL Jews" huh??? Those would be any overly fundamentalist sect that share your hatred of Israel?? It's the same as some christian churches......God says "love your fellow man", and some very 'devout' churches read that to mean "love all of mankind, except the ones the minister hates"..... The ultra orthodox jews don't believe that Israel should have been re-created....YET, that's all.......It's not about hating Israel or anything else, it's just that they believe the Messiah is supposed to be the one who lead them back to Israel (and that Israel WILL cover all the historic lands, which includes Jordan, Syria and Gaza).... Well Hullooo Zionist Jew ... So now the ORTHODOX Jews are self hating jews? ... typical zionist response. Zionist Bolsheviks killed 20 million people yet still whine about their 6 million and never let the world forget it ... and even bring in laws to imprison anyone who dares question the number ... there is no other religion in the world that has done that. And at this time they are committing genocide on the REAL owners of PALESTINE, both Muslims AND Christians ... and people wonder why Muslims have begun to stand up for their "RIGHTS" As a supporter of zionist behaviour I can only believe you wish them to create another America in Australia because it is happening ... take over the government and when they are a monopoly support another holocaust, when the good citizens of Australia wake up too late and fight back. Just like all the other countries they have destroyed. So glad you and yadda have exposed your true natures, it saves time figuring out who not to trust or reply to in future.   TO ALL TRUE AUSSIES "WAKE UP" AND REALISE WE ARE UNDER ATTACK... SOON IT WILL BE TOO LATE TO FIGHT BACK!!! Where have all our (profitable) and iconic companies gone? why did we pay for a 'bailout' when International banks made up to 75 BILLION $$ profit in 2009?? Globalization means slavery not peace. Take a look at the countries they have control of and reaslise that will be us if we don't WAKE UP!

"Well Hullooo Zionist Jew ... So now the ORTHODOX Jews are self hating jews? ... typical zionist response.

LOL nice try, Jan.....but no, not jewish, but yes a zionist...

And I never said that the Orthodox Jews were 'self-hating' anything...They just take a more literal view of some of the writings...

Like some christians believe that the world is only 10,000 years old, the ultra orthodox jews think Israel shouldn't have been re-created by men....If it'd been named something else and was on the same site, they'd most probably have no problems...

I am sick of hearing about Arabs.
What have they ever done or invented in the last 200 years?
They certainly waste a lot of their energy worshipping their non-existent god.
I think they are all a bunch of religious trouble makers.

Yadda,


Quote:

Sorry, sorry, Judea, silly me. What was i thinking? The Jews - from Judea - are just a figment of someone's imagination. /sarc off

The number of Jews who have a traceable history in Palestine is pretty small. The fact is that the vast majority of those who called themselves Jews are Euro-Ashkenazim-Turkic-Khazars, who have absolutely no connection to Palestine or the Middle East whatsoever. In fact I'm sure there's more Hebrew blood in the Arab Palestinian population than there is in the Zionist-squatter population.

But as your "religion" is all based around glorification of the Jewish nation, that's why you cannot bring yourself to recognise this fact.

Also keep in mind that a presence in a land 2000+ years ago means squat.

---

Bobby the batter,


Quote:

I am sick of hearing about Arabs.

Good, exit the Islamic forum and do not return.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 1:17pm:

Yadda, Quote: Sorry, sorry, Judea, silly me. What was i thinking? The Jews - from Judea - are just a figment of someone's imagination. /sarc off The number of Jews who have a traceable history in Palestine is pretty small. The fact is that the vast majority of those who called themselves Jews are Euro-Ashkenazim-Turkic-Khazars, who have absolutely no connection to Palestine or the Middle East whatsoever. In fact I'm sure there's more Hebrew blood in the Arab Palestinian population than there is in the Zionist-squatter population. But as your "religion" is all based around glorification of the Jewish nation, that's why you cannot bring yourself to recognise this fact. Also keep in mind that a presence in a land 2000+ years ago means squat. Bobby the batter, [quote]I am sick of hearing about Arabs.

Good, exit the Islamic forum and do not return.[/quote]


No Abu....the Balfour Declaration doesn't mention 'blood' ties to Israel....it simply mentions the religion, it was about "creating a Homeland for the Jewish PEOPLE.....so ANY member of the jewish religion/race is included...

Are Arabs the 'only' muslims allowed to pray towards, or visit, Mecca???
Is it 'only' Italian catholics that are allowed to visit the Vatican???

So why should 'only' Palestine born Jews be allowed to live in Israel???

Quote:

So why should 'only' Palestine born Jews be allowed to live in Israel???

Because the rest are squatters who should go back to where they came from. Saturating someone elses country and pushing them into refugee camps is just despicable.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 1:57pm:

Quote: So why should 'only' Palestine born Jews be allowed to live in Israel??? Because the rest are squatters who should go back to where they came from. Saturating someone elses country and pushing them into refugee camps is just despicable.

So all Australian Muslims should go back to Arabia???

And most of the 'refugees' left of their own choice.....Remember that cities like Tel Aviv where built on desert sands...

Quote:

So all Australian Muslims should go back to Arabia???

If they began illegally mass immigrating to the point they were saturating the population, and began forming militias to expel Aussies from their towns, yeh I'm sure most Australians would be demanding that. In fact some already are, and the Muslims here are not even remotely close what the Zionist squatters of Palestine were.


Quote:

And most of the 'refugees' left of their own choice.....

This Zionist propaganda was dispelled in the 1970's and 1980's when the Zionist government finally released documents which admitted it to be myth. Several Israeli historians have since re-written the Zionist entity's history to reflect the facts.


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Remember that cities like Tel Aviv where built on desert sands...

Really? I thought Tel Aviv was built on Yafa... nevermind actual history though, just keep making it up as you go along.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 2:45pm:

Quote: So all Australian Muslims should go back to Arabia??? If they began illegally mass immigrating to the point they were saturating the population, and began forming militias to expel Aussies from their towns, yeh I'm sure most Australians would be demanding that. In fact some already are, and the Muslims here are not even remotely close what the Zionist squatters of Palestine were. [quote]And most of the 'refugees' left of their own choice.....

This Zionist propaganda was dispelled in the 1970's and 1980's when the Zionist government finally released documents which admitted it to be myth. Several Israeli historians have since re-written the Zionist entity's history to reflect the facts.


Quote:

Remember that cities like Tel Aviv where built on desert sands...

Really? I thought Tel Aviv was built on Yafa... nevermind actual history though, just keep making it up as you go along.[/quote]


No I'm referring to Tel Aviv...which was built to the NORTH of Jaffa....7.17 Kms in fact..


That's sort of like saying Hornsby was built ON St Ives...

Quote:

That's sort of like saying Hornsby was built ON St Ives...

Yeh it'd be like establishing a new city in Hornsby, and then claiming it wasn't part of Sydney, but was a new city all together. In other words a crock of bovine faeces.

The city is today called Tel Aviv-Yafo, quite clearly because it's the one city. Merely establishing your little squatter settlement in the northern suburbs of a city does not make it a new city.

And regardless every single Zionist city is established on the land of others, it's all squatter-ville, and it is all liable to re-possession when the actual owners get their stuff together which judging by the recent events in the Middle East isn't too far off.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 3:44pm:

Quote: That's sort of like saying Hornsby was built ON St Ives... Yeh it'd be like establishing a new city in Hornsby, and then claiming it wasn't part of Sydney, but was a new city all together. In other words a crock of bovine faeces. The city is today called Tel Aviv-Yafo, quite clearly because it's the one city. Merely establishing your little squatter settlement in the northern suburbs of a city does not make it a new city. And regardless every single Zionist city is established on the land of others, it's all squatter-ville, and it is all liable to re-possession when the actual owners get their stuff together which judging by the recent events in the Middle East isn't too far off.

LOL oh abu...that's just sooooo funny...Hornsby IS, now, a part of Sydney...due to Urban creep....which is exactly the same as Tel Aviv..and Jaffa...

Jaffa, or Jaffa Port was still 7 km from Tel Aviv...but Tel Aviv spread south and met (or absorbed) Jaffa....It's like almost every other city, in any country...They 'grow' and spread...

Whining about 'building on' existing cities doesn't work...The Jewish people left Jaffa, due to the violence of the Arabs, and Urban Sprawl did the rest....

Sad, but still not true, that Israel built 'over' bogus arab (stolen cities)...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 11:11am:

LOL nice try, Jan.....but no, not jewish, but yes a zionist...

Nice of you to confirm you're an enemy of Australia and freedom gizmo.

You should keep in mind that zionists did 9/11 and killed Kennedy. They also sacked Whitlam, and highly suspect in the disappearance of Harold Holt and the Port Arthur massacre. And they're not loath to 'dispatch' their own for convenience ... such as supplying the SS with lists for their pograms in order to create sympathy for their 'homeland' agenda.


Quote:

And I never said that the Orthodox Jews were 'self-hating' anything...They just take a more literal view of some of the writings...

This statement says self hating ...."REAL Jews" huh??? Those would be any overly fundamentalist sect that share your hatred of Israel??

Those real Jews who make the statements about zionism ARE Israelis.

REAL zionists care nothing about country, kith or kin. Only wealth and power stirs up passion in their loins ... Pedophiles are numerous in their ranks ... Or haven't you gotten around to reading the Talmud yet.

Pardon me, I have to go and vomit

Bobby. wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 11:14am:

I am sick of hearing about Arabs. What have they ever done or invented in the last 200 years? They certainly waste a lot of their energy worshipping their non-existent god. I think they are all a bunch of religious trouble makers.

Then why are you still replying in a thread about Arabs bobby?

And ask not what Arabs can do for you, ask what zion will do TO you!

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 2:05pm:

And most of the 'refugees' left of their own choice.....Remember that cities like Tel Aviv where built on desert sands...

Wrong the 'refugees' were forced out through terror tactics and many of those 'refugees' were also Christians.

Until the balfour agreement was enacted Muslims, Jews and Christians had lived together in relative peace for 400 years. Since the enactment there has never been peace.

Your replies only prove you have absolutely no idea about zion and it's treachery and while you remain ignorant you remain a traitor to Australia.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/israel-occupied-palestinian-territories

That's supposed to be leaving voluntarily?

How's this for terrorism:

Approximately 1.5 million Palestinian civilians have died since 1948,including the victims of the ethnic cleansing campaigns in the west in 1948-50 and in the east since 1967. Civilian deaths have escalated dramatically in recent years since the zionists developed their obsession with the Palestinian birth-rate,and children are often the target. There is only a small fine for killing a Palestinian in cold blood. It's based on a weapons charge,not murder. To understand the genocidal character of this vile regime,one need only glance at the responses from zionists; at least half advocate or at least imply approval of the killing of non-jews. Adocating genocide is by the way a reportable offence on Y/A. Aproximately 2000 civilian Palestinians are killed each year. If you are jewish and you shoot an 8-year-old Palestinian girl in cold blood,you will have your weapons license revoked for three months and pay a fine equivalent to 50-100 dollars U.S. It's considered by the "government'"to be more or less the same thing as shooting squirrals within city limits with a .22. would be in America. Zionists love to murder Palestinian children and they do it all the time. The military handles the mass-murders. We are not talking about suicide bombers or militants; those figures fall into another category. I am referring to wanton killing of civilians.
Source(s):
Pappe,Itan. "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" (Oxford,2003).
Amnesty Internation Annual Report (years 2000-2007).
Hass,Amira. "Drinking the Waters at Gaza" (1996).

1,133 Israelis and an estimated 5,144 Palestinians (including 952 children) have been killed since September 2000. From UN data, the post-1967 avoidable mortality (excess mortality) in the Occupied Palestinian Territories totals 300,000 and the post-1967 under-5 infant mortality 183,000 (of which 90% has been avoidable) - as compared to 2,178 post-1967 Israeli terrorism deaths (Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs figures).

Jan,


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They also sacked Whitlam..

And let us not forget that just prior to Rudd's removal, he had made the "mistake" of expelling a Zionist sp.. err diplomat. And that his deputy who removed him is extremely close to the Zionists. She has spent quite a bit of time in Zionist-settler-ville on "leadership forums" and her partner is employed by the head of the largest Australian Zionist movement.


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such as supplying the SS with lists for their pograms in order to create sympathy for their 'homeland' agenda.

The Nazis also supplied the early Zionist terrorist movements with much of their weaponry. In fact one of the "founding fathers" of the Zionist entity, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, was caught trying to smuggle a ship load of Nazi weapons into Palestine. He is considered a hero of the Zionist movement, and a mentor for the modern day right wing Zionists, like Likud.


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Until the balfour agreement was enacted Muslims, Jews and Christians had lived together in relative peace for 400 years.

Slight correction, more like 800 years, which was when the Europeans invaded and murdered Christians, Jews & Muslims alike (ie. the Crusades), and then prior to that, they all lived fine for about a further 300 years.

HOW ZIONISTS OPERATE

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/Political/BloodbathinGaza.jpg

Israelis leave a bloodbath in Gaza

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLZgNy46aTQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLZgNy46aTQ&feature=related

These Palestinians are vertual prisoners in their own land, walled in like ghettos Gaza and the west bank are all the land left of Palestine, with no access or exit unless passing through Israeli check points. Palestinians are still being called terrorists for trying to defend their own land with little more than stones and what arms can be smuggled in? While the Israelis have technological weapons supplied by the US. and use illegal weapons like White Phosphous bombs.

Israelis using White Phosphorus bombs on Palestinians:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/Political/Phosphorus5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/Political/Phosphorus2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/Seawings/Political/Phosphorus3.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=747zvz--hxI&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfcHVBIyJyA&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhG0cCGEpxg&feature=related

A description of what WP can do to the human body. And Israel used it against Palestinians.

The use of phosphorous bombs, by the British government on raids against Germany,[/b] was outlawed under international law because its use has no other purpose than to strike terror in its means of causing death and injury. It is a napalm-like chemical which when alight cannot be extinguished.....The exploding phosphorous bombs sprayed their contents indiscriminately and clothing caught fire and had to be torn free from the body quickly otherwise the wearer would suffer terrible nightmarish burns. When the liquid splattered on to people’s hair, the victim was doomed. There was no chance to cut off the hair. The chemical globules, like a burning jelly, burned fiercely setting aflame the entire head and indeed, the head itself burned.
   They writhed in the rubble-strewn roads with their bodies partially ablaze. Others were nearer to the River Alster and dozens of these shrieking demented souls, trailing tongues of flaming smoke and fire, dashed madly to the water to fling themselves into the lifesaving liquid. Men, women and children too, ran hysterically, falling and stumbling, getting up, tripping and falling again, rolling over and over. Most of them managed to regain their feet and made it to the water. But many of them never made it and were left behind, their feet drumming in blinding pain on the overheated pavements amidst the rubble, until there came one last convulsing shudder from the smoking 'thing' on the ground, and then no further movement.
   Those who made it to the water found the safety they had sought so desperately - but incredibly, some faced a choice that stuns the mind with horror. Water prevents phosphorous jelly from burning because it denies the chemical the one thing it needs to burn; oxygen. Those with the blazing chemical on their arms, legs and their bodies were able to douse the flames by submerging the burning areas. But many had the blazing phosphorous jelly on their faces and heads. Certainly the spluttering chemicals went out as the victims ducked their heads beneath the water, but the moment they brought their heads up again to break the surface and take a breath of air, the phosphorous burst into flames again immediately. And so the victims were faced with the choice. Death by drowning or death by burning; men, women and children. While others watched sick and despairingly, the victims of phosphorous on faces and heads thrashed wildly in the brackish waters, screaming with pain and frustration. Spluttering and choking, they alternatively burned or drowned.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 10:17pm:

Slight correction, more like 800 years, which was when the Europeans invaded and murdered Christians, Jews & Muslims alike (ie. the Crusades), and then prior to that, they all lived fine for about a further 300 years.

Duly noted, thanks Abu. I like to under emphasise when dealing with zionists ... It gives me room for truthful debate with some 'clout' behind it.

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I like to under emphasise when dealing with zionists ... It gives me room for truthful debate with some 'clout' behind it.

Good point, but be wary as the Zionists are an "enterprising" bunch, and if you begin with an already low number, believe you me, they'll bargain it down even further  ;D

Jan wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 8:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6th, 2011 at 2:05pm: And most of the 'refugees' left of their own choice.....Remember that cities like Tel Aviv where built on desert sands... Wrong the 'refugees' were forced out through terror tactics and many of those 'refugees' were also Christians.

Here's some legitimate information for you Gizmo ... Though I rather think you wont get past the first couple of paragraphs because it's long and factual and neither seem to be your forte.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=LEN20070207&articleId=4715

Jan wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 7:40am:

Jan wrote on Feb 6th, 2011 at 8:31pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6th, 2011 at 2:05pm: And most of the 'refugees' left of their own choice.....Remember that cities like Tel Aviv where built on desert sands... Wrong the 'refugees' were forced out through terror tactics and many of those 'refugees' were also Christians. Here's some legitimate information for you Gizmo ... Though I rather think you wont get past the first couple of paragraphs because it's long and factual and neither seem to be your forte. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=LEN20070207&articleId=4715

Well it is long....but 'factual'???
I read long articles quite often....both in print and on the web....

The problem is, I also possess a finely tuned 'bullsh1t' detector, os when I find sites that talk about 'Globalisation' and NWO conspiracies...I tend to pause and laugh.....

Among the things that make me laugh are the 9/11 truth sites, the Bilderberg Group and the 'International Zionist Conspiracy'....

What has 'tuned' my detector so well is the number of times that I've be accused of being a jew, on forums like this....

I find it fascinating that ALL the 'anti-zionist' people automatically use, or believe the same ideas......That ANYONE who doesn't want to see Israel/Zionism destroyed must be jewish....

I noticed on another thread that you 'hoped' that this board would be about Aussie politics, but YOU are the one who started making post about Zionist conspiracies and claim all the Muslim hate sites were full of zionist jews, while doing the very same thing yourself (pushing an agenda against a particular group) while accusing other people of being muslim haters.....

Jan wrote on Feb 7^th, 2011 at 7:40am:

Jan wrote on Feb 6th, 2011 at 8:31pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 6th, 2011 at 2:05pm: And most of the 'refugees' left of their own choice.....Remember that cities like Tel Aviv where built on desert sands... Wrong the 'refugees' were forced out through terror tactics and many of those 'refugees' were also Christians. Here's some legitimate information for you Gizmo ... Though I rather think you wont get past the first couple of paragraphs because it's long and factual and neither seem to be your forte. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=LEN20070207&articleId=4715

Jan, your factual site came up short about mentioning aliens along with it's meriad of other conspiracy theories.
Never mind, I'm sure your long and factual article has some facts in it somewhere.

White phosphorus is not on the 'banned list' under the Geneva Convention.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 10:17pm:

. Quote: Until the balfour agreement was enacted Muslims, Jews and Christians had lived together in relative peace for 400 years. Slight correction, more like 800 years, which was when the Europeans invaded and murdered Christians, Jews & Muslims alike (ie. the Crusades), and then prior to that, they all lived fine for about a further 300 years.

THE MOSLEM 'CRUSADES'

Abu,

You omitted any mention of the moslem 'crusades', which pre-dated the Christians Crusades.

Please tell us all;
In the eyes of moslems, why are the moslem 'crusades' 'justified', whereas the Christians Crusades are not?

In the years following Mohammed's death, many, many nations outside the Arabian peninsula were overrun by ISLAMIC 'missionaries', at the point of a sword.

Fact;
From 650 AD, and by 750 AD, unprovoked, a supremacist, militaristic ISLAM, overran the Holy Land, North Africa, Spain.
ISLAM then, in the 700's, tried to conquer Europe.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html

Wasn't this a moslem 'crusade' ???

Abu, what justified this sweeping ISLAMIC Crusade outside of the Arabian peninsula, in which moslems invaded non-moslem nations, and murdered many non-moslems ?


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Abu said,

"...Muslims, Jews and Christians had lived together in relative peace for 400 years."

That statement is a misrepresentation of how, "...Muslims, Jews and Christians...lived together.".

Moslems then, and now, are not permitted by ISLAM, to life "at peace", as equals in law, with non-moslems.

ISLAMIC doctrine makes it obligatory that moslems must subdue [or, kill], and, rule over non-moslems.

ISLAMISTS [good moslems] believe in the re-ordering of every society of men, to secure the mastery of moslems, and the submission all non-moslems, to total moslem rule.

And that imperative, that cause, is the Jihad.

e.g.
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Moslem rule [Sharia law] can be accomplished, and imposed upon non-moslems, by using subterfuge [persuasion, i.e. deceit], OR, by force [whenever moslem are able to exert their Jihad will upon others].

Pakistani cleric: 'We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.'
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/pakistani-cleric-we-want-islamic-law-for-all-pakistan-and-then-the-world-we-would-like-to-do-this-by.html

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THE CHRISTIAN CRUSADES

Moslems always deceitfully, disingenuously, misrepresent the Christian Crusades as being unprovoked attacks upon moslem lands.

Fact;
It was the persistent moslem robbery, rape, enslavement, and murder, of Christian pilgrims travelling to Jerusalem, which fomented the Christian crusades against the moslems [in 1,000's A.D.].

And, those Christian Crusades [which moslems vehemently condemn, as though they were unprovoked], themselves  came many years after 'justified' ISLAMIC 'Crusades', in which moslems murdered many non-moslems during their unprovoked invasions of non-moslem nations.


The truth is that where persuasion fails, moslems use violence to spread ISLAM, such violence is justified within ISLAM, as 'good works'.

But whenever non-moslems resist this violent spread of ISLAM, moslems deem those actions of self defence as 'unlawful' non-moslem 'aggression' against moslems.



Q.
Why won't moslems EVER admit to ISLAM's moral hypocrisy?

A.
It is impossible for a moslem to admit that ISLAM is at fault.
Moslems cannot, EVER, admit that ISLAM is at fault.
THAT, would be un-ISLAMIC!



ISLAM drums into every moslem from childhood, that ISLAM and moslems, are good ['justified'].

And that everyone else, is bad [...for not being a moslem].

SHAME, THE ARAB PSYCHE, AND ISLAM
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2005/08/shame-arab-psyche-and-islam.html

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WHAT ISLAM TEACHES TO EVERY MOSLEM;

#1,
GOOD MOSLEMS ARE THE BEST OF PEOPLE
"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

#2,
THOSE WHO REJECT ISLAM ARE THE FRIENDS OF SATAN
"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

Yadda,


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You omitted any mention of the moslem 'crusades',

Not sure if you're aware of the what the word crusade means, it's "war of the cross", certainly not something Muslims would be doing.


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In the years following Mohammed's death, many, many nations outside the Arabian peninsula were overrun by ISLAMIC 'missionaries', at the point of a sword. Fact; From 650 AD, and by 750 AD, unprovoked, a supremacist, militaristic ISLAM, overran the Holy Land, North Africa, Spain. ISLAM then, in the 700's, tried to conquer Europe. http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html Wasn't this a moslem 'crusade' ???

No, it was just natural expansion. When Christianity began, how did it spread so deep into Europe? Now they were crusades, since they were fought in the name of the cross, and they were pretty bloody. In contrast the vast majority of lands that came under Islamic rule did so quite peacefully, and certainly not with the kinds of witchhunts the crusaders went on. Hence the reason there's still Christians, Jews etc. in the lands Islam enveloped, yet in the lands the Christians overran, not a single pre-Christian religion can be found, all eradicated, by the "loving spirit" of Christianity.

Honestly you just embarrass yourself by trying to tackle Islam on this point, because Islam was miraculously calm and gentle in the way it spread to new lands, whilst Christianity was extremely brutal and savage. The only time Muslims fought the inhabitants of the lands they spread to was when they revolted or tried to oppress Muslims, in contrast Christians just wiped each land they entered clean, murdering anyone who refused to convert to their "loving" belief.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 5:56pm:

Yadda, Quote: You omitted any mention of the moslem 'crusades', Not sure if you're aware of the what the word crusade means, it's "war of the cross", certainly not something Muslims would be doing. [quote]In the years following Mohammed's death, many, many nations outside the Arabian peninsula were overrun by ISLAMIC 'missionaries', at the point of a sword. Fact; From 650 AD, and by 750 AD, unprovoked, a supremacist, militaristic ISLAM, overran the Holy Land, North Africa, Spain. ISLAM then, in the 700's, tried to conquer Europe. http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html Wasn't this a moslem 'crusade' ???

No, it was just natural expansion. When Christianity began, how did it spread so deep into Europe? Now they were crusades, since they were fought in the name of the cross, and they were pretty bloody. In contrast the vast majority of lands that came under Islamic rule did so quite peacefully, and certainly not with the kinds of witchhunts the crusaders went on. Hence the reason there's still Christians, Jews etc. in the lands Islam enveloped, yet in the lands the Christians overran, not a single pre-Christian religion can be found, all eradicated, by the "loving spirit" of Christianity.

Honestly you just embarrass yourself by trying to tackle Islam on this point, because Islam was miraculously calm and gentle in the way it spread to new lands, whilst Christianity was extremely brutal and savage. The only time Muslims fought the inhabitants of the lands they spread to was when they revolted or tried to oppress Muslims, in contrast Christians just wiped each land they entered clean, murdering anyone who refused to convert to their "loving" belief.
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Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi came to France via natural expansion and in a calm and gentle way sent his army against the Franks led by Charles Martel at Tours in 732AD.
This peaceful expansion left a reported 12,000 martyrs behind in the mud.
Do you honestly believe the tripe you type Abu.
Don't bother with a hankie to wipe the dribble away this time Abu, you will need a bath sheet for this one.
Your own version of history has absolutely no truth in it. ;D ;D ;D

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 5:56pm:

Yadda, Quote: You omitted any mention of the moslem 'crusades', Not sure if you're aware of the what the word crusade means, it's "war of the cross", certainly not something Muslims would be doing.

Absolute moslem deflection, totally ignoring the point being made.

And everybody can see, your deflection Abu.





abu_rashid wrote on Feb 9^th, 2011 at 5:56pm:

Quote: In the years following Mohammed's death, many, many nations outside the Arabian peninsula were overrun by ISLAMIC 'missionaries', at the point of a sword. Fact; From 650 AD, and by 750 AD, unprovoked, a supremacist, militaristic ISLAM, overran the Holy Land, North Africa, Spain. ISLAM then, in the 700's, tried to conquer Europe. http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html Wasn't this a moslem 'crusade' ??? No, it was just natural expansion. When Christianity began, how did it spread so deep into Europe? Now they were crusades, since they were fought in the name of the cross, and they were pretty bloody. In contrast the vast majority of lands that came under Islamic rule did so quite peacefully, and certainly not with the kinds of witchhunts the crusaders went on. Hence the reason there's still Christians, Jews etc. in the lands Islam enveloped, yet in the lands the Christians overran, not a single pre-Christian religion can be found, all eradicated, by the "loving spirit" of Christianity. Honestly you just embarrass yourself by trying to tackle Islam on this point, because Islam was miraculously calm and gentle in the way it spread to new lands, whilst Christianity was extremely brutal and savage. The only time Muslims fought the inhabitants of the lands they spread to was when they revolted or tried to oppress Muslims, in contrast Christians just wiped each land they entered clean, murdering anyone who refused to convert to their "loving" belief.

"Honestly you just embarrass yourself by trying to tackle Islam on this point,.."

I will just let the people who read this post judge for themselves Abu.




Advise, to moslems, from an ISLAMIC teaching site.

Moslems ask moslem teacher of ISLAM, 'Is is correct and lawful to spread ISLAM using terror and force?';


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. Was Islam spread by the sword? Question: Was Islam spread by the sword? Answer: Praise be to Allaah. .....Allaah sent him – meaning the Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) – with the guiding Book and the conquering sword, ahead of the Hour, so that Allaah alone would be worshipped with no partner or associate, and his provision was placed beneath the shade of his sword and spear. Allaah has established the religion of Islam with proof and evidence, and with the sword and spear, both together and inseparable. This is some of the evidence from the Qur’aan and Sunnah. The evidence clearly indicates that the sword is one of the most important means that led to the spread of Islam. .....If Islam was only spread by peaceful means, what would the kuffaar have to be afraid of? Of mere words spoken on the tongue? In al-Saheehayn it is narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I have been supported with fear as far as a month’s journey.” Would the kuffaar be afraid of being told, “become Muslim, but if you do not then you are free to believe and do whatever you want”? or were they afraid of jihad and the imposition of the jizyah and being humiliated? That may make them enter Islam so that they may be spared this humiliation.

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/43087





There is no moderate ISLAM.

And consequently, THERE ARE NO MODERATE MOSLEMS.

Here, in the West, moslems are deliberately mis-representing ISLAM, to non-moslems.



In the West, ISLAM portrays itself as a peaceful religion.

In the West, ISLAM portrays itself as 'moderate', and as, happy to embrace multiculturalism.

#1,
Where ISLAM has NO political authority, ISLAM promotes itself, as a 'worthy', peaceful culture - which all of the world should adopt.

But the TRUTH is that ISLAM [within its own jurisdictions] where moslems are empowered, moslems always reveal ISLAM [openly] as a vicious, intolerant, supremacist, mono-culture.

#2,
Where ISLAM has political authority, ISLAM promotes itself, as a mono-culture - which all of the world must be compelled to adopt.

e.g.

Quote:

. Pakistani cleric: 'We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.'

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/pakistani-cleric-we-want-islamic-law-for-all-pakistan-and-then-the-world-we-would-like-to-do-this-by.html

Here in the West, ISLAM merely uses the multiculturalism, which is already present in the West, as an 'enabler' for ISLAM.

In the West, ISLAM is happy to present [publicly, 'officially'] a facade of tolerance, of non-muslims, as an 'enabler' for ISLAM's incursion, into non-moslem nations.

Wouldn't it just have been easier to type: "you're right, I can't possibly refute the historical evidences you've given, so I'll run a bit of a scare campaign about Muslims taking over the whole world"? would've been much easier, and would've presented you more as an honest self-evaluator, instead of the stark-raving-mad fundie-christian nut-job that most think you are.

lmao yadda makes abu look way normal

i never read his massive copy and paste posts

i think he has something severely wrong with his brain, abu

Yadda has a brain? You learn something new every day. I thought Yadda was just a copy/paste bot.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 10^th, 2011 at 10:30pm:

Wouldn't it just have been easier to type: "you're right, I can't possibly refute the historical evidences you've given, so I'll run a bit of a scare campaign about Muslims taking over the whole world"? would've been much easier, and would've presented you more as an honest self-evaluator, instead of the stark-raving-mad fundie-christian nut-job that most think you are.

I do not mis-represent ISLAM.

Abu,

If you truly have a complaint, about how ISLAM is being 'mis-represented' to the world, perhaps you should take that complaint up with others.

i.e.
Perhaps you should take that complaint up with the moslem 'impersonators' [these people are, of course!!, not real moslems. /sarc off] who bring ISLAM into 'disrepute' by their actions.




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http://haaren.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/islaminbritainuk.jpg
THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY OF THE UK, EXPRESSING THEIR DEMOCRATIC RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION



...AS GOOD MOSLEMS ARE ALWAYS WANT TO DO;
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"Freedom of expression GO TO HELL"





Abu,
As the only 'real', genuine moslem living in the southern hemisphere, perhaps you can explain to all of us ignorant Kuffar, why don't the real moslems ever criticise those moslem 'impersonators' who, by their actions, bring ISLAM into 'disrepute' ???

That is a question that has always intrigued me.

I mean, if i, a Kuffar, was to name my teddy bear Mohammed, the moslem world would be in an uproar, calling for my beheading.

But let the people in the images above [those moslem 'impersonators'], declare that moslems intend to take over the whole world, using any means, including violence, and people such as yourself [supposedly a good moslem], have nothing at all to to say about it.

IMAGE;
http://www.jihadwatch.org/Khomeinist.jpg



e.g.
July 9, 2007
Muslims declare sovereignty over U.S., UK
Across town from the site of the recent attempted car-bomb attacks, several thousand Muslims gathered in front of the London Central Mosque to applaud fiery preachers prophesying the overthrow of the British government – a future vision that encompasses an Islamic takeover of the White House and the rule of the Quran over America.
"One day my dear Muslims," shouted Anjem Choudary, "Islam will govern Britain!"
"......Queen Elizabeth, go to hell!"
......angry Muslim leader Abu Saif, who kept his voice at a fever pitch through declarations such as: "Brothers and sisters, make no mistake. Make no mistake. The British government, the queen, the MPs in this country, they are enemies to you, enemies to Allah and enemies to the Muslims."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/07/muslims-declare-sovereignty-over-us-uk.html




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. "Brothers and sisters, make no mistake. Make no mistake. The British government, the queen, the MPs in this country, they are enemies to you, enemies to Allah and enemies to the Muslims."

Abu,
Would you like to here, publicly denounce those outrageous comments by people bringing ISLAM into public disrepute ???

Nice happy snaps Yadda. :)

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Abu, Would you like to here, publicly denounce those outrageous comments by people bringing ISLAM into public disrepute ???

They're just good Democratic citizens, exercising their rights to freedom of speech... no? I don't see what problem you have with them.

Besides it's not like Muslims are the only ones who've ever carried banners... I've seen some Christians carrying pretty similar messages on their shoulders...

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There is one huge difference here between what Yadda
posted and what you posted

Yours are from a fundmentalist group in the United States

Yadda's show what  Muslims are doingworld wide, even in this country and doing far worst than holding up placards. Those in England should be lined up and shot


This was taken in Melbourne, No comment is deemed necesssary. This says it all and here is the URL for you.  Pass it around to you friends
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/nazis_needed/

I am acquainted with the person who took the photpgraph

http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/nazineed.jpg

GH wrote on Feb 12^th, 2011 at 8:27pm:

. This was taken in Melbourne, No comment is deemed necesssary. This says it all and here is the URL for you.  Pass it around to you friends http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/nazis_needed/ I am acquainted with the person who took the photpgraph http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/nazineed.jpg

GH,
I noticed [in that image, in your post] that it was a young child, holding up the hateful placard.

IMAGE
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/cartoon-protest12.jpg
This image was London, Feb, 2006.
UK muslims demonstrate how they teach their children about the importance of exercising *their* freedom of speech [ISLAMIC style], in an open Western society.
/sarc off


Google;
muslims teach their children to hate westerners

Google;
palestinians teach children hatred of jews


ISLAMIC doctrine teaches moslems, that every good moslem must engage in total war [including the use of moslem woman and children] against its enemies.

there is yet another example here, of teaching moslem children...
IMAGES;
"Arab world in revolt, how will the West fare?"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1296163674/58#58



Then when moslems are killed, IN THEIR CONFLICTS, with non-moslems, moslems portray themselves as the victims of non-moslem violence, AGAINST MOSLEMS.

Projection of guilt.

This is projecting the guilt of the consequences, of our own actions and choices, onto our victims [or intended victims].

It is immoral, and dishonest.

And moslems do it, but moslems cannot recognise the guilt of such conduct.

Moslems are incapable of recognising the guilt of inciting hatred, when the targets of such hatred are Allah's enemies.



ISLAM TEACHES EVERY MOSLEM;
...THOSE WHO REJECT ISLAM ARE THE FRIENDS OF SATAN, and worthy of moslem hatred.

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

Allah Uakbar.

Yadda, did you miss the fact that half the kids holding up signs like "Thank God for IED's" and "Thank God for dead soldiers" were kids? I know you do suffer from selective acceptance of facts, but come on, it was right in front of you  ;D

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 6:36pm:

Yadda, did you miss the fact that half the kids holding up signs like "Thank God for IED's" and "Thank God for dead soldiers" were kids? I know you do suffer from selective acceptance of facts, but come on, it was right in front of you  ;D

Yes abu, but they are ALL children from the one congregation (and possibly the same family), to whit : The Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas...run by that idiot Fred Phelps...


Oh and incidently, the Phelps 'cult' hates Islam, Judaism and Christianity (other than their own) as much as they hate homosexuals...

"In response to a Newsweek article alleging that American soldiers flushed copies of the Qur'an down the toilet at Camp X-Ray in Guantanamo Bay, Fred Phelps released this statement:

So what if our guys flushed copies of the Quran down the toilet? We hope they did. They probably did; We hope they flush more. Mohammed was a demon-possessed whoremonger and pedophile who contrived a 300-page work of Satanic fiction: The Quran! Like America's own whoremonger and pedophile wangled his own hokey Book of Mormon!"

Not really the sort of person you should use to defend Islam is he Abu????

There is no God but Allah.

Karnal wrote on Feb 15^th, 2011 at 4:16pm:

There is no God but Allah.

Hmmm maybe you should leave off the "but Allah' bit Karnal...That'd be more accurate..

Quote:

Not really the sort of person you should use to defend Islam is he Abu????

No.. now all you gotta do is find where I defended him, to make your question have an iota of relevance to this discussion.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 15^th, 2011 at 7:41pm:

Quote: Not really the sort of person you should use to defend Islam is he Abu???? No.. now all you gotta do is find where I defended him, to make your question have an iota of relevance to this discussion.

Or I can wait for you learn to read properly???

Not really the sort of person you should use to defend Islam is he Abu????