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Message started by abu_rashid on Feb 19th, 2011 at 2:32pm

Title: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by abu_rashid on Feb 19th, 2011 at 2:32pm


A US-led airstrike have killed at least 37 people and wounded several others in the troubled eastern Afghanistan amid growing discontent over such attacks.

Local media reports say the deadly strike took place in Kunar Province on Friday.

NATO has confirmed the incident, claiming that they were targeting “a prominent Taliban militant,” a Press TV correspondent reported.

Several women and children were among those killed in the attack on Kunar province.

Local residents say the airstrike targeted homes in the area and all those killed were civilians.

NATO, however, claims that 30 militants died in the attack.

Similar attacks have claimed the lives of hundreds of Afghan civilians over the past year.

More than 2,400 civilians lost their lives in 2010 -- making it the deadliest year since the 2001 US-led invasion of Afghanistan.

Violence has increased in Afghanistan despite the presence of nearly 150,000 U-S-led troops in the country.

Civilians have been the main victims of violence in Afghanistan, particularly in the country's troubled southern and eastern provinces, where they are killed by both militant and foreign fire.

Hundreds of civilians have lost their lives in the US-led airstrikes and ground operations in various parts of Afghanistan over the past few months, with Afghans becoming more outraged over the seemingly endless number of deadly assaults.

Civilian casualties have long been a source of friction between the Afghan government and US-led foreign forces. The loss of civilian lives at the hand of foreign forces has dramatically increased anti-American sentiments in Afghanistan.

The surge in violence comes despite the presence of 150,000 foreign troops, which are engaged in the so-called war on terrorism. The war in Afghanistan, with civilian and military casualties at record highs, has become the longest war in US history.

The Afghan interior ministry says more than 2,000 civilians lost their lives in violence across Afghanistan in 2010.

Source: Press TV

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by abu_rashid on Feb 20th, 2011 at 8:45pm
Total number of civilian casualties from these US-led terrorist attacks has now reached 52, and the terrorists even prevented the wounded from reaching hospitals by blocking roads, what kind of despicable inhumanity is this?



Afghanistan: NATO airstrikes kill 52 civilians in Kunar
by Khan Wali Salarzai
PAN, February 19, 2011




ASADABAD : Dozens of civilians were killed and wounded in airstrikes by foreign forces in Ghaziabad district of eastern Kunar province, residents said on Saturday, a day after NATO said 30 militants were eliminated in a coalition raid.

Foreign troops have been pounding different areas of the district over the past three days, killing up to 52 civilians, Mohammad Ibrahim, who brought his wounded relative to the Asadabad Civil Hospital, told Pajhwok Afghan News.

A resident of the Dara Gal village, Ibrahim claimed that several others were injured in the air raids. Most of the injured could not be taken to hospital due to road blockades. He warned the seriously injured individuals could die if they were not provided immediate medical treatment.

In a statement on Saturday, NATO said its regional command was working closely with the provincial governor and Afghan security forces to investigate the claim.
On Friday, ISAF media office in Kabul said: "A coalition forces air weapons team engaged a large number of armed men in Ghaziabad district, killing more than 30 insurgents."

On an aerial security patrol, the air weapons team identified armed fighters in the area and engaged them. A large number of armed individuals emerged from a nearby building after the initial firing. Subsequently, they were targeted and killed, it has said.

Public Health Director Dr. Asadullah Fazli confirmed receiving seven wounded people at the Asadabad Civil Hospital. The injured included four children, two women and an adult, he added.

Another resident of Ghaziabad, Hayatullah who reached Asadabad on Saturday morning, said many families had fled the district due to continued airstrikes. Most of the dead and wounded were civilians, he alleged.

NATO-led troops had been carrying out airstrikes in Ghaziabad over the past four days, said the provincial council chief, Mian Hassan Adil. Civilians bore the brunt of casualties, he claimed.

The Taliban acknowledged the loss of only one fighter and injuries to two others. Their spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid claimed eight US soldiers were killed in an ambush in the Dara Gal area of the district.

But ISAF rejected the claim, saying the force servicemembers had no casualty in the operation.
Police chief, Brig. Gen. Khalilullah Ziayee, said that they had sent a delegation to the area to investigate the allegations of civilian casualties.

Source: UrukNet

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 21st, 2011 at 1:46pm
This is what happens when the militants hide amongst the civilians.

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Beertruk on Feb 21st, 2011 at 6:19pm
Islamic lead terrorists pick the battlefield, so they are responsible for the deaths.

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by abu_rashid on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:20pm
The resistance forces live in their own land. When your land is invaded, you live in it, and fight for your freedom from the invaders within it. Stop making excuses for these despicable acts of inhumanity.


Quote:
Islamic lead terrorists pick the battlefield, so they are responsible for the deaths.


The invaders chose the battlefield. If Talibaan invaded America, and many American civilians were killed in the process, would that mean the Americans picked the battlefield, and therefore their citizens deserve to die?

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by HC on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:41pm

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:20pm:
The resistance forces live in their own land. When your land is invaded, you live in it, and fight for your freedom from the invaders within it. Stop making excuses for these despicable acts of inhumanity.


Quote:
Islamic lead terrorists pick the battlefield, so they are responsible for the deaths.


The invaders chose the battlefield. If Talibaan invaded America, and many American civilians were killed in the process, would that mean the Americans picked the battlefield, and therefore their citizens deserve to die?


Indeed abu, which is why any attempt at extremism on our soil will be met with the utmost of Aussie hostility. You do realise that those asswipes that plotted to attack Holsworthy Army base are going to experience some discomforts in jail, don't you?

Yes, it is sad that civilians are caught in the crossfire, especially innocent children, but militants, extremists, insurgents and subhumans are accountable for aiding in the cesspool of humanity that the Mid East has become.
My question to you- are you part of the problem, or the solution?

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by abu_rashid on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 5:58am
More random acts of dropping explosives onto civilians.



Pakistan hit by deadly drone strike
First US drone attack in a month kills at least seven, further testing diplomatic ties between Washington and Islamabad.
Last Modified: 21 Feb 2011 10:18 GMT


The Pakistani public sees the drone attacks as a breach of national sovereignty [EPA]


A US drone strike has killed at least seven people in a tribal region along Pakistan's western border, Pakistani officials have said, the first such attack in a month.

The attack is likely to further test diplomatic ties between Washington and Islamabad, following the shooting last month by a US offiical of two men he says were trying to rob him in Lahore.

At least four missiles were fired on Monday from the unmanned aircraft at a suspected training centre for fighters in Azam Warsak, just west of Wana, the main town in the South Waziristan tribal agency, intelligence officials in South Waziristan said.

"According to initial reports there were foreigners among the dead," one of the officials said.

A second official said the foreign nationals killed included three people from Turkmenistan and two Arab nationals.
It is the first time since January 23 that intelligence officials have reported a US drone attack, marking a resumption of a campaign that has become the centrepiece of Washington's efforts to halt fighter launching attacks on its soldiers in Afghanistan.

While the drone strikes have killed al-Qaeda and Taliban figures, many of the senior fighters are living in cities like
Quetta or Karachi that Pakistan has made off-limits to strikes.

Difficult decision

Many analysts believe Washington halted the attacks to avoid further inflaming anti-American fury in Pakistan as it pressures Islamabad to release the US official, named Raymond Davis, a US consulate employee who was imprisoned following the shooting.

Others speculate the pause was due to poor weather or an inability to find reliable targets as fighters hunt down
Pakistanis they believe are feeding intelligence information.

The US, which provides Pakistan with billions of dollars a year in military and civilian aid, is leaning hard on the government of Asif Ali Zardari, Pakistan's president, to release Davis on the grounds that the US national is shielded by diplomatic immunity.

The Pakistan government faces a difficult decision, with protesters burning US flags and demanding Davis be tried for murder in local courts.

The drone attacks are seen as both a risk and a necessity for Pakistan, under pressure from its chief ally in the West to combat fighters while also facing mounting resentment from Pakistanis who decry the government for bowing to US wishes.

There is also debate over the effectiveness of the strikes.

Source: al-Jazeerah

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 7:51am
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs Abu.
It's unfortunate, but it's also true.

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Beertruk on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 8:55pm

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:20pm:
The resistance forces live in their own land. When your land is invaded, you live in it, and fight for your freedom from the invaders within it. Stop making excuses for these despicable acts of inhumanity.


Quote:
Islamic lead terrorists pick the battlefield, so they are responsible for the deaths.


The invaders chose the battlefield. If Talibaan invaded America, and many American civilians were killed in the process, would that mean the Americans picked the battlefield, and therefore their citizens deserve to die?



We are not talking about Terry Talibaan invading America so has nothing to do with it. . We are talking about what happened in Kunar. Terry Talibaan picked the battleground so they are ultimately responsible for the deaths of those civilians.

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by abu_rashid on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 6:13am
The inhumanity continues.. where are the monsters to tell us it's ok to murder little kids? Come forward, and have your justifications at hand.



Afghan family slain in NATO strike



At least six members of the same family have been killed in an overnight airstrike on a home in the eastern Afghanistan city of Jalalabad, a report says.

The airstrike claimed the lives of six civilians, all members of the same family, including 4 children, in Nangarhar province in Eastern Afghanistan, a Press TV correspondent reported on Monday.

The incident came the day after President Hamid Karzai accused NATO troops of killing some 50 civilians in five days of airstrikes in the neighboring Kunar province.

Civilian casualties in US-led military operations have long been a source of friction between the Afghan government and NATO.

2010 was the deadliest year for Afghan civilians since the US-led invasion almost a decade ago. An estimated 2,400 civilians were killed last year by both US-led forces and militants.

The surge in violence comes despite the presence of 150,000 foreign troops, which are engaged in the so-called war on terrorism. The war in Afghanistan, with civilian and military casualties at record highs, has become the longest war in US history.

Official figures indicate that at least 2,330 NATO soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan since the US invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.

The United States and its allies are calling for talks with the Taliban as the war has entered its tenth year in Afghanistan.

Source: PressTV

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Beertruk on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 9:59pm
Well...the Seppos, NATO an us  wouldnt be in Afghanistan if Al-Qaeda had not of killed all those people in September 2001, Bali 2002 and 2005 bombings, Mandrid 2004 bombings or the London July 2005 bombings. Al-Qaeda, if they werent directly involved in the other bombings after September 2001, are indirectly involved by providing support for the other atrocities. Terry Taliban   brought it all on themselves by letting Al-Qaeda shackup with them.  I havent noticed you bleating about muslims ( spelt with a 's'..not a 'z' this time...dont want you blowing a poofer valve and getting a fatwa put on us) blowing up other muslims yet. Or are you going to the usual thing and  blame that on the US, NATO, us or the Jooows...sorry...Jews?

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Lestat on Feb 24th, 2011 at 7:22am

Beertruk wrote on Feb 23rd, 2011 at 9:59pm:
Well...the Seppos, NATO an us  wouldnt be in Afghanistan if Al-Qaeda had not of killed all those people in September 2001, Bali 2002 and 2005 bombings, Mandrid 2004 bombings or the London July 2005 bombings. Al-Qaeda, if they werent directly involved in the other bombings after September 2001, are indirectly involved by providing support for the other atrocities. Terry Taliban   brought it all on themselves by letting Al-Qaeda shackup with them.  I havent noticed you bleating about muslims ( spelt with a 's'..not a 'z' this time...dont want you blowing a poofer valve and getting a fatwa put on us) blowing up other muslims yet. Or are you going to the usual thing and  blame that on the US, NATO, us or the Jooows...sorry...Jews?


September 11 would never of happened if not for over 50 years of US meddling in arab and muslim affairs.

The American people brought it upon themselves by continously supporting there govermnents foreign policy which has resulted in the oppression and/or deaths of millions all over the world.

Backing dictators, oppressing and invading muslim lands. The US and the west finally got a dose of their own medicine and now they are whinging like the bitches they are!

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Lestat on Feb 24th, 2011 at 7:24am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 7:51am:
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs Abu.
It's unfortunate, but it's also true.


Nice...really classy. You can tell alot about a person by the analogies they use. Devalueing the worth of human life like that...

Are you a zionist by any chance?

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:04am

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 7:24am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 7:51am:
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs Abu.
It's unfortunate, but it's also true.


Nice...really classy. You can tell alot about a person by the analogies they use. Devalueing the worth of human life like that...

Are you a zionist by any chance?


No-one has been devalued here.
But the expectation that civilians wont die during combat operations is a waste of time.
Particularly when terrorists mingle amongst the civilian populace.

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Lestat on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:16am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:04am:

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 7:24am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 7:51am:
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs Abu.
It's unfortunate, but it's also true.


Nice...really classy. You can tell alot about a person by the analogies they use. Devalueing the worth of human life like that...

Are you a zionist by any chance?


No-one has been devalued here.
But the expectation that civilians wont die during combat operations is a waste of time.
Particularly when terrorists mingle amongst the civilian populace.


Does this logic of yours apply to western civilians as well? Like when the US houses military offices in the twin towers? You know...terrrorists (the US military) mingling amongst the civilian populate.

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:23am

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:16am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:04am:

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 7:24am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 7:51am:
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs Abu.
It's unfortunate, but it's also true.


Nice...really classy. You can tell alot about a person by the analogies they use. Devalueing the worth of human life like that...

Are you a zionist by any chance?


No-one has been devalued here.
But the expectation that civilians wont die during combat operations is a waste of time.
Particularly when terrorists mingle amongst the civilian populace.


Does this logic of yours apply to western civilians as well? Like when the US houses military offices in the twin towers? You know...terrrorists (the US military) mingling amongst the civilian populate.


No it doesn't actually.
The targets on 11 September 2001 were the civilians.
And I suspect you already know that.

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Yadda on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:39am

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 7:24am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 7:51am:
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs Abu.
It's unfortunate, but it's also true.


Nice...really classy. You can tell alot about a person by the analogies they use. Devalueing the worth of human life like that...

Are you a zionist by any chance?



Lestat,

I always find it so insincere for moslems, and for moslem apologists, to whine, whine, whine, about the deaths of moslems, when moslems themselves, make a conscious choice, to be in conflict with no-moslems.

When ISLAM itself, states that such conflicts with non-moslems, is OBLIGATORY, for all moslems.

Jihad [fighting and dying for Allah], is OBLIGATORY, for all moslems.

Indeed, ISLAM teaches all good moslems, that it is A GREAT HONOUR for any moslem to die, for ISLAM.

So, why do moslems whine so, when moslems, OR, anyone else, is killed as a consequence of the fulfilment of their desire for conflict and war ???

THIS WHINING BY MOSLEMS IS SO, SO, DISINGENUOUS.

SEE THE IMAGES, IN THIS OZ POL POST...
"Arab world in revolt, how will the West fare"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1296163674/58#58



"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025




e.g.
June 26, 2006
The roots of Islamism
".....Islamists believe in the re-ordering of society to secure total submission to a narrow, puritan and fundamentalist interpretation of Islam......
That cleansing process must be accomplished by suicidal violence, because, in the words of Islamism's most influential thinker, Sayyid Qutb, "the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood.".....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/michael_gove/article679544.ece



Quote:
.
"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb - speaking of the 'religious freedom' which moslems demand for themselves.
The 'religious freedom' to kill and to be killed, for Allah, and for the sake of ISLAM.


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods;....they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:..."
Koran 9.111

THE HADITH...

"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

i.e. Muhammad is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And that Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed.






Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Yadda on Feb 24th, 2011 at 10:15am

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 7:24am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 7:51am:
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs Abu.
It's unfortunate, but it's also true.


Nice...really classy. You can tell alot about a person by the analogies they use. Devalueing the worth of human life like that...

Are you a zionist by any chance?



Lestat,

Are you a 'sincere' moslem by any chance ???


+++


ISLAM is a death cult.

ISLAM celebrates the death of moslems, when moslems die in Allah's cause [i.e. for the violent spread of ISLAM].

Proof, evidence, for that claim ???

Google;
moslems celebrate when their children die as a martyr
[5 million plus hits for that search]




ISLAM's own foundation texts [the Koran and Hadith], openly promote violence and conflict with all non-moslems, to achieve the spread of ISLAMIC authority over all of mankind.

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods;....they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:..."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123





Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Lestat on Feb 24th, 2011 at 10:39am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:23am:

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:16am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:04am:

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 7:24am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 7:51am:
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs Abu.
It's unfortunate, but it's also true.


Nice...really classy. You can tell alot about a person by the analogies they use. Devalueing the worth of human life like that...

Are you a zionist by any chance?


No-one has been devalued here.
But the expectation that civilians wont die during combat operations is a waste of time.
Particularly when terrorists mingle amongst the civilian populace.


Does this logic of yours apply to western civilians as well? Like when the US houses military offices in the twin towers? You know...terrrorists (the US military) mingling amongst the civilian populate.


No it doesn't actually.
The targets on 11 September 2001 were the civilians.
And I suspect you already know that.


Just as the target in these instances were Afghan civilians. I suspect you already know that..but don't really care.

"Local residents say the airstrike targeted homes in the area and all those killed were civilians"

Yes, when you target civilian homes, civilians will be killed.


Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Lestat on Feb 24th, 2011 at 10:39am
Yadda, you bore me with your continous cut and paste. When your ready to have a proper discussion let me know.

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Yadda on Feb 24th, 2011 at 11:07am

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 10:39am:
.
Yadda, you bore me with your continous cut and paste. When your ready to have a proper discussion let me know.



Lestat,

So, presumably, your argument in this forum is that;
The actions of good [i.e. devout] moslems, in the world, ARE NOT INFLUENCED BY THE CONTENTS OF ISLAM's foundation texts [the Koran and Hadith] ???

Yes, OR, no ???

And if 'no', then please tell us all, what does influence moslems to be continually in conflict,
#1, with fellow moslems, and,
#2, with everyone else [i.e. with the non-moslem world]   ?????

'ISLAM is peace.' ?????

LOL

Google;
bombing in iraq, dozens killed


The 'fruit' of ISLAM, in this world, is plain for all to see;
Conflict, death, misery, oppression, corruption, human poverty.



Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Equitist on Feb 24th, 2011 at 11:14am


Clearly, all Xtians/Westerners are taught to hate Muslims from birth...


Yadda wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 11:07am:

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 10:39am:
.
Yadda, you bore me with your continous cut and paste. When your ready to have a proper discussion let me know.



Lestat,

So, presumably, your argument in this forum is, that the actions of good [i.e. devout] moslems, in the world, ARE NOT INFLUENCED BY THE CONTENTS OF ISLAM foundation texts [the Koran and Hadith] ???

Yes, OR, no ???

And if 'no', then please tell us all, what does influence moslems to be continually in conflict with,
#1, with fellow moslems, and,
#2, with everyone else [i.e. with the non-moslem world]   ?????

'ISLAM is peace.' ?????

LOL

Google;
bombing in iraq, dozens killed


The 'fruit' of ISLAM, in this world, is plain for all to see;
Conflict, death, misery, oppression, corruption, human poverty.


::)

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Yadda on Feb 24th, 2011 at 11:21am

Equitist wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 11:14am:
Clearly, all Xtians/Westerners are taught to hate Muslims from birth...

::)



Equitist,

How ironic, that you should make such an accusation against Christians.


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."

Koran 5.51

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98



Cut & Paste Yadda




Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Equitist on Feb 24th, 2011 at 11:29am



Yadda wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 11:21am:

Equitist wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 11:14am:
Clearly, all Xtians/Westerners are taught to hate Muslims from birth...

::)



Equitist,

How ironic, that you should make such an accusation against Christians.


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."

Koran 5.51

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98



Cut & Paste Yadda



How ironic, that you should lack the capacity to detect the blatant sarcasm!?

::)






Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Yadda on Feb 24th, 2011 at 11:32am

Yadda wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 11:21am:
.

Equitist,

How ironic, that you should make such an accusation against Christians.



And how ironic, that a poster in this forum, would portray himself/herself, as an 'Equitist'.

Dictionary;
equitable = = fair and impartial.

Cut & Paste Yadda



Yes, how ironic.

And how very moslem.

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110







Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Feb 24th, 2011 at 11:51am

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 10:39am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:23am:

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:16am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:04am:

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 7:24am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 7:51am:
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs Abu.
It's unfortunate, but it's also true.


Nice...really classy. You can tell alot about a person by the analogies they use. Devalueing the worth of human life like that...

Are you a zionist by any chance?


No-one has been devalued here.
But the expectation that civilians wont die during combat operations is a waste of time.
Particularly when terrorists mingle amongst the civilian populace.


Does this logic of yours apply to western civilians as well? Like when the US houses military offices in the twin towers? You know...terrrorists (the US military) mingling amongst the civilian populate.


No it doesn't actually.
The targets on 11 September 2001 were the civilians.
And I suspect you already know that.


Just as the target in these instances were Afghan civilians. I suspect you already know that..but don't really care.

"Local residents say the airstrike targeted homes in the area and all those killed were civilians"

Yes, when you target civilian homes, civilians will be killed.


I suspect that NATO was chasing extremists, not women and children.
The days of carpet bombing enemy cities went out of fashion some time ago now.

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Lestat on Feb 24th, 2011 at 12:03pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 11:51am:

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 10:39am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:23am:

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:16am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:04am:

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 7:24am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 7:51am:
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs Abu.
It's unfortunate, but it's also true.


Nice...really classy. You can tell alot about a person by the analogies they use. Devalueing the worth of human life like that...

Are you a zionist by any chance?


No-one has been devalued here.
But the expectation that civilians wont die during combat operations is a waste of time.
Particularly when terrorists mingle amongst the civilian populace.


Does this logic of yours apply to western civilians as well? Like when the US houses military offices in the twin towers? You know...terrrorists (the US military) mingling amongst the civilian populate.


No it doesn't actually.
The targets on 11 September 2001 were the civilians.
And I suspect you already know that.


Just as the target in these instances were Afghan civilians. I suspect you already know that..but don't really care.

"Local residents say the airstrike targeted homes in the area and all those killed were civilians"

Yes, when you target civilian homes, civilians will be killed.


I suspect that NATO was chasing extremists, not women and children.
The days of carpet bombing enemy cities went out of fashion some time ago now.


Just because you suspect something does not make it so.

Yes, the days of carpet bombings are out of fashion, to be replaced with missiles targetting civilian homes.

The end result is the same, the deaths of innocent civilians.


Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Lestat on Feb 24th, 2011 at 12:05pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 11:21am:

Equitist wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 11:14am:
Clearly, all Xtians/Westerners are taught to hate Muslims from birth...

::)



Equitist,

How ironic, that you should make such an accusation against Christians.


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."

Koran 5.51

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98



Cut & Paste Yadda



LOL @ Yadda  ;D

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Yadda on Feb 24th, 2011 at 12:15pm
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The response of Lestat, in its entirety;


Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 12:05pm:
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LOL @ Yadda  ;D



I am always happy to amuse you Lestat.



Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Yadda on Feb 24th, 2011 at 12:28pm

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 12:03pm:
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The end result is the same, the deaths of innocent civilians.



SEE THE IMAGES, of more 'innocent civilians' here...
"Arab world in revolt, how will the West fare"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1296163674/58#58




Quote:
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"....if children are killed, the fault lies with the adult occupiers who brought them into a battlefield situation."

[moslem cleric quoted]

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/februaryweb-only/22.0.html

Yadda paraphrases the comment of the moslem cleric [above] for everyone;

IN ANY CONFLICT WITH MOSLEMS;
#1,
IF MOSLEMS DIE, IT IS THE FAULT OF NON-MOSLEMS.
#2,
IF NON-MOSLEMS DIE, IT IS THE FAULT OF NON-MOSLEMS.




Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Beertruk on Feb 24th, 2011 at 4:59pm

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:16am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:04am:

Lestat wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 7:24am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 22nd, 2011 at 7:51am:
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs Abu.
It's unfortunate, but it's also true.


Nice...really classy. You can tell alot about a person by the analogies they use. Devalueing the worth of human life like that...

Are you a zionist by any chance?


No-one has been devalued here.
But the expectation that civilians wont die during combat operations is a waste of time.
Particularly when terrorists mingle amongst the civilian populace.


Does this logic of yours apply to western civilians as well? Like when the US houses military offices in the twin towers? You know...terrrorists (the US military) mingling amongst the civilian populate.



US Military...wears military uniforms so they are distinguisable amongst  the civilian population...Terry Taliban and muslim terrorists wear the same clothing as civilians...so they are indistinguisable amongst the civilian population.

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by abu_rashid on Feb 24th, 2011 at 10:01pm

Quote:
"....if children are killed, the fault lies with the adult occupiers who brought them into a battlefield situation."


So you think if a people want to occupy someone elses land, and they engage in violence to occupy it, and they move their families into the occupied territory (obviously in order to use them as human shields), then the people defending their homes from the invading occupiers would be at fault is those civilians were hurt?

So tell me, Indonesia has many times the population of Australia, if they decided to do a mass population invasion, and expel us from Australia, and they brought their families and booted us out, you think Australians would not fight (and inevitably hurt the civilians they brought into the occupation zone) and would just get up and leave peacefully or be herded into refugee camps?

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Yadda on Feb 24th, 2011 at 10:41pm

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 10:01pm:

Quote:
"....if children are killed, the fault lies with the adult occupiers who brought them into a battlefield situation."


So you think if a people want to occupy someone elses land, and they engage in violence to occupy it, and they move their families into the occupied territory (obviously in order to use them as human shields), then the people defending their homes from the invading occupiers would be at fault is those civilians were hurt?

So tell me, Indonesia has many times the population of Australia, if they decided to do a mass population invasion, and expel us from Australia, and they brought their families and booted us out, you think Australians would not fight (and inevitably hurt the civilians they brought into the occupation zone) and would just get up and leave peacefully or be herded into refugee camps?


I believe that each one of us, knows the difference between good and bad, between good and evil.

But that the history of mankind shows that invariably, many men choose to do what is wicked, when such behaviour [choices] will be advantageous to them, even when their actions will cause harm to their brothers and sisters.

Such people will be brought to account.

All of us will be brought to account, for our mistakes.


Matthew 7:12
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

and;
Luke 10:25-28
Leviticus 19:18





We are 'caught' here.

We are in bondage, here.

God's mercy towards men, is enduring and unmoveable.

But God's mercy, is for the repentant soul.

And in the judgement, the unrepentant, wilful wicked man, can expect the 'stick' from God, not mercy.


Proverbs 16:6
By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.

Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7  Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.




If we want God's mercy, we must repent now, and here.

'Repentance' when we are brought to judgement, will be futile, such repentance will be recognised for what it is, insincere.

One of my favourite Koran verses...

"Then, on the Day of Judgment,.....Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily [God] knoweth all that ye did;"
Koran 16.27


God is clever.

Just look at the world of men.

Men are [mostly] dumb, vain, and wicked.

God made us, for his own purposes.

And our God, knows how to separate his 'children', from the wicked among men.

God is clever.




We [mankind] are flesh.

God is spirit.

Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9  For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.






Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Equitist on Feb 24th, 2011 at 10:45pm



Crikey, I fear that Yadda might be serious!?

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Yadda on Feb 24th, 2011 at 11:28pm

Equitist wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 10:45pm:

Crikey, I fear that Yadda might be serious!?


Atheism is correct ???

God does not exist ???

And you and your atheist mates, fully understand the 'reality' which we experience.

Sure.

In your dreams sunshine.     ;D





If an atheist stepped outside on a sunny cloudless day, an atheist would never dream of suggesting that there are no stars in the sky, above their head.

Why?

Because...
Even though an atheist cannot see the stars overhead, they know the stars are there.



Equitist,
IMO, you, and many atheists like you, do not have the humility to imagine that reality, is NOT bounded by your own senses and comprehension.

You and yours, imagine that it is impossible, for you to be incorrect [relating to the existence of God].

So be it.

Go your own way.
Walk your path.

Believe what you will.
Because we all do!      


John 3:3-12
'...The wind [the spirit of God] bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?'

'That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.'

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17  Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12  Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.




Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by abu_rashid on Feb 25th, 2011 at 5:48am

Quote:
Crikey, I fear that Yadda might be serious!?


Serious? Seriously in need of therapy.

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Lestat on Feb 25th, 2011 at 7:17am

Beertruk wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 4:59pm:
US Military...wears military uniforms so they are distinguisable amongst  the civilian population...Terry Taliban and muslim terrorists wear the same clothing as civilians...so they are indistinguisable amongst the civilian population.


So the military offices that were in the twin towers wore military uniforms??

Oh.. I get it. Murdering and bombing innocent civilians and raping woman is fine, as long as you are wearing a US military uniform. Great logic there.....but those that are defending there country from an invading force and invaders...should not do so cause they don't have uniforms

What a simple view from a simple minded person.
You should ease up on the beer...its going to your head.

And the taliban are from the civilian population you dimwit. Where do you want them to go?

Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Lestat on Feb 25th, 2011 at 7:19am
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Title: Re: US-led terrorists murder 37 civilians
Post by Lestat on Feb 25th, 2011 at 7:21am

Equitist wrote on Feb 24th, 2011 at 10:45pm:
Crikey, I fear that Yadda might be serious!?


I'm still trying to figure out if he's a very disturbed person, or a very intellegent/advanced bot.

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