Words can paint a picture in our mind.

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Are these days the Biblical end times ?

Luke 17:26
And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

'...as it was in the days of Noe'  ???

Genesis 6:5
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
11  ....and the earth was filled with violence.

Jesus speaking to the Jewish people [Matthew 15:22-24], told his followers to watch the times.

But also, he told them not be fearful or alarmed, as the time of their redemption approached.

Matthew 24:32
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33  So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.



I believe, that the God of Israel will reveal himself to Judah, and save him.

At that time, many among the other tribes of men will see this, and finally repent.

Isaiah 25:7
And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

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The God of Israel is going to bring the Jewish people 'to heel'.

The moslem nations, who today surround Israel, are certain, that they will destroy the Jewish state.
On that day, they will be certain, that their generation will be the destroyers of the Jewish state, and of the Jewish people.

Psalms 83:4
They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

But on that day, those who come against Israel will be the victims of the blood bath.

"Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:
Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee.
...Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there:
...And thou shalt know that I am the LORD, and that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.
Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them."
Ezekiel 35

N.B.
"...with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them."

Q.
Who, is greater than the God of Israel ???

A.
Ask a moslem.



The world community will be outraged, at the massacre of so many of those who, for so long, have hated and persecuted the Jewish people.

Jezreel is set up.

Isaiah 57:13
When thou criest, let thy companies deliver thee; but the wind shall carry them all away; vanity shall take them: but he that putteth his trust in me shall possess the land, and shall inherit my holy mountain;
14  And shall say, Cast ye up, cast ye up, prepare the way, take up the stumblingblock out of the way of my people.



What 'sort' of man does a righteous God abhor ??

Proverbs 21:24
Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath.

Psalms 10:3
For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.



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Where should we go, what should we do ?

Proverbs 3:34
Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly.

Revelation 3:2
Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
3  Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent.

Psalms 34:18
The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

Isaiah 57:15
For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

Isaiah 26:20
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21  For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Amos 5:18
Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

Doubtful Yadda....

None of the precursor conditions have been met...

Revelation was a message to specific groups of Christians in Asia Minor (7 settlements in total) not to assimilate into the Roman imperial culture. It has to be taken in the concept of the day.  John's message (not the apostle John) was that the contemporary Greco-Roman society was beastly, demonic and subject to divine judgment.


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During a discussion about Revelation on 23 August 2006, Pope Benedict XVI remarked: "The seer of Patmos, identified with the apostle, is granted a series of visions meant to reassure the Christians of Asia amid the persecutions and trials of the end of the first century.

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=20995

Many theologians agree that Revelation has no eschatological implications past the first few hundred years of the first  Millennium CE.

Hey Yadda -
you stole my thread title:  :)

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298455599/0#0

muso wrote on Mar 26^th, 2011 at 4:08pm:

Revelation was a message to specific groups of Christians in Asia Minor (7 settlements in total) not to assimilate into the Roman imperial culture. It has to be taken in the concept of the day.  John's message (not the apostle John) was that the contemporary Greco-Roman society was beastly, demonic and subject to divine judgment. Quote: During a discussion about Revelation on 23 August 2006, Pope Benedict XVI remarked: "The seer of Patmos, identified with the apostle, is granted a series of visions meant to reassure the Christians of Asia amid the persecutions and trials of the end of the first century. http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=20995 Many theologians agree that Revelation has no eschatological implications past the first few hundred years of the first  Millennium CE.

interesting...

"Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr" (The Book of Revelation and Eschatology) arrive at the following conclusions:

In conclusion, I believe that Revelation was written in about A.D. 65. I further believe that it speaks to the original Christian audience regarding difficulties they were facing and in explanation of the coming final removal of Jerusalem by God’s wrath.


The book is to be understood preteristically, rather than futuristically. We learn this not only from the imminent expectation in the book, but also from its theme (which involves the judgment of the Jews) and due to its leading characters: Jerusalem (as a harlot) and Rome (as a Beast).

What a pity we have to refer to the most ancient account. That no New Bible has been, to update the times. No new news, men, or prophets.

And don't for a second say all these old words are surely eternal, as if gospel, when may be a lens through human eyes.

If WW1 and WWII and the threat of WWIII ain't the "End Times,' I''d love to hate to know what is.

And if Revs is not future. what of the devil was laid to rest 1000 years in the millennium of peace then he was let loose again?
 Seems the milllenium is dawning, to me.

 It is the endtimes and man avoided the worst, for his goodness, may be the answer.
 Someone said to me long ago Revs was a warning for mankind. That if he didn't change, that would happen.

Superman1 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2011 at 11:17pm:

What a pity we have to refer to the most ancient account. That no New Bible has been, to update the times. No new news, men, or prophets. And don't for a second say all these old words are surely eternal, as if gospel, when may be a lens through human eyes. If WW1 and WWII and the threat of WWIII ain't the "End Times,' I''d love to hate to know what is. And if Revs is not future. what of the devil was laid to rest 1000 years in the millenium of peace then he was let loose again?  Seems the milllenium is dawning, to me.  It is the endtimes and man avoided the worst, for his goodness, may be the answer.  Someone said to me long ago Revs was a warning for mankind. That if he didn't change, that would happen.

Man has never changed - and there is little evidence to sugegst that he ever will

The ciritcal difference now is that the arsenal of weaponry at his disposal is sadly apocalyptical in nature.

Man has never changed - and there is little evidence to sugegst that he ever will

___________

the only constant in fact,is change.

this is the 3rd order of dimension/density in a state of duality.

cut off from your divine self.

the question is,can you make it back unto the LIGHT within you?

for his is the test you bestowed upon yourselves beloved ones..

this remains to be seen.

yours in CHRISTED LIGHT.

namaste

-:)

id foolosophy,

i hear/see many hopeless frequencies from your inputs here

on these pages we do confront each other upon in these now moments.

this is a reflection upon your individual level of consciousness

with forgiveness

namaste

-:)

What a pity we have to refer to the most ancient account. That no New Bible has been, to update the times. No new news, men, or prophets.

____________

those with eyes that do not see are forgiven

in CHRISTED LIGHT

namaste

-:)

Then I forgive you, Light.

You are right we are cut off from our divine self. :P
In your opinion, why were we cut off in the first place?
Or were we created that way?
Because obviously Adam and Eve, like Genesis, is made up by man.

I was not saying all the Bible is bullshit. The NT is obviously a goldmine. The OT is often questionable.

you have been incarnated of your own freewill,

you chose to experience this 3rd dimension,often

we do this as eternal beings of LIGHT yes

so as to keep grounded and have these fresh experiences.

in 3rd dimension before we go to higher dimensions,its cyclical.

then we drop down to the lower dimensions and start again.

we are eternal.

can you make your way back to your higher self?

maybe not this time but you will,fear not

that is the key do not fear,face these fears and dissolve these.

embrace LOVE and LIGHT.

and you will fare better than having not done so..

freewill..this will not effect unto me brother being,only you

namaste

-:)

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 26^th, 2011 at 1:44pm:

Doubtful Yadda.... None of the precursor conditions have been met...

The 'signs of the times' are everywhere, and they are 'about us' gizmo.

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Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

"Watch ye therefore,..." ???

Those words of Jesus, were preceded by these...

Luke 21:34
And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35  For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.



Galatians 6:8
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?




If there is a God, and if God is the master [creator] of us all, shouldn't we be trying to please our master ?

How ?

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.


If there is a God, does God 'owe' us anything ?

Luke 17:7
But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
8  And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
9  Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
10  So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

Matthew 22:36
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[Deuteronomy 10:12]


Jesus heals ten lepers...

Luke 17:15
And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,
16  And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.
17  And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?
18  There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.

After being healed, how many of the ten lepers, was worthy, was grateful, in finding 'liberty' from their affliction ?

Just one, in ten ?

God is the wise shepherd.
And we [mankind] are the dumb,  ....lost sheep, wandering in this world, lost in the world.



"...apparently we are all born spiritual and free, and then [this] life entraps us."
Frankie - LOVE MY WAY
My Family Up A Tree

Yep, we are spirits ensnared, and blinded, by our cares for the things of this world.

Matthew 6:21
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.



John 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Matthew 24:38
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39  And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 10:07am:

Yadda's souless carcass yearns for the day that it will be reddled with the maggots of Nimrod Until such time we must endure his bigoted ramblings and Apocalyptical one sided psychopathic nuerosis

Ah, such eloquence.

And, from one with such a moniker as 'she' has.




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Job 19:25
For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26  And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
27  Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.
28  But ye should say, Why persecute we him, seeing the root of the matter is found in me?
29  Be ye afraid of the sword: for wrath bringeth the punishments of the sword, that ye may know there is a judgment.

Yadda,

Does thee ever quote the Talmudian verses?

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 10:46am:

Yadda, Does thee ever quote the Talmudian verses?

Verily I say unto thee, not bloody likely because he's a Christian.

I'm pretty sure that there is a connection between the apocryphal book of Enoch  and Revelation. The most obvious connection is with Ezekiel.

There are various interpretations of the date of Revelation. Most academics agree that it couldn't have been written by the Apostle John, aso I'm told.

Revelation is 'probably' contemporaneous to the gospels, or at least the oldest two gospels.  

Most of Paul's writing were at least 250 years later, and there is a big question (by those mostly atheistic theologians) on exactly how relevant they are to the original teachings of Christ.  

As a non Christian, I find the historiography of the Bible quite fascinating.

muso wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 11:00am:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 10:46am: Yadda, Does thee ever quote the Talmudian verses? Verily I say unto thee, not bloody likely because he's a Christian. I'm pretty sure that there is a connection between the apocryphal book of Enoch  and Revelation. The most obvious connection is with Ezekiel. There are various interpretations of the date of Revelation. Most academics agree that it couldn't have been written by the Apostle John, aso I'm told. Revelation is 'probably' contemporaneous to the gospels, or at least the oldest two gospels.   Most of Paul's writing were at least 250 years later, and there is a big question (by those mostly atheistic theologians) on exactly how relevant they are to the original teachings of Christ.   As a non Christian, I find the historiography of the Bible quite fascinating.

Very interesting indeed.

In fact its also interesting to trace back the Hellenic roots of Christianity.

Almost all of the Christian morals and ethics were based on the ancient Hellenic Englightenment epoch (which shouldn't really surprise anyone as that epoch still reverberates in today's world)

Jesus was basically a Hellenised Jew - a Humanist/pacifist socialist leaning anarchist.

Jesus rejected much of the Old Testament immorality and cruelty which is why Jews reject Christ even until this very day. Nowadays Orthodox Jews burn copies of the Gospels in the streets of Israeli cities - imagine an Moslem doing that anywhere in the world today? Would it get any publicity?)  

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 11:58am:

muso wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 11:00am: Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 10:46am: Yadda, Does thee ever quote the Talmudian verses? Verily I say unto thee, not bloody likely because he's a Christian. I'm pretty sure that there is a connection between the apocryphal book of Enoch  and Revelation. The most obvious connection is with Ezekiel. There are various interpretations of the date of Revelation. Most academics agree that it couldn't have been written by the Apostle John, aso I'm told. Revelation is 'probably' contemporaneous to the gospels, or at least the oldest two gospels.   Most of Paul's writing were at least 250 years later, and there is a big question (by those mostly atheistic theologians) on exactly how relevant they are to the original teachings of Christ.   As a non Christian, I find the historiography of the Bible quite fascinating. Very interesting indeed. In fact its also interesting to trace back the Hellenic roots of Christianity. Almost all of the Christian morals and ethics were based on the ancient Hellenic Englightenment epoch (which shouldn't really surprise anyone as that epoch still reverberates in today's world) Jesus was basically a Hellenised Jew - a Humanist/pacifist socialist leaning anarchist. Jesus rejected much of the Old Testament immorality and cruelty which is why Jews reject Christ even until this very day. Nowadays Orthodox Jews burn copies of the Gospels in the streets of Israeli cities - imagine an Moslem doing that anywhere in the world today? Would it get any publicity?)

So why does the Christian Bible still include the Old Testament???

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

So why does the Christian Bible still include the Old Testament???

I could answer that with the stock reply, but it's probably better coming from a Christian. Yadda?

muso wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 2:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 2:11pm: So why does the Christian Bible still include the Old Testament??? I could answer that with the stock reply, but it's probably better coming from a Christian. Yadda?

Go for it...I'm not really a Christian either......(except when I need swear words)....

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 11:58am:

Very interesting indeed. In fact its also interesting to trace back the Hellenic roots of Christianity. Almost all of the Christian morals and ethics were based on the ancient Hellenic Englightenment epoch (which shouldn't really surprise anyone as that epoch still reverberates in today's world) Jesus was basically a Hellenised Jew - a Humanist/pacifist socialist leaning anarchist. Jesus rejected much of the Old Testament immorality and cruelty which is why Jews reject Christ even until this very day. Nowadays Orthodox Jews burn copies of the Gospels in the streets of Israeli cities - imagine an Moslem doing that anywhere in the world today? Would it get any publicity?)

I've heard a few different views on that. What about the Buddhist angle? Have you heard of that one? The Graeco Indian kingdom was finally invaded by the Scythians around 10 AD, and the resultant diaspora meant that there was suddenly a large number of Buddhist holy men wandering around the Middle East at this time.

The Sermon on the Mount had many elements in common with the Dhammapada of the Buddhists, and there are other examples such as the Last Supper.

- and then there were elements of  the Mithraic Mysteries. Whose birthday was December 25?

The Bible itself was, like all ancient works of literature the result of collections of oral traditions, and as story tellers travelled, they picked up embellishments.

You mentioned the (Anatolian) Greek influences. What about the parallels between Homer(if he existed) and parts of the Old Testament.  

muso wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 2:36pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 11:58am: Very interesting indeed. In fact its also interesting to trace back the Hellenic roots of Christianity. Almost all of the Christian morals and ethics were based on the ancient Hellenic Englightenment epoch (which shouldn't really surprise anyone as that epoch still reverberates in today's world) Jesus was basically a Hellenised Jew - a Humanist/pacifist socialist leaning anarchist. Jesus rejected much of the Old Testament immorality and cruelty which is why Jews reject Christ even until this very day. Nowadays Orthodox Jews burn copies of the Gospels in the streets of Israeli cities - imagine an Moslem doing that anywhere in the world today? Would it get any publicity?)   I've heard a few different views on that. What about the Buddhist angle? Have you heard of that one? The Graeco Indian kingdom was finally invaded by the Scythians around 10 AD, and the resultant diaspora meant that there was suddenly a large number of Buddhist holy men wandering around the Middle East at this time. The Sermon on the Mount had many elements in common with the Dhammapada of the Buddhists, and there are other examples such as the Last Supper. - and then there were elements of  the Mithraic Mysteries. Whose birthday was December 25? The Bible itself was, like all ancient works of literature the result of collections of oral traditions, and as story tellers travelled, they picked up embellishments. You mentioned the (Anatolian) Greek influences. What about the parallels between Homer(if he existed) and parts of the Old Testament.

As i recall...Nobodies....Christ 'birthday' was moved from June or July to December 25 to match up with assorted winter solstice celebrations....( possibly the festival of 'Sol Invictus' one of the Roman Sun gods, who's festival was December 25th..)

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 2:32pm:

muso wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 2:23pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 2:11pm: So why does the Christian Bible still include the Old Testament??? I could answer that with the stock reply, but it's probably better coming from a Christian. Yadda? Go for it...I'm not really a Christian either......(except when I need swear words)....

My theologian friend would be proud of me. OK, the Old Testament provides the context - the "historical" background for the coming of Jesus Christ and the rationale behind the new contract. It illustrates how people are incapable of being good.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Note that this is not inconsistent with Matthew 5:17.


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Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

or Matthew 5:18-19


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Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.

In other words, they still make it to heaven under the new contract, but they shall be called the least.

A lot of Atheists bring these verses from Matthew (and another from Luke) up ad nauseum, and religious folks never seem to be able to defend it all that well.  

Yadda - is that a fair summary?

muso wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 2:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 2:11pm: So why does the Christian Bible still include the Old Testament??? I could answer that with the stock reply, but it's probably better coming from a Christian. Yadda?

Put simply #1, because Jesus the man, was Jewish, AND, he was a Torah teacher [i.e. Jesus himself, validated OT scripture].

Put simply #2, because Jesus claimed to be the Jewish messiah.

Ergo, for Christians, the OT is [or, imo, should be considered by Christians as] valid scripture, along with the NT scripture.




It is recorded that Jesus himself quoted OT scripture frequently.

And Jesus himself claimed that OT scripture was his witness [see Luke 24 below].




Repeating what i said somewhere else on OzPol....


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OT and NT are two sides of the same coin. They are both, the word of God. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19  Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Luke 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. 22  Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre; 23  And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive. 24  And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not. 25  Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 26  Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27  And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. 28  And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further. 29  But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. 30  And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. 31  And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 2:49pm:

As i recall...Nobodies....Christ 'birthday' was moved from June or July to December 25 to match up with assorted winter solstice celebrations....( possibly the festival of 'Sol Invictus' one of the Roman Sun gods, who's festival was December 25th..)

http://www.edwardjayne.com/christology/mithra.html


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RESEMBLANCES BETWEEN MITHRAISM AND CHRISTIANITY 1. Both Mithras and Christ were portrayed as young and beardless; both sometimes appeared in the shepherd's role, and both saved mankind by performing sacrifical deeds. 2. Both Mithras and Christ had virgin births in the sense that they were conceived without any sexual union between man and woman. Christ's father was said to be God, while Mithras was said to have had no father or mother, having emerged as an adult from a large rock. 3. Both Mithraism and Christianity celebrated the birth of their god on the winter solstice, the 25th of December according to the Julian calendar. Both featured the sharing of presents, the use of Christmas trees with candles, and nativity scenes that included shepherds attracted by a sacred light. The special importance of this solstice ceremony to Mithraists would be indicated by the name Mithras, which derived from Meitras, which in Greek numerology refers to the number 365, the last day of the solar year at the winter solstice. 4. Both the Old Testament and Mithraic legend told of the first human couple having been created. Mithra supposedly kept a watchful eye over their descendents until Ahriman caused a draught that caused such thirst that they begged Mithra for water. 5. Both told of a major flood, in the case of Mithra through his having shot an arrow into a stone cliff to quench mankind's thirst. Unfortunately, the entire world's population was drowned in a flood produced by the water spout that gushed from the hole his arrow produced. One man alone (a Noah figure borrowed from the earlier Sumerian myth of Atrahasis) was warned in time and could therefore save himself and his cattle in an ark. 6. Both Mithraism and Christianity emphasized mankind's redemption resulting from a sacrificial death followed by the god's ascent to heaven. In the case of Christ, it was the god himself (or his son) who was sacrificed; in the case of Mithra, it was a sacred steer that Mithra sacrificed. 7. Both featured resurrection through sacrifice. Mithraism more obviously drew upon spring equinox fertility myths by depicting Mithra's sacrificial bull with a tail that consisted of sheaves of wheat that were supposedly scattered throughout the world once it was slaughtered. Also, the bull's blood formed the milky way, allowing human souls both to be born and to return to the heavens after death. 8. Both told of a Last Supper linked with the blood sacrifice whose symbolic recreation by eating bread and wine provided salvation for all worshippers. After Mithra killed the bull depicted in Mithraic art, he feasted upon it with the Sun God and other companions before ascending to the heavens in the sun god's chariot. The sequence was slightly different in the New Testament: Christ's Last Supper necessarily preceded his crucifixion rather than following it, after which he ascended to heaven. 9. Both emphasized purification through baptism, Mithraists by washing themselves in the blood of sacrificial oxen. While dying oxen bled to death on lattice floors built over their heads, initiates both drank and washed themselves with the blood that dripped on them. 10. Both featured secret temples located underground. For Christians it was a temporary expedient to avoid persecution, but for Mithraists it became a permanent institution, each small chapel, called a Mithraeum, having seated no more than fifty worshippers and having been constructed to point from east to west. Rounded ceilings were painted blue and imbedded with gemstones. There were no windows except for a few chapels in which tiny holes in the ceiling that had been bored to let in the light of certain stars at particular times of the year. 11. Both held Sunday to be sacred. 12. Both encouraged asceticism. Mithraists were expected to resist sensuality and to abstain from eating certain foods. 13. Both emphasized charity. Mithra was identified as the god of help who protected his worshippers, whatever their tribulations in life. 14. Last and probably least, both emphasized a rock, Mithra having been born from one and the Vatican having been built on one.

muso wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:11pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 2:49pm: As i recall...Nobodies....Christ 'birthday' was moved from June or July to December 25 to match up with assorted winter solstice celebrations....( possibly the festival of 'Sol Invictus' one of the Roman Sun gods, who's festival was December 25th..) http://www.edwardjayne.com/christology/mithra.html Quote: RESEMBLANCES BETWEEN MITHRAISM AND CHRISTIANITY 1. Both Mithras and Christ were portrayed as young and beardless; both sometimes appeared in the shepherd's role, and both saved mankind by performing sacrifical deeds. 2. Both Mithras and Christ had virgin births in the sense that they were conceived without any sexual union between man and woman. Christ's father was said to be God, while Mithras was said to have had no father or mother, having emerged as an adult from a large rock. 3. Both Mithraism and Christianity celebrated the birth of their god on the winter solstice, the 25th of December according to the Julian calendar. Both featured the sharing of presents, the use of Christmas trees with candles, and nativity scenes that included shepherds attracted by a sacred light. The special importance of this solstice ceremony to Mithraists would be indicated by the name Mithras, which derived from Meitras, which in Greek numerology refers to the number 365, the last day of the solar year at the winter solstice. 4. Both the Old Testament and Mithraic legend told of the first human couple having been created. Mithra supposedly kept a watchful eye over their descendents until Ahriman caused a draught that caused such thirst that they begged Mithra for water. 5. Both told of a major flood, in the case of Mithra through his having shot an arrow into a stone cliff to quench mankind's thirst. Unfortunately, the entire world's population was drowned in a flood produced by the water spout that gushed from the hole his arrow produced. One man alone (a Noah figure borrowed from the earlier Sumerian myth of Atrahasis) was warned in time and could therefore save himself and his cattle in an ark. 6. Both Mithraism and Christianity emphasized mankind's redemption resulting from a sacrificial death followed by the god's ascent to heaven. In the case of Christ, it was the god himself (or his son) who was sacrificed; in the case of Mithra, it was a sacred steer that Mithra sacrificed. 7. Both featured resurrection through sacrifice. Mithraism more obviously drew upon spring equinox fertility myths by depicting Mithra's sacrificial bull with a tail that consisted of sheaves of wheat that were supposedly scattered throughout the world once it was slaughtered. Also, the bull's blood formed the milky way, allowing human souls both to be born and to return to the heavens after death. 8. Both told of a Last Supper linked with the blood sacrifice whose symbolic recreation by eating bread and wine provided salvation for all worshippers. After Mithra killed the bull depicted in Mithraic art, he feasted upon it with the Sun God and other companions before ascending to the heavens in the sun god's chariot. The sequence was slightly different in the New Testament: Christ's Last Supper necessarily preceded his crucifixion rather than following it, after which he ascended to heaven. 9. Both emphasized purification through baptism, Mithraists by washing themselves in the blood of sacrificial oxen. While dying oxen bled to death on lattice floors built over their heads, initiates both drank and washed themselves with the blood that dripped on them. 10. Both featured secret temples located underground. For Christians it was a temporary expedient to avoid persecution, but for Mithraists it became a permanent institution, each small chapel, called a Mithraeum, having seated no more than fifty worshippers and having been constructed to point from east to west. Rounded ceilings were painted blue and imbedded with gemstones. There were no windows except for a few chapels in which tiny holes in the ceiling that had been bored to let in the light of certain stars at particular times of the year. 11. Both held Sunday to be sacred. 12. Both encouraged asceticism. Mithraists were expected to resist sensuality and to abstain from eating certain foods. 13. Both emphasized charity. Mithra was identified as the god of help who protected his worshippers, whatever their tribulations in life. 14. Last and probably least, both emphasized a rock, Mithra having been born from one and the Vatican having been built on one.

Oh I understand that muso...The mythos at least, but none the less, if you look into the records of the Govenors, the census' were most likely carried out in Spring or Summer....basically from April, to August...

In Rome itself, the census was taken in March...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 2:11pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 11:58am: muso wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 11:00am: Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 10:46am: Yadda, Does thee ever quote the Talmudian verses? Verily I say unto thee, not bloody likely because he's a Christian. I'm pretty sure that there is a connection between the apocryphal book of Enoch  and Revelation. The most obvious connection is with Ezekiel. There are various interpretations of the date of Revelation. Most academics agree that it couldn't have been written by the Apostle John, aso I'm told. Revelation is 'probably' contemporaneous to the gospels, or at least the oldest two gospels.   Most of Paul's writing were at least 250 years later, and there is a big question (by those mostly atheistic theologians) on exactly how relevant they are to the original teachings of Christ.   As a non Christian, I find the historiography of the Bible quite fascinating. Very interesting indeed. In fact its also interesting to trace back the Hellenic roots of Christianity. Almost all of the Christian morals and ethics were based on the ancient Hellenic Englightenment epoch (which shouldn't really surprise anyone as that epoch still reverberates in today's world) Jesus was basically a Hellenised Jew - a Humanist/pacifist socialist leaning anarchist. Jesus rejected much of the Old Testament immorality and cruelty which is why Jews reject Christ even until this very day. Nowadays Orthodox Jews burn copies of the Gospels in the streets of Israeli cities - imagine an Moslem doing that anywhere in the world today? Would it get any publicity?)   So why does the Christian Bible still include the Old Testament???

Ah yes - find the answer to that and ye shal verily discover a hidden secret my child.

One of the biggest propaganda campaigns and magic tricks to have struck the West is the coupling of the Old Testament with the Gospels or teachings of CHrist.

If you were to couple scriptures then the Old Testamen or Torah should be bound up together with the Koran - they are morally equivalent.

The inspiration for the ethical content described in the Gospels can be traced back to the ancient Hellenic enlightenment period.

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 2:11pm: Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 11:58am: muso wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 11:00am: Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 10:46am: Yadda, Does thee ever quote the Talmudian verses? Verily I say unto thee, not bloody likely because he's a Christian. I'm pretty sure that there is a connection between the apocryphal book of Enoch  and Revelation. The most obvious connection is with Ezekiel. There are various interpretations of the date of Revelation. Most academics agree that it couldn't have been written by the Apostle John, aso I'm told. Revelation is 'probably' contemporaneous to the gospels, or at least the oldest two gospels.   Most of Paul's writing were at least 250 years later, and there is a big question (by those mostly atheistic theologians) on exactly how relevant they are to the original teachings of Christ.   As a non Christian, I find the historiography of the Bible quite fascinating. Very interesting indeed. In fact its also interesting to trace back the Hellenic roots of Christianity. Almost all of the Christian morals and ethics were based on the ancient Hellenic Englightenment epoch (which shouldn't really surprise anyone as that epoch still reverberates in today's world) Jesus was basically a Hellenised Jew - a Humanist/pacifist socialist leaning anarchist. Jesus rejected much of the Old Testament immorality and cruelty which is why Jews reject Christ even until this very day. Nowadays Orthodox Jews burn copies of the Gospels in the streets of Israeli cities - imagine an Moslem doing that anywhere in the world today? Would it get any publicity?)   So why does the Christian Bible still include the Old Testament??? Ah yes - find the answer to that and ye shal verily discover a hidden secret my child. One of the biggest propaganda campaigns and magic tricks to have struck the West is the coupling of the Old Testament with the Gospels or teachings of CHrist. If you were to couple scriptures then the Old Testamen or Torah should be bound up together with the Koran - they are morally equivalent. The inspiration for the ethical content described in the Gospels can be traced back to the ancient Hellenic enlightenment period.

Well actually, I do know why...
Jesus (providing he DID exist, and according to the scriptures), never rejected the OT, just the opposite in fact:

"Jesus believed that the Old Testament was divinely inspired, the veritable Word of God. He said, "The Scripture cannot be broken" (John 10:35). He referred to Scripture as "the commandment of God" (Matthew 15:3) and as the "Word of God" (Matthew 15:6). He also indicated that it was indestructible: "Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished" (Matthew 5:18). Notice that he mentions even the words and letters!"

And the Jews don't 'reject' Christ.....they simply reject the idea that he was the son of god, and consider him a prophet instead....Which, incidently, the Koran does as well...

Yadda wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:08pm:

muso wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 2:23pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 2:11pm: So why does the Christian Bible still include the Old Testament??? I could answer that with the stock reply, but it's probably better coming from a Christian. Yadda? Put simply #1, because Jesus the man, was Jewish, AND, he was a Torah teacher [i.e. Jesus himself, validated OT scripture]. Put simply #2, because Jesus claimed to be the Jewish messiah.

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Jesus never claimed to be the son of god nor the Messiah - He referred to himself as the King of the Jews - which can mean many things.

Have you actually read the Gospels? Or do you just cite ramblings form the OT as part of your therapy?
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Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:45pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 3:08pm: muso wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 2:23pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 2:11pm: So why does the Christian Bible still include the Old Testament??? I could answer that with the stock reply, but it's probably better coming from a Christian. Yadda? Put simply #1, because Jesus the man, was Jewish, AND, he was a Torah teacher [i.e. Jesus himself, validated OT scripture]. Put simply #2, because Jesus claimed to be the Jewish messiah.

Jesus never claimed to be the son of god nor the Messiah - He referred to himself as the King of the Jews - which can mean many things.

Have you actually read the Gospels? Or do you just cite ramblings form the OT as part of your therapy?
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Yes I have read the Gospels....it was the Disciples that claimed he was the son of god and the messiah....And Jesus didn't refer to himself as the 'King of the Jews'.....That was Pontius Pilate, Jesus just didn't disagree....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:41pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 3:38pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 2:11pm: [quote author=Foolosophy link=1301108952/15#16 date=1301363906][quote author=muso link=1301108952/15#15 date=1301360453][quote author=Foolosophy link=1301108952/0#14 date=1301359616]Yadda, Does thee ever quote the Talmudian verses? And the Jews don't 'reject' Christ.....they simply reject the idea that he was the son of god, and consider him a prophet instead....Which, incidently, the Koran does as well...

The fundamental premise of Christianity is that Jesus was sent to earth as the son of God and died for the sins of man and was then ressurected.

This is precisely the fundamental Christian pillar that Jews reject today (although there are Jewish Chrstian in the world)

In fact Orthodox Jews burn copies of the Gospel in Israel. They fobid the reading of the New Testament and consider it inconceivabel that the Gospels and the Old Testament should be bound togther in one book.

You can cut it anyway you like, bu the fact remains that Jesus rejected Judaism at the time of his assassination.

And today the bulk of the Jewish community and Jewsih diaspora aroudn the world reject Christianity.

In the USA today you are not allowed to say Merry Christmas - you must say Happy Holiday. We havent reached that point in Australia yet, but give it time.  

muso wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:04pm:

My theologian friend would be proud of me. OK, the Old Testament provides the context - the "historical" background for the coming of Jesus Christ and the rationale behind the new contract. It illustrates how people are incapable of being good.

Exactly correct, imo.



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Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Note that this is not inconsistent with Matthew 5:17. [quote]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

or Matthew 5:18-19


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Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.

In other words, they still make it to heaven under the new contract, but they shall be called the least.

A lot of Atheists bring these verses from Matthew (and another from Luke) up ad nauseum, and religious folks never seem to be able to defend it all that well.  

Yadda - is that a fair summary?

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muso,

Correct.

Except, if we continue to live 'after the flesh', then we are still, under the schoolmaster of the law.


Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:5
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6  For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7  Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8  So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9  But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


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IMO, the law of Moses [given to Moses, by God] was intended to lead man [specifically the Hebrew nation] into righteousness.
And imo, that, is still its purpose for man, to guide man into right action, before a holy God.
BUT, and it is a big but, the law cannot justify man before God.

The Hebrew nation were intended to be an example, to all of mankind, of how God's laws would lead to merit [but not perfection] in the actions of man, before God.
But the O.T. bible reveals, essentially a condemnation of the nation of Israel and her people.


Jeremiah 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32  Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:


The accounts recorded within the O.T. bible reveals that the nation of Israel and her people comprehensively failed to adhere to their covenant, with their God.
Throughout its pages, the O.T. reveals that the nation of Israel and her people, were just as corrupt, and just as corruptible, as all other men.


Speaking of Jerusalem [a holy city, for a holy people, meant to be!]...

Isaiah 1:21
How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
22  Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:
23  Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.




Our God, has got an obsession about righteousness [in the conduct of men].

He he loves it.     ;)

And, he absolutely declares, that men [of flesh] who are wicked, and unrighteous, in this life,
HAD BETTER ENJOY THIS LIFE, WHILE IT LASTS, BECAUSE GOD WILL BRING US TO BOOK FOR OUR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.

I fear God.

But, I also know that my God is absolutely just.

So, i know that whatever judgement comes upon me [personally], i deserve.

So, i cannot complain against God, can i.    ;)

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:45pm:

Jesus never claimed to be the son of god nor the Messiah - He referred to himself as the King of the Jews - which can mean many things.

John 14:8
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9  Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?







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Have you actually read the Gospels? Or do you just cite ramblings form the OT as part of your therapy?

Therapy.     :D

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:53pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 3:41pm: Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 3:38pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 2:11pm: [quote author=Foolosophy link=1301108952/15#16 date=1301363906][quote author=muso link=1301108952/15#15 date=1301360453][quote author=Foolosophy link=1301108952/0#14 date=1301359616]Yadda, Does thee ever quote the Talmudian verses? And the Jews don't 'reject' Christ.....they simply reject the idea that he was the son of god, and consider him a prophet instead....Which, incidently, the Koran does as well... The fundamental premise of Christianity is that Jesus was sent to earth as the son of God and died for the sins of man and was then ressurected. This is precisely the fundamental Christian pillar that Jews reject today (although there are Jewish Chrstian in the world)

Yes of course that's the main difference between Jewish and Christian religions....

And there are NO 'jewish christians' in the world...That's the ultimate oxymoron...

You might as well talk about 'male females'...or 'right handed left handers'...

You can be EITHER Jewish OR Christian, not both....there may be Christians who's parents were Jewish, or Jewish people who's parents were Christian, but once someone picks a religion, then they cease to be a member of the previous religion...

You might as well talk about Muslim Christians, or Jewish Muslims....

It's truly amazing...EVER time you post, you reinforce how appropriate your screen name is....

Yadda wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:07pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 3:45pm: Have you actually read the Gospels? Or do you just cite ramblings form the OT as part of your therapy? Therapy.     :D

A classic  ;D

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:10pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 3:53pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 3:41pm: Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 3:38pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 2:11pm: [quote author=Foolosophy link=1301108952/15#16 date=1301363906][quote author=muso link=1301108952/15#15 date=1301360453][quote author=Foolosophy link=1301108952/0#14 date=1301359616]Yadda, Does thee ever quote the Talmudian verses? And the Jews don't 'reject' Christ.....they simply reject the idea that he was the son of god, and consider him a prophet instead....Which, incidently, the Koran does as well... The fundamental premise of Christianity is that Jesus was sent to earth as the son of God and died for the sins of man and was then ressurected. This is precisely the fundamental Christian pillar that Jews reject today (although there are Jewish Chrstian in the world) Yes of course that's the main difference between Jewish and Christian religions.... And there are NO 'jewish christians' in the world...That's the ultimate oxymoron... You might as well talk about 'male females'...or 'right handed left handers'... You can be EITHER Jewish OR Christian, not both....there may be Christians who's parents were Jewish, or Jewish people who's parents were Christian, but once someone picks a religion, then they cease to be a member of the previous religion... You might as well talk about Muslim Christians, or Jewish Muslims....

I suggest that you look up the web site Jews For Christ

Interesting how you find the term "Jewish Christians" an oxymoron and yet Jesus CHRIST was a Jew - LOL

Based on your deluded ratioanle perhaps its an Oxymoron to be Jewish and NOT a Christian?

So are you saying that Jesus was a Jew or NOT?

There were always the Nazrani or Nazareans (Ethnic Jews who were Christians) in the early days, and there are neo-nazareans nowadays.

There are also Catholic Jews, strangely enough.  I recall that J D Salinger was one.

muso wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:37pm:

There were always the Nazrani or Nazareans (Ethnic Jews who were Christians) in the early days, and there are neo-nazareans nowadays. There are also Catholic Jews, strangely enough.  I recall that J D Salinger was one.

Both the Iranian and Libyan Leaders are Jewish.

So is Sarkozy and the Greek prime minister

What does it all mean?

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 4:10pm: Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 3:53pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 3:41pm: Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 3:38pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 2:11pm: [quote author=Foolosophy link=1301108952/15#16 date=1301363906][quote author=muso link=1301108952/15#15 date=1301360453][quote author=Foolosophy link=1301108952/0#14 date=1301359616]Yadda, Does thee ever quote the Talmudian verses? And the Jews don't 'reject' Christ.....they simply reject the idea that he was the son of god, and consider him a prophet instead....Which, incidently, the Koran does as well... The fundamental premise of Christianity is that Jesus was sent to earth as the son of God and died for the sins of man and was then ressurected. This is precisely the fundamental Christian pillar that Jews reject today (although there are Jewish Chrstian in the world) Yes of course that's the main difference between Jewish and Christian religions.... And there are NO 'jewish christians' in the world...That's the ultimate oxymoron... You might as well talk about 'male females'...or 'right handed left handers'... You can be EITHER Jewish OR Christian, not both....there may be Christians who's parents were Jewish, or Jewish people who's parents were Christian, but once someone picks a religion, then they cease to be a member of the previous religion... You might as well talk about Muslim Christians, or Jewish Muslims.... I suggest that you look up the web site Jews For Christ Interesting how you find the term "Jewish Christians" an oxymoron and yet Jesus CHRIST was a Jew - LOL Based on your deluded ratioanle perhaps its an Oxymoron to be Jewish and NOT a Christian? So are you saying that Jesus was a Jew or NOT?

Ok, I'll make this easy for you....

YES Jesus was born Jewish.....HOWEVER, people who accept Jesus as the 'Son of God' are Christians......and people who accept Jesus as a Prophet of God are Jewish...

People who call themselves 'Jews For Jesus' are in fact Christians...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:12pm:

It's truly amazing...EVER time you post, you reinforce how appropriate your screen name is....

My expertise resides in the wisdom of foolishness and the exposure of fools.

That is why I have taken you under my wing gizmo_2655

Gadget of Nimrod - the souless delusionary gizmo that drifts within the abyss of fooldom and knows not whence he cometh.

You are a very spacial case - one of only 3 in here. You possess a sub-zero IQ level, an EQ level that is an imaginary number and you consider religion as the ultimate science

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 4:47pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 4:12pm: It's truly amazing...EVER time you post, you reinforce how appropriate your screen name is.... My expertise resides in the wisdom of foolishness and the exposure of fools.

Actually I think your 'expertise'  resides in PROVING that YOU are a FOOL, ever time you type a post...

AND the only 'fool' you expose is YOU....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 5:15pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 4:47pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 29th, 2011 at 4:12pm: It's truly amazing...EVER time you post, you reinforce how appropriate your screen name is.... My expertise resides in the wisdom of foolishness and the exposure of fools. Actually I think your 'expertise'  resides in PROVING that YOU are a FOOL, ever time you type a post... AND the only 'fool' you expose is YOU....

gizmo sounds jealous

its understandable

:)

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:38pm:

One of the biggest propaganda campaigns and magic tricks to have struck the West is the coupling of the Old Testament with the Gospels or teachings of CHrist. If you were to couple scriptures then the Old Testamen or Torah should be bound up together with the Koran - they are morally equivalent. The inspiration for the ethical content described in the Gospels can be traced back to the ancient Hellenic enlightenment period.

Foolosophy,

I will not respond to any further query from you, nor to any further statement of some outlandish 'fact' which you make, in any post in OzPol.
Except to respond with this message, and with a link to this message - so as to explain to others, my response to your inane, irrational worldview.
Clearly, people can believe whatever they want to believe.
But i do not wish to respond to your many outlandish assertions, unsupported in truth, which effectively state that 'black' is 'white', and vice versa.
I do not want to engage with your idiocy, or with your demented worldview, which is devoid of respect for truth.


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Foolosophy,

Again, you should attach a declaration with each of your posts;

"Hi, my nick is Foolosophy. And i clearly do not know what i am talking about. So just ignore this post."
"Does God treat different people differently"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1300677736/47#47


Yadda said...

Quote:

"My opinion, is that, the [false] opinions we hold, and the [false] opinions we broadcast, reveal much about ourselves, and about the 'worth' of our own 'worldview'."

"Arab world in revolt, how will the West fare"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1296163674/57#57





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Foolosophy wrote on Mar 29^th, 2011 at 3:38pm:

"the Old Testament...[and the] Koran...are morally equivalent."

Foolosophy,

To make such an assertion, imo, you are an extremely wicked and malicious person, OR, an extremely ignorant person.

To make such a wild and unsupported in truth assertion, imo, just shows what a demented and outlandish worldview you hold.

You ask if i have read the Gospels.
Have you read, and compared the OT Bible and the Koran ???


EXAMPLE #1,
OT Bible;
Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

EXAMPLE #2,
Koran;
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76







Yadda said...

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"THERE CANNOT BE A CLEARER EXPOSITION OF HOW APART ISLAM, AND JUDAISM [and also Christianity] IS, THAN BY EXAMINING THEIR RESPECTIVE RELIGIOUS TEXTS. EXAMINE THE LAW OF ISLAM, ON THE TREATMENT OF 'UNBELIEVERS', AND HOW ALLAH COMMANDED MOSLEMS, TO TREAT 'UNBELIEVERS'. AND THEN; EXAMINE HOW THE GOD OF THE HEBREWS [JUDAISM] COMMANDED HIS PEOPLE, TO TREAT THOSE 'UNBELIEVERS' WHO WERE LIVING AMONG HEBREWS."

"an eye-opening analysis of terrorism in Europe"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1294223444/46#46





Yadda said...

Quote:

"I am a student of the Bible. And IMO, the OT Bible does teach man ethical behaviour."

"Ranking Ethics"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1292918320/43#43

YES Jesus was born Jewish.....HOWEVER, people who accept Jesus as the 'Son of God' are Christians

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id yadda,

we are all sons and daughters of god,

we are all brothers and sisters

your lies are an affront unto the CHRIST within us all.

your lies will be dematerialized along with your presence here

upon this dear mother earth.

you have had your time beloved one.

you will soon leave here for the meek are just about to

inherit this earth

and so it is

with forgiveness unto you and your ilk

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 30^th, 2011 at 7:34am:

YES Jesus was born Jewish.....HOWEVER, people who accept Jesus as the 'Son of God' are Christians _____________ id yadda, we are all sons and daughters of god, we are all brothers and sisters your lies are an affront unto the CHRIST within us all. your lies will be dematerialized along with your presence here upon this dear mother earth. you have had your time beloved one. you will soon leave here for the meek are just about to inherit this earth and so it is with forgiveness unto you and your ilk namaste

you must forgive Yadda in the truest of Christian manners.

his rotting carcass houses a faint residual soul that requires salvation and nurturing as it is about to tip over the cliff's edge into the Abyss of Beelzebub.

it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 30^th, 2011 at 7:34am:

YES Jesus was born Jewish.....HOWEVER, people who accept Jesus as the 'Son of God' are Christians _____________ id yadda, we are all sons and daughters of god, we are all brothers and sisters your lies are an affront unto the CHRIST within us all. your lies will be dematerialized along with your presence here upon this dear mother earth. you have had your time beloved one. you will soon leave here for the meek are just about to inherit this earth and so it is with forgiveness unto you and your ilk namaste

Master, if I may say, there is a tone in your posts which is becoming more urgent. Do you think - is it possible - that this is really it?

the 2012 event

if you await for this you will miss it.

all negativity will not be here.

it will already be gone long before 21-12-2012

only CHRISTED ones will receive this enlightening event.

demonics and those of malevolant intent

those that would prey upon my beloved children/brother sister beings

will find themselves being preyed upon elsewhere.

this is harmonic fact

namaste

Karnal wrote on Mar 30^th, 2011 at 10:13am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 30th, 2011 at 7:34am: YES Jesus was born Jewish.....HOWEVER, people who accept Jesus as the 'Son of God' are Christians _____________ id yadda, we are all sons and daughters of god, we are all brothers and sisters your lies are an affront unto the CHRIST within us all. your lies will be dematerialized along with your presence here upon this dear mother earth. you have had your time beloved one. you will soon leave here for the meek are just about to inherit this earth and so it is with forgiveness unto you and your ilk namaste Master, if I may say, there is a tone in your posts which is becoming more urgent. Do you think - is it possible - that this is really it?

You have a master??

it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 30^th, 2011 at 10:28am:

the 2012 event if you await for this you will miss it. all negativity will not be here. it will already be gone long before 21-12-2012 only CHRISTED ones will receive this enlightening event. demonics and those of malevolant intent those that would prey upon my beloved children/brother sister beings will find themselves being preyed upon elsewhere. this is harmonic fact namaste

Thank you, Light. I was Christed when I was a baby, so I should be alright. However, there are many who don't do this: Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc.

Should they be Christed before December next year? Perhaps we should set up free baptismal fonts in the shopping malls to help these dear ones.

Karnal wrote on Mar 30^th, 2011 at 1:08pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 30th, 2011 at 10:28am: the 2012 event if you await for this you will miss it. all negativity will not be here. it will already be gone long before 21-12-2012 only CHRISTED ones will receive this enlightening event. demonics and those of malevolant intent those that would prey upon my beloved children/brother sister beings will find themselves being preyed upon elsewhere. this is harmonic fact namaste Thank you, Light. I was Christed when I was a baby, so I should be alright. However, there are many who don't do this: Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. Should they be Christed before December next year? Perhaps we should set up free baptismal fonts in the shopping malls to help these dear ones.

have you asked your master what should be done with these Heretics?

Perhaps have their scrotums boiled in the acids of Nimrods crotch and their vaginal flaps dried in the vultures den of Hades?

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 30^th, 2011 at 1:23pm:

have their scrotums boiled in the acids of Nimrods crotch and their vaginal flaps dried in the vultres den of hades

You are no woman, you disgusting, perverted drongo.

Namaste.

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 30^th, 2011 at 1:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 30th, 2011 at 1:08pm: Thank you, Light. I was Christed when I was a baby, so I should be alright. However, there are many who don't do this: Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. Should they be Christed before December next year? Perhaps we should set up free baptismal fonts in the shopping malls to help these dear ones. have you asked your master what should be done with these Heretics? have their scrotums boiled in the acids of Nimrods crotch and their vaginal flaps dried in the vultres den of hades

You first, Foolosophy.




"Are these the Biblical end times ?"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1301108952/43#43

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Foolosophy, I will not respond to any further query from you, nor to any further statement of some outlandish 'fact' which you make, in any post in OzPol. Except to respond with this message, and with a link to this message - so as to explain to others, my response to your inane, irrational worldview. Clearly, people can believe whatever they want to believe. But i do not wish to respond to your many outlandish assertions, unsupported in truth, which effectively state that 'black' is 'white', and vice versa. I do not want to engage with your idiocy, or with your demented worldview, which is devoid of respect for truth.

Yadda wrote on Mar 30^th, 2011 at 1:28pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 30th, 2011 at 1:23pm: Karnal wrote on Mar 30th, 2011 at 1:08pm: Thank you, Light. I was Christed when I was a baby, so I should be alright. However, there are many who don't do this: Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. Should they be Christed before December next year? Perhaps we should set up free baptismal fonts in the shopping malls to help these dear ones. have you asked your master what should be done with these Heretics? have their scrotums boiled in the acids of Nimrods crotch and their vaginal flaps dried in the vultres den of hades You first, Foolosophy.

Yadda

You said that you were going to IGNORE me FOREVER???

Youre credibility and WORD is totally worthless now

How can you ever be trusted with what you say now???

As well as distorting the word of our lord Jesus and ramming the immorality of the Old Testament down everyones throat in here, YOUR WORD cannot even be trusted now.

Now which is it?

Are you ignoring me or not?

I need to know whether you are a Liar or a Despotic Comedian

Soren wrote on Mar 30^th, 2011 at 1:26pm:

Namaste.

Soren said Namaste  ;D

My God, you are human.

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 30^th, 2011 at 9:28am:

you must forgive Yadda in the truest of Christian manners. his rotting carcass houses a faint residual soul that requires salvation and nurturing as it is about to tip over the cliff's edge into the Abyss of Beelzebub.

That's unfair. I might not agree with Yadda, but I respect his knowledge of his own faith. I've never seen him stoop to personal insults yet, despite extreme provocation.

You seem to be quick to condemn.

muso wrote on Mar 30^th, 2011 at 2:04pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 30th, 2011 at 1:26pm: Namaste. Soren said Namaste  ;D My God, you are human.

Yes, a surprise, given the definition of the word.

Dictionary;
namaste = = a respectful greeting said when giving a namaskar.
– ORIGIN via Hindi from Sanskrit namas ‘bowing’

muso wrote on Mar 30^th, 2011 at 2:04pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 30th, 2011 at 1:26pm: Namaste. Soren said Namaste  ;D My God, you are human.

Yes, he's a nice, polite gentleman when he applies himself.

when i say namaste

and again,

this means i honour the LIGHT within you

for this is also within me,

and observe you from a time we once knew each other

beyond this incarnation

namaste

-:)

Foolosophy wrote on Mar 30^th, 2011 at 1:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 30th, 2011 at 1:08pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 30th, 2011 at 10:28am: the 2012 event if you await for this you will miss it. all negativity will not be here. it will already be gone long before 21-12-2012 only CHRISTED ones will receive this enlightening event. demonics and those of malevolant intent those that would prey upon my beloved children/brother sister beings will find themselves being preyed upon elsewhere. this is harmonic fact namaste Thank you, Light. I was Christed when I was a baby, so I should be alright. However, there are many who don't do this: Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. Should they be Christed before December next year? Perhaps we should set up free baptismal fonts in the shopping malls to help these dear ones. have you asked your master what should be done with these Heretics? Perhaps have their scrotums boiled in the acids of Nimrods crotch and their vaginal flaps dried in the vultures den of Hades?

Light has already addressed this question. They will manifest that which they have invoked. You can't get more specific than this.

Many shall experience what you suggest and more. Masons, in particular, will suffer because they worship Satanic forces and sacrifice the Light's angelic children.

Muselmans will also suffer because they are members of the backward, tinted races. All is according with the Divine Plan which, as the Light has prophesised, will manifest in December, 2012.

However, we may miss it if we are not properly attuned to certain ViBrAtIoNaL frequencies.

I hope this comforts you.

Thank you, Light. I was Christed when I was a baby, so I should be alright. However, there are many who don't do this: Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc.

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i am not religious..if you please.

you do not have to be christened in the catholic sense or

muslim or jew or any other faith.

simply accept divine frequencies and ViBrAtIoNs and

forgiveness...observe all as sacred and divine and reject hate

and self loathing..its pretty simple is it not?

so i again suggest,do not misrepresent LIGHT again.

with forgiveness

namaste

Jesus was a socialist - we know that much

it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 30^th, 2011 at 4:47pm:

Thank you, Light. I was Christed when I was a baby, so I should be alright. However, there are many who don't do this: Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. ______________ i am not religious..if you please. you do not have to be christened in the catholic sense or muslim or jew or any other faith. simply accept divine frequencies and ViBrAtIoNs and forgiveness...observe all as sacred and divine and reject hate and self loathing..its pretty simple is it not? so i again suggest,do not misrepresent LIGHT again. with forgiveness namaste

Thank you for forgiving my error, Light. How can we make our dear ones accept divine frequencies and ViBrAtIoNs?

Many on this board will surely go to hell for their misguided, Satan-manipulated beliefs. How can we change their ignorant ways?

Should we hand out pamphlets or give soapbox sermons on the street? Shouldn't we be getting the message out there? After all, we have less than 21 months left before the world divides like a cell.

with forgiveness beloved one ,id karnal

i would suggest do not act or react out of a fear based response

LOVE is the frequency and in as much there is no room for fear

a suggestion unto you dear one..

however

freewill is observed

namaste

-:)

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 1^st, 2011 at 2:52pm:

with forgiveness beloved one ,id karnal i would suggest do not act or react out of a fear based response LOVE is the frequency and in as much there is no room for fear a suggestion unto you dear one.. however freewill is observed namaste -:)

Thank you, Light. If we must love these ignoramuses, we must. I must say, I'm grateful that the universe gives back what it receives. These people will certainly manifest what they have invoked. Dark forces indeed!