http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/ford-to-slash-jobs-from-its-broadmeadows-and-geelong-plants/story-fn7x8me2-1226039113907


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Ford to slash 240 jobs from its Broadmeadows and Geelong plants UPDATE 4.10pm: TOYOTA will halve production at Altona affecting 3300 workers - as Ford axes 200 jobs from its Victorian plants. As the heraldsun.com.au revealed today, Ford Australia will slash more than 200 jobs from its Victorian plants, due to a reduced demand for vehicles. Toyota today confirmed the monster Japanese earthquake, tsunamis and ongoing nuclear problems were behind the impact on its Australian manufacturing arm. Ford will slash 240 jobs from its Broadmeadows and Geelong operations. The jobs will be shed through voluntary redundancies, which will start mid-year, the Herald Sun has learned from industry sources. The job cuts are the result of falling sales of the flagship Falcon which has forced Ford to cut production at Broadmeadows to meet showroom demand. Daily output at its Melbourne factory is about to be cut from 260 to 209 vehicles a day - split between Falcon and Territory. Ford said it intends to redeploy as many as possible, with the others to be offered voluntary redundancy from the middle of July. The news was broken to workers and union officials this morning "We've been investigating this for the last few months. We've been looking at the large car segment and where it's going," Ford spokesperson Sinead McAlary said. The job cuts mean Ford is moving away from its previous strategy of using 'down days' - a system also in use at Holden and Toyota - to remove excess production from its inventory. The redundancies are the first at Ford for more than two years and will reduce the company's manufacturing workforce by 10 per cent, taking its total employment in Australia down from 3400 to 3200 people.

What have I been saying all along to numnuts badweekend and andrea pricks. Simple economics that somehow the resident economic expert andrea pricks can't seem to grasp !

People don't want BIG cars anymore because they COST MORE to RUN !!

People are buying smaller cars and eventually they to will be to expensive to run because of the rising cost of fuel. So instead of making the next generation EV's or plugin hybrids Ford would prefer to close up shop and retrench people :( Is this what tax payers get for all of the corporate welfare they have given to Ford over the years :(

You must be very happy that hundreds of people have lost their jobs.

People don't want BIG cars anymore because they COST MORE to RUN !!

- Last Nail

People don't want shitful cars either. And let's face it .. Fords are exactly that.

The petrol guzzlers will be a dime a dozen soon. The government will most likely bail Ford out, like they do, it's only taxpayers money so why not waste a couple of hundred million more.

spoken like a mob of losers rejoicing in people losing jobs. as for the big car question, australia has long been a country demanding big cars and keep in mind that australias BIGGEST seller is the commodore - a big car. the falcon problem is more of a marketing and competitive one rather he so-called demise of the 'big car' - predicted for 20 years and still not arriving.

as for me, I hope next year to replace my FPV GT with a new FPV GT 335 modified to 420 kw by Herrod.

my wife wants a small car as well. who knows, might even get a Leaf!

... wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 5:40pm:

You must be very happy that hundreds of people have lost their jobs.

you are a jerk. what did you expect ? Did you honestly think that people were going to drive around in gas guzzling cars with old technology 6 cylinder engines when petrol was heading for $2 per liter ??

Ford and Holden had the chance to modernize and chose to be complacent and ignore the warning signs. Obviously Ford and Holden are only viable here as manufactures of out dated old inefficient rubbish as long as the government keeps feeding them corporate welfare :( It's tantamount to buying jobs :(

Nail.

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What have I been saying all along to numnuts badweekend and andrea pricks. Simple economics that somehow the resident economic expert andrea pricks can't seem to grasp ! People don't want BIG cars anymore because they COST MORE to RUN !! People are buying smaller cars and eventually they to will be to expensive to run because of the rising cost of fuel. So instead of making the next generation EV's or plugin hybrids Ford would prefer to close up shop and retrench people  Is this what tax payers get for all of the corporate welfare they have given to Ford over the years

Good post Nail.
Let Longweekend stick that in his pipe & smoke it.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 7:08pm:

spoken like a mob of losers rejoicing in people losing jobs. as for the big car question, australia has long been a country demanding big cars and keep in mind that australias BIGGEST seller is the commodore - a big car. the falcon problem is more of a marketing and competitive one rather he so-called demise of the 'big car' - predicted for 20 years and still not arriving. as for me, I hope next year to replace my FPV GT with a new FPV GT 335 modified to 420 kw by Herrod. my wife wants a small car as well. who knows, might even get a Leaf!

so how come they are downsizing you idiot ?

Just another one going the same way as the Mitsubishi 380.

You've only got yourselves to blame for misreading the market.

Like I said. Money talks and bullshit walks !! Try driving your ford shitbox through Melbourne peak hour traffic. I bet you have used  half a tank left just going across the city :(

And those Holdens are a piece of poo, They use cheap arse switches and underrated relays made in china that fall to bits. And the upholstery is cheap and nasty and the door trims are tinny sounding made on the cheap. It's hard to believe they spent a billion dollars on developing it.  It's real junk quality :(

Can we Australians get any dumber?

Why havent we got an Australian owned car manufacturing company here?

We give millions of dollars of tax payers dollars to these foreugn owned corporations every year for all sorts of things and grovel - "please stay here, please employ our workers, please".

pathetic

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 9:45pm:

Can we Australians get any dumber? Why havent we got an Australian owned car manufacturing company here? We give millions of dollars of tax payers dollars to these foreign owned corporations every year for all sorts of things and grovel - "please stay here, please employ our workers, please". pathetic

Well said.
When will we ever pay scientists more than lawyers & stockbrokers?
We just have the wrong mentality here.

Why aren't we the world leaders in e.g.  Cars running on CNG  gas?

We have plenty of CNG  (compressed natural gas) for 4 cents per liter,
yet we buy petrol from overseas & it'a already over $1.50 a liter here.
Why aren't Ford & Holden given money to design a CNG car
or a battery car?

Some greenie protestor this morning hit me on the head with a placard at the BP Shareholder meeting!!!

What is it with these people and their need to behave like this??

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 10:08pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 14th, 2011 at 9:45pm: Can we Australians get any dumber? Why havent we got an Australian owned car manufacturing company here? We give millions of dollars of tax payers dollars to these foreign owned corporations every year for all sorts of things and grovel - "please stay here, please employ our workers, please". pathetic Well said. When will we ever pay scientists more than lawyers & stockbrokers? We just have the wrong mentality here. Why aren't we the world leaders in e.g.  Cars running on CNG  gas? We have plenty of CNG  (compressed natural gas) for 4 cents per liter, yet we buy petrol from overseas & it'a already over $1.50 a liter here. Why aren't Ford & Holden given money to design a CNG car or a battery car?

CNG is not ony plentiful in Australia its also 50% less carbon emitting.

You can buy CNG vehicleas here and also the refuling compressor for you home.

may cost around $4,000 to set up at home but then you an fill your tank with your domestic natural gas supply

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 10:12pm:

Some greenie protestor this morning hit me on the head with a placard at the BP Shareholder meeting!!! What is it with these people and their need to behave like this??

the question is "what is it with you and your kind when you advocate the permanent destruction of the environment for short term corproate profits?"

You probably RAN into the placard anyway - you should watch were you're going

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 10:12pm:

Some greenie protestor this morning hit me on the head with a placard at the BP Shareholder meeting!!! What is it with these people and their need to behave like this??

OK, time to come clean: what happened in the lead-up to this placard head bopping incident!?

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 10:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2011 at 10:08pm: Foolosophy wrote on Apr 14th, 2011 at 9:45pm: Can we Australians get any dumber? Why havent we got an Australian owned car manufacturing company here? We give millions of dollars of tax payers dollars to these foreign owned corporations every year for all sorts of things and grovel - "please stay here, please employ our workers, please". pathetic Well said. When will we ever pay scientists more than lawyers & stockbrokers? We just have the wrong mentality here. Why aren't we the world leaders in e.g.  Cars running on CNG  gas? We have plenty of CNG  (compressed natural gas) for 4 cents per liter, yet we buy petrol from overseas & it'a already over $1.50 a liter here. Why aren't Ford & Holden given money to design a CNG car or a battery car? CNG is not ony plentiful in Australia its also 50% less carbon emitting. You can buy CNG vehicleas here and also the refuling compressor for you home. may cost around $4,000 to set up at home but then you an fill your tank with your domestic natural gas supply

That would be a great idea.
I wonder if it's legal &
also if it's perhaps dangerous to compress natural gas
in a suburban environment?

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 9:45pm:

Can we Australians get any dumber? Why havent we got an Australian owned car manufacturing company here? We give millions of dollars of tax payers dollars to these foreugn owned corporations every year for all sorts of things and grovel - "please stay here, please employ our workers, please". pathetic

It's extortion. We give them money and they sell us a few jobs whilst any profits disappear overseas. Then to add insult to injury they refused to make what we want and that is a car that doesn't chain us to the rising cost of fossil fools :(

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 10:12pm:

Some greenie protestor this morning hit me on the head with a placard at the BP Shareholder meeting!!! What is it with these people and their need to behave like this??

that's nothing compared to the way you lot have f.cked up the planet. I just heard that the Mexican gulf is still not fixed up like you said it was. Maybe that's why he hit you on the head.

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 11:35pm:

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 14th, 2011 at 9:45pm: Can we Australians get any dumber? Why havent we got an Australian owned car manufacturing company here? We give millions of dollars of tax payers dollars to these foreugn owned corporations every year for all sorts of things and grovel - "please stay here, please employ our workers, please". pathetic It's extortion. We give them money and they sell us a few jobs whilst any profits disappear overseas. Then to add insult to injury they refused to make what we want and that is a car that doesn't chain us to the rising cost of fossil fools :(

lol

It gets worse - much worse

During the recent Global Financial Crisis GMH was in so much trouble that globally that it required a Nationalisation of the corporation in the USA - ie Obama bought a 60% share in the compant just to keep it from going into receivership. They refloated GMH with the US tax payer controlling 30%, half the original stake (thats another story in itself)

Well during this financial crisis the only international arm of GMH that was still making a profit was its operations in Australia. And if you took out the tax breaks, susidies and freebies that the Australian goevrnmetn was handing out to GMH Australia, then it too would not have been making a profit during that crisis period.

A sillier nation than Australia cannot possibly exist anywhere on the planet.

We will sell any of our national tresures and assets to anyone for a dollar and dont realise that it costs us two dollars plus our soul, plus our long term prosperity

Even our beloved mining industry isnt ours - its about 2/3 foreign owned (mainly  US controlled)

Our electricity producers are foregin owned - about 60% of the profits from power generation goes off shore.

In fact the Carbon tax on polluters will actually keep a percentage of that profit in Asutralia - ironically

its pathetic to be part of it

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In fact the Carbon tax on polluters will actually keep a percentage of that profit in Australia.

I never thought of it that way but it's true.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 12:20am:

Quote: In fact the Carbon tax on polluters will actually keep a percentage of that profit in Australia. I never thought of it that way but it's true.

have a look what has happened in the Australian resource sector ovber the past decade or so, Their pre tax profits have skyrocketed and yet the Australian government's take has not followed the trend.

And about 2/3 of these pre tax proftis go off shore

are we insane?

http://www.mining-tax.com.au/images/chart1.png

And the electricity generation sector produces multi billion dollar net profits - about 60% of which goes off shore.

Industry Research Report Excerpt
The Electricity Generation industry is expected to generate revenue of $17.24 billion in 2010-11, an average annual growth of 7.1% from $12.23 billion in 2005-06. This positive performance is due to the combination of higher output and substantially higher prices (due mainly to higher fuel input costs). Industry revenue is expected to expand by about 10% in 2010-11, with electricity generation accounting for about 0.5% of Australia's GDP. The industry's net profit is expected to be about $3.5 billion. Since Australia does not export or import electricity, the size of the local market matches output.

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 12:15am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 14th, 2011 at 11:35pm: Foolosophy wrote on Apr 14th, 2011 at 9:45pm: Can we Australians get any dumber? Why havent we got an Australian owned car manufacturing company here? We give millions of dollars of tax payers dollars to these foreugn owned corporations every year for all sorts of things and grovel - "please stay here, please employ our workers, please". pathetic It's extortion. We give them money and they sell us a few jobs whilst any profits disappear overseas. Then to add insult to injury they refused to make what we want and that is a car that doesn't chain us to the rising cost of fossil fools :( lol It gets worse - much worse During the recent Global Financial Crisis GMH was in so much trouble that globally that it required a Nationalisation of the corporation in the USA - ie Obama bought a 60% share in the compant just to keep it from going into receivership. They refloated GMH with the US tax payer controlling 30%, half the original stake (thats another story in itself) Well during this financial crisis the only international arm of GMH that was still making a profit was its operations in Australia. And if you took out the tax breaks, susidies and freebies that the Australian goevrnmetn was handing out to GMH Australia, then it too would not have been making a profit during that crisis period. A sillier nation than Australia cannot possibly exist anywhere on the planet.

Actually when Obama handed out some money to GMC it more or less had a gun pointed at GMC so GM had to come up with the goodies which it has in the form of a plugin hybrid electric car called the GM Volt.

But when this dopey labor Government handed out 200 mill to GMH as part of the green car innovation fund, GMH hoodwinked the Government and told some BS about a car that runs on ethanol. Turns out that that car is just the Holden Cruze made in Korea and fully imported into Australia. And the fuel options are either petrol or deisel so where is the green car ?? No hybrid or plugin hybrid or electric car !! It's the 200 million dollar green car swindle. Seems that Holden has had the last laugh and our taxes are paying for its advertising campaign on TV :( What a joke :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15^th, 2011 at 1:33am:

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 15th, 2011 at 12:15am: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 14th, 2011 at 11:35pm: Foolosophy wrote on Apr 14th, 2011 at 9:45pm: Can we Australians get any dumber? Why havent we got an Australian owned car manufacturing company here? We give millions of dollars of tax payers dollars to these foreugn owned corporations every year for all sorts of things and grovel - "please stay here, please employ our workers, please". pathetic It's extortion. We give them money and they sell us a few jobs whilst any profits disappear overseas. Then to add insult to injury they refused to make what we want and that is a car that doesn't chain us to the rising cost of fossil fools :( lol It gets worse - much worse During the recent Global Financial Crisis GMH was in so much trouble that globally that it required a Nationalisation of the corporation in the USA - ie Obama bought a 60% share in the compant just to keep it from going into receivership. They refloated GMH with the US tax payer controlling 30%, half the original stake (thats another story in itself) Well during this financial crisis the only international arm of GMH that was still making a profit was its operations in Australia. And if you took out the tax breaks, susidies and freebies that the Australian goevrnmetn was handing out to GMH Australia, then it too would not have been making a profit during that crisis period. A sillier nation than Australia cannot possibly exist anywhere on the planet. Actually when Obama handed out some money to GMC it more or less had a gun pointed at GMC so GM had to come up with the goodies which it has in the form of a plugin hybrid electric car called the GM Volt. But when this dopey labor Government handed out 200 mill to GMH as part of the green car innovation fund, GMH hoodwinked the Government and told some BS about a car that runs on ethanol. Turns out that that car is just the Holden Cruze made in Korea and fully imported into Australia. And the fuel options are either petrol or deisel so where is the green car ?? No hybrid or plugin hybrid or electric car !! It's the 200 million dollar green car swindle. Seems that Holden has had the last laugh and our taxes are paying for its advertising campaign on TV :( What a joke :(

of course its a joke - and the Australian government wasnt fooled - it knew what was going on but needed a justifiable pretense so that it can hand over the 200 million dollars.

Its just to keep the industry viable and also to make it appear that it isnt a subsidy or market manipulation.

If they were serious about a new greener engine they would have maybe given them 10 million for a proposal and prototype to be developed - followed by staged payments for each commercialisation stage.

you dont just hand over that sort of funding without mile stones being met incrementally. Standard practice - In fact even home builders do that to save their bacon in case the project is delayed or your not happy with the work.

One big Corporate welfare Scam

Equitist wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 10:40pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 14th, 2011 at 10:12pm: Some greenie protestor this morning hit me on the head with a placard at the BP Shareholder meeting!!! What is it with these people and their need to behave like this?? OK, time to come clean: what happened in the lead-up to this placard head bopping incident!?

I tried to walk through into the hall, some unclean looking, environmentalist sort is in my way and tells me I should be "ashamed", I tell her I am more ashamed that my taxes pay for her kind and that she should get out and get a job, she then hits me on the head with a "BP $$$$$" placard.

The old fella behind me coming in told me I should report it to the row of cops stood nearby but given I am 33 and she was about 60 and I am also about 6 inches taller than her as well, it would have been more embarrassing for me.

All in all, those urchins had no business even being there.
Same old rent-a-mob that turned up for the "No cuts demo" and the Poll Tax riots etc.

Just ignore them, they have no idea what BP really is about.

<<Just ignore them, they have no idea what BP really is about.>>
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You never know, they could know a little bit about BP and the filth it leaves in the environment, most people do.......even the most uneducated of people have seen pictures of the dead birds and fish and the people who's livelihoods that have been destroyed by a company that has no principles.

BP is about cutting costs at all costs, and having total disregard for both humanity and the environment. BP sucks the life out of the earth.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 19^th, 2011 at 7:08pm:

Equitist wrote on Apr 14th, 2011 at 10:40pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 14th, 2011 at 10:12pm: Some greenie protestor this morning hit me on the head with a placard at the BP Shareholder meeting!!! What is it with these people and their need to behave like this?? OK, time to come clean: what happened in the lead-up to this placard head bopping incident!? I tried to walk through into the hall, some unclean looking, environmentalist sort is in my way and tells me I should be "ashamed", I tell her I am more ashamed that my taxes pay for her kind and that she should get out and get a job, she then hits me on the head with a "BP $$$$$" placard. The old fella behind me coming in told me I should report it to the row of cops stood nearby but given I am 33 and she was about 60 and I am also about 6 inches taller than her as well, it would have been more embarrassing for me. All in all, those urchins had no business even being there. Same old rent-a-mob that turned up for the "No cuts demo" and the Poll Tax riots etc. Just ignore them, they have no idea what BP really is about.

what is so unclean about the Mexican Gulf you deadbeat ?

BP = British Pollution

Here, why don't you scoop a bit of it up and serve it on a plate to your family :(

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DS3Axl118Ng/TBjvvZ9yHaI/AAAAAAAAHdA/VsBHEMTV0z4/s1600/alg_oil-spill.jpg

http://www.ngoilgas.com/media/media-news/news-thumb/100506/oil_spill_bird.jpg

As I've said before, it should have been MANDATORY, at
LEAST 15 years ago, for ALL CARS sold in Aus to be capable
of being run on CNG.

AND the price of CNG for powering vehicles should have been
pegged at the SAME PRICE we're 'giving' it to China for.

Then, we'd have no reliance on foreign oil, and would be
regarded as a world leader in oil-conservation and in reducing
vehicle-generated pollution. AND the costs of running a vehicle
would have dropped by over 50% (EST.).

But, noooooo.

Either someone threw it into the 'too hard' basket, or there
are vested interests which stand to lose, and have the govt
over a (oil) barrel.

Bloody deplorable. Aus misses the bus yet again.

I agree 100% Kat. We`re not the lucky country any more, and we certainly aren`t the smart country.  Government is now addicted to fuel taxes, for their program of waste and incompetance.

Kat wrote on Apr 20^th, 2011 at 6:25am:

As I've said before, it should have been MANDATORY, at LEAST 15 years ago, for ALL CARS sold in Aus to be capable of being run on CNG. AND the price of CNG for powering vehicles should have been pegged at the SAME PRICE we're 'giving' it to China for. Then, we'd have no reliance on foreign oil, and would be regarded as a world leader in oil-conservation and in reducing vehicle-generated pollution. AND the costs of running a vehicle would have dropped by over 50% (EST.). But, noooooo. Either someone threw it into the 'too hard' basket, or there are vested interests which stand to lose, and have the govt over a (oil) barrel. Bloody deplorable. Aus misses the bus yet again.

they will never do that. Just look what happened to LPG. It slowly crept up and up an up....

Fossil Fools = tax for the government :(

have a look what has happened in the Australian resource sector ovber the past decade or so, Their pre tax profits have skyrocketed and yet the Australian government's take has not followed the trend.

And about 2/3 of these pre tax proftis go off shore
are we insane?

foolosophy, where did you get that graph about resource profits and taxes.
It is amazing that the resource companies are still trying to avoid every dollar in taxes to the Australian government.
The talk about that the Australians are not prepared to pay for petrol guzzlers is not entirely correct.
On last Sundays "Inside business" Alan Kohler mentioned that the sales of big cars like Commodores and Falcons have come down, but the sale of SUV cars, which are the biggest petrol guzzlers has actually gone up, and Australia does not produce SUV cars, so the money to buy them goes out the country, a double blow for Australia.

But we can write about and discuss this topics until we are blue in our faces; apparently our politicians are not aware of the graph about resources profits and taxes, maybe we would do better to send them the graphs.
It makes me wonder why they are so well paid.

hawil wrote on Apr 20^th, 2011 at 5:58pm:

have a look what has happened in the Australian resource sector ovber the past decade or so, Their pre tax profits have skyrocketed and yet the Australian government's take has not followed the trend. And about 2/3 of these pre tax proftis go off shore are we insane? foolosophy, where did you get that graph about resource profits and taxes. It is amazing that the resource companies are still trying to avoid every dollar in taxes to the Australian government. The talk about that the Australians are not prepared to pay for petrol guzzlers is not entirely correct. On last Sundays "Inside business" Alan Kohler mentioned that the sales of big cars like Commodores and Falcons have come down, but the sale of SUV cars, which are the biggest petrol guzzlers has actually gone up, and Australia does not produce SUV cars, so the money to buy them goes out the country, a double blow for Australia. But we can write about and discuss this topics until we are blue in our faces; apparently our politicians are not aware of the graph about resources profits and taxes, maybe we would do better to send them the graphs. It makes me wonder why they are so well paid.

That graph is from a treasury estimate report - The Australian government is well aware of how much revenue they obtain from the mining and resource sector and how much their profits have risen over the past decade or so

Its not a trade secret

What's important to know is that the Australian resource sector is almost 70% foreign owned.

RIO TINTO (72% foreign owned)
BHP Billiton (40% foreign owned)

The resource sector employs about 3% of the total workforce in Australia.

I would place a small flat rate tax on every tonne of mineral or resource extracted from the ground. Even if its 5% or less of the total cost of the mineral you would see a lot more money going into national treasury. It would be like a GST - self correcting for inflation and essentially independent of profit margins OR whether the corporation is Australian or foreign

We are so dumb - when the resources dwindle - and they will - we will be left with a baron wasteland full of evironmental disaster holes to clean up

What will we do then? Re-construct and Re-energise our lost manufacturing industries so that they can compete with German excellence and Chinese economies of scale???

I dont think so.

Foolosophy wrote on Apr 20^th, 2011 at 6:09pm:

We are so dumb - when the resources dwindle - and they will - we will be left with a baron wasteland full of evironmental disaster holes to clean up What will we do then? Re-construct and Re-energise our lost manufacturing industries so that they can compete with German excellence and Chinese economies of scale??? I dont think so.

they will keep creating property bubbles because that's all they will have left :(

Holden fans think they have superior cars because they've been winning most races in the last few years by many.
What they don't realise is that Ford has slashed its racing budget by almost 90% and putting the money towards more constructive efforts like Electrical.

...lets face it, the Real Race is who is first to develop a vehicle that is non-reliant upon Pollutant qualities that cost a fortune to consumers beyond the cost of the vehicle itself.

...lets face it, the Oil/Petrol Industry is set to INFLATE its prices (along with every other Industry to be quite honest before another economic downturn saves the day) 900% this decade and wring every last drop ...er, I mean dollar out of people's pockets.

Q: What is gonna happen to Airlines, and large Commercial vehicles that rely upon petrol, diesel, etc? :-?

Don't Ford already build & sell cars that will run on CNG?

Sure I saw that somewhere.

Ford also makes electric cars but not here :(

http://images-2.drive.com.au/2011/01/10/2126049/ford_focus_420.jpg?rand=1294621522025

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/ford-unveils-new-focus-electric-car-20110110-19kgl.html


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Ford unveils new Focus electric car Ford has unveiled its new Focus Electric hatchback – the first of five all-new plug-in electric vehicles to be released by the US manufacturer by 2013. The Focus Electric will be the brand’s first zero exhaust emissions vehicle, and is expected to offer buyers a range of about 150 kilometres, while its batteries can be recharged from an in-home plug-in station in a (relatively) short three to four hours – half the time of one of its main competitors, Nissan’s Leaf electric vehicle. Ford used the electric Focus’s reveal at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas to promote its electric vehicle plans, saying the Focus Electric is the first of five plug-in cars to be released by the manufacturer by 2013, with releases expected in the US and Europe. Ford’s group vice president for global product development Derrick Kuzak says the Focus EV is just the start when it comes to the Blue Oval’s EV aspirations. “Focus Electric is the flagship of our new family of electrified vehicles, showcasing our commitment to offer consumers choice when it comes to fuel-efficient or fuel-free vehicles,” says Kuzak. “Its advanced powertrain will deliver significant energy efficiency advantages and zero CO2 emissions without compromising driving enjoyment. And its suite of smart driver information technologies will transform the way customers think about energy usage and their transportation needs.” The Focus Electric’s appearance changes somewhat from the next-generation Focus (pictured above), with an Aston Marton-esque front grille featuring an illuminated plug-in point, which lights up in sections as the car is charging from the powerpoint Inside, the Focus Electric offers plenty of new technology, including the next generation of the brand’s MyFord Touch info-tainment system, which provides detailed information about the car’s state of charge, nearest charge point, distance to empty, and satellite navigation. Offering some serious tech-geek appeal, Ford has also developed a very clever smartphone app that allows owners to “maintain constant contact with the car anywhere they have mobile phone access”. The MyFord Mobile app has a live feed of vehicle status info, displays the car’s state of charge, offers alerts if the car needs to be charged or has finished charging, and even allows remote programming of charging settings. For those worried about the rising costs of electricity, Ford will offer another clever feature called “Value Charging”, which it says will help owners charge their vehicles at the cheapest rates, in turn lowering the cost of ownership. “Value charging allows our customers to reduce their electricity costs by taking advantage of off-peak or other reduced rates from their utility without a complicated set-up process,” said Ed Pleet, manager of Ford Connected Services Organisation. “This is a ‘set it and forget it’ approach for the customer to reduce energy cost.” The covers came off the Focus Electric just days before the United States’ premier automotive event, the Detroit motor show, with the obvious aim of gaining more attention (not to mention avoiding the unveiling being missed amid a predicted flood of new models at the Detroit show). Production of the Focus Electric is likely to be limited, and there’s no word as to when the car will go on sale in the US and Europe. There are currently no concrete plans for an Australian debut for the Focus Electric, but spokesperson Neil McDonald says local sales are possible. "As these electrified vehicles are based on global platforms, we have the opportunity to sell them globally,” he says.

Oh .. so Ford has finally woken up?

Tell you what .. that electric car looks hot!

Does it come in metallic black with tinted windows? I hope those are steel alloy wheels coz that would really make that car look even more awesome.

How much will this car cost?

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 12:12pm:

Oh .. so Ford has finally woken up? Tell you what .. that electric car looks hot! Does it come in metallic black with tinted windows? I hope those are steel alloy wheels coz that would really make that car look even more awesome. How much will this car cost?

http://images.theage.com.au/2011/01/10/2125689/FocusElectric_06_600-600x400.jpg

http://images.theage.com.au/2011/01/10/2125690/FocusElectric_08_600-600x400.jpg

http://images.theage.com.au/2011/01/10/2125691/FocusElectric_09_600-600x400.jpg

http://images.theage.com.au/2011/01/10/2125692/FocusElectric_10_600-600x400.jpg

after everyone converts to electrical in the face of adversity from Oil and its pollution,
someone will invent and produce an even better propulsion system and electrical will be out-dated.
...no need for OH&S to enforce the sale either.

Hmm .. that car looks sexy. It would look even better in metallic black/tinted windows/steel alloy wheels.

Wonder what the price tag will be?

And when will it be released here in Oz?

alas the maintenance costs will be x10 than that of repairing BMW's ...so no gain again on savings

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 12:22pm:

after everyone converts to electrical in the face of adversity from Oil and its pollution, someone will invent and produce an even better propulsion system and electrical will be out-dated. ...no need for OH&S to enforce the sale either.

no it won't. electric motors will be around for a long time. they might invent batter batteries which are lighter or have higher capacity, range etc

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 12:27pm:

alas the maintenance costs will be x10 than that of repairing BMW's ...so no gain again on savings

what maintenance costs ??

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 12:27pm:

alas the maintenance costs will be x10 than that of repairing BMW's ...so no gain again on savings

Don't get me started on the ongoing maintenance costs of BMW's.

(I've got a 1.5 yr old gorgeous black BMW. It's wonderful to drive but I have to admit it is expensive to maintain/run).

So Last Nail .. tell us more about how much this car is gonna cost?

When is it gonna hit the Oz market?

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 12:35pm:

So Last Nail .. tell us more about how much this car is gonna cost? When is it gonna hit the Oz market?

it will be released in the US first and probably will be competitively priced with Government concessions etc. As for here in Aus we are 10 years behind everyone else and the Government doesn't want cars that do them out of revenue at the fool bowser.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 12:33pm:

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Apr 21st, 2011 at 12:27pm: alas the maintenance costs will be x10 than that of repairing BMW's ...so no gain again on savings Don't get me started on the ongoing maintenance costs of BMW's. (I've got a 1.5 yr old gorgeous black BMW. It's wonderful to drive but I have to admit it is expensive to maintain/run).

I know someone who had a BMW years ago and the dealer used to milk them big time on service. People don't release that a huge proportion of revenue for a car manufacturer comes from service and parts :( Bring in electric cars and that sort of kills off that revenue stream ;)

Auto-Electricians 'can be' twice to thrice as much as a conventional Mechanic.
Then you'll have to face the fact that not many Auto-Electricians will be up to scratch with these Electrical Cars for at least 10 years, so it will be like the Plasma TV scenario - where you had to do a costly return to Nippon or something ...or just buy a new one, which is what they want as well.
Hence why Plasmas are all watching the pavements these days.

the car doesnt become available un the US until 2013 and probably not here until a year later.

call me when there are actual EVs around to buy and drive. until then we might as well be discussing personal jet packs.

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 12:47pm:

Auto-Electricians 'can be' twice to thrice as much as a conventional Mechanic. Then you'll have to face the fact that not many Auto-Electricians will be up to scratch with these Electrical Cars for at least 10 years, so it will be like the Plasma TV scenario - where you had to do a costly return to Nippon or something ...or just buy a new one, which is what they want as well. Hence why Plasmas are all watching the pavements these days.

yes but what is likely to go wrong with them ? There is a just a motor, set of batteries and a motor controller with sophisticated diagnostic software on board. No need to pay an unqualified auto electrician for anything. There is just no maintenance on these types of cars ;)

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 1:17pm:

the car doesnt become available un the US until 2013 and probably not here until a year later. call me when there are actual EVs around to buy and drive. until then we might as well be discussing personal jet packs.

yeh you are really hoping for that aren't you. The Nissan Leaf is already selling in the US so you can't do anything about it.

Just stick to Holden's Green Cruze car fully imported from Korea and $1.60 per liter of clean green fossil fool. That's your sort of Green car isn't it. All 200 million dollars worth of it :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 1:25pm:

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Apr 21st, 2011 at 12:47pm: Auto-Electricians 'can be' twice to thrice as much as a conventional Mechanic. Then you'll have to face the fact that not many Auto-Electricians will be up to scratch with these Electrical Cars for at least 10 years, so it will be like the Plasma TV scenario - where you had to do a costly return to Nippon or something ...or just buy a new one, which is what they want as well. Hence why Plasmas are all watching the pavements these days. yes but what is likely to go wrong with them ? There is a just a motor, set of batteries and a motor controller with sophisticated diagnostic software on board. No need to pay an unqualified auto electrician for anything. There is just no maintenance on these types of cars ;)

thus speaks someone who has obviously never owned a car. steering, brakes, transmissions (yes EVs still have them), air con, safety features, chassis, and yes BATTERIES AND MOTORS. no one is sayng EVs wont have less mainteance than ICEs but to say they ahve no maintenance is just foolish.

I've saved a motza over the years because I am
a competent mechanic, so do all my own
repairs/servicing.

Apart from the electric motor & batteries, I can't
see why I couldn't continue to do the same.

Servicing/running costs wold be minimal.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 1:37pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 21st, 2011 at 1:25pm: It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Apr 21st, 2011 at 12:47pm: Auto-Electricians 'can be' twice to thrice as much as a conventional Mechanic. Then you'll have to face the fact that not many Auto-Electricians will be up to scratch with these Electrical Cars for at least 10 years, so it will be like the Plasma TV scenario - where you had to do a costly return to Nippon or something ...or just buy a new one, which is what they want as well. Hence why Plasmas are all watching the pavements these days. yes but what is likely to go wrong with them ? There is a just a motor, set of batteries and a motor controller with sophisticated diagnostic software on board. No need to pay an unqualified auto electrician for anything. There is just no maintenance on these types of cars ;) thus speaks someone who has obviously never owned a car. steering, brakes, transmissions (yes EVs still have them), air con, safety features, chassis, and yes BATTERIES AND MOTORS. no one is sayng EVs wont have less mainteance than ICEs but to say they ahve no maintenance is just foolish.

haven't you heard of electric power steering (already being used on some vehicles) and regenerative braking which drastically reduces brake wear ?

and the other following benefits which cost ICE owners $$$$$

just face it badweekend, the days of ripping people off on oil changes is a thing of the past with EV's ;)

- No ripoff petrol
- No getting ripped off on service and maintenance
- No oil changes
- No oil filter
- No filthy carcinogenic sump oil to dispose of
- No transmission to pack up and maintain
- No spark plugs to change
- No timing belt to change
- No fuel filter to change
- No radiator and hoses to change
- No fuel injectors to pack up
- No problems with contaminated fuel
- No exhaust pipe to change
- No toxic tail pipe emissions
- No green house gas emissions
- No catalytic converter
- Create your own energy at home using your own rooftop PV array
- Silent operation
- No wars fort over oil
- No environmentally damaging oil spills
- regenerative braking recovers lost energy when braking
- reduction in brake maintenance due to regenerative braking

Kat wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 1:58pm:

I've saved a motza over the years because I am a competent mechanic, so do all my own repairs/servicing. Apart from the electric motor & batteries, I can't see why I couldn't continue to do the same. Servicing/running costs wold be minimal.

Absolutely minimal !! Just suspension and tyres and fill up the wiper bottle ;)

I think Nail you will be suprised the number of families going to bigger cars like the Captiva, Territory, Kia Carnivals etc due to the requirements of car seats for kids up to now age 7 (from memory).

The Falcon and commodores are no longer any good for the 2.3 kid family as you struggle to fit three car seats in them.

But you already knew that was a major factor in the depleation of the key target market didnt you.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 14^th, 2011 at 10:12pm:

Some greenie protestor this morning hit me on the head with a placard at the BP Shareholder meeting!!! What is it with these people and their need to behave like this??

It was more likely to be a fisherman who has had his business and life destroyed by BP pumping oil into the Gulf than a feral Greenie  :)

The poor quality of Aussie built cars is common knowledge these days so it is no wonder people are flocking to buy Japanese and Western European built cars.
Holdens answer to the small car market is to import a 3rd rate piece of junk from Korea in pieces and build it here..what a joke.
As for Ford, you may as well tear up your money and flush it down the dunny.
The only problem with buying Japanese cars at the moment is the long wait because of the disasters that have befallen the country but I would rather wait 3 mths for a new Japanese car than waste my money on an Aussie built piece of junk that I can have in a day.
My opinion on the Aussie car industry is..good riddence to bad rubbish  :)

The only sector propping up Holden and Ford is the government fleet market..without the tax payers these American companies would quickly fold in this country.
It would be far cheaper to retrain the workers in new 21st century industries than continuing to support these American companies in churning out junk cars that are decades behind the rest of the world.

Verge wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 4:40pm:

I think Nail you will be suprised the number of families going to bigger cars like the Captiva, Territory, Kia Carnivals etc due to the requirements of car seats for kids up to now age 7 (from memory). The Falcon and commodores are no longer any good for the 2.3 kid family as you struggle to fit three car seats in them. But you already knew that was a major factor in the depleation of the key target market didnt you.

Territories were one of the cars that Ford is making less of along with the falcon.

adelcrow wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 6:16pm:

The only sector propping up Holden and Ford is the government fleet market..without the tax payers these American companies would quickly fold in this country. It would be far cheaper to retrain the workers in new 21st century industries than continuing to support these American companies in churning out junk cars that are decades behind the rest of the world.

and crappy taxies for which these cars are not designed for. A proper taxi design is the one the poms use. Why don't Ford and GMH make those ??

adelcrow wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 6:09pm:

The poor quality of Aussie built cars is common knowledge these days so it is no wonder people are flocking to buy Japanese and Western European built cars. Holdens answer to the small car market is to import a 3rd rate piece of junk from Korea in pieces and build it here..what a joke.

and they got 200 million of tax payers money to do it as well which is an absolute disgrace :(

adelcrow wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 6:16pm:

The only sector propping up Holden and Ford is the government fleet market..without the tax payers these American companies would quickly fold in this country. It would be far cheaper to retrain the workers in new 21st century industries than continuing to support these American companies in churning out junk cars that are decades behind the rest of the world.

Couldn't agree more  ;)

The truth is, Commodores and Falcons are 3rd rate copies of second rate American cars that is why Aussie consumers are giving them a wide berth.
Given the huge choice of good quality reliable Japanese and Western European cars that we now have in this country who in their right mind would waste thier hard earned cash on a Commodore or a Falcon

adelcrow wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 6:09pm:

The poor quality of Aussie built cars is common knowledge these days so it is no wonder people are flocking to buy Japanese and Western European built cars. Holdens answer to the small car market is to import a 3rd rate piece of junk from Korea in pieces and build it here..what a joke. As for Ford, you may as well tear up your money and flush it down the dunny. The only problem with buying Japanese cars at the moment is the long wait because of the disasters that have befallen the country but I would rather wait 3 mths for a new Japanese car than waste my money on an Aussie built piece of junk that I can have in a day. My opinion on the Aussie car industry is..good riddence to bad rubbish  :)

actually, you are completely wrong. id this was 1980 you'd be right but in the ensuing 30 years the quality of aussie-made cars has come to equal and exceed that of many other countries esp the USA. I own a ford high performance car which has the performance and build quality of a european car worth 2-3 times as much. the interior appointments are the only thing that doesnt compaore. but if you want to pay $150,000 for that then go for it.  and when you actuall drive or own some of these imported cars you realise just how much can go wrong with them - just like cars made here the difference being that replacements or repairs to my FPV GT can be 1/5th that of a high end BMW. and in most cases my car still is faster.

time to get a few facts on the aussie car industry. we arent exporting them to USA UK and even Japan because they are junk.

adelcrow wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 7:50pm:

The truth is, Commodores and Falcons are 3rd rate copies of second rate American cars that is why Aussie consumers are giving them a wide berth. Given the huge choice of good quality reliable Japanese and Western European cars that we now have in this country who in their right mind would waste thier hard earned cash on a Commodore or a Falcon

probably people who know more about cars than you.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 7:53pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 21st, 2011 at 6:09pm: The poor quality of Aussie built cars is common knowledge these days so it is no wonder people are flocking to buy Japanese and Western European built cars. Holdens answer to the small car market is to import a 3rd rate piece of junk from Korea in pieces and build it here..what a joke. As for Ford, you may as well tear up your money and flush it down the dunny. The only problem with buying Japanese cars at the moment is the long wait because of the disasters that have befallen the country but I would rather wait 3 mths for a new Japanese car than waste my money on an Aussie built piece of junk that I can have in a day. My opinion on the Aussie car industry is..good riddence to bad rubbish  :) actually, you are completely wrong. id this was 1980 you'd be right but in the ensuing 30 years the quality of aussie-made cars has come to equal and exceed that of many other countries esp the USA. I own a ford high performance car which has the performance and build quality of a european car worth 2-3 times as much. the interior appointments are the only thing that doesnt compaore. but if you want to pay $150,000 for that then go for it.  and when you actuall drive or own some of these imported cars you realise just how much can go wrong with them - just like cars made here the difference being that replacements or repairs to my FPV GT can be 1/5th that of a high end BMW. and in most cases my car still is faster. time to get a few facts on the aussie car industry. we arent exporting them to USA UK and even Japan because they are junk.

Any time you see a car broken down on the road it's most likely to be a Ford followed by a Holden. Funny about that ;)

those Holdens are junk. they use cheap arse switches that fall apart and chinese made underated relays in their electrical circuits that burn out. Holden won't supply a relay as a replacement item so you have to spend 400-500 on a whole new board assembly instead of a 20 buck relay. Then you have to get two new keys made up and the whole lot ends up costing you 800 bucks all because of a cheap arse underrated relay !! It's just cheap and nasty.

Those Holden's have major problems with flat batteries and they still can't work out what causes it :( Just rubbish.

And what about the tinny plasticy cheap arse panels and upholstery !!

Holden has a terrible reputation when it comes to customer satisfaction. Just look at all of the major problems with its Astra's and Barina's.

adelcrow wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 7:50pm:

The truth is, Commodores and Falcons are 3rd rate copies of second rate American cars that is why Aussie consumers are giving them a wide berth. Given the huge choice of good quality reliable Japanese and Western European cars that we now have in this country who in their right mind would waste thier hard earned cash on a Commodore or a Falcon

It's what happens to a poor quality product when you subsidize it using corporate welfare. The product could not survive by itself on a level playing field :(

All tariffs in the automotive industry should be dropped asap

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 10:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21st, 2011 at 7:53pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 21st, 2011 at 6:09pm: The poor quality of Aussie built cars is common knowledge these days so it is no wonder people are flocking to buy Japanese and Western European built cars. Holdens answer to the small car market is to import a 3rd rate piece of junk from Korea in pieces and build it here..what a joke. As for Ford, you may as well tear up your money and flush it down the dunny. The only problem with buying Japanese cars at the moment is the long wait because of the disasters that have befallen the country but I would rather wait 3 mths for a new Japanese car than waste my money on an Aussie built piece of junk that I can have in a day. My opinion on the Aussie car industry is..good riddence to bad rubbish  :) actually, you are completely wrong. id this was 1980 you'd be right but in the ensuing 30 years the quality of aussie-made cars has come to equal and exceed that of many other countries esp the USA. I own a ford high performance car which has the performance and build quality of a european car worth 2-3 times as much. the interior appointments are the only thing that doesnt compaore. but if you want to pay $150,000 for that then go for it.  and when you actuall drive or own some of these imported cars you realise just how much can go wrong with them - just like cars made here the difference being that replacements or repairs to my FPV GT can be 1/5th that of a high end BMW. and in most cases my car still is faster. time to get a few facts on the aussie car industry. we arent exporting them to USA UK and even Japan because they are junk. Any time you see a car broken down on the road it's most likely to be a Ford followed by a Holden. Funny about that ;) those Holdens are junk. they use cheap arse switches that fall apart and chinese made underated relays in their electrical circuits that burn out. Holden won't supply a relay as a replacement item so you have to spend 400-500 on a whole new board assembly instead of a 20 buck relay. Then you have to get two new keys made up and the whole lot ends up costing you 800 bucks all because of a cheap arse underrated relay !! It's just cheap and nasty. Those Holden's have major problems with flat batteries and they still can't work out what causes it :( Just rubbish. And what about the tinny plasticy cheap arse panels and upholstery !! Holden has a terrible reputation when it comes to customer satisfaction. Just look at all of the major problems with its Astra's and Barina's.

astras and barinas are imported.

adelcrow wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 7:54am:

All tariffs in the automotive industry should be dropped asap

there are hardly any tariffs anyhow. bu if you want to pay 3 times as much for a luxury car then go right ahead.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 11:57am:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 7:54am: All tariffs in the automotive industry should be dropped asap there are hardly any tariffs anyhow. bu if you want to pay 3 times as much for a luxury car then go right ahead.

A luxury car like Nail's.

If there are hardly any tariffs now why would I pay 3 times as much as I would now if I bought an Astin Martin DB9 if they were dropped tomorrow?
This is just an example of course  :)

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 11:56am:

astras and barinas are imported.

yes but the point is they sell lemons to people and Holden doesn't want to know about their problems afterwards. Poor after sales service is typical from this company :(

adelcrow wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 12:48pm:

If there are hardly any tariffs now why would I pay 3 times as much as I would now if I bought an Astin Martin DB9 if they were dropped tomorrow? This is just an example of course  :)

drove past an aston martin not that long ago (not a DB9). my car is fabulous but i certinaly felt like a poor cousin next to it!  we share good taste in cars.

But if you want to compare prices etc try comparing prices on real cars not supercars and exotics.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 12:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 11:57am: adelcrow wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 7:54am: All tariffs in the automotive industry should be dropped asap there are hardly any tariffs anyhow. bu if you want to pay 3 times as much for a luxury car then go right ahead. A luxury car like Nail's.

and like everything else you wont tell us what it is... because it is just another implausible lie.

loser.

Hey Longy..u said luxury cars..not me   :P

adelcrow wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 1:56pm:

Hey Longy..u said luxury cars..not me   :P

He thinks his Ford V8 gas guzzler is a luxury car :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 2:01pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 1:56pm: Hey Longy..u said luxury cars..not me   :P He thinks his Ford V8 gas guzzler is a luxury car :D LOL

Longweekend shouldn't be here on Ozpolitc -
he needs to go to church today & pray for his salvation.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 2:37pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 2:01pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 1:56pm: Hey Longy..u said luxury cars..not me   :P He thinks his Ford V8 gas guzzler is a luxury car :D LOL Longweekend shouldn't be here on Ozpolitc - he needs to go to church today & pray for his salvation.

yes he is praying for a better car ;) LOL

adelcrow wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 1:56pm:

Hey Longy..u said luxury cars..not me   :P

luxury car - not supercar. big difference.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 3:07pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 1:56pm: Hey Longy..u said luxury cars..not me   :P luxury car - not supercar. big difference.

Go to church Longweekend.

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 2:01pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 1:56pm: Hey Longy..u said luxury cars..not me   :P He thinks his Ford V8 gas guzzler is a luxury car :D LOL

it IS a luxury car.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 3:17pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 2:01pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 1:56pm: Hey Longy..u said luxury cars..not me   :P He thinks his Ford V8 gas guzzler is a luxury car :D LOL it IS a luxury car.

Longweekend- you can't compete with Nail's luxury car.
Those soft leather seats get babes.  ;D

How much cheaper would overseas luxury cars be if all extra taxes and tariffs were removed?
Who wouldnt rather buy a top of the range BMW or Mercedes rather than a Commodore or Falcon?  

adelcrow wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 5:34pm:

How much cheaper would overseas luxury cars be if all extra taxes and tariffs were removed? Who wouldnt rather buy a top of the range BMW or Mercedes rather than a Commodore or Falcon?

How much would your petrol be if you removed just 50% of the obscene petrol tax you pay too??

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 3:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 3:17pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 2:01pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 1:56pm: Hey Longy..u said luxury cars..not me   :P He thinks his Ford V8 gas guzzler is a luxury car :D LOL it IS a luxury car. Longweekend- you can't compete with Nail's luxury car. Those soft leather seats get babes.  ;D

already got leather seats, boof-head.

adelcrow wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 5:34pm:

How much cheaper would overseas luxury cars be if all extra taxes and tariffs were removed? Who wouldnt rather buy a top of the range BMW or Mercedes rather than a Commodore or Falcon?

you think tariifs are the only difference between a $90K HSV/FPV and a $300K top BMW/Merc?

With respect I'd take a BMW or Merc over a Ford/General Motors car anyday.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 6:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 3:21pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 3:17pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 2:01pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 1:56pm: Hey Longy..u said luxury cars..not me   :P He thinks his Ford V8 gas guzzler is a luxury car :D LOL it IS a luxury car. Longweekend- you can't compete with Nail's luxury car. Those soft leather seats get babes.  ;D already got leather seats, boof-head.

vinyl imitation no doubt ;) LOL

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 6:11pm:

adelcrow wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 5:34pm: How much cheaper would overseas luxury cars be if all extra taxes and tariffs were removed? Who wouldnt rather buy a top of the range BMW or Mercedes rather than a Commodore or Falcon?   you think tariifs are the only difference between a $90K HSV/FPV and a $300K top BMW/Merc?

Engineers design Merc's and BMW's whereas accountants design Fords and Holdens ;)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 6:15pm:

With respect I'd take a BMW or Merc over a Ford/General Motors car anyday.

not dollar for dollar. under $100K, BMW and Merc compare poorly with local vehicles. feature for feature they are no better while costing vastly more to repair and service.

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 6:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 6:11pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 5:34pm: How much cheaper would overseas luxury cars be if all extra taxes and tariffs were removed? Who wouldnt rather buy a top of the range BMW or Mercedes rather than a Commodore or Falcon?   you think tariifs are the only difference between a $90K HSV/FPV and a $300K top BMW/Merc? Engineers design Merc's and BMW's whereas accountants design Fords and Holdens ;)

one day you might be able to afford a car too instead of that bike you ride.

I hope your not picking on my treddly ..I'll have you know, its pretty swish  :)

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 6:42pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 6:23pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 6:11pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 5:34pm: How much cheaper would overseas luxury cars be if all extra taxes and tariffs were removed? Who wouldnt rather buy a top of the range BMW or Mercedes rather than a Commodore or Falcon?   you think tariifs are the only difference between a $90K HSV/FPV and a $300K top BMW/Merc? Engineers design Merc's and BMW's whereas accountants design Fords and Holdens ;) one day you might be able to afford a car too instead of that bike you ride.

so how much did it cost you to fill up that V8 gas guzzler this easter ?? You deserve it :) LOL

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 6:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 3:21pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 3:17pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 2:01pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 1:56pm: Hey Longy..u said luxury cars..not me   :P He thinks his Ford V8 gas guzzler is a luxury car :D LOL it IS a luxury car. Longweekend- you can't compete with Nail's luxury car. Those soft leather seats get babes.  ;D already got leather seats, boof-head.

Longweekend - unless you put aftermarket leather seats in
your clunker I can bet it had vinyl seats as standard?
No one but you would try to make a silk purse from a sow's ears.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 8:34am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 6:06pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 3:21pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 3:17pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 2:01pm: adelcrow wrote on Apr 22nd, 2011 at 1:56pm: Hey Longy..u said luxury cars..not me   :P He thinks his Ford V8 gas guzzler is a luxury car :D LOL it IS a luxury car. Longweekend- you can't compete with Nail's luxury car. Those soft leather seats get babes.  ;D already got leather seats, boof-head. Longweekend - unless you put aftermarket leather seats in your clunker I can bet it had vinyl seats as standard? No one but you would try to make a silk purse from a sow's ears.

www.fpv.com.au

take a look at the options. the GT has leather as an option - which almost everyone takes and the GT-P has it as standard.

you've never been in a high-end car have you?

I have been in many luxury cars.
Nail's car has soft leather seats as standard.

I still dont see how stopping tariffs and cutting taxes on imported cars is going to make luxury imported cars 3 times the price.

adelcrow wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 11:26am:

I still dont see how stopping tariffs and cutting taxes on imported cars is going to make luxury imported cars 3 times the price.

it wont!  LOL. ther are ALREADY 3 times the price. a car comparable to a highend FPV/HSV is $150K-$200 and usually not as fast.

In fact.. the prices will decrease   :P

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 9:35am:

www.fpv.com.au take a look at the options. the GT has leather as an option - which almost everyone takes and the GT-P has it as standard. you've never been in a high-end car have you?

optional is the key word of course. Obviously it comes standard with a bench seat in vinyl :) LOL

adelcrow wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 11:58am:

In fact.. the prices will decrease   :P

why dont you find out what the tariff is on cars then do a bit of maths and get back to us on it. a decreason of $10k-$20k hardly changes the dynamic any.

have you even driven a high-end locally made car?

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 12:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2011 at 9:35am: www.fpv.com.au take a look at the options. the GT has leather as an option - which almost everyone takes and the GT-P has it as standard. you've never been in a high-end car have you? optional is the key word of course. Obviously it comes standard with a bench seat in vinyl :) LOL

why dont you step out of characted and do a little basic research on the car. you will find little thigns called facts. and what car coems with a vinyl bench seat in the front anyhow? do ANY cars stil ahve them beyond the 30year ld crap you probably drive?

your jealousy is a little transparent.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 12:52pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 23rd, 2011 at 12:46pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2011 at 9:35am: www.fpv.com.au take a look at the options. the GT has leather as an option - which almost everyone takes and the GT-P has it as standard. you've never been in a high-end car have you? optional is the key word of course. Obviously it comes standard with a bench seat in vinyl :) LOL why dont you step out of characted and do a little basic research on the car. you will find little thigns called facts. and what car coems with a vinyl bench seat in the front anyhow? do ANY cars stil ahve them beyond the 30year ld crap you probably drive? your jealousy is a little transparent.

are you saying this gas guzzler is the future in driving through peak hour stop start traffic ?? Yes I am really jealous of not being part of that :) LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 1:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2011 at 12:52pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 23rd, 2011 at 12:46pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2011 at 9:35am: www.fpv.com.au take a look at the options. the GT has leather as an option - which almost everyone takes and the GT-P has it as standard. you've never been in a high-end car have you? optional is the key word of course. Obviously it comes standard with a bench seat in vinyl :) LOL why dont you step out of characted and do a little basic research on the car. you will find little thigns called facts. and what car coems with a vinyl bench seat in the front anyhow? do ANY cars stil ahve them beyond the 30year ld crap you probably drive? your jealousy is a little transparent. are you saying this gas guzzler is the future in driving through peak hour stop start traffic ?? Yes I am really jealous of not being part of that :) LOL

yeah because that is the topic at hand...

when youve driven a high performance car then everything else seems so passe...

next car is a FPV GTP-P 335 with the 420Kw Herrod upgrade. $100K of pure driving pleasure. faster than a BMW M3 and half the price - especially if you want to repair it!

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 1:16pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 23rd, 2011 at 1:13pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2011 at 12:52pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 23rd, 2011 at 12:46pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2011 at 9:35am: www.fpv.com.au take a look at the options. the GT has leather as an option - which almost everyone takes and the GT-P has it as standard. you've never been in a high-end car have you? optional is the key word of course. Obviously it comes standard with a bench seat in vinyl :) LOL why dont you step out of characted and do a little basic research on the car. you will find little thigns called facts. and what car coems with a vinyl bench seat in the front anyhow? do ANY cars stil ahve them beyond the 30year ld crap you probably drive? your jealousy is a little transparent. are you saying this gas guzzler is the future in driving through peak hour stop start traffic ?? Yes I am really jealous of not being part of that :) LOL yeah because that is the topic at hand... when youve driven a high performance car then everything else seems so passe... next car is a FPV GTP-P 335 with the 420Kw Herrod upgrade. $100K of pure driving pleasure. faster than a BMW M3 and half the price - especially if you want to repair it!

then maybe you should drive a Tesla ;)

and what's the point in having this power with speed limits around ?

and what difference would it make driving through peak hour stop start traffic which would make it a much more expensive journey ? I'd hardly call that something to get excited about.

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 1:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2011 at 1:16pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 23rd, 2011 at 1:13pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2011 at 12:52pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 23rd, 2011 at 12:46pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2011 at 9:35am: www.fpv.com.au take a look at the options. the GT has leather as an option - which almost everyone takes and the GT-P has it as standard. you've never been in a high-end car have you? optional is the key word of course. Obviously it comes standard with a bench seat in vinyl :) LOL why dont you step out of characted and do a little basic research on the car. you will find little thigns called facts. and what car coems with a vinyl bench seat in the front anyhow? do ANY cars stil ahve them beyond the 30year ld crap you probably drive? your jealousy is a little transparent. are you saying this gas guzzler is the future in driving through peak hour stop start traffic ?? Yes I am really jealous of not being part of that :) LOL yeah because that is the topic at hand... when youve driven a high performance car then everything else seems so passe... next car is a FPV GTP-P 335 with the 420Kw Herrod upgrade. $100K of pure driving pleasure. faster than a BMW M3 and half the price - especially if you want to repair it! then maybe you should drive a Tesla ;) and what's the point in having this power with speed limits around ? and what difference would it make driving through peak hour stop start traffic which would make it a much more expensive journey ? I'd hardly call that something to get excited about.

if you'd ever driven a high performance car you wouldnt ask these questions:)  all you respond with is the usual wannabe rubbish.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 2:39pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 23rd, 2011 at 1:26pm: then maybe you should drive a Tesla ;) and what's the point in having this power with speed limits around ? and what difference would it make driving through peak hour stop start traffic which would make it a much more expensive journey ? I'd hardly call that something to get excited about. if you'd ever driven a high performance car you wouldnt ask these questions:)  all you respond with is the usual wannabe rubbish.

are speed limits wannabe rubbish ??

is the rising cost of fossil fool wannabe rubbish ?

is the drudgery of stop start peak hours traffic and its burden on fuel consumption wannabe rubbish ??

Is the Tesla better than the Ford. You bet it is :D LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omCv1PVyjtg

Good video Nail -
it shows the Tesla electric car beating a Ford Mustang.
Longweekend can stick that in his pipe & smoke it.  ;D

withiun 3 years I will own a Tesla as well as a high-performance petrol car.

and you two losers with still be driving 30 year old cars with the vinyl bench seats you seem to think are still available. it is almost the case that everytime you post you betray just how little you know of the topic.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 12:58pm:

withiun 3 years I will own a Tesla as well as a high-performance petrol car. and you two losers with still be driving 30 year old cars with the vinyl bench seats you seem to think are still available. it is almost the case that everytime you post you betray just how little you know of the topic.

Longweekend - you've spent the best part of 4 years bagging Nail
over electric cars & now you say you'll buy one.
With what money? - a Newstart allowance?

You must have Walter Mitty syndrome!

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 12:58pm:

withiun 3 years I will own a Tesla as well as a high-performance petrol car. and you two losers with still be driving 30 year old cars with the vinyl bench seats you seem to think are still available. it is almost the case that everytime you post you betray just how little you know of the topic.

yes but you have said many times that electric cars are no good because you can't charge them up straight away and now you want to own one :) LOL You're all talk an no action !!

vinyl bench seats !! Who mentioned that first about your Ford shitbox ?? Try and be a bit original in your replies will you for once :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 1:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 12:58pm: withiun 3 years I will own a Tesla as well as a high-performance petrol car. and you two losers with still be driving 30 year old cars with the vinyl bench seats you seem to think are still available. it is almost the case that everytime you post you betray just how little you know of the topic. yes but you have said many times that electric cars are no good because you can't charge them up straight away and now you want to own one :) LOL You're all talk an no action !! vinyl bench seats !! Who mentioned that first about your Ford shitbox ?? Try and be a bit original in your replies will you for once :(

you two are like Abbott and Costello except they were funny and werent gay. Plus they were successful and you arent.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 2:14pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 1:41pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 12:58pm: withiun 3 years I will own a Tesla as well as a high-performance petrol car. and you two losers with still be driving 30 year old cars with the vinyl bench seats you seem to think are still available. it is almost the case that everytime you post you betray just how little you know of the topic. yes but you have said many times that electric cars are no good because you can't charge them up straight away and now you want to own one :) LOL You're all talk an no action !! vinyl bench seats !! Who mentioned that first about your Ford shitbox ?? Try and be a bit original in your replies will you for once :( you two are like Abbott and Costello except they were funny and werent gay. Plus they were successful and you arent.

and you're a real sad case. You need some help or counseling or maybe you are just to far gone :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 4:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 2:14pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 1:41pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 12:58pm: withiun 3 years I will own a Tesla as well as a high-performance petrol car. and you two losers with still be driving 30 year old cars with the vinyl bench seats you seem to think are still available. it is almost the case that everytime you post you betray just how little you know of the topic. yes but you have said many times that electric cars are no good because you can't charge them up straight away and now you want to own one :) LOL You're all talk an no action !! vinyl bench seats !! Who mentioned that first about your Ford shitbox ?? Try and be a bit original in your replies will you for once :( you two are like Abbott and Costello except they were funny and werent gay. Plus they were successful and you arent. and you're a real sad case. You need some help or counseling or maybe you are just to far gone :(

still enjoying your EH Holden with vinyl bench seats?

i wouldnt worry with longweekender

the id in question thinks the RBA is run by the australian govt,

detatched one may observe without judgement

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 4:25pm:

i wouldnt worry with longweekender the id in question thinks the RBA is run by the australian govt, detatched one may observe without judgement namaste

We all know him.
Longweekend once championed a perpetual motion water car!
Nail & I always catch him out & doesn't like it.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 4:43pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 4:25pm: i wouldnt worry with longweekender the id in question thinks the RBA is run by the australian govt, detatched one may observe without judgement namaste We all know him. Longweekend once championed a perpetual motion water car! Nail & I always catch him out & doesn't like it.

booby the gay with his 6 years at uni mowing the lawns...

you could catch  a cold.

Longweekend - you're nothing but a delusional troll.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 4:50pm:

Longweekend - you're nothing but a delusional troll.

keep dreaming loserboy. every time you post you show how little you know of the subject at hand no matter what it is.

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 4:25pm:

i wouldnt worry with longweekender the id in question thinks the RBA is run by the australian govt, detatched one may observe without judgement namaste

oh you are DETACHED alright... from reality.

Gee..are there any threads on this forum that dont degenerate into personal abuse?

adelcrow wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 7:33pm:

Gee..are there any threads on this forum that dont degenerate into personal abuse?

threads that dont have lastnail, booby or deathridesasmurf

I'd be wary of buying a Tesla. By all accounts they have the build quality of a 1970's Jag.

Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 8:55pm:

I'd be wary of buying a Tesla. By all accounts they have the build quality of a 1970's Jag.

yikes... although i havent heard that. and it wasnt jusy 1970s jags - it was 80s as well until Ford took over and taught them how to build RELIABLE cars - nots just cool looking ones.

Those old Jags were dogs of cars

adelcrow wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 9:10pm:

Those old Jags were dogs of cars

the V12 was a fabulous vehicle... when it was working.

Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 8:55pm:

I'd be wary of buying a Tesla. By all accounts they have the build quality of a 1970's Jag.

What makes you think Longweekend has the money to even buy a Tesla?
He suffers from delusions equivalent to "Walter Mitty Syndrome"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mitty

Quote:

Walter Mitty is a fictional character in James Thurber's short story "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty", first published in The New Yorker on March 18, 1939, and in book form in My World and Welcome to It in 1942. It was made into a film in 1947.[1] Mitty is a meek, mild man with a vivid fantasy life: in a few dozen paragraphs he imagines himself a wartime pilot, an emergency-room surgeon, and a devil-may-care killer. The character's name has come into more general use to refer to an ineffectual dreamer, appearing in several dictionaries.[2] The American Heritage Dictionary defines a Walter Mitty as "an ordinary, often ineffectual person who indulges in fantastic daydreams of personal triumphs".[3] The most famous of Thurber's inept male protagonists, the character is considered "the archetype for dreamy, hapless, Thurber Man".[4] Although the story has humorous elements, there is a darker and more significant message underlying the text, leading to a more tragic interpretation of the Mitty character. Even in his heroic daydreams, Mitty does not triumph, several fantasies being interrupted before the final one sees Mitty dying bravely in front of a firing squad. In the brief snatches of reality that punctuate Mitty's fantasies we meet well-meaning but insensitive strangers who inadvertently rob Mitty of some of his remaining dignity.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 9:15pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 8:55pm: I'd be wary of buying a Tesla. By all accounts they have the build quality of a 1970's Jag. What makes you think Longweekend has the money to even buy a Tesla? He suffers from delusions equivalent to "Walter Mitty Syndrome" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mitty Quote: Walter Mitty is a fictional character in James Thurber's short story "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty", first published in The New Yorker on March 18, 1939, and in book form in My World and Welcome to It in 1942. It was made into a film in 1947.[1] Mitty is a meek, mild man with a vivid fantasy life: in a few dozen paragraphs he imagines himself a wartime pilot, an emergency-room surgeon, and a devil-may-care killer. The character's name has come into more general use to refer to an ineffectual dreamer, appearing in several dictionaries.[2] The American Heritage Dictionary defines a Walter Mitty as "an ordinary, often ineffectual person who indulges in fantastic daydreams of personal triumphs".[3] The most famous of Thurber's inept male protagonists, the character is considered "the archetype for dreamy, hapless, Thurber Man".[4] Although the story has humorous elements, there is a darker and more significant message underlying the text, leading to a more tragic interpretation of the Mitty character. Even in his heroic daydreams, Mitty does not triumph, several fantasies being interrupted before the final one sees Mitty dying bravely in front of a firing squad. In the brief snatches of reality that punctuate Mitty's fantasies we meet well-meaning but insensitive strangers who inadvertently rob Mitty of some of his remaining dignity.

if i had the money id have one NOW. but i already own one high-performance car whioch gives me much pleasure - the kind you and tonail neither understand or will ever experience.

Walter Mitty is a fictional character in James Thurber's short story "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty", first published in The New Yorker on March 18, 1939, and in book form in My World and Welcome to It in 1942. It was made into a film in 1947.[1]

Mitty is a meek, mild man with a vivid fantasy life: in a few dozen paragraphs he imagines himself a wartime pilot, an emergency-room surgeon, and a devil-may-care killer. The character's name has come into more general use to refer to an ineffectual dreamer, appearing in several dictionaries.[2] The American Heritage Dictionary defines a Walter Mitty as "an ordinary, often ineffectual person who indulges in fantastic daydreams of personal triumphs".[3] The most famous of Thurber's inept male protagonists, the character is considered "the archetype for dreamy, hapless, Thurber Man".[4]

Although the story has humorous elements, there is a darker and more significant message underlying the text, leading to a more tragic interpretation of the Mitty character. Even in his heroic daydreams, Mitty does not triumph, several fantasies being interrupted before the final one sees Mitty dying bravely in front of a firing squad. In the brief snatches of reality that punctuate Mitty's fantasies we meet well-meaning but insensitive strangers who inadvertently rob Mitty of some of his remaining dignity.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 5:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 4:50pm: Longweekend - you're nothing but a delusional troll. keep dreaming loserboy. every time you post you show how little you know of the subject at hand no matter what it is.

you've always got to have the last say even when you have totally lost the argument.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 9:24pm:

if i had the money id have one NOW. but i already own one high-performance car whioch gives me much pleasure - the kind you and tonail neither understand or will ever experience.

how much did it cost you to fill it up this easter :D LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 11:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 9:24pm: if i had the money id have one NOW. but i already own one high-performance car whioch gives me much pleasure - the kind you and tonail neither understand or will ever experience. how much did it cost you to fill it up this easter :D LOL

less than it did a few years ago and unlike your bike, i enjoyed my driving with 300Kw under the bonnet!

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:22pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 11:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 9:24pm: if i had the money id have one NOW. but i already own one high-performance car whioch gives me much pleasure - the kind you and tonail neither understand or will ever experience. how much did it cost you to fill it up this easter :D LOL less than it did a few years ago and unlike your bike, i enjoyed my driving with 300Kw under the bonnet!

and how can that be ??

how much does it cost to fill up the tank ?? Simple question or maybe you need it put to you in easier to understand terms. How big is the tank ??

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:22pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 11:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 9:24pm: if i had the money id have one NOW. but i already own one high-performance car whioch gives me much pleasure - the kind you and tonail neither understand or will ever experience. how much did it cost you to fill it up this easter :D LOL less than it did a few years ago and unlike your bike, i enjoyed my driving with 300Kw under the bonnet!

I thought it wrecked your car if you put water in the fuel tank......or have you been out at night syphoning your neighbours cars?......can't trust liberals!!!!!

Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 8:55pm:

I'd be wary of buying a Tesla. By all accounts they have the build quality of a 1970's Jag.

how can that be. It doesn't even resemble a jag.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:22pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 11:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 9:24pm: if i had the money id have one NOW. but i already own one high-performance car whioch gives me much pleasure - the kind you and tonail neither understand or will ever experience. how much did it cost you to fill it up this easter :D LOL less than it did a few years ago and unlike your bike, i enjoyed my driving with 300Kw under the bonnet!

300 Kw?
If you took it around a track on the red line it
would blow up after about 2 laps.
You don't have a racing car Longweekend.

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2011 at 1:22pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 11:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 9:24pm: if i had the money id have one NOW. but i already own one high-performance car whioch gives me much pleasure - the kind you and tonail neither understand or will ever experience. how much did it cost you to fill it up this easter :D LOL less than it did a few years ago and unlike your bike, i enjoyed my driving with 300Kw under the bonnet! and how can that be ?? how much does it cost to fill up the tank ?? Simple question or maybe you need it put to you in easier to understand terms. How big is the tank ??

you have no idea what it is to enjoy driving, do you? no idea at all! no wonder you have no clue what most of us talk about on here.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 6:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2011 at 1:22pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 11:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 9:24pm: if i had the money id have one NOW. but i already own one high-performance car whioch gives me much pleasure - the kind you and tonail neither understand or will ever experience. how much did it cost you to fill it up this easter :D LOL less than it did a few years ago and unlike your bike, i enjoyed my driving with 300Kw under the bonnet! 300 Kw? If you took it around a track on the red line it would blow up after about 2 laps. You don't have a racing car Longweekend.

its called a RED line for a reason you moronic imbecile. V8 Super car drivers dont drive them past red line either. or did that not occur to you?

and actually, you CAN race my car although if i did that Id upgrade the brake package to brembos.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 7:51pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2011 at 1:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2011 at 1:22pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 11:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 9:24pm: if i had the money id have one NOW. but i already own one high-performance car whioch gives me much pleasure - the kind you and tonail neither understand or will ever experience. how much did it cost you to fill it up this easter :D LOL less than it did a few years ago and unlike your bike, i enjoyed my driving with 300Kw under the bonnet! and how can that be ?? how much does it cost to fill up the tank ?? Simple question or maybe you need it put to you in easier to understand terms. How big is the tank ?? you have no idea what it is to enjoy driving, do you? no idea at all! no wonder you have no clue what most of us talk about on here.

try driving through Melbourne peak hour traffic and see how much you enjoy it and then see your fuel gauge go down and enjoy that even more :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 26^th, 2011 at 1:21am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2011 at 7:51pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 25th, 2011 at 1:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 25th, 2011 at 1:22pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 11:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 24th, 2011 at 9:24pm: if i had the money id have one NOW. but i already own one high-performance car whioch gives me much pleasure - the kind you and tonail neither understand or will ever experience. how much did it cost you to fill it up this easter :D LOL less than it did a few years ago and unlike your bike, i enjoyed my driving with 300Kw under the bonnet! and how can that be ?? how much does it cost to fill up the tank ?? Simple question or maybe you need it put to you in easier to understand terms. How big is the tank ?? you have no idea what it is to enjoy driving, do you? no idea at all! no wonder you have no clue what most of us talk about on here. try driving through Melbourne peak hour traffic and see how much you enjoy it and then see your fuel gauge go down and enjoy that even more :(

you really do have NO IDEA how people can enjoy driving do you? hvae you ever driven anywhere besides commuting? do u even drive at all?

some of us actually ENJOY our lives. maybe you could try the same!

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2011 at 11:20am:

you really do have NO IDEA how people can enjoy driving do you? hvae you ever driven anywhere besides commuting? do u even drive at all? some of us actually ENJOY our lives. maybe you could try the same!

obviously people don't enjoy driving fords because that's why people are not buying them :) LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 26^th, 2011 at 12:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26th, 2011 at 11:20am: you really do have NO IDEA how people can enjoy driving do you? hvae you ever driven anywhere besides commuting? do u even drive at all? some of us actually ENJOY our lives. maybe you could try the same! obviously people don't enjoy driving fords because that's why people are not buying them :) LOL

except of course, they are. but you'd never let a fact get in the way of a good mindless rant.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2011 at 12:35pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 26th, 2011 at 12:07pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26th, 2011 at 11:20am: you really do have NO IDEA how people can enjoy driving do you? hvae you ever driven anywhere besides commuting? do u even drive at all? some of us actually ENJOY our lives. maybe you could try the same! obviously people don't enjoy driving fords because that's why people are not buying them :) LOL except of course, they are. but you'd never let a fact get in the way of a good mindless rant.

the facts are more people are buying smaller cars. Obviously can't afford to have fun ;) LOL

Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 8:55pm:

I'd be wary of buying a Tesla. By all accounts they have the build quality of a 1970's Jag.

My Old Man had a '72 XJ6 with the manual 'box, and
there was NOTHING wrong with it at all.

He must have gotten a 'Wednesday' car.

But he was a motor-mechanic, and it was always
kept in top fettle.

And it was a SUPERB car to drive.

Reading this posts I,am not sure if I should be laughing, or I,am really just wasting my time in my old-age.
I,am wondering who longweekend is; is he the RBG governor Glen Stevens, he just got a $234,000 pay rise, to some $1million plus, so he can by-uy any car he likes to boost his ego.
For me a car is nothing but a transport medium to get me from a to point b safely, comfortably and hopefully not at too much expense, but I,am just your average Joe Blow.

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 26^th, 2011 at 12:37pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26th, 2011 at 12:35pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 26th, 2011 at 12:07pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26th, 2011 at 11:20am: you really do have NO IDEA how people can enjoy driving do you? hvae you ever driven anywhere besides commuting? do u even drive at all? some of us actually ENJOY our lives. maybe you could try the same! obviously people don't enjoy driving fords because that's why people are not buying them :) LOL except of course, they are. but you'd never let a fact get in the way of a good mindless rant. the facts are more people are buying smaller cars. Obviously can't afford to have fun ;) LOL

wow... this IS news!!! PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING SMALLER CARS??? since when???

oh about since 1970!

idiot!

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2011 at 3:52pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 26th, 2011 at 12:37pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26th, 2011 at 12:35pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 26th, 2011 at 12:07pm: longweekend58 wrote on Apr 26th, 2011 at 11:20am: you really do have NO IDEA how people can enjoy driving do you? hvae you ever driven anywhere besides commuting? do u even drive at all? some of us actually ENJOY our lives. maybe you could try the same! obviously people don't enjoy driving fords because that's why people are not buying them :) LOL except of course, they are. but you'd never let a fact get in the way of a good mindless rant. the facts are more people are buying smaller cars. Obviously can't afford to have fun ;) LOL wow... this IS news!!! PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING SMALLER CARS??? since when??? oh about since 1970! idiot!

so finally the idiot agrees that efficient small cars are preferable to inefficient large cars and therefore more efficient EV's are preferable to any car that runs on an expensive fossil fool source.

why do you have to keep arguing for the sake of arguing. you are just a waste of space here.