and so it is

we are all sacred and divine

the CHRIST within me,beloved ones

is also within you

you are truely blessed forgive yourselves now...

in LOVE and LIGHT

namaste

When we are born we have not sinned.

we are flawed though

christians/xtians believe they are born with sin..

whats the go?

with forgiveness

namaste

Hindus and Buddhists believe that they are born with ignorance.

What's the difference?

Forgiven.

christians/xtians believe they are born with sin..

whats the go?

with forgiveness

namaste

(this question remains unanswered

with forgiveness unto learned ones...manners yes

aaum*)

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:06pm:

christians/xtians believe they are born with sin.. whats the go? with forgiveness namaste

Well it's called original sin, or the sin of Adam. Remember the episode when God caught Adam playing with his serpent in the garden, and Adam blamed it on Eve? - original sin.

muso wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 1:50pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 25th, 2011 at 12:06pm: christians/xtians believe they are born with sin.. whats the go? with forgiveness namaste Well it's called original sin, or the sin of Adam. Remember the episode when God caught Adam playing with his serpent in the garden, and Adam blamed it on Eve? - original sin.

so....let me see if i can get this as near to correct as possible....christians already have the guilt/onus of someone elses *"indiscretion" at birth?

what about budhists? considering they believe in reincarnation....does it also follow that the sins/guilt/onus of their *"former self" follow them as well?

ps * for want of better terms.

with forgiveness unto humourous ones and confused teachings

why were you christians born with sin

original sin as it were

and if you would please i would have the care for some

instruction regarding your perspective beloved ones

namaste

I have heard another christian say we are all born with sin, I did not like it and still disagree.
That baby has not sinned.

The consequenses of adam and eves sin will happen to that baby.
It'll grow old, get ill at times. make mistakes, it will siin in itself, and it will pass away.
That's a part of living on this world.

imho, the baby has not sinned.
The results of its' ancestors sinning will still occur though.

Had adam and eve not sinned, perhaps that baby would never get ill and never die ?
It'ld be perfect.

That baby must be taught that it is doomed from the beginning - it must sin and it must be punished but it will have regular opportunities to confess its sins (pre-meditated or otherwise) and the promise of eternal afterlife - it is the Xtian way!?

Oh, and apparently, it will also have the opportunity to exploit and profit from others with impunity - cos that's OK, it is the Xtian way!?

I cold well be wrong here



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But his father will die for his own sin, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was wrong among his people. “Yet you ask, ‘Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them. “But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live. Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?

Ezekiel 18: 18 - 23



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The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.

Ezekiel 18:20

ash wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 3:20pm:

what about budhists? considering they believe in reincarnation....does it also follow that the sins/guilt/onus of their *"former self" follow them as well? ps * for want of better terms.

For a start, Buddhists don't usually believe in reincarnation in the literal sense, and you can't really infer something about Buddhism from a consideration of Christianity either.  

I'm not a Christian as such (just for Easter  ;D ), but I was trying to explain the concept of original sin.

Here is a Wikipedia article that summarises it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin

Do I agree with it? No, but I think it's a way of describing some kind of latent or hereditary malevolence, which is fair enough.

My own position is that all people are capable of doing good as well as bad. In some cases, it's obvious what is good and what is bad, but not always.

I like this Ancient Chinese tale:


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There was an old man who had a beautiful horse. This horse was not only his family’s pride and joy, but it was also a means to an income for the family. One day, the horse ran away. Fellow villagers visited the old man to give their condolences for such a stroke of bad luck, as the loss of his horse represented a staggering financial blow that would be hard to recover from. “Good luck, bad luck: Who can tell?” replied the old man. “It is as it is. My horse is gone.” Perplexed at the man’s nonchalance towards the apparent tragedy, the villagers went about their business. A few days later, the horse returned with a pack of 12 wild horses in tow. Again the villagers gathered, this time to offer their congratulations at such a stroke of good luck. Now he had 12 more horses with which to make 12 times the income! What a godsend, they said. “Good luck, bad luck: Who can tell?” replied the old man again. “All I see is that 12 more horses have appeared.” The next week, while breaking in one of the wild horses, the old man’s son fell and both his legs were broken. What bad luck! The villagers exclaimed. Your son has broken both of his legs. That’s terrible. How will you get your work done? You are too old to do it yourself. “Good luck, bad luck: Who can tell?” was the (now predictable and equally frustrating) answer of the old man. “My son has broken his legs. That is all I know.” Shortly thereafter, the government forcibly removed all the able-bodied men from the village, as the country had gone to war. The old man’s son, however, was spared since his legs were broken. Good luck, bad luck: Who can tell?

Equitist wrote on Apr 26^th, 2011 at 12:06am:

That baby must be taught that it is doomed from the beginning - it must sin and it must be punished but it will have regular opportunities to confess its sins (pre-meditated or otherwise) and the promise of eternal afterlife - it is the Xtian way!? Oh, and apparently, it will also have the opportunity to exploit and profit from others with impunity - cos that's OK, it is the Xtian way!?

Youre confusing Christianity with Judaism.

Jesus rejected the barbaric immorality taught in the Old Testament which is the basis of Judaism.

Jews reject Christ - remember?

Where is the Christian text in the New Testament that encourages exploitation and quest for profit?

Quite the opposite

http://indianinthemachine.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/jesus-light.jpg

Jesus rejected the barbaric immorality taught in the Old Testament which is the basis of Judaism.

___________

i will correct you here

this is a common mistake with forgiveness

the one you know as jesus is in fact jeshua

jesus means 'son of zeus' and is it any wonder

the lies they have handed down and all christians

hail and beg for the son of zeus to save them HE will come

and evangelicals and jesuit factional zealots hide within

christian cults and exclaim jesus will save

this is not so..the second comming is from within beloved ones

the CHRIST within you within so very much LOVE secreted

in an eternal vessel

it is the LIGHT

namaste

I think Jesus means "Who is with us"
From my memory ferm my concordance. It has nothing to do with zeus

"Christ " means "The annointed one"

I think Jesus means "Who is with us"

____________

you"think" [with forgiveness] means you repeat mistruths

dogma and doctrin

jesus means son of zeus

believe as you wish yes

do that which brings you joy

namaste

My memory was imperfect, as I said with confidance it has nothing to do with zeus.



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...........The etymology of the name Jesus is generally explained as "God's salvation" usually expressed as "Yahweh saves "[32][33][34] "Yahweh is salvation"[35][36] and at times as "Jehovah is salvation".[37] The name Jesus appears to have been in use in Judaea at the time of the birth of Jesus.[37][38] And Philo's reference (Mutatione Nominum item 121) indicates that the etymology of Joshua was known outside Judaea at the time.[39] In the New Testament, in Luke 1:31 an angel tells Mary to name her child Jesus, and in Matthew 1:21 an angel tells Joseph to name the child Jesus. The statement in Matthew 1:21 "you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins" associates salvific attributes to the name Jesus in Christian theology.[40][41] "Christ" (pronounced /ˈkraɪst/) is derived from the Greek Χριστός (Khristós) meaning "the anointed one", a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Māšîaḥ), usually transliterated into English as Messiah.[42][43] In the Septuagint version of the Hebrew Bible (written well over a century before the time of Jesus), the word Christ was used to translate into Greek the Hebrew word Māšîaḥ. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#Etymology_of_the_name


This is where it is interesting.
YAhweh is Gods secret name name, knowledge and use of this name implies a personal or covenant realtionship.

Putting it all together, this person whom I have a personal relationship with is annointed and will save me.

He certainly is with me.

yes the CHRIST is within me also brother being

you may of course believe wikipedia this is freewill

so be it

i am in no arguement with you

with forgiveness

namaste

Putting it all together, this person whom I have a personal relationship with is annointed and will save me.

____________

no one will save you

you must save yourself

do you deny this?

im interested

if you are waiting for a fairy godmother/father to save you

you will be found in lack

with forgiveness

i would suggest look within and do not repeat bullshot

namaste

how can you ever save yourself ?
If you have put yourself in that situation initially ?


You have sinned.

how can you ever save yourself ?

__________

this is a good reflection of your current state of consciousness

beloved brother being

with forgiveness yes

you will overcome this..i have it on divine authority

you are sacred and divine,fear not

for i am that i am with thee

namaste

muso wrote on Apr 26^th, 2011 at 7:34am:

ash wrote on Apr 25th, 2011 at 3:20pm: what about budhists? considering they believe in reincarnation....does it also follow that the sins/guilt/onus of their *"former self" follow them as well? ps * for want of better terms. For a start, Buddhists don't usually believe in reincarnation in the literal sense, and you can't really infer something about Buddhism from a consideration of Christianity either.

Actually, Buddists DO literally believe in reincarnation, and there are numerous mentions of reincarnation in the Bible too. John the Baptist, for example, talks of Jesus being the rebirth of the prophet Isiah.

I think you can consider Buddhism from a Christian perspective and vice-versa. Religions, essentially, stem from the same source: prophets or Enlightened ones realizing an aspect of the Source and passing the message onto the rest of us.

We then get confused and turn it into a list of rules and regulations. You see this time and time again in ashrams and spiritual communities, where people try to mimick the teacher in all sorts of ways without really understanding the essence of the teachings.

But this is understandable. Until we experience these other worlds for ourselves, we imagine a second-hand version of them. Christians, for example, do this by imagining heaven as a place you get to if you're good, or are "forgiven." Jacob's ladder, the walls of Jericho, manna from heaven, even baptism: all these are inner experiences, not literal ones; neumena, not phenomena.

Many Hindus believe that the Ganges washes away their sins, but the Ganges is a metaphor. Still, millions of Hindus go to Benares to die or be cremated.

Many Muslims believe that if they die in jihad, they will go to paradise, but jihad is a spiritual struggle. Still, many Muslims choose to die in war.

As the Light rightly says, Christians turned Jesus into a god, or God. Much debate in the establishment of the church focused on how Jesus could be God in a monotheistic religion. Hence, the trinity was thought up to solve the problem.

Politics, always politics.

As Jesus said: "if you believe the Kingdom is in the air, the birds will preceed you. If you belive the Kingdom is in the sea, the fish will preceed you. The Kingdom of heaven is within you, and outside of you" (in the Gospel of Thomas).

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 26^th, 2011 at 5:10pm:

how can you ever save yourself ? If you have put yourself in that situation initially ? You have sinned.

You can't save yourself. You need someone who has already escaped to show you the way out. You need a teacher.

But you then need to put the teachings into effect. This is the hard part.

You can't save yourself.

_____________

you can save yourself beloved ones

look within

it is there

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 27^th, 2011 at 5:18pm:

You can't save yourself. _____________ you can save yourself beloved ones look within it is there namaste

Can't you save us, Master?

I have looked within. I hated it.

forgive yourself NOW beloved..only you can do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TStvl1biyic

http://lightworkers.org/channeling/129927/archangel-gabriel-april-21-28-2011

ARCHANGEL GABRIEL 2011

April 21-28, 2011

Beloved Ones,

I wish to have discourse on the quality of Love called bravery. This quality requires the ability to know yourself and to walk your talk, even though those around you just cannot resonate with your truth. Stepping into a whole new way of Being requires immense courage and tremendous faith that what you believe in shall come into manifestation. Most of you reading this discourse have demonstrated this quality of bravery time and time again. It takes bravery to continue on your chosen Path and to stay true to this Path when you are not taken seriously by those around you.

It requires dedication and the following of your intuition, for following intuition is looked upon as a practice that is not based on concrete fact and evidence, as coming from your feeling body rather than from the realms of the mind and logic; nevertheless, those who follow their intuitive promptings can attest to having important guidance that proves to be uncanny in its unerring accuracy in the unfoldment of your Path. In these changing times, it takes much bravery just to awaken in the morning and pull yourselves out of bed to begin a new day. Brave it is to do so and to then take on your Earthly roles at the same time as your role of anchoring the Greater Light into the Earth.

This Earth is peopled by Souls who are the bravest of the brave for stepping forth when asked to come forward and step into the most challenging of circumstances ever to befall an Ascending Planet. It requires many skills, talents and abilities for you to weave opposing forces together into a Unity consciousness. It is not easy, we know, and your bravery in the face of all the odds that have been pitted against you is the stuff of legends throughout the Universe. At the core of your bravery lies the most powerful force in the Universe and that is the power of your Love, Love for the Creator, first and foremost, lives within your hearts with the most deeply ingrained intensity and conviction so that each of you are willing to endure whatever it takes to accomplish what was once considered the impossible. You it is who have known that with God all things are possible and so it is.

This quality of bravery is one that will continue to be brought forth again and again in the coming days and it is this quality of bravery that is depended upon in the Heaven Realms. It takes bravery for one to step into their power and their Light and open it to the rest of the World, for this can be frightening for those of you who have never felt the need for the spotlight, or notoriety or fame of their person, for in this day and age, what this stepping forth in this way means is the opening up of your sense of privacy to the scrutiny of the entire World where all is known and sent from one place to another in a nanosecond. This requires bravery to overcome deep seated fears of reprisals and persecutions, for this is what has been experienced by most of you in times past. To radiate your Light and anchor it into the Earth is one thing but to announce it to the World at large is quite another. We salute those of you who have overcome this great barrier to the shining forth of your true selves.

It is now the time to shine forth your Light and be the shining example for the rest of the World. By doing this, you move through old paradigms and help all incarnated Souls to do the same, encouraging them to also set asunder all that no longer works and choose only that which serves their greater good and the greater good of all. By your bravery you encourage others to find new solutions, new ways of interacting with each other, new ways of thinking, being and doing. By your works, they shall know you, Beloved Ones.

I leave you now to ponder on these words.

I AM Archangel Gabriel

Master, how can we enter the light without the help of those such as Archangel Gabriel?

Thank you, Gabriel.

Karnal wrote on Apr 28^th, 2011 at 5:18pm:

Master, how can we enter the light without the help of those such as Archangel Gabriel? Thank you, Gabriel.

Second switch from the top as you enter the hallway.

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2011 at 6:08pm:

I have looked within. I hated it.

I can understand that.

id karnal and muso,

i would suggest forgive yourselves now...

for if you do not this paradigm will not bode well for thee...

and so it is

For a Light Bulb, you really are quite 'dim'.

Sin was the word used for the Moon/Luna that was Worshipped via the Temple of Ur.It was through Sin's inspiration upon the mind of man, that Writing was created and thus such things as God, Yalweh, Allah were eventually created over time and via later umbrella civilisations. So in essence, Religion was formed to express the ways of people in that region of the world and all the 'myths' that went with it.
You write, be it Text, Pen or fingerpaint - you are a Sin-Ur (Sinner).

In truth, the Sin-Urs vanished upon the first invasion of their civilisation for 'word' has spread that Writing was more valuble than Gold (God). They were smart enough to invent Writing (and the 'memory' that goes with it) and they were smart enough to hide much of their original works. They did leave some info ..."they'll be back" and when they do, the Monotheisms of today will have 'hell to pay'.

You write, be it Text, Pen or fingerpaint - you are a Sin-Ur (Sinner).

____________

this is a lie/mistruth with forgiveness

i do not sin

you misrepresent truth again

again the question remains unanswered

if any christians would have the care

why are you born with sin

the question remains with forgiveness unto all near do wells

namaste

It is not a lie, you are just an ill-educated FOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 28^th, 2011 at 8:36pm:

id karnal and muso, i would suggest forgive yourselves now... for if you do not this paradigm will not bode well for thee... and so it is

Ok. I forgive myself. I hate the idea of a non-boding paradigm bearing down on me.  Karnal - your turn now.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 26^th, 2011 at 12:00am:

I have heard another christian say we are all born with sin, I did not like it and still disagree. That baby has not sinned. The consequenses of adam and eves sin will happen to that baby. It'll grow old, get ill at times. make mistakes, it will siin in itself, and it will pass away. That's a part of living on this world. imho, the baby has not sinned. The results of its' ancestors sinning will still occur though. Had adam and eve not sinned, perhaps that baby would never get ill and never die ? It'ld be perfect.

I had heard that some people take literal meaning from the bible, but I had hoped it was one of those myths you see on the internet.

WITHOUT TRYING TO BE TOO CONDESCENDING, IT HONESTLY DOES CONCERN ME TO KNOW THAT NORMAL, FUNCTIONAL, ADULT HUMANS, COULD BE OPERATING UNDER SUCH A BELIEF SYSTEM.

The basic premise that humanity had a perfect, temporal existence, with no pain, suffering, or death, given to them by a loving, benevolent creator, called, "God", to enjoy for eternity, but because a talking snake got a girl to eat an apple, he decided that now those creatures would be subject to a range of possible suffering that is so immense, it is doubtful whether any individual human could ever truly comprehend the multitude horrors that a man need to endure.

He did however promise that they had a chance to get back their perfect lives, if they devoted their lives to him, and has provided a whole network of spokesman who can tell you exactly what he wants you to do at all times, and how much you should pay for the privilege, but the suffering of this life is beyond your control, and random, and totally independent of any good or evil you may do. You could have lived a saintly life, and had the privilege to be disembowled and eaten alive by lions, or done nothing, other than been born to a poor african mother, and die of starvation before you could walk.
This randomly assigned suffering could be short lived, or life long, and lovingly bestowed upon you as the righteous punishment of a just god, for the whole talking snake affair, but if you get baptised, to wash away the original sin handed down to you because of that danged apple, and you are grateful to your benevolent god, he will reward you with an eternity of life without suffering.
Pity about the african baby that died, he is just shite out of luck.

Yeah, original sin, it makes sense if you really think about it. ;)

Ok. I forgive myself. I hate the idea of a non-boding paradigm bearing down on me.  Karnal - your turn now.

__________

progress yes

behold beloved ones

and so it is

namaste

and again,

where are the xtian flock

i would have the care to press my assertions with you

beloveds

eyes yet cannot see

forgiven

namaste

You don't know anything Light,
hence why you need to write in the abstract,
in an effort to convince people you have something intelligent to say.

You clutch at straws in an effort to understand the Big Picture, but you are not prepared to make the sacrifice and leave your little protective (bubble) Pyramid of mental existence to truly understand.

Bow down in servitude to me your (Sith) Master and I will show you the true power of knowledge and the future of the world.
Get on your knees and grovel like the snake that you are.

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 28^th, 2011 at 8:36pm:

id karnal and muso, i would suggest forgive yourselves now... for if you do not this paradigm will not bode well for thee... and so it is

Master, no - not the paradigm!

I forgive!

Let's get real here people...'sin' is fun! we all know it and we all do it. Of the seven deadly sins, lust and gluttony are my personal favourites, with sloth a close third.

However I was not born with any of these habits. {Note - habits, not sins.)  Anyone who claims we all have  'original sin' is a religious fruitcake of the first order.

You clutch at straws in an effort to understand the Big Picture

_________

the big picture

the earth traverses the sun every 365 days

the sun traverses the central sun alcione every 26,000 years

do the math,as it were

eyes yet do not see...

forgiven

namaste

Karnal wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 7:16pm:

Master, no - not the paradigm! I forgive!

I forgive you too Karnal. (for good measure)

You'll never get to paradise with a paradigm.

I forgive you too Karnal. (for good measure)

_____________

this reality does continue to unfold,beloved ones

have you noticed?

with or without your approval or blessing...

i would suggest forgiveness and go with the flow,as it were

and so it is

i LOVE you

namaste

-:)

Now you're just talking Astronomy and Maths, both of which have a 'repulsion' relationship with one another. Then again, the USA is the world leader in Aviation (and always will be you could say) and all things with 'up there', alas Maths is not America's strong point - so much so, that they have been the cause of one Economic Crises and will so again 'now'. They also remain in Imperial and their so-called great Mathematic inventions have only led to destruction ...like Nukes.

Like I said - you know Jack.  ::)

and again,

where are the xtian flock

i would have the care to press my assertions with you

beloveds

eyes yet cannot see

forgiven

namaste

Just bow down to a Master like me who knows more about it all than what you do and doesn't have to write as abstractly as yourself.
...if you bow down, I might

forgive you ;D

you're quite a character jas

-:)

namaste

delusional yes

but quite the character

hahha

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 30^th, 2011 at 4:11am:

I forgive you too Karnal. (for good measure) _____________ this reality does continue to unfold,beloved ones have you noticed? with or without your approval or blessing... i would suggest forgiveness and go with the flow,as it were and so it is i LOVE you namaste -:)

Master, I have a question, with forgiveness:

There are many traditions that teach that the guru is the way to the Light. Only by following the instructions of an Enlightened One, and by taking refuge in the teachings and spiritual community, can one attain the Light.

These traditions teach that one cannot reach the Light merely by following the written instructions of self-professed celestial masters on the internet. There is a transfer of energy from the guru to the disciple that is necessary in true spiritual growth.

You do not reach the Light on your own, but through the grace of gurus and Masters. There are many ways and paths, but the path of humility, devotion and service to an ascended one, is within all of them.

What is your view on this, Master?

With supreme Love and Light,

I AM Karnal.

the guru/master you seek is within you beloved master karnal

can you raise your ViBrAtIoN into sembiosis with that master within?

you alone know the answer to this

with forgiveness for confusions

namaste

-:)

it_is_the_light wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 2:47pm:

the guru/master you seek is within you beloved master karnal can you raise your ViBrAtIoN into sembiosis with that master within? you alone know the answer to this with forgiveness for confusions namaste -:)

One can ask within, Master. But the answer will depend on the sembiosis of the master within.

Many of my female co-workers, for example, believe that they can raise their vIbRaTiOnS through the art of shopping.

Many of my friends believe they can raise their ViBrAtIoNs through the art of masturbation.

And there are many others who believe they can raise their vibrations through religion, fasting, colonic irrigration, laying of hands, circumcising their sons and slaves, blowing horns and conches, reciting the holy names of G-d, blowing up false idols, reading the Bible on street corners, etc, etc, etc.

Most of us walk around like puppets, hearing the voices of our past - not the master within. The master within is very hard to hear through the dross of daily chatter.

We need to learn to hear this voice - it is not a given. It takes practice, patience, discipline, but importantly, teaching. You can't do it on your own.

This is why we follow the Master.

Thank you, SaLuSa.

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Apr 30^th, 2011 at 6:18pm:

Just bow down to a Master like me who knows more about it all than what you do and doesn't have to write as abstractly as yourself. ...if you bow down, I might forgive you ;D

What benefits do you offer over Light as a guru?

Jas is pretty good with You Tube clips lol :P

One can ask within, Master. But the answer will depend on the sembiosis of the master within.

Many of my female co-workers, for example, believe that they can raise their vIbRaTiOnS through the art of shopping.

Many of my friends believe they can raise their ViBrAtIoNs through the art of masturbation.

______________

what do you desire,not these

is the answer you seek

for to conquer yourself is better than winning 1000 battles

namaste

Thank you, Master. I agree.

Conquering yourself is harder than winning 1000 battles.

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Apr 30^th, 2011 at 6:18pm:

Just bow down to a Master like me who knows more about it all than what you do and doesn't have to write as abstractly as yourself. ...if you bow down, I might forgive you ;D

Yes, Dear One, kindly provide your credentials as the Master.

But Gee it has progressed nicely.

Hmmm? Well I don't really want 'other' followers as I just want to enslave, er...I mean 'teach' Mr It_is_the_Light the clarity of the Dark Side and show him how to be shackled, er ...I mean 'embraced' by the deep, dark, cold Abyss within us all.
Look into the Abyss and the Abyss will look into YOU.

Well anyway, here's a nice little clip from me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNnh4S-fgSE

Here's something Mr Light would want you to 'believe' in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQdiNy8kZ5E

You can all fly away into outerspace with Mr Light and his citi-zen living of polluted Pyramids (because nearly every city is a pollution producer). Or you can take my advice and look 'within' the Oceania that you live ...within. ;)

...I might be Down Under, as they say we are on TV.
But I'm also a 'Day Ahead' as I say here on the Net. 8-)

See! I told you he was pretty good with You Tube clips!

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on May 3^rd, 2011 at 4:10pm:

Hmmm? Well I don't really want 'other' followers as I just want to enslave, er...I mean 'teach' Mr It_is_the_Light the clarity of the Dark Side and show him how to be shackled, er ...I mean 'embraced' by the deep, dark, cold Abyss within us all. Look into the Abyss and the Abyss will look into YOU. Well anyway, here's a nice little clip from me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNnh4S-fgSE Here's something Mr Light would want you to 'believe' in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQdiNy8kZ5E You can all fly away into outerspace with Mr Light and his citi-zen living of polluted Pyramids (because nearly every city is a pollution producer). Or you can take my advice and look 'within' the Oceania that you live ...within. ;) ...I might be Down Under, as they say we are on TV. But I'm also a 'Day Ahead' as I say here on the Net. 8-)

Dear One, you are clearly deluded. You cannot possibly compete with the Light. He forgives us unconditionally. He lives in our every breath!

You are veering towards a very dangerous paradigm here, Dear One. You are verging on blasphemy of these loving forces yes. Forgive yourself now or suffer the consequences of thine own making.

Forgive thyself and be bathed in rapturous Light.

Ye have been warned.

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Dear One, you are clearly deluded. You cannot possibly compete with the Light. He forgives us unconditionally. He lives in our every breath! You are veering towards a very dangerous paradigm here, Dear One. You are verging on blasphemy of these loving forces yes. Forgive yourself now or suffer the consequences of thine own making. Forgive thyself and be bathed in rapturous Light. Ye have been warned.

::) No wonder I didn't want to come out and was born a month late - I knew what was already 'out there'.

not so silly after all eh ??

Best words  in this whole lot of stuff?

FORGIVE YOURSELF

namaste
:)

and so it is again, beloved ones

that i ask of the xtian flock..where for art thou?

why were you born with sin..it would appear that none will

stand up and be counted...

why do you eat the body of CHRIST [a satanic ritual]

why do you drink the blood of CHRIST [again,satanism]

so why do these hide from the LIGHT that will surely cleanse

and forgive these unconditionally as it were

and so it is

namaste

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on May 3^rd, 2011 at 9:02pm:

::) No wonder I didn't want to come out and was born a month late - I knew what was already 'out there'.

Yea verily. You are the true Messiah. Beware of false prophets.

Common deities lose their importance in front of Lord Jasignature. The nameless one with the copper pyramids will be forgiven.


Jai Jinendra

http://www.artoflegendindia.com/devotee-composing-hymens-even-presence-scholars-p-5501.html

muso wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 9:27am:

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on May 3rd, 2011 at 9:02pm: ::) No wonder I didn't want to come out and was born a month late - I knew what was already 'out there'. Yea verily. You are the true Messiah. Beware of false prophets. Common deities lose their importance in front of Lord Jasignature. The nameless one with the copper pyramids will be forgiven. Jai Jinendra http://www.artoflegendindia.com/devotee-composing-hymens-even-presence-scholars-p-5501.html

Forgiven? The Light? Are we to worship LJ now?

Master LJ, we bow down before thee, most dear Annointed One. Would you mind, if it is your will, if we still follow the Light - just a little bit?

Perhaps one could be a prophet and the other a messiah. This is just a suggestion, Master. The Light still forgives, after all.

I haven't seen you handing out any forgivenesses lately.

it_is_the_light wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 4:21am:

and so it is again, beloved ones that i ask of the xtian flock..where for art thou? why were you born with sin..it would appear that none will stand up and be counted... why do you eat the body of CHRIST [a satanic ritual] why do you drink the blood of CHRIST [again,satanism] so why do these hide from the LIGHT that will surely cleanse and forgive these unconditionally as it were and so it is namaste

I believe I stood up, was counted and answered your query.
Though I do not entirely agree with that idea, the thought is we are born with sin as our forefathers sinned.
ie, Adam sinned.

As it is, most everyone sins.

There are two types of persons in this world: Sinners and Forgivers.

Which are you?

Forgiven for your ignorance.

I believe I stood up, was counted and answered your query.

____________

with forgiveness brother sprinter,to the quick*

do you just repeat that which has been written

many many 100s of years and edited yes and blind faith is demanded

however

many things we knew from 30- 50 years ago have been proven lies.

like the gulf of tonkin incident which started vietnam war

for instance....

so if you were born with sin brother,

from the heart will you tell me why this is so?

why do you believe this?

is it just because a book says so?

with forgiveness

namaste

these were my answers light.


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Reply #1 - Apr 25th, 2011, 10:51am When we are born we have not sinned. we are flawed thoughiRe: I Was Not Born With Sin Reply #8 - Apr 26th, 2011, 12:00am I have heard another christian say we are all born with sin, I did not like it and still disagree. That baby has not sinned. The consequenses of adam and eves sin will happen to that baby. It'll grow old, get ill at times. make mistakes, it will siin in itself, and it will pass away. That's a part of living on this world. imho, the baby has not sinned. The results of its' ancestors sinning will still occur though. Had adam and eve not sinned, perhaps that baby would never get ill and never die ? It'ld be perfect. Re: I Was Not Born With Sin Reply #10 - Apr 26th, 2011, 12:13am I cold well be wrong here Quote: But his father will die for his own sin, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was wrong among his people. “Yet you ask, ‘Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them. “But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live. Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live? Ezekiel 18: 18 - 23 Quote: The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them. Ezekiel 18:20 Re: I Was Not Born With Sin Reply #16 - Apr 26th, 2011, 2:17pm         My memory was imperfect, as I said with confidance it has nothing to do with zeus. Quote: ...........The etymology of the name Jesus is generally explained as "God's salvation" usually expressed as "Yahweh saves "[32][33][34] "Yahweh is salvation"[35][36] and at times as "Jehovah is salvation".[37] The name Jesus appears to have been in use in Judaea at the time of the birth of Jesus.[37][38] And Philo's reference (Mutatione Nominum item 121) indicates that the etymology of Joshua was known outside Judaea at the time.[39] In the New Testament, in Luke 1:31 an angel tells Mary to name her child Jesus, and in Matthew 1:21 an angel tells Joseph to name the child Jesus. The statement in Matthew 1:21 "you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins" associates salvific attributes to the name Jesus in Christian theology.[40][41] "Christ" (pronounced /ˈkraɪst/) is derived from the Greek Χριστός (Khristós) meaning "the anointed one", a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Māšîaḥ), usually transliterated into English as Messiah.[42][43] In the Septuagint version of the Hebrew Bible (written well over a century before the time of Jesus), the word Christ was used to translate into Greek the Hebrew word Māšîaḥ. ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#Etymology_of_the_name This is where it is interesting. YAhweh is Gods secret name name, knowledge and use of this name implies a personal or covenant realtionship. Putting it all together, this person whom I have a personal relationship with is annointed and will save me. He certainly is with me. Back to top

these were my answers light.

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Reply #1 - Apr 25th, 2011, 10:51am

When we are born we have not sinned.

we are flawed thoughiRe: I Was Not Born With Sin
Reply #8 - Apr 26th, 2011, 12:00am

I have heard another christian say we are all born with sin, I did not like it and still disagree.
That baby has not sinned.

______________

we are flawed?

im interested in your logic here behind your assertions

with forgiveness

further yes these are your answers,you admit you agree with the

title thread

the baby has not sinned...

so you agree yes good logic there

namaste

we are flawed when born.

Our genes are imperfect.
given time we will get ill, toothache, cold, some get cancer, most all die.
if we were perfect, none of that would happen.

Perhaps, that's what some christians mean when they say "we are born into sin"
it's not that the baby itself has sinned.
but that it is a world where sin happens ??
we are meant to be in eden, Adam and eve blew that one.
the results of that are the world we are in now.


Anyway, it's a phrase I am uncomfortable with

Original sin comes from Plato. Read Plato's Cave - a very interesting account of human life/knowledge.

The story of the Fall is a metaphor, not a historical incident. Different faiths have different readings of it.

In one reading, the Tree of Knowledge represents the spinal cord - the serpent represents its energy, often manifested as sexual energy (which is why the Light does not intentionally spill his seed). The fall is the spilling of sexual energy, and the snake is energy being raised up the spine to manifest in enlightenment: kundalini rising. This is a gnostic take on the Genesis story.

We have fallen from Light/pure consciousness to manifest in this world. Our aim is to climb back "up", a long process that takes many lifetimes. Our consciousness has passed through sub atomic forms of life to cells to multi-cellular life forms to mammals and humans. There are higher lives in more subtle worlds, and up and up and up.

But we can go down too. Below matter in this world, there are denser worlds or what are known as hell realms. There are also worlds for the lost, the "realm of hungry ghosts" understood by Buddhists or, perhaps, pergatory to the Catholics. These worlds exist similtaneously, as dimensions, but there are, of course, other planets and life forms in the physical universe too.

The story of Adam and Eve can be seen as this story - the fall of consciousness from the Garden of Eden of pure Light into lower, denser realms of existance. Why do we fall?

Who knows? But this is Original Sin.

we are flawed when born.

Our genes are imperfect.
given time we will get ill, toothache, cold, some get cancer, most all die.
if we were perfect, none of that would happen.

______________

we are not flawed beloved one in truth

i say unto thee

linear time may wilt thee

however

we are born perfect and without sin

beloved ones,i say unto thee with truth

and so very much LOVE

namaste

Who knows? But this is Original Sin.

___________

oxymoron much?

your mastery doth slip

forgiven

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 6:17pm:

we are flawed when born. Our genes are imperfect. given time we will get ill, toothache, cold, some get cancer, most all die. if we were perfect, none of that would happen. ______________ we are not flawed beloved one in truth i say unto thee linear time may wilt thee however we are born perfect and without sin beloved ones,i say unto thee with truth and so very much LOVE namaste

you think a baby born with a hole in its heart is perfect ?
or any number of deformaties.

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it_is_the_light wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 4:21am:

and so it is again, beloved ones that i ask of the xtian flock..where for art thou? why were you born with sin..it would appear that none will stand up and be counted...

From a Christian perspective, they were born with sin seems the opposite side of the old gold coin whose head side says: "Only Jesus saves." For Jesus to be "Lord" they must be sinners, even not worthy.

  If they recognised the divinity in man, or saving oneself - as even the Bible said, "Work out your own salvation," - Jesus must be lowered from "The only one who does not sin."

 I think Christianity's main failure is not to recognise the inherant divinity in man equal to Jesus, thus restricting proper progress.

 Only God is Perfect. But we are also God.

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it_is_the_light wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 4:21am:

why do you eat the body of CHRIST [a satanic ritual] why do you drink the blood of CHRIST [again,satanism]

I'm no Xtian, but now I know why I feel so evil when I eat a hot X bun. [smiley=evil.gif] Mind you, it could be the blood I spread on it
 I'm no vampire as well, so I need the blood of J-High to be immortal.
 
 {I had no idea til now that the buns of Jesus is a clever way for Christians to spread their message - without words. Divinely ingenious}

 And I have 2 six-packs in the freezer now, much like a vampire might store blood in the fridge.
[smiley=smiley_up.gif] [smiley=smiley_up.gif] [smiley=smiley_up.gif]
[smiley=smiley_down.gif] [smiley=smiley_down.gif] [smiley=smiley_down.gif]

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Did ChristXtians invent wine as well?

 I don't even wanna go near beer I drink more. I mean I always thought of it as fermented sewerage. But divine urine? Oh no. That explains everything - why it affects one so. [smiley=beer.gif]

you think a baby born with a hole in its heart is perfect ?
or any number of deformaties.

____________

brother being,

these and such deformed births may be a product of many things.

diet substance abuse and further

these occurances are for spritual growth yes

for the parents and the souls that choses to come and

experience this event/incarnation in linear time.

all is in accordance with the divine plan

all acts are for spritual growth beloved one in truth

and so it is

namaste

From a Christian perspective, they were born with sin seems the opposite side of the old gold coin whose head side says: "Only Jesus saves." For Jesus to be "Lord" they must be sinners, even not worthy.

_____________

this is more mistruth from the catholic satanic death cult

infested with peadophiles satanists freemasons and jesuits to name

a few...

these are mistruths beloveds for we all are brothers and sisters in truth

i say unto thee

that one you know as JESHUA the CHRIST BUDDHA are your brothers

yes

we are not born with sin..this is a simple lie to enslave humanity

through the winter of your discontent yes an experience

and so it is the age of pisces is finishing the winter

and the galactic spring doth cometh in the universal sense unto thee

through the age of aquarius 2012 the mayan calander and many

have alluded to this fact

old belief systems crash and dematerialize as the LIGHT does

continue to manifest incrimentally from deep within your being

at this very moment

you are sacred and divine,honoured and so very much LOVED

for your contributions and perseverances

keep on keeping on,hang in there and dont drop your bundle just yet

beloved one

namaste

-;)

and further

why do you xtians eat the body of CHRIST [a satanic ritual]?

why do you drink the blood of CHRIST [again,satanism]?

so why do these hide from the LIGHT that will surely cleanse

and forgive you unconditionally as it were

why continue to recite satanic verses when you know it is so?

and so it is

namaste

SON, it was apparantly Jesus himself who said, in the last supper... this bread is my body, eat it. Did he say that with wine = his blood?

IT'S DIVINE.

CHRIST!

it_is_the_light wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 3:26am:

you think a baby born with a hole in its heart is perfect ? or any number of deformaties. ____________ brother being, these and such deformed births may be a product of many things. diet substance abuse and further these occurances are for spritual growth yes for the parents and the souls that choses to come and experience this event/incarnation in linear time. all is in accordance with the divine plan all acts are for spritual growth beloved one in truth and so it is namaste

i'll take that answer to mean : - "no, now you say it, a baby born with a hole in it's heart is quite flawed."

it_is_the_light wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 6:23pm:

Who knows? But this is Original Sin. ___________ oxymoron much? your mastery doth slip forgiven namaste

Why, Master? I summarised what all your posts say - with the exception that our "fall" is an act of freewill. Do you read them?

Forgiven.

SON, it was apparantly Jesus himself who said, in the last supper... this bread is my body, eat it. Did he say that with wine = his blood?

IT'S DIVINE.

CHRIST!

________

been reading fairytales?

forgiven..

namaste

'll take that answer to mean : - "no, now you say it, a baby born with a hole in it's heart is quite flawed."

____________

you may take it how you like

individual interpretation yes

with forgiveness for confusions..

namaste

Why, Master? I summarised what all your posts say - with the exception that our "fall" is an act of freewill. Do you read them?

Forgiven.

_________

dont back chat grasshopper

-:)

forgiven

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 9:27am:

it_is_the_light wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 3:26am: you think a baby born with a hole in its heart is perfect ? or any number of deformaties. ____________ brother being, these and such deformed births may be a product of many things. diet substance abuse and further these occurances are for spritual growth yes for the parents and the souls that choses to come and experience this event/incarnation in linear time. all is in accordance with the divine plan all acts are for spritual growth beloved one in truth and so it is namaste i'll take that answer to mean : - "no, now you say it, a baby born with a hole in it's heart is quite flawed."

if something needs spiritual growth, or is the subject of dietry abuse - it is not perfect.

it_is_the_light wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 5:37pm:

Why, Master? I summarised what all your posts say - with the exception that our "fall" is an act of freewill. Do you read them? Forgiven. _________ dont back chat grasshopper -:) forgiven

Forgiven.

if something needs spiritual growth, or is the subject of dietry abuse - it is not perfect.

_____________

i decend from a divine and sacred geometrical construct

of pure CHRISTED LIGHT to say unto thee

beloved ones,

id sprinter is displaying 3rd dimensional thinking to this paradigm

with forgiveness and with respect for linear thinking

for this is what we came to overcome,is it not?

this is so...

for it is the case when you are in the higher dimensions

and higher yet still,this is harmonics until you are with the creator

PRIME CREATOR creator of all things primary

no linear time this is eternal

we do as souls,individual aspect,drop down to the lower dimensions

to experience duality

cut of from the divine and eternal

everything you have experienced beloved ones is not to be judged

is not to be ridiculed or attacked...no,

this is spiritual growth and to choose many different aspects

in fact all aspects of this lower dimensional playground as it were

again 365 days for the earth to traverse our sun

and our sun 26,000 years to traverse the central sun alcione

with solstaces and exinoxes to experience with cyclical seasons

the age of pisces is in completion ...winter,

and the age of aquarius....spring,comes to life and rebirths mother

earth into her natural state of beingness

those that do not conform to these changes will disembody yes

and go unto that which they have invoked,this is the truth in fact

as i say unto thee dear and sacred beings before me now

reading these humble words of LOVE and LIGHT

continue to do that which brings you joy

and persue your highest excitement in every now moment

i LOVE and HONOUR you my brother and sister beings here

i never left thee

namaste

No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path.

Buddha

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on May 8^th, 2011 at 4:36am:

we do as souls,individual aspect,drop down to the lower dimensions to experience duality cut of from the divine and eternal

There you go. The Fall. Original sin.

It is what it is.

And so it is.

Forgiven.

There you go. The Fall. Original sin.

___________

incorrect

however you may interpret this how you do,freewill you see?

yet in truth beloved master karnal..this is the experience beloved one

so as not to confuse reality with creative language then thought

and translate to an invalid reality

there is no sin there to incarnate in the lower dimensions ..

just the experience

with forgiveness for confusions grasshopper

-:)

namaste

It depends on how you interperpret sin. All forms of spirituality believe in a form of sin - including you. After all, you forgive us constantly.

I see sin as ignorance - ignorance of our true greatness, a belief that we ARE this body, this personality.

What we need, I believe, is an ontology that brings things together, not pulls them apart. In Buddhism, this is called divisive speech, and comes from ignorance (or sin).

Forgiven.

i would suggest beloved one

to stick to the topic as it were,

i was not born with sin..

this is a mistruth and falsehood

with forgiveness unto ignorances and procrastinations

toward knowledge and the persuit of truth

or not

this does not effect unto me dear ones

and so it is

namaste

Oh, I see. The topic is YOUR opinion of sin. Please forgive me.

Forgiven!

light -
Quote:

........i was not born with sin................

yes you are.
you are imperfect, that is the result of sin.

Oh, I see. The topic is YOUR opinion of sin. Please forgive me.

__________

my educated opinion within knowledge wisdom

and concrete science yes

this is my reality..

in your definition am i supposed

to interpret anothers' reality?

being the master you are....,

surely not

with forgiveness

namaste

-:)

.......i was not born with sin................


yes you are.
you are imperfect, that is the result of sin.

__________

your creative interpretations are not bound unto me beloved

only you and your distorted belief system

with forgiveness yes

does this comfort you?

namaste

the fact remains

i was not born with sin..

do not be too cut up about this fact,

[ jealous?.......................so be it! ]

with forgiveness

namaste

Master - is it only the belief system of others that are distorted?

I mean, can our OWN beliefs be distorted?

Can YOUR beliefs be distorted?

Possible?

my educated opinion within knowledge wisdom

and concrete science yes

this is my reality..

is this discomforting unto you beloved one?

im interested

namaste

Discomforting? I'm asking if you think you can ever be wrong.

Forgiven for misinterpretations, distortions, etc.

im hearing doubt and confusion from you

this is entirely correct second guestimates included

this does not effect unto me and i am that i am that beloved one

i am that not limited to 3rd dimensional thinking and context

i am that i am and exist beyond your dimension in the 3rd attatched

unto linear time and physical space,if you follow..maybe not

maybe eyes yet do not see? do you know?

i am not limited to your confusions beloved master karnal

are these truths and fact discomforting?

namaste

as always with forgiveness master karnal

you seek instantanious gratification and clarifications

so be it..

this does not effect unto me beloved,for i am that i am not in want..

do you see?

a jug fills drop by drop,dear one..

it is not the destination yet the journey that is important in context

of the souls growth..

are you following?

im interested..

namaste

further,

do these understandings upon your confusions constitute and

invite a definition of sin?

im interested in your opinions

with forgiveness for confusionalities and misinterpretationalistical

belief sytematicals one may or may not be comforting

namaste

Thank you for affirming my confusions, Master. I am confused and discomforted no more.

You are not limited to time or space, and hence know more than the rest of us.

This truth is comforting, Master. You can clearly not be confused about anything!

yes ok cool

anytime you wish or desire to test wit you are always most welcome

and will be greeted with grace wisdom and forgiveness

namaste beloved one

-:)

it_is_the_light wrote on May 10^th, 2011 at 2:00pm:

yes ok cool anytime you wish or desire to test wit you are always most welcome and will be greeted with grace wisdom and forgiveness namaste beloved one -:)

Namaste, Master. You are One.

I am most comforted. You are in our every breath!

Here's a small test of wits.

 Karnal, why do you insist this character LIGHT is a master - besides the heightened frequency it says so in various ways?
 In a way you were right when you said, "A master never speaks what it knows." I mean it never says it is a Master. It's like the People's Democratic Republic of China.

 This LightMan's main power seems to be I am this, I am that, I am the scientific, bla bla....
 Being a Master is much much more than the desire for Light or basking in the LIGHT.

 Do you discern? And him calling you a Master  - or you too calling yourself one - is a farce of The Force, to my undeveloped eyes that are not near as wise as this most Ancient Profession {Masterdom}.

 You sometimes seem a dog following its MASTER, even while you  question. As if never listening to your wits which are above all.

[smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=engel017.gif]

Consider this "A Letter to the LightBearers."i

And just after, I read Consciousness  - or UnConsciousness - page 24 http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1283639249/345
where Karnal had more boldness than I can dream, of stuff I never saw before, which I was dying he would say so many times before. Bravo. What a miracle.
Still can't belive what I read, in such a timely connection..  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Perhaps proof that God moves in miraculous clear ways. ;D

Being a Master is much much more than the desire for Light or basking in the LIGHT.

____________

any judgement upon the definition of a 'master'

from a non master is quite foolish and ignorant to say the least

the very least with forgiveness

namaste

further

are you allergic to kryptonite?

i have some in my pyramid so be with care

auum*

-:)

Superman1 wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 8:49pm:

Here's a small test of wits.  Karnal, why do you insist this character LIGHT is a master - besides the heightened frequency it says so in various ways?

Excellent question, Superman. The master exists for the follower - not the master. We all need a master. We all gotta serve someone.

The Light is a good master because he forgives us constantly, and unconditionally. It is good to have a master who forgives.

Still, watch what you ask, because the Light does not take kindly to questions. The Light has an entirely uncritical mindset, which is perhaps why he forgives unconditionally.

God knows he forgives SaLuSa for saying absolutely nothing each and every time he takes posession of Mike Quinsey.

I mean, if you lived in the 5th dimension and went to all the trouble to come down to the mortals and speak your mind, you think you'd have something interesting to say.

Thank you, SaLuSa.

further

i was not born with sin even..

concrete science and fact

if any have the care to produce evidence unto the contrary

you would be most welcome..

however

mind your reflexes unto the critical observations

displayed and directed unto confusions from precious princess

and fairygodmother types..

forgiven

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 10:18pm:

Being a Master is much much more than the desire for Light or basking in the LIGHT. ____________ any judgement upon the definition of a 'master' from a non master is quite foolish and ignorant to say the least -:)

Very, very true. It is best to speak from the position of follower.

Me allergic to kryptonite :question Haha. No I'm just allergic to Earthite. :(

it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 4^th, 2011 at 10:18pm:

any judgement upon the definition of a 'master' from a non master is quite foolish and ignorant to say the least

 *Cough* Well that's a sin right there.
 All discernment is within each if us.
 That's like saying I can't define what a mechanic is because I haven't learned to be one, or even say the things a specific genius might do.

 Next time, please try unchecking the box: Check this if you'll be adding code (or don't like smilies).  ::)

All discernment is within each if us.
That's like saying I can't define what a mechanic is because I haven't learned to be one, or even say the things a specific genius might do.

_____________

this is your freewill right to interpret reality how you may

however

this would be filled with flaw,irrelevent unto true reality

and the factual nature of things,

ergo ignorant and foolish without judgement and or cough unto you

divine brother being whom is LOVED and HONOURED with forgiveness

for confusions and or lack

namaste

*Cough* Well that's a sin right there.

__________

your perspective yes

that is not my reality.

are you aware of this?

does this comfort you?

namaste

-:)