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Title: Bin Laden Dead? Post by perceptions_now on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:01pm
Osama bin Laden dead: reports
US President Barack Obama is about to make a surprise televised address to Americans amid reports that Osama bin Laden is dead. The President will address the nation at 10.30 pm (12.30 AEST on Monday), the White House says. The New York Times, CBS and other media outlets in the nation are stating that White House sources have revealed that bin Laden has been killed and the US has his body. Link - http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/osama-bin-laden-dead-reports-20110502-1e44h.html |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by skippy. on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:07pm
They must be caught up a bit then because you made that post after 1 pm AEST.
Will this be the end of the war on terror?????????????????????/ |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by nichy on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:14pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13256676
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/01/usama-bin-laden-dead-say-sources/ http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/world/world/general/osama-bin-laden-dead-reports/2149957.aspx |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by cods on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:18pm
end of the war... I have a feeling its just the begining..
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by nichy on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:20pm
http://apps.facebook.com/whitehouselive/
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:24pm
How convenient. Obama trumped Trump lol
What do you do when you are the president of America and you are losing popularity at the speed of light? You come up with America's number 1 enemy.....dead lol |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by perceptions_now on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:24pm skippy. wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:07pm:
Yes, that could be of interest! If everything is, as reported, one would expect Obama to be there on time! The end? No, I suspect not! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:27pm
Pfffft. He's not dead.
He's still selling kebabs in Hurstville. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by mozzaok on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:27pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:24pm:
lol, you live in a funny world pansi. I suppose you believe they have had him sitting in a freezer somewhere just waiting for the right press opportunity to trot his thawed remains out. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by nichy on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:28pm
LADEN DEAD?
Updated 18 minutes ago Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in 1998. (Reuters) There are media reports that the United States has the body of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. President Barack Obama is schedule to issue a statement at a press conference shortly. Al Jazeera is reporting that Afghan officials have confirmed bin Laden is dead and that US authorities have his body. Bin Laden was reportedly killed in a mansion outside Pakistan's capital Islamabad last week. Reports say he was killed along with 20 other people in a drone strike. The 54-year-old Saudi has been the most wanted man in the world since 2001 when he helped orchestrate the September 11 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington. It is a major accomplishment for Mr Obama and his national security team, fulfilling the goal once voiced by Mr Obama's predecessor, George W Bush, to bring bin Laden to justice. US soldiers and Afghan militia forces launched a large-scale assault on the Tora Bora mountains after the attacks in pursuit of bin Laden. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/02/3205331.htm?section=justin |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by freediver on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:29pm
good news
Down with Osama, up with Obama! Did they do a DNA test or something? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by cods on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:30pm nichy wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:28pm:
killed a week ago???????? and hes only 54.... cant be him he looked about 110 and thats on a good day |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:31pm
The time was right.....oh! I mean the timing. It took the president 4 years to show his birth certificate.....and Osama turns up dead two days later.
Apparently a mansion was blown up a week ago in Pakistan and 21 people died in total, including Bin laden.......are the whole Pakistani media all dead? Why was this not reported at the time......one whole week......7 days to hit the news....in this age of instant media..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by perceptions_now on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:31pm
The idiot box (TV) is just saying Obama will on in a couple of minutes.
The repoerter also said, Obama had been killed 2 days ago & had been officially identified by DNA. Well kept secret, if so! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:33pm
Apparently Obama will be holding up the head of Osama Bin Laden and waving it about during the speech.
I've got my popcorn ready. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by mozzaok on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:35pm
You can watch it here if you do not want to sit in front of the TV
http://www.whitehouse.gov/live |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by perceptions_now on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:36pm
White House direct feed, on NOW -
http://apps.facebook.com/whitehouselive/ |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:37pm Quote:
Actually it was. I heard it on both the BBC and the ABC last Tuesday or Wednesday morning. At that stage they were saying it was unconfirmed reports, but I don't know why the story suddenly went dead an hour or two later. Hence my post in the other thread before these Osama dead threads. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:38pm mozzaok wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:27pm:
If it happened a week ago, we would have heard about it a week ago. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by nichy on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:39pm
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/us-president-barack-obama-announces-osama-bin-laden-is-dead/story-e6freuy9-1226048340655
This link has a Live broadcast via SKY NEWS of Obama announcing the death of Bin Laden. It seems as though it is true. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Guildford on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:41pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:31pm:
Even now there is no mention of it on 6 Pakistan online newspapers I've visited. http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/pakistan.htm |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by perceptions_now on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:42pm perceptions_now wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:31pm:
Maybe not, Obama has just said that Bin Laden was killed TODAY! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:43pm Life_goes_on wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:33pm:
And Koshie's having it on Sunrise tomorrow.....live on Sunrise.....not the head...Koshie |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by skippy. on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:48pm perceptions_now wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:42pm:
yes just heard that too, why are some outlets reporting it happened last week. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by cods on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:49pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:31pm:
pansi the President himself has just said he died last night our time.. it was aCIA hit apparrantly..and not a bomb attack at all.Obama says he gave the word last week to go into this compound and get him dead or alive.. and hes dead and the Americans have the body. they have been following him since Aug last year it was just a matter of the right time.. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by mozzaok on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:49pm
good speech from Obama, and he did say the action took place today, but even with someone like Obama, the whole idea of sanctioned death squads going around delivering summary justice is still an issue I struggle to fully reconcile.
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:51pm Quote:
Weird. Because I was driving to work last week and half caught a report that they believed Bin Laden had been killed. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by skippy. on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:53pm mozzaok wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:49pm:
This will give Obama a lift, mixed with his birth certificate a couple of days ago, Obama has done what Bush could not. The tea party morons are looking pretty stupid today. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by mozzaok on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:56pm skippy. wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:53pm:
Tea Party morons look stupid every day, I mean just look at their poor cousins pushing the extreme right agenda in here. lol What a bunch of Maroons! as Bugs would say. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Cliff Richard on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:56pm
guys
obama didnt do anything this probably would have occured regardless who was in office at the time Quote:
mate if you really think the tea party is an "extreme right" party you need to get your head examined theyre just a protest groupt hat was co-opted by neoconservatives that appears to oppose.. big government |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:58pm
They got im. ;D
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by gizmo_2655 on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:59pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:43pm:
LOL Pansi, that's not really an incentive to watch Sunrise though..Koshie I mean... :P |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:01pm Quote:
True. But it's only the person in office who is going to get the credit. Whether or not he deserves any credit is another thing, but the general public are a funny bunch - easily pleased and very gullible. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:03pm
My 1/6th scale Osama Bin Laden figure (mint in box) just went up in value.
Yay! Yay for me! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:04pm
I'm waiting for some idiots to say what a shame this is.....
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Equitist on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:06pm It saddens me that anyone should be claiming 'credit' for an assassination - and that a bunch of people should be competing for said credit... I'm not even sure that Bin Laden ever existed - and if he did exist, that he was alive until the past day or so... |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by gizmo_2655 on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:06pm Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:58pm:
It was really only a matter of time though Bobby.. They should have sent out the hit squads 10 years ago.... |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Belgarion on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:07pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:04pm:
Abu is probably in mourning..... |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by HC on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:09pm
I want to see the rotting corpse..
Anyone else checked the Mussie forum- they're all' may he rest in peace' etc...lol.. erm...don't think that's gonna happen! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:11pm Quote:
They did. The only difference being that this one succeeded where as the others failed. US paramilitary hit squads aren't like those portrayed in Arnie, Bruce or Mr Seagal movies. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by gizmo_2655 on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:17pm Equitist wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:06pm:
Why not..He 'claimed' credit for the deaths of nearly 3000 civilians.. They executed John Gacy for 1/10th of 1% of that many... If you want to dance, you have to pay the piper....eventually. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:18pm Equitist wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:06pm:
hear hear....and if he was alive how very convenient that he should die right at this very time, American economy crashing, people sick of all the war debt, trouble all over the middle east, Obama becoming increasingly unpopular at the end of his term, and now.....it was all worth it! nah! it will take more than the president saying 'he's dead' to convince me. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Lisa on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:19pm Belgarion wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:07pm:
Ahhh so that is why he is MIA. |
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Title: Osama Bin Laden Has Been Killed Post by Prevailing on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:03pm
The Whitehouse has announced Osama Bin Laden has been killed in hand to hand fighting in a joint US Pakistan operation in Pakistan. 8-)
ABC 24 Now for comment and analysis. Hundreds gathering - cheering outside the Whitehouse George W Bush: Osama Bin Ladens Death is a momentous achievement. |
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Title: Re: Osama Bin Laden Has Been Killed Post by cods on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:15pm
we know check out thinking globally
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by gizmo_2655 on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:26pm Life_goes_on wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:11pm:
Yeah, but nothing else in those movies are accurate either..They should have hired Mossad (or a 'private contractor') from the start, but George W wanted the army to do it.. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:26pm
some comments from other sites:
BREAKING NEWS: Donald Trump demands Osama Bin Laden's death certificate. On May 1st, 1945, Hitler was confirmed dead, May 1st, 2011 Bin Laden confirmed dead. The announcement of Osama Bin Laden's death by Barack Obama comes eight years to the day after Bush's mission accomplished speech. I think sum white people are mad Osama Bin Laden was killed while obama was presidents R.I.P Osama Bin Laden - World Hide And Go Seek Champion (2001 - 2011) |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:30pm Quote:
I met Hitler in 1975 at an Oktoberfest in Newcastle, NSW. Funny bloke. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by gizmo_2655 on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:38pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:26pm:
Yeah, sort of a "Where's Wally(Osama) NOW??" thing, wasn't it?? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by cods on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:39pm Life_goes_on wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:01pm:
its the after effects that we will see who takes credit for this.. I dont think anyone is celebrating...even the crowd outside the Whitehouse is subdude. well it is late at night there.. but I will be surprised if there is a lot of jubilation..Obama was quick to say he was not fighting Islam..just terrorism.. fingers crossed its the begining of the end. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Verge on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:46pm
Wasnt there a wikileaks not long ago that said they wanted Bin Laden alive since they had a nuclear bomb planted in Europe in case he was ever killed by Allied Forces?
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:50pm
what a joke this administration is,
this only proves obama aka barry soetorro is a blackmailed dupe and CIA asset forgive him namaste |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:51pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsIBEPZSpWc
World news-Osama bin Laden is DEAD, Obama says 5/1/2011 _______________________ this clown and his agenda speaks for him/itself check out the facts here and shapeshifting attributes of this individual all is about to be crystal clear soon enough,beloveds namaste -:) |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:52pm
some more comments.....lol
Ugh omg everyone stfu osama died like 5 times already its not a big deal Osama built a million dollar mansion about 8x larger than other houses in the city & nobody knocked on the door to see who moved in? Obama released his birth certificate, roasted trump last night & announced they killed Osama tonight. Timing is too perfect Headline article on Fox News says Osama Bin Laden was killed in a drone attack...when our President stated ground troops SHOT him (conflicting report) now that Osama is gone, does this mean they'll lower gas prices? I'm cool with Osama's death being a PR stunt to win Obama's re-election. To celebrate the assassination of Osama bin laden by US forces, I'm watching monster trucks. Beloved character actor Osama bin Laden, star of TV's "Fox News", dies age 54 ( what now Fox?....Gaddafi) CBS NEWS just said Obama instead of Osama 4 the 3rd time 2nite(everyone's saying it lol) so i didnt see the end of celebrity apprentice because they got Osama. What was the outcome? If Osama dead who going to get his money? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:55pm
obama aka barry soetorro says they located osama in a compound in
afghanistan abadabad last week i was sure he was at the 7/11 in boise idaho who knew? ok,cool barry soetorro aka obama glad your on the case lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! namaste |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:57pm
If Osama dead who going to get his money?
_____________ barry soetorro aka obama says the US has taken custody of osama bin ladens body wonder if it will be a closed casket viewing? ok cool barry aka obama namaste |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:58pm
He'll be back to release another vid.
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by longweekend58 on May 2nd, 2011 at 3:01pm mozzaok wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:49pm:
i do too but i must admit I will save my outrage for a different target. Osama has deserved it for along time. sympathy level zero. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by longweekend58 on May 2nd, 2011 at 3:05pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:18pm:
thats because you are an idiot's idiot. You have even surpassed vegy in the utter stupidity stakes. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by gizmo_2655 on May 2nd, 2011 at 3:05pm it_is_the_light wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:51pm:
Yeah wharfy, but you ALSO think that Alien spaceships were going to appear 6 months ago, 12 months ago, and 18 months ago...and 'save' the world....they DIDN'T though...so your credibilty is pretty much 'shot'.. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by longweekend58 on May 2nd, 2011 at 3:07pm gizmo_2655 wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 3:05pm:
nobody believes a single word wharfy says. arguably the boards biggest whack-job. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by BigOl64 on May 2nd, 2011 at 3:11pm longweekend58 wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 3:07pm:
Don't forget our mate peado bill and his many personalities / incarnations. ;D It's like a little sanity check everyday, the minute you start to agree or even understand bill and warfy, you trot yourself off to the psych for a check up. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Prevailing on May 2nd, 2011 at 3:13pm
This also brings to an end the era of corporatism, "faith based welfare initiatives" and middle class welfare. Obamas approval numbers are going through the roof - the elites will never get in power again and he now has the full mandate to implement universal healthcare and liquidate the middle class. 8-)
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by perceptions_now on May 2nd, 2011 at 3:26pm it_is_the_light wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 2:55pm:
Actually, according to Obama, Bin Laden was shot "after" a fire-fight, at Abbotabad in Pakistan. Which raises a couple of questions - 1) Was Bin Laden killed during the fire-fight or dealt with after? 2) Was he really in Abbot a bad and if so, I can already see a few puns, at the expense of our friendly Liberal Party & their "leader"? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by nichy on May 2nd, 2011 at 3:29pm
Julia Gillard will be addressing the media re Bin laden at 4.00 pm AET. Just announced on ABC 24.
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by perceptions_now on May 2nd, 2011 at 3:31pm longweekend58 wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 3:07pm:
Is that a new competition? If so, I have a few nominations, starting with Longweakend & Maqqa. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Prevailing on May 2nd, 2011 at 3:55pm
Good now we can end all middle class military missionary interventionism and middle class welfare....
Lets all sing together The Middle Class is falling down, falling down, falling down The Middle class is falling down - my fair lady.... You are weak, morally bankrupt, financially bankrupt and you are through. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Verge on May 2nd, 2011 at 4:41pm Prevailing wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 3:55pm:
What the hell? How is this a middle class war? What do the middle class in Oz even have to do with it? Why do you hate people who are doing okay for themselves? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by gizmo_2655 on May 2nd, 2011 at 4:46pm perceptions_now wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 3:26pm:
Seriously, apart from the 'opposition leader' jokes, does it really matter if 'Osama' was killed in 'combat' or executed afterwards??. Either way, he's DEAD...THAT is what matters... |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Verge on May 2nd, 2011 at 4:47pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8A2unABbtA&feature=player_embedded
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Prevailing on May 2nd, 2011 at 5:03pm Verge wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 4:41pm:
Doing well on a massive tax grab stolen off the workers and the most desperate in our society. They make money headhunting the welfare of the poor for their own financial benefit. They are useless, unproductive and vile. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Verge on May 2nd, 2011 at 5:09pm Prevailing wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 5:03pm:
What freaking drugs are you one for christs sakes? What massive tax grab, they are coughing up between 40% to 45% of their salaries in tax once over the $85k mark. Since when cant a worker be middle class? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by longweekend58 on May 2nd, 2011 at 5:31pm Verge wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 5:09pm:
the problem for Prevailing is that he cant accet that his hero Bin Laden is dead. so he starts a welfare comment instead. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Karnal on May 2nd, 2011 at 5:36pm
No one here has mentioned all the good Bin Laden has done for his own people. He did make the trains run on time, after all.
The planes - well, that's a separate issue. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 2nd, 2011 at 6:11pm
10 years, 2 wars, 919,967 deaths, and $1,188,263,000,000, to kill one person...?
Justice is done! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Sprintcyclist on May 2nd, 2011 at 6:15pm magnificant news. What a great weekend. A royal wedding and another islamic killed |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by longweekend58 on May 2nd, 2011 at 6:29pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 6:11pm:
I can see why you are limited to working as a checkout chick. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by longweekend58 on May 2nd, 2011 at 6:30pm Sprintcyclist wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 6:15pm:
Yep! always a good day when a terrorist goes to discover his 72 virgins are in fact 72 male demons in a hell he wasnt expecting. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Baronvonrort on May 2nd, 2011 at 6:32pm |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 2nd, 2011 at 6:41pm longweekend58 wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 6:29pm:
The big numbers are a bit daunting for you everyweekendislongwhenyoudon'twork longweekend |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Belgarion on May 2nd, 2011 at 6:42pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 6:11pm:
Yes it is. Its not just sbout Bin Laden. He is only a figurehead and his death will not affect the operational capabilities of Al Qaeda in any way. What this is is both a morale booster for the Americans and a powerful symbol of the determination of the US to punish those responsible for terrrorism no matter how long it takes or how well they hide. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by nairbe on May 2nd, 2011 at 6:45pm longweekend58 wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 6:29pm:
Why do you say that? Do you actually think that this will make a real change to the world or just a percieved change that will allow us to now withdraw from Afganistan and claim a morale victory. I am wondering who will become enemy no:1 now? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by dsmithy70 on May 2nd, 2011 at 6:51pm
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
buried at sea within 24 hours. The conspricy continues. :o |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by HC on May 2nd, 2011 at 6:57pm The dead pic of him is the worst fake I've seen...it's almost as if they are taking the piss. The eyes are in different focus than the rest of the face., as well as being misaligned. Nice try U.S, how about showing the real body...oh wait, you buried it at sea...? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Luke Fowler on May 2nd, 2011 at 7:50pm longweekend58 wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 3:01pm:
Agreed. However, I think they were told dead or alive. These things are always going to be ugly but I am of the view that this is less worrying than Abu Gharib and the like. Further ... it couldn't have happened to nicer guy. I am also going to be very interested to see how Fox and the Republicans spin this. They must be royally pissed that Obama got public enemy number one. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Luke Fowler on May 2nd, 2011 at 7:54pm
Also. Are the "birthers" going to call themselves "deathers" now?
Maybe they should use a more appropriate name like "after-birthers". |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 2nd, 2011 at 8:03pm Luke Fowler wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 7:50pm:
This is how Fox spin it http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkjw1apbJl1qay9owo1_500.jpg Check that name again......who's dead? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by perceptions_now on May 2nd, 2011 at 8:09pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 8:03pm:
Just the slip of the pen? Surely? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 2nd, 2011 at 8:13pm
Nice work Obama.
Good to have some justice.  Osama_dead_001.jpg (32 KB | 53
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 2nd, 2011 at 8:20pm
That dead picture of him is a fake, it wasn't released by the White House. America will never have a dead picture of him. His body has already been disposed of at sea, before the next prayer session as per Islamic religious law.....that's what they said, I'm sure?
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 2nd, 2011 at 8:24pm
Unlikely they will release a picture of his corpse. There's no positive reason to apart from trying to appease conspiracy nutters - conspiracy nutters who would declare any picture or corpse to be fake anyway.
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by longweekend58 on May 2nd, 2011 at 8:35pm Life_goes_on wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 8:24pm:
as they already are... |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 2nd, 2011 at 8:39pm
I think the picture is real but I don't understand why they
buried him at sea - surely they would have taken him back to the USA for confiirmation that it was him? Osama_dead.jpg (32 KB | 65
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Maeve on May 2nd, 2011 at 8:42pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMrgY4eQkO4&feature=player_detailpage#t=5s
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 2nd, 2011 at 8:55pm Quote:
Considering that US officials have said that the picture is a fake, I very much doubt that it's real. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:02pm Life_goes_on wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 8:55pm:
The White House have made an official announcement....the picture is FAKE, but channel 9 put it up anyway....propaganda machine, no wonder they do the logies. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by dsmithy70 on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:06pm
I found the pictures of Arabs dancing in the streets on 9/11 disgusting.
I find the pictures of Americans dancing in the streets just as disgusting. Afterall aren't we/they supposedly morally and culturally more superior? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:11pm Dsmithy70 wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:06pm:
Yes, but the difference is that they're on our side. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Equitist on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:11pm Encore: - Dsmithy70 wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:06pm:
Ditto! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by muso on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:12pm Dsmithy70 wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:06pm:
I agree. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by muso on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:15pm Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 8:39pm:
I think this picture is real too: (warning - disgusting ) |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by cods on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:20pm
there are just too many different stories coming out about this.. from he was killed a week ago.he was killed yesterday USA time
.to how he was killed..some say a bomb, others say Navy Seals went into his compound and shot him. even the president said that. now its fake pictures.. if they have sent his body to hell.. then we will never know will we..seems strange all round...surely we can believe the pres of the USA????? I am also wondering who will pick up the crown!!!!.. I would imagine they have as many wannabees as we have..eyeing the top job.. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:22pm Life_goes_on wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 8:55pm:
Link please? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:30pm Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:22pm:
I heard it on the radio earlier tonight, but a quick google found this.... "An image apparently showing a dead Osama bin Laden broadcast on Pakistani television and picked up by British newspaper websites is a fake." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:35pm Life_goes_on wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:30pm:
Thanks - as it was on channel 9 I thought it was real but it shows how easy it is for the media to be fooled - & it's viewers! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:42pm Quote:
Newspapers and TV stations used to employ fact checkers. A friend of mine was one during the 90's. That job has gone the way of the steam engineer, the blacksmith and the milkman. These days they rely on that fine purveyor of complete bullsh!t - the Internet. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:44pm Life_goes_on wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:42pm:
Still begs the question: Why aren't there any photos? Surely the US team had a camera? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:49pm
Why release a photo?
Conspiracy nutters are going to say it's fake anyway. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Equitist on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:51pm Yer, but it's kinda ironic...considering that the fake composite pic shows just how easy it would be for the US Govt to produce a fake pic... That said, a significant proportion of Yanks still won't accept Obama's certified Birth Certificate - but the bulk of Americans will probably accept news of Osama's assassination at face value... Go figure, eh!? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:58pm Quote:
It's much easier to accept that a guy you hate has been killed than it is to accept a belief you hold about a guy you hate is false. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 2nd, 2011 at 10:09pm
Come on guys - the Yanks must have plenty of photos & video.
They are just not releasing it for some reason. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by dsmithy70 on May 2nd, 2011 at 10:11pm
1/5/45 - Hilter confirmed dead
1/5/11 - Osama confirmed dead :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 2nd, 2011 at 10:15pm Dsmithy70 wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 10:11pm:
Hitler died 30 April 1945. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by dsmithy70 on May 2nd, 2011 at 10:24pm Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 10:15pm:
Stop doubting perfectly good conspricy starters ;D |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Maqqa on May 2nd, 2011 at 10:43pm
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 2nd, 2011 at 11:18pm
Just watched Lateline.
We can expect video & stills in the next few days. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by thelastnail on May 2nd, 2011 at 11:23pm Life_goes_on wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:49pm:
yeh like the weapons of mass deception in Iraq they couldn't find but were certain that existed :) LOL All bullshit to justify wasting money on the war on error :( You can see how it's going to play out ;) Some muslim will supposedly get upset about this and let off a few bombs and kill some unsuspecting punters. The US Government will blame it on Iran and will have to confiscate their weapons of mass deception as well :D LOL |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bridonta on May 2nd, 2011 at 11:26pm
would you believe in WMD ?? time to go home now .. the ME is in a big mess at the moment.. So no need to wast any more money but all in the hands of people .. the State of the US economy is no better .. so let wasting no more .. and head somewhere more more interesting like China sea .. mission accomplished ..
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Deathridesahorse on May 3rd, 2011 at 12:06am
Is Nuclear Power in Australia dead?????????
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 3rd, 2011 at 12:09am
People should read the story of Schrödinger's cat.
It is both alive & dead at the same time! That's what Osama is until there is proof. Where's the pics? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Jasignature on May 3rd, 2011 at 12:10am
Yes, and who pinned it on the button first. ;)?
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by cods on May 3rd, 2011 at 8:41am Bobby. wrote on May 3rd, 2011 at 12:09am:
wait for the video bb..it will be released very soon at your nearest outlet. I mean for years now I have been seeing Elvis in the strangest places. look try praying really hard and he will appear I swear. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 3rd, 2011 at 8:50am cods wrote on May 3rd, 2011 at 8:41am:
What's the bet that there will be a heroic movie made of this operation? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Verge on May 3rd, 2011 at 10:07am Maeve wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 8:42pm:
She really lacks the class of Obama in dealing with this. She is virtually rejoicing with venom in her voice. Kinda sad. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Verge on May 3rd, 2011 at 10:08am Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 8:39pm:
Your real photo I seen on another forum about three years ago. They claimed to bury him at sea in line with Islamic Law. That sounds iffy to me. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by dsmithy70 on May 3rd, 2011 at 10:25am Verge wrote on May 3rd, 2011 at 10:08am:
Things seemed to be getting crossed here. Islamic law says if a Muslim dies at sea they have to be buried(re thrown overboard) before the next praying session. I believe when a Muslim dies on land they have 3 days to be buried within a certain radius of where death occurred. The USA chose to bury him at sea so there would be no rallying shrine on land for his followers. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Verge on May 3rd, 2011 at 10:32am Dsmithy70 wrote on May 3rd, 2011 at 10:25am:
Hence why I said "They claimed". The whole thing is bloody iffy to me. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by cods on May 3rd, 2011 at 11:40am Verge wrote on May 3rd, 2011 at 10:32am:
remember when Dodi died with Princess Diana.... his body was released early so he could be buried within 24 hours of his death.. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by perceptions_now on May 3rd, 2011 at 11:53am Dsmithy70 wrote on May 3rd, 2011 at 10:25am:
Did they? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 3rd, 2011 at 12:18pm
Come on you nutjobs, you know you're not going to satisfied with some pics and vids. "Fake!" you'll cry, "It's a con!" you'll declare.
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Guildford on May 3rd, 2011 at 12:22pm
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, I can feel relief, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by muso on May 3rd, 2011 at 12:34pm Life_goes_on wrote on May 3rd, 2011 at 12:18pm:
There is an incredible amount of scepticism nowadays about any news item. It has never been like this before in the past. People like to argue about anything. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Guildford on May 3rd, 2011 at 12:40pm muso wrote on May 3rd, 2011 at 12:34pm:
no they don't :P |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 3rd, 2011 at 1:13pm
<<The USA chose to bury him at sea so there would be no rallying shrine on land for his followers.>>
................................................................................. Now the sea is his shrine. That was a freaking brilliant idea since 70% of the earth is covered by sea. I'm not going boating or swimming again. |
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Title: Warning- Graphic pic! Post by HC on May 4th, 2011 at 1:39pm |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by BigOl64 on May 4th, 2011 at 2:00pm Looks like a Bex and a good lay down isn't gonne fix that headache. lol If it was me I'd take a p1ss in his open skull while I was at it, fuken scumbag. >:( |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by HC on May 4th, 2011 at 2:07pm BigOl64 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 2:00pm:
LOL.....skullbuggered indeed! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 5th, 2011 at 7:14pm
The US propaganda machine is running at full speed.
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 6th, 2011 at 5:57pm
What resistance did Bin Laden offer? He was unarmed and cornered!
Or did the elite SEAL squad ask him to come with them and he said No? Was that the resistance? Or was Bin Laden to strong for the fully trained SEAL personnel? Why then didn't they just use stun/gas grenades. Why can't the US release the videos up to the shooting? That would prove that they found Bin Laden, otherwise this is all US propaganda! The US obviously don't know whether Bin Laden was alive or dead nor of his whereabouts and this whole charade looks more likely a poor attempt to get Bin Laden to come out and prove he is still alive. When was the last time Bin Laden made a public video? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 6th, 2011 at 6:20pm
<<Why can't the US release the videos up to the shooting? >>
.......................................................................... They had a blackout apparently. The pic of the dead body is a photo I suppose. Bad luck about that blackout. They happen at the darndest times. Apparently there are more questions than answers. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 6th, 2011 at 6:25pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 6:20pm:
Yes I heard that latest attempted story. However teh US must think we had forgotten that they had already stated that Obama and his folk were sitting down in that room watching the events unfold LIVE. And that included the whole saga, right up to when Osama was shot. Because the US reported that when Osama was shot in th ehead, Obama decalred "We got him". But now they have changed their "official" story yet again. Just relase the videos Obama and stop this story telling. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 6th, 2011 at 6:28pm
I am really struggling to accept the US's version of events, as the US knew the whereabouts of Osama compound since last August.
And have been having rehearsed training raids ever since. Are the US really expecting the public to believe that they did not go over the possibility that they would be able to capture Bin Laden alive? And are the US really expecting that their mutli million dollar stealth black hawkes would encounter a "technical" problem and crash? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 6th, 2011 at 6:34pm
Where the US waiting to confrim that Osama was at the compund for over 8 months?
Is that why the US did not raid the compound when they had found out of its existence? But we are led to believe that Osama was roaming the streets of Pakistan freely, so why did the US wait....and wait.....and wait....and wait. How would the US have been had their been a terrorist strike in those 8 months. Or did the US wait all that time as they had no confirmation that Osama was even residing there? Or were the US waiting until May Day so that they they could claim to some historcial date May Day = HELP, much like 911 means help. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 6th, 2011 at 6:36pm
Now for Obama's popularity campaign, Al Qeuda were planning a strike for september 11, propaganda yes.
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 6th, 2011 at 6:42pm creep wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 6:34pm:
If they knew he was there 8 months ago did they not worry that he could get away again, like they just missed him at Tora Bora, either just before he died or just after. Or were they keeping a 24/7 watch on him? by reports so far apparently not. See what happens when you think things through instead of just accepting what you're told? Questions must arise. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 6th, 2011 at 6:42pm
Was AQ planning on an anniversary attack?
What is going to be interesting is to see if Osama calls the bluff from Obama and resurface out of hiding from 16 months. But if/when Osama does the US will claim that it is a fake video. As Obama would immediately be discredited and face losing the election. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 6th, 2011 at 6:45pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 6:42pm:
Well they had their information apparently confirmed, so why the 8 months rehearsal and waiting, but if they were watching him 24/7 (as you would expect) then why were they not confident that Osama was going to be there on May Day. This is why it appears to have been a waiting game for a significant date so the US can use that date as the response to the 911 help date. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 6th, 2011 at 7:03pm
<<Was AQ planning on an anniversary attack?>>
.............................................................. That's what I just heard on the news from the American propaganda machine. Supposedly AQ were going to fiddle with train tracks to cause mass deaths. They got this information from a computer at Bin laden's house (the house with no computers or mobile phones). Then the White House press secretary says please be aware that this information is coming fresh form the source and could be subject to change ;D |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 6th, 2011 at 7:09pm
The US have released more stories about this one event than the Brothers Grimm.
Now the US are claiming that Osama wandered out of his bedroom saw the SEALS and ran back into his bedroom. If that happened then release the video of that! The SEALS then went into the bedroom and shot the wife as she wasn't a threat although she either lunged or was pushed towards the SEALS. But an unarmed Osama was a threat! On the brighter side the SEALS took the alleged two weapons that were in Bin Laden's bedroom into custody! And the dead body of one of Bin Laden's men (relative) was found dead on top of a water pistol, guess that happened in a kids room. Mighty deadly those water pistols. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 6th, 2011 at 7:14pm
In their search for Bin Laden the US sent a small army into Pakistan of around 80 special forces, of which 24 went into the complex.
Pakistan were not advised of this raid beforehand. Would this be considered as a US invasion of Pakistan? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by mavisdavis on May 6th, 2011 at 7:16pm creep wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 7:14pm:
By an idiot, yes. ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 6th, 2011 at 7:23pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 7:03pm:
Youre right "As of February 2010, al-Qa'ida "was allegedly contemplating conducting an operation against trains at an unspecified location in the United States on the 10th anniversary of September 11, 2001," the US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) advised law enforcement agencies in a bulletin obtained by AFP..... Al-Qa'ida "was looking into trying to tip a train by tampering with the rails so that the train would fall off the track at either a valley or a bridge," according to the department. Experts believed the material - including about five computers, 10 hard drives and 100 storage devices - could prove invaluable to deal further blows to al-Qa'ida 10 years after the deadly attacks on New York and the Pentagon. Cyber specialists will first dismantle the hardware, taking care for possible booby traps or triggers that would erase files. Then they will extract and copy all the stored data, sifting through temporary files and trying to crack encryption codes, analysts said." http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/osama-bin-laden-is-dead-white-house-confirms/story-e6frf7lf-1226050991069 The computers are probably filled with porn. The definition of porn for them would be a woman not wearing a burqa! And shaven means no moustache!! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Equitist on May 6th, 2011 at 7:25pm mavisdavis wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 7:16pm:
The smart answer to that is best considered in the context of theoretically-reversed roles... |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 6th, 2011 at 7:28pm Equitist wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 7:25pm:
Interesting. Could imagine the US outcry and response if another country sent a small army of elite special forces and "invaded" the US without the US's permission to kill someone being harboured there. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Soren on May 6th, 2011 at 7:48pm
Bin Laden's watery grave located - pictorial evidence:
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 6th, 2011 at 9:16pm
Al Qaida terror attacks
29 Dec 1992 - Aden, Yemen 26 Feb 1993 - New York, USA 3 Oct 1993 - Mogadishu, Somalia 20 Jun 1994 - Mashad, Iran 12-14 Nov 1994 - Manilla, Philippines 10 Dec 1994 - flight from Philippines, to Tokyo 25 Jun 1995 - Saudi Arabia 13 Nov 1995 - Riyadh, Saudi Arabia 7 Aug 1998 - Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania & Nairobi, Kenya 12 Oct 2000 - Aden, Yemen 9 Sep 2001 - Panjshir Valley, Afghanistan 11 Sep 2001 - New York & Washington DC, USA 31 Jan 2002 - Karachi, Pakistan 17 Mar 2002 - Islamabad, Pakistan 20 Mar 2002 - Lima. Peru 11 Apr 2002 - Djerba, Tunisia 8 May 2002 - Karachi, Pakistan 14 Jun 2002 - Karachi, Pakistan 5 Oct 2002 - al-Mukalla, Yemen 8 Oct 2002 - Faylaka Island, Kuwait 12 Oct 2002 - Bali, Indonesia 28 Oct 2002 - Jordan 28 Nov 2002 - Mombasa, Kenya 12 May 2003 - Riyadh, Saudi Arabia 16 May 2003 - Casablanca, Morocco 7 Jun 2003 - Kabul, Afghanistan 5 Aug 2003 - Jakarta, Indonesia 8 Nov 2003 - Riyadh, Saudi Arabia 15 Nov 2003 - Istanbul, Turkey 20 Dec 2003 - Istanbul, Turkey 25 Dec 2003 - Islamabad, Pakistan 6 Feb 2004 - Moscow, Russia 27 Feb 2004 - Manilla, Philippines 11 Mar 2004 - Madrid, Spain 21 Apr 2004 - Riyadh, Saudi Arabia 1 May 2004 - Yanbu, Saudi Arabia 20 May 2004 - Buraida, Saudi Arabia 30 May 2004 - Khobar, Saudi Arabia 6 Dec 2004 - Jiddah, Saudi Arabia 12 Dec 2004 - General Santos, Philippines 7 Jul 2005 - London, England 23 Jul 2005 - Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt 11 Jul 2006 - Mumbai, India 11 Apr 2007 - Algiers, Algeria 2 Jun 2008 - Islamabad, Pakistan 30 Dec 2009 - Khost, Afghanistan Failed attacks Apr-Jun 1993 - various locations around New York, New Jersey, United Nations May 0 Jul 1993- Karachi, Pakistan Jun 1993 - Jordan, assassination attempt of Jordanian Crown Prince Abdullah 9 Dec 2003 - US bases in Iraq 11 Mar 1994 - Bangkok, Thailand 8 Dec 1994 - 5 Jan 1995 - Manila, Philippines 21-22 Jan 1995 - 11 US Jumbo jets over Pacific 26 Jun 1995 - Addis Ababa assassination attempt Egypt’s President Hosni Mubarak 1-3 Jan 2000 - U.S. and Jordan 13 Jan 2000 - Niger 22 Dec 2001 - flight from Paris to Miami May 2002 - Morocco 5 Sep 2002 - assassination attempt Afghan President Hamid Karzai 4 Dec 2003 - assassination attempt of Saudi Arabia's Maj. Gen. Abdelaziz al-Huweirini 14 Dec 2003 - assasination attempt of Pakistani President Pervez Musharaff 5 Apr 2004 - Madrid, Spain 20 Jun 2004 - assassination attempt of the US ambassador to Kabul, Zalmay Khalilizad, 29 Dec 2004 - Riyadh, Saudi Arabia 15 Jun 2005 - train from Grozny to Moscow, Russia 21 Jul 2005 - London, England 19 Aug 2005 - Aqaba, Jordan http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4677978/ns/world_news-hunt_for_al-qaida/ |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 6th, 2011 at 9:18pm
Even if al-Qaida are stopped there's still Ansar al Islam!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5437742/ns/world_news-hunt_for_al-qaida/t/terror-strikes-blamed-al-zarqawi-iraq/ |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 6th, 2011 at 10:55pm creep wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 5:57pm:
False - they would have used laser beam audio devices that reflect from windows & record all conversations going on in a room. That can be done from 10km away & the technology is available to anyone on the internet. They knew for sure that he was there because we know they have those devices & would have recordings from months of intelligence operations. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 7th, 2011 at 8:57am Bobby. wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 10:55pm:
Then if that were true then the US would release that. But as it doesn't exist then the US can't release it. The US's last known conversation was the video that Osama released in Jan 2010. And even then the US were not entirely convinced. This "charade" killing of Osama is to flush him out just to see if he is still alive. Osama may well have died a lot earlier. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Maqqa on May 7th, 2011 at 9:11am
It's OFFICIAL
OSAMA is dead http://au.news.yahoo.com/osama-bin-laden/a/-/article/9333272/al-qaeda-confirms-bin-laden-is-dead-vows-revenge/ ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Al Qaeda confirmed on Friday that Osama bin Laden was dead, dispelling doubts by some Muslims the group's leader had really been killed by U.S. forces, and vowed to mount more attacks on the West. The announcement by the Islamist militant organisation, which promised to publish a taped message from bin Laden soon, appeared intended to show its adherents around the globe the group had survived as a functioning network. In a statement online, it said the blood of bin Laden, shot to death by a U.S. commando team in a raid on Monday on his hide-out in a Pakistani town, "is more precious to us and to every Muslim than to be wasted in vain." "It will remain, with permission from Allah the Almighty, a curse that hunts the Americans and their collaborators and chases them inside and outside their country." Al Qaeda urged Pakistanis to rise up against their government to "cleanse" the country of what it called the shame brought on it by bin Laden's shooting and of the "filth of the Americans who spread corruption in it." |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 7th, 2011 at 9:31am
Creep,
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Is that a joke? ;D As if you would be told the whole truth! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 7th, 2011 at 9:51am Maqqa wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 9:11am:
Interesting Then now there's no reason for the US not to release the video footage up to the killing, no need to see the killing itself. But the easiest way to stop someone from looking for you is to go along with a charade that has been created to flush you out. Takes the pressure off al qaeda, makes the world feel safer. But as per the listing of terror strikes, it would seem much more apparent that if Bin Laden is dead then he died a lot sooner. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 7th, 2011 at 9:56am creep wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 7:28pm:
See the US have launched a missile at Yemen. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 7th, 2011 at 10:02am
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/06/pakistan.bin.laden/index.html?iref=obinsite
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So you all see now - the Yanks knew for sure that he was there! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 7th, 2011 at 10:05am Bobby. wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 10:02am:
No The US knew of the compound for 8 months. They did not know that he would actually be there at the time of the raid. Why did the US wait for 8 months anyway? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 7th, 2011 at 10:08am
"The C.I.A. had Bin Laden’s compound under surveillance for months before American commandos killed him in an assault on Monday, watching and photographing residents and visitors from a rented house nearby, according to several officials briefed on the operation.
... Observing from behind mirrored glass, C.I.A. officers used cameras with telephoto lenses and infrared imaging equipment to study the compound, and they used sensitive eavesdropping equipment to try to pick up voices from inside the house and to intercept cellphone calls. A satellite used radar to search for possible escape tunnels. Still, the spying operation had its limits: the American surveillance team would see a man take regular walks through the compound’s courtyard — they called him “the pacer” — but they were never able to confirm the man was Bin Laden. " http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/06/world/asia/06intel.html?ref=world |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 7th, 2011 at 10:10am
And as to Bin Laden being flushed out by this "raid"
"As the Bin Laden trail grew cold and he stopped broadcasting videos to the world in the last several years, his status as the world’s most influential terrorist seemed to diminish. Still, in the decade since he fled Afghanistan in late 2001, he managed to release four to six audio messages each year, often making reference to current events, showing that his hide-out was not entirely cut off from the outside world. " http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/06/world/asia/06intel.html?ref=world |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 7th, 2011 at 10:10am
Creep,
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Maybe to help Obama with his poor popularity ratings? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 7th, 2011 at 10:15am Bobby. wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 10:10am:
It would appear so. But that was a huge gamble by the US that Bin Laden had not orchestrated another terror attack in that time. Which adds to the suggestion that the US were waiting for some significant date to raid the compound - May Day. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 7th, 2011 at 10:21am creep wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 10:15am:
May Day is not important. The delay would have allowed the Yanks to gather as much useful information as possible using the latest techniques - as I said - laser beam audio devices also radio receivers that pick up computer screen displays & many other methods that we don't even know about. It was also important to see who was coming & going & to follow them. The Yanks did a great job - good on them. However - I think they should have taken him alive so that they could have water boarded him for more information. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 7th, 2011 at 10:21am
If it's still up I'll take a photo of it -
A big banner on the shorefront in Del Mar that I saw on the way to work - Pic of Osama with a gun to his head and "Don't bugger with the USA You sonofabitch. Adios Amigo" ;D |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 7th, 2011 at 10:27am Bobby. wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 10:21am:
Maybe the US learnt from Tora Bora “We thought we had ‘No. 1’ on this side of the border,” said a senior American military officer involved in planning the operation. “It was the best intelligence we’d had on him in a long time. ... At that time, Afghan intelligence officers, eavesdropping on insurgent conversations in the early summer of 2007, first picked up strong indications that Taliban and Qaeda fighters were planning the largest gathering in Afghanistan since early in the war. The intelligence was so compelling that President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan summoned American officers to his palace in Kabul to request a major American operation to crush the fighters. It was not just the Afghans who were tracking Bin Laden’s potential movements. Independently, the American Special Operations unit assigned to hunt high-level Qaeda and Taliban leaders in Afghanistan, with analysts from the Central Intelligence Agency and other American spy organizations working alongside, had gathered information that more than 100 Taliban and Qaeda commanders and fighters planned to enter Afghanistan from Pakistan through Tora Bora. ” http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/06/world/asia/06binladen.html?src=un&feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fjson8.nytimes.com%2Fpages%2Fworld%2Findex.jsonp But the intelligence proved to be wrong. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 7th, 2011 at 10:30am
Don't know why they didn't take Bin Laden alive as that would have greatly diminished Bin laden's legacy which the US want.
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 7th, 2011 at 10:30am
I thought this was nice last night -
President Obama was on the TV "The terrorist leader who led the attack on our nation on that dark September day, who threatened us from hideaways and who sent his murderers to American shores. Well as a result of what our brave men accomplished this week - that person will never threaten this country again" As the applause and cheers sounded in New York. In my lounge in San Diego, my little two year old stood watching the TV starts clapping too!!!! ;D |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 7th, 2011 at 10:35am Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 10:30am:
But Andrei - the Yanks lost an opportunity to water board Osama. Imagine the information they could have obtained! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 7th, 2011 at 10:38am Bobby. wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 10:35am:
The cost - benefit analysis would have been done Bobby. Imagine the chaos if they held Bin Laden. No. I agree with what was done. Get in, execute him, get out. Straight out of past perfectly executed Israeli operations. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 7th, 2011 at 10:40am Bobby. wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 10:10am:
Obama has acknowledged that the jihadi attacks will not end with the death of Osama, and Obama has if any provocked a response to be made from terrorists by having the raid "to kill, not capture" together with his declaration that the death of Osama was "on my command". As in 2008 presidential campaign Obama said, "We'll find him and kill him." |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 7th, 2011 at 10:40am
Andrei.
Quote:
The Yanks have now surpassed the Israelis - believe it or not! The Jews don't have stealth helicopters - for a start. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by athos on May 7th, 2011 at 11:15am skippy. wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:07pm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpBPVkpmoeg |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by perceptions_now on May 7th, 2011 at 11:28am
What happened to the Bin Laden wife that was shot in the leg?
Where is she now? What has she had to say, if anything? Her story may be quite interesting? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 7th, 2011 at 11:32am perceptions_now wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 11:28am:
Hopefully in jail. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 7th, 2011 at 11:36am perceptions_now wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 11:28am:
I am sure that Womens Weekly would pay a million dollars for her story. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 7th, 2011 at 11:45am
The US launced a missile against Yemen
And the US have launched a missile against Pakistan. Has WWIII started? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 7th, 2011 at 2:04pm perceptions_now wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 11:28am:
There's a deal going on behind closed doors. She won't accept the $500 bribe ( that's all America can afford) to say they come in and shot up hubby, which is why they shot her in the leg. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 7th, 2011 at 2:21pm creep wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 11:45am:
They have. Killed 17 altogether. The US don't need to declare war, apparently all other countries do, but they have special privileges.....they can invade any country they like. It's their last ditch effort to look like a super power before they crumble, both economically and militarily. They might still have Hollywood so it's not all good. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by athos on May 7th, 2011 at 2:24pm skippy. wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:07pm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUrNTMGPJz4 |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 7th, 2011 at 3:14pm creep wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 11:45am:
Thanks to the death of bin Laden - leading to (a) an American promise fulfilled and (b) the revelation that the Pakistani military and political establishment are so infiltrated and corrupted that none trusts each other (as neither does anyone else), the Americans can now scale down their so-called 'partnership' with Pakistan, which, without a doubt, is a nation on the verge of collapse. The collapse of the state of Pakistan (a (nuclear) state that should never have been established in the first place) would lead to civil war that would engulf the Indian sub-continent within weeks if not days. The US can now allow Pakistan a demonstration of 'righteous indignation' such that the US will comply with Pakistani demands that as the relationship, in its current form, is at an end - which it certainly is - that the US withdraws from Pakistani territory. There is no other way to avert an otherwise catastrophic series of events that would have lead to a major global war. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 7th, 2011 at 3:39pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af0L7kDHxSY&feature=feedu
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 7th, 2011 at 3:54pm
LOL the dam NEWZ tells the dam truth.
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 7th, 2011 at 3:59pm
freedom is slavery
if you yell at a football game thats normal if you yell for freedom you are a conspiracy nutjob ignorance = strength carry on regardless.. namaste -:) |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 7th, 2011 at 4:07pm
thanks for the Alex Jones video athos.
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 9th, 2011 at 3:54am
http://www.reenagagneja.com/binladen-2
Osama Bin Laden: Date of Death – 2nd May 2011 or 13th Dec 2001? by REENA on MAY 2, 2011 · 3 COMMENTS Okay so Obama has just announced they killed Osama Bin Laden and took custody of his body. Disappointingly, unlike with Saddam Hussain, no proof has been provided, no pictures of his body have been released. We just have Obama’s word…(hiccup) But the question is did Obama just feed the world a big fat lie? Some say Osama died in 2001. One of those that said this was president Benazir Bhutto, and she also named his killer as being Omar Saeed Sheikh – video to the right. We all know what happened to Mrs Bhutto…. I am leaving an article below that I already posted before, in which the author states the US have known Osama died on Dec 13th 2001. And this Mail Online article said in 2009: “And what of the telling, small news item that broke on December 26, 2001 in the Egyptian newspaper Al-Wafd? It said a prominent official of the Afghan Taliban had announced that Osama Bin Laden had been buried on or about December 13. ‘He suffered serious complications and died a natural, quiet death. He was buried in Tora Bora, a funeral attended by 30 Al Qaeda fighters, close members of his family and friends from the Taliban. By the Wahhabi tradition, no mark was left on the grave,’ said the report. The Taliban official, who was not named, said triumphantly that he had seen Bin Laden’s face in his shroud. ‘He looked pale, but calm, relaxed and confident.’ It was Christmas in Washington DC and London and the report hardly got a mention. Since then, the Bin Laden tapes have emerged with clockwork regularity as billions have been spent and much blood spilt on the hunt for him. Bin Laden has been the central plank of the West’s ‘war on terror’. Could it be that, for years, he’s just been smoke and mirrors?” Indeed. It’s fishy. It’s unclear. Basically, there should be NO reason for them to not show proof (his body) of his death, in fact it would help their ’cause’ surely. Why wouldn’t they provide proof after a decade of this highly costly global man hunt? The only reason, IMHO, can be that they never had his body. Another thing – murder is murder whether by a government on the false pretext of ‘security’ or the ‘war against terror’, or by any Joe Bloggs on the street. To kill someone is barbaric and it violates natural human life and people’s rights – whoever they are. To me, it’s totally crazy that people (the sheeple) cheer and rejoice (as it seems people are doing in NY for eg) when someone dies. It’s sick. Why wouldn’t the govt just capture him? Why do they have to kill? Nah, murder is murder whatever way you look at it. In fact, it fuels the validity of the ‘conspiracy theory’ even more, since if he did die in 2001 what other recourse do they have now but to announce his death…I mean, the manhunt has to be announced as ended someway, somehow….given they failed to announce his death in 2001, then obviously at some point the US govt would pop up to announce his death. Makes them look stupid if they can’t catch one man. So this announcement is not a surprise. And if he WAS killed in the last day or so then why did Benazir Bhutto say that Osama had been murdered, plus why would newspapers report his death in the Middle East at the time? I’m happy to be wrong on this one if they show his body (it can be done respectfully). (Though conveniently, I believe they might have dumped it in the sea…If so, whatever for?!!! It’s fishy, I tell you, it’s fishy – no pun intended. But not sure if this is true, please check on Google). |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 9th, 2011 at 3:54am
Here are a few quotes by former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, who in fact also ‘died’ after saying stuff others did not like. Robin Cook was akin to the Ron Paul ilk of politicians – genuine, caring and truthful. Shame there aren’t more of those at this time.
Robin Cook supposedly died of a fall in which one would have expected head and neck injuries but none were reported after a 2-day post mortem and the conclusion was that it was sudden heart failure. Now, isn’t it a bit odd that just like Benazir Bhutto being assassinated shortly after she spoke her mind (on many matters not just this), likewise, Robin Cook appears to have suddenly dropped dead shortly after aggravating peeps with his comments? This gives you an idea of what he was about: “There were no international terrorists in Iraq until we went in. It was we who gave the perfect conditions in which Al Qaeda could thrive.” “The longer we remain in Iraq the more our occupation becomes part of the problem… rather than the solution.” September 24, 2002: “No 10 believed in the intelligence [summarized in the September 24 dossier] because they desperately wanted it to be true. Their sin was not one of bad faith but of evangelical certainty. They selected for inclusion only the scraps of intelligence that fitted the government’s case and gave them an edge that was justifiable. The net result was a gross distortion.” [Cook, 8/2/2004; Independent, 10/6/2003] February 6, 2003: “Tony [Blair] was far too clever to allege that there was a real link between Saddam and Al-Qaeda. But he deliberately crafted a suggestive phrasing which in the minds of many viewers must have created an impression, and was designed to create the impression, that British troops were going to Iraq to fight a threat from Al-Qaeda.” [Cook, 8/2/2004; Sunday Times (London), 10/5/2003] February 15, 2003: “The latest report by Hans Blix registers a lot of progress in co-operation from Iraq, fails to identify any evidence of weapons of mass destruction and expresses confidence that, with time, more progress can be made. Far from being welcome news to Tony, this will be his nightmare come true. The truth is that he does not want the UN inspections to work. He needs them in order to prove that Saddam will not co-operate and that he is therefore justified in going to war as Sancho Panza to George Bush’s Don Quixote.” [Cook, 8/2/2004; Independent, 10/6/2003] [Quixote indeed. One of my favourite books - so funny - try it if you need a fictional read.] March 5, 2003: “The most revealing exchange came when we talked about Saddam’s arsenal. I told him [Tony Blair], ‘It’s clear from the private briefing I have had that Saddam has no weapons of mass destruction in a sense of weapons that could strike at strategic cities. But he probably does have several thousand battlefield chemical munitions. Do you never worry that he might use them against British troops?’” [Cook, 8/2/2004; Sunday Times (London), 10/5/2003] Late May 2003: “Chemical and biological weapons have a limited shelf life. All the materials that Saddam had in 1991 (at the end of the gulf war) would have degraded to the point of being useless long before 2003, whether or not he had destroyed them.” [Newsweek, 5/30/2003] June 2003: “When they looked at intelligence, they weren’t looking at intelligence to try to get a balanced judgment, a guide to policy, out of it, they were looking to intelligence to support a conclusion they had already come to—which is that they were going to go to war.” [New York Times, 6/9/2003] September 24, 2003: “I was surpised that there was so little new material in it [the September 2002 British Dossier on Iraq]. There is no new evidence that I could find of a dramatic increase in threat requiring urgent invasion.” [Cook, 8/2/2004; Sunday Times (London), 10/5/2003] “I cannot support a war without international agreement or domestic support.” (Part of his resignation speech) Robin Cook died whilst out walking in the Scottish hills which he loved. Similarly, Dr David Kelly, a biological weapons expert also died and he too was not in favour the Iraq war. Benjamin Franklin said, ‘Only lies need the protection of the state, the truth can stand alone’. Indeed, if what Obama said about killing Osama is true, then why the reports about his death in 2001 all over the net…smoke, fire and all that. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 9th, 2011 at 3:56am
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=899&q=robin+cook+says+bin+laden+dead&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
http://the-tap.blogspot.com/2011/05/robin-cook-revealed-falsehood-of-al.html Tuesday, May 03, 2011 Robin Cook Revealed The Falsehood Of Al Qaeda A Month Before He Was Assassinated Robin Cook died shortly after revealing the truth about Al Qaeda. Heart attack. He was still alive when he was removed from his wife. She was not permitted to accompany him. Bin Laden Stuff And Nonsense Osama Bin Laden was announced dead nine years ago. He was announced dead in Pakistan in 2002 by President Musharraf. In 2003 the head of the FBI said he was dead. In 2005 a US senator stated that OBL was dead. In 2006 French Intelligence said he was dead. In 2007 Benazir Bhutto announced he was dead. 2009, the Pakistani President said Americans hadn't heard from Bin Laden for 7 years. Notwithstanding all this evidence, the USA claims that in 2011 they shot and killed him, and then threw his body into the ocean. I doubt any body thrown was actually his, but the Bin Laden myth, at least, has finally been laid to rest. In the world of media mythology, he was one of the biggest stars of all time. In reality he was nothing much. But why was there this myth about him? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 9th, 2011 at 3:58am
1996 MI6 helped 'Al Quaeda' attempt to kill Gaddafi in Libya. French journalists reported this. Gaddafi subsequently wanted OBL declared an international terrorist. The world laughed off this suggestion. The CIA and 'Al Quaeda' are now fighting together in Libya in support of the 'rebels'. Bin Laden was what's known as a CIA asset, as he was all along.
Robin Cook Robin Cook stated in Parliament in 2005 that Al Quaeda was only a database of mujahideen and fighters, and the fiction that Al Quaeda was a coherent terrorist organisation with OBL at its head was a creation of the CIA. Two months later Robin Cook died suddenly, of a convenient heart attack while on a country stroll with his wife. He was whisked away to hospital by helicopter without his wife, who was not permitted to accompany him, although he was still alive. At the age of 54, this brave man, like so many others who stood in their way, was no more. By such means has the Bin Laden myth been maintained. WIKIPEDIA writes a strangled version of the truth, typical of where heavy censorship and other methods of suppression are in use, as follows - Stories on al Qaeda have filled the pages of many newspapers in recent years, yet there are those who say the group doesn't exist at all. They're an invention of the US Government designed to keep the population frightened, and ensure they accept higher military spending, suggest some. But where's the evidence to support their claims? Robin Cook The most high-level source used to support the "al Qaeda doesn't exist" claims comes from former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook. Or at least that’s what you might be told. Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3836 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1291 Robin Cook wasn’t known for denying Al Qaeda is a terrorist group as far as we can recall, and searching at Hansard (a record of everything that goes on in Parliament) produced no matches even remotely matching the above claim. The best match we found was this, from a Guardian article: Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west. The danger now is that the west's current response to the terrorist threat compounds that original error. So long as the struggle against terrorism is conceived as a war that can be won by military means, it is doomed to fail. The more the west emphasises confrontation, the more it silences moderate voices in the Muslim world who want to speak up for cooperation. Success will only come from isolating the terrorists and denying them support, funds and recruits, which means focusing more on our common ground with the Muslim world than on what divides us. http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1523838,00.html No suggestion whatsoever that “al Qaeda is not a terrorist group”, quite the opposite. In the absence of any supporting evidence, it looks like the original quote has been twisted to suit one side of the story: so much for finding 9/11 truth. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 9th, 2011 at 7:10am
<< In the world of media mythology, he was one of the biggest stars of all time. In reality he was nothing much.>>
.................................................................... Osama Bin laden = patsy, scapegoat, fall-guy. There are a couple if ex CIA and government officials who have come out and backed the 2001 death of Osama. It sux to be them........accidents waiting to happen. I suppose a half a dozen sudden unexplained deaths might be too much to be believed, even for the Pentagon's standards. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Soren on May 9th, 2011 at 12:23pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzD-rnmeiH8
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by mavisdavis on May 9th, 2011 at 1:08pm Soren wrote on May 9th, 2011 at 12:23pm:
Well said! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 9th, 2011 at 1:26pm
Interesting read
"These newly declassified documents on Pakistani covert support to the Taliban and Kashmiri separatist groups confirms the historic role of Pakistani intelligence and its covert operations since the onslaught of the Soviet Afghan war. What the declassified documents do not mention, however, is the role of US intelligence. In carrying out these covert operations, Pakistani intelligence was acting "as a go between" on behalf of the CIA. The Soviet-Afghan war was part of a CIA covert agenda initiated during the Carter administration, which consisted in actively supporting and financing the Islamic brigades, later known as Al Qaeda. The Pakistani military regime played from the outset in the late 1970s, a key role in US sponsored military and intelligence operations in Afghanistan. in the post-Cold war era, this central role of Pakistan in US intelligence operations was extended to the broader Central Asia- Middle East region. The proceeds of the Golden Crescent drug trade, which was protected by the CIA, were used to channel support to the Mujahideen. America's covert war in Afghanistan, using Pakistan as a launch pad, was in fact initiated during the Carter administration prior to the Soviet "invasion". In the published memoirs of Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who held the position of deputy CIA Director at the height of the Soviet Afghan war, US intelligence was directly involved from the outset, prior to the Soviet invasion, in channeling aid to the Islamic brigades. This assertion of Robert Gates is also confirmed by President Carter's National Security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, (Interview Nouvel Observateur, 15-21 January 1998) With CIA backing and the funneling of massive amounts of U.S. military aid, the Pakistani ISI had developed into a "parallel structure wielding enormous power over all aspects of government". (Dipankar Banerjee, "Possible Connection of ISI With Drug Industry", India Abroad, 2 December 1994). The ISI had a staff composed of military and intelligence officers, bureaucrats, undercover agents and informers, estimated at 150,000. (Ibid) Historically, Pakistan has played a central role in "war on terrorism". Pakistan constitutes from Washington's standpoint a geopolitical hub. It borders onto Afghanistan and Iran. It has played a crucial role in the conduct of US and allied military operations in Afghanistan as well as in the context of the Pentagon's war plans in relation to Iran. Pakistan remains a training ground for the US sponsored Islamic brigades in the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia, South and South East Asia President Pervez Musharraf, is described by the Western media as "a U.S. ally in its battle against terrorism" Realities are turned upside down. The Pakistani military regime has consistently, since the late 1970s, abetted and financed "Islamic terrorist organizations" on Washington's behalf. Pakistan's ISI was always acting in close liaison with Washington. The Taliban would not have been able to accede to political power and form a government without US military aid, channeled through Pakistan. In examining these documents, the subordinate role of Pakistani intelligence should be taken into careful consideration. " http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NAT20080831&articleId=10015 |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by muso on May 9th, 2011 at 1:52pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 9th, 2011 at 7:10am:
Did you see that movie "Burn After Reading" ? ;D |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 9th, 2011 at 5:05pm muso wrote on May 9th, 2011 at 1:52pm:
No, but I learnt not to believe everything I was told when I was six years of age. Osama must be using Loreal, he looks the same age as he did 10 years ago....oh! the black hair dye and lack of sun exposure....does wonders for the complexion. He was sick as hell in 2001 on kidney dialysis, that's a known known, Allah must be good with the miracles. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Karnal on May 9th, 2011 at 5:22pm
Who said he was on dialysis? The US? Ah.
I must say that that video of him playing video games looks a bit convincing. I'm starting to come around. That's all I wanted - a bit of proof. Is it too much to ask? Plus - the Light tells me he's been seen on the astral plane with A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhubata, so the information is slowly coming in. Forgiven. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Soren on May 9th, 2011 at 5:44pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 9th, 2011 at 5:05pm:
Well, sending you to school for 12 years was a bit of waste, then, wasn't it? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 9th, 2011 at 5:57pm Soren wrote on May 9th, 2011 at 5:44pm:
Do you just take the teachers word for it, or do you research it and find the answer? Did you believe the teacher when he said it was naked photo time? you have to think for yourself in this world. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by mavisdavis on May 9th, 2011 at 7:21pm Soren wrote on May 9th, 2011 at 5:44pm:
pansy was soooo determined to complete grade 3, too. Pity. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 9th, 2011 at 7:31pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 9th, 2011 at 5:05pm:
I like the way that the US tried to discredit Bin Laden, as if Obama doesn't use skin enhancing products, dental enhancement, or even hair dyes like Julia Gillard does. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 9th, 2011 at 7:35pm Mattyfisk wrote on May 9th, 2011 at 5:22pm:
Well if the US said it then it must be true, especially if they put it in print! And the US would deem it anti-American, maybe even treason if you dare question it. Reminds me of George Orwell's 1984, We have always been at war with Euroasia, then the next day the headline was we've never been at war with Euroasia. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Cockney Doll on May 9th, 2011 at 7:55pm
If he had a kidney issue resulting in dialysis, he'd be long dead. A person needs to be hospitalised for kidney dialysis. He would not have been livin gwhere he was.
Besides the fact there was no equipement found. There was no doubt it was him, the DNA they had matched. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 9th, 2011 at 7:58pm
It has been reported repeatedly over the years.
.............................................................. Hospital Worker: I Saw Osama Accused Terrorist Said To Have Had Dialysis On Sept. 10 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/28/eveningnews/main325887.shtml extract..... Ahmed Rashid, who has written extensively on the Taliban, said the military was often there to help before Sept. 11. "There were reports that Pakistan intelligence had helped the Taliban buy dialysis machines and the rumor was that these were for wanted for Osama bin Laden," said Rashid. It was Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf who said in public what many suspected: that bin Laden suffers from kidney disease, saying he thinks bin Laden may be near death. His evidence — watching the most recent video, showing a pale and haggard bin Laden, his left hand never moving. Bush administration officials admit they don't know if bin Laden is sick or even dead. "With respect to the issue of Osama bin Laden's health, I just am...don't have any knowledge," said Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. The U.S. has no way of knowing who in Pakistan's military or intelligence supported the Taliban or Osama bin Lade, maybe up to the night before Sept. 11 by arranging dialysis to keep him alive. So the U.S. may not know if those same people might help him again — perhaps to freedom. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 9th, 2011 at 8:00pm Cockney Doll wrote on May 9th, 2011 at 7:55pm:
Yes, they matched DNA with who again. And there's never been cases of the DNA being wrong now has there! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 9th, 2011 at 8:01pm
<<If he had a kidney issue resulting in dialysis, he'd be long dead. >>
............................................................... In December 2001, apparently. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Cockney Doll on May 9th, 2011 at 8:09pm
The DNA was matched with a very close relative firstly.
I worked in the medical research field and can tell you that in this day and age DNA are highly accurate. Years ago they were not 100% |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 9th, 2011 at 8:18pm Cockney Doll wrote on May 9th, 2011 at 8:09pm:
A VERY close relative as opposed to "The U.S. is believed to have collected DNA samples from several of bin Laden's family members during the decade since the terrorist attacks of 9/11. " So they "matched" to one of the family members, (but not all family members). Therefore the only conclusion that can be made was that it was a family member, not necessarily Osama Bin Laden himself. . Again, the DNA is not conclusive at all. Especially now that most people know that DNA testing is open to a lot of problems, unlike 15 years ago when people stood is awe at the very mention of DNA. Now we all know that with DNA along comes another set of testing problems, mainly the means of testing, the way of collecting the sample, both of which can led to false positive results. But the main areas of difficulty are that of the examiner's bias, actually trying to look for things that just aren't there. Further the examiner misinterpetaing the results of the DNA. So for anyopne to lay claim that DNA is the be-all end all is merely fooling themself. And why would anyone rely on DNA when you have supposedly got the body in the first place. Unless you plan on deceiving by disposing of the body. And after all that to then try and claim a match not with Bin laden himself but a family member, long dead then it is far from convincing to claim that the body was Osama's. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 10th, 2011 at 6:46am
This is an old video but still relevant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHRjCkyXvwA |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by mavisdavis on May 10th, 2011 at 8:59am
BREAKING NEWS!!
A dyslexic Navy Seal has just been caught in Bunnings, in the "bin liner" section. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by GH on May 10th, 2011 at 10:13am creep wrote on May 9th, 2011 at 8:18pm:
Given the identification of the body by his wife, the DNA and visual recognition matching, accounts of others from the compound at Abbottabad, plus the context of his recent existence, there is little reason to doubt that the US got its man. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 10th, 2011 at 1:01pm GH wrote on May 10th, 2011 at 10:13am:
Actually there is a lot of doubt. What is needed is the proof, however the US decided to dispose of what they considered was the proof before anyone could see it. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 10th, 2011 at 1:30pm
http://www.infowars.com/10-facts-that-prove-the-bin-laden-fable-is-a-contrived-hoax/
10 Facts That Prove The Bin Laden Fable Is a Contrived Hoax Paul Joseph Watson Infowars.com May 9, 2011 Merely a week after President Obama announced the death of Osama Bin Laden, there is literally a deluge of evidence that clearly indicates the whole episode has been manufactured for political gain and to return Americans to a state of post-9/11 intellectual castration so that they can be easily manipulated in the run up to the 2012 election. Here are ten facts that prove the Bin Laden fable is a contrived hoax…. 1) Before last Sunday’s raid, every intelligence analyst, geopolitical commentator or head of state worth their salt was on record as stating that Osama Bin Laden was already dead, and that he probably died many years ago, from veteran CIA officer Robert Baer, to former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, to former FBI head of counterterrorism Dale Watson. In addition, back in 2002 Alex Jones was told directly by two separate high level sources that Bin Laden was already dead and that his death would be announced at the most politically opportune moment. Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under five different Presidents, serving as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under the Nixon, Ford and Carter, told the Alex Jones Show last week that Bin Laden died of marfan syndrome shortly after he was visited by CIA physicians at the American Hospital in Dubai in July 2001. 2) The official narrative of how the raid unfolded completely collapsed within days of its announcement. First there had been a 40 minute shootout, then there was no shootout and just one man was armed, first Bin Laden was armed then he was not, first Bin Laden used his wife as a human shield and then he did not. First the compound was described as a “$1 million dollar mansion” then it turned out to be a rubbish-strewn dilapidated compound that was worth less than a quarter of that. Almost every single aspect of the official narrative has changed since Obama first described the raid last Sunday as the White House struggles to keep its story straight. 3) The alleged body of Bin Laden was hastily dumped in the sea to prevent any proper procedure of identification. The White House claimed this was in accordance with normal Islamic burial rituals, however numerous Muslim scholars all over the globe disputed this claim, pointing out that Muslims can only be buried at sea if they die at sea. While the White House claimed that Bin Laden’s death on May 1st was proven by DNA and facial recognition evidence, such proof was never released for public scrutiny and the Obama administration refused to release photos of Bin Laden’s dead body, suggesting a cover-up. 4) Despite the fact that the White House released “situation room” photos which purported to show Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and the rest of Obama’s security staff watching the raid which killed Bin Laden live, it was later admitted by CIA director Leon Panetta that Obama could not have seen the raid because the live feed was cut off before the Navy SEALS entered the compound. The photos were described by many as having “historical significance,” forming a “captivating” record of Obama’s greatest success and being the “defining moment” of his Presidency. One image showed Hillary Clinton with her hand over her mouth as if witnessing an anxious or crucial moment in the raid. Media reports at the time claimed that the photos represented the moment when “The leader of the free world saw the terror chief shot in the left eye.” However, the photos were staged as a PR stunt for public consumption, nobody in the photos ever saw Bin Laden killed live, nor did they see the Navy SEALS even enter the compound. 5) As even mainstream journalists began to cast suspicion on the official narrative behind the raid, the media reported that Al-Qaeda itself had confirmed every detail of Obama’s address the the nation. However, the conduit for such a claim was in fact an organization called SITE, which is a notorious Pentagon propaganda front run by the daughter of an Israeli spy that has been caught on numerous occasions releasing fake cartoonish “Al-Qaeda” videos at the most politically expedient times for both the Bush and Obama administrations. The SITE organization is nothing more than a contractor for the U.S. government, receiving some $500,000 a year annually from Uncle Sam, and yet the corporate media instantly swallowed and regurgitated the claim that “Al-Qaeda” had confirmed the official story after SITE directed them to an anonymous posting on an Islamic website. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 10th, 2011 at 1:31pm
6) Almost every single neighbor that lived near the alleged Bin Laden compound in Abbottabad that was interviewed by news reporters said with absolute certainty that they had never seen Bin Laden and that they knew of no evidence whatsoever to suggest he lived there. Since the town is a staging ground for the Pakistani military, which has a training facility situated virtually a stone’s throw away from the alleged Bin Laden compound, residents were required to show ID when they moved into the area. Pakistani troops and anti-terror police in the town refused to confirm that Bin Laden had lived in the house. Barack Obama himself admitted to 60 Minutes that the White House was only 55/45 sure that Osama lived there before the raid and this uncertainty prompted concerns that the US Navy SEALS sent in could have targeted a “prince from Dubai” or some other individual that was not Bin Laden.
7) The videos released by the White House this past weekend which purport to show Osama Bin Laden making Al-Qaeda tapes in October-November 2010 are almost identical to footage first released by Pentagon front group SITE nearly four years ago. Remember, a May 2010 Washington Post story reported how the CIA had admitted to making fake Bin Laden videos. Despite the White House’s insistence that the footage of Bin Laden is recent, he looks younger and healthier than tapes released almost a decade ago, having apparently dyed his beard black. A separate video that purports to show Bin Laden in his compound flicking through satellite TV channels depicts a much older looking man with a gray beard. Analysts have pointed out that the man has different shaped ears to real Osama pictures from back in 2001. A doctor has also pointed out the fact that the man in the tapes released Saturday has no problem moving his left arm, whereas video from 2001 clearly illustrates how Bin Laden was unable to move his left upper extremity because of a permanent injury probably related to damage to the peripheral nerves. Why the cameraman would film the back of Bin Laden’s head as he watches television is also dubious. Residents in the town of Abbottabad claim the man in the “television” video is not Osama, with one individual claiming that the man labeled by the White House as being Bin Laden is actually his neighbor, a man named Akhbar Han. Fresh food that lasts from eFoods Direct (Ad) 8: Despite the fact that numerous neo-cons came out on the days after the alleged raid to erroneously assert that torturing terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay led to the discovery of Bin Laden, Osama himself, the supposed world’s most wanted terrorist and a treasure trove of terror information, despite the fact that he was unarmed, was not taken in for questioning, he was instantly shot in the head according to the official narrative. 9) The US government has been caught on several occasions within the past decade staging military operations for the purposes of generating contrived, pro-war sentiment amongst the American public. Both the “rescue” of Jessica Lynch and the death of Pat Tillman were complete fables, scripted and staged at complete odds with the truth and unleashed on Americans as part of a psychological warfare offensive to elicit support for the war on terror, almost identical to what we’re seeing now with the Bin Laden sideshow. Given the fact that the US government has been caught red-handed scripting tales of pure fiction in order to justify the war on terror, notably in the cases of Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman, why on earth should we believe them now? 10) Despite the fact that Obama announced last Sunday on live television that the world was now “safer” because Bin Laden was dead, his administration, with the aid of the fearmongering mass media, instantly seized upon the situation to terrify Americans into being afraid of imminent “reprisal” terror attacks inside the United States, later claiming that Bin Laden had formulated an “aspirational rather than operational” plan to derail US trains that travel over 500mph, although no trains in the US can actually travel at such speeds. This led “terror experts” to salivate over how TSA agents were now needed in shopping malls to stick their hands down Americans’ pants, while New York Senator Chuckie Schumer called for the no fly list to be expanded to trains and subways. Obama hurried to ground zero for a photo op as he desperately tried to use the Bin Laden hoax to whip up phony patriotism as a means of boosting his flagging poll numbers. Others, like Democrat Bill Richardson, exploited the situation to try and push through policies that had no connection to Bin Laden or terrorism at all, like cap and trade. The haste with which the whole Bin Laden fable was exploited for political points scoring and as a psychological ploy to return Americans to a post-9/11 state of intellectual castration was painfully transparent, clearly suggesting that the entire farce was planned well in advance to achieve precisely those goals in the run up to 2012. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by wasskliwabbit on May 10th, 2011 at 1:55pm
Obama: “We Could Not Say Definitively That Bin Laden Was There”
During his 60 Minutes interview with CBS News last night, Barack Obama admitted that US intelligence was only 55/45 confident that Bin Laden was even in the compound raided last Sunday night, fearing that the occupant could actually have been a “prince from Dubai,” a skepticism shared by residents of Abbottabad, one of whom told the BBC that the man seen watching television in the tapes released by the White House Saturday was in fact his neighbor, not Bin Laden. The White House’s massive uncertainty that Bin Laden was even in the compound and that US forces could instead have been raiding a “prince from Dubai,” is interesting given the fact that the vast majority of neighbors who lived around the house in Abbottabad remain convinced that both the man who lived there and the individual shown watching television in the tape released by US officials Saturday was not Bin Laden. In a BBC News report, Orla Guerin interviewed dozens of people who were adamant that Bin Laden did not live in the compound, with none of them ever witnessing him or hearing rumors that he was there in the five years that Obama claimed Bin Laden was a resident in the town. “It’s all a fake, nothing happened,” said a newspaper seller who has been working in the town for 50 years. Another resident told Guerin that the man seen in the video footage of Osama allegedly flicking between television channels is in fact his neighbor, not Bin Laden. “His name is Akhbar Han, he owns the house they said was Osama’s house, I know him very well,” the man stated. After speaking to “more than 50 people in the market,” Guerin found only one who believed that the man watching television was Bin Laden. As we documented on Saturday, while the face of the man watching television can hardly be seen, the other videos released by the White House show a Bin Laden that looks a lot younger and healthier than he did in 2001. All of the other videos look almost identical to footage first released in 2007 by the Pentagon front group SITE for the audio & video and the rest ..at prisonplanet dot com |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 10th, 2011 at 2:04pm
It's the curious case of Benjamin Button. The last footage we saw, he was frail and looking damn right ill, now we see the "new revived version" looking 10 years younger.
I wish the Pentagon would decide how they want to portray him, either as the old frail man wrapped in a blanket who's wife had to protect, or the vibrant and dangerous militant who's plotting the destruction of the western world. decisions decisions or when script writers change shifts. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by gizmo_2655 on May 10th, 2011 at 3:22pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 9th, 2011 at 8:01pm:
Why??? dialysis is a workable replacement therapy for kidney disease.....and the only 'problem' is affording enough sessions.. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 10th, 2011 at 3:27pm
All of the other videos look almost identical to footage first released in 2007 by the Pentagon front group SITE
____________ http://www.prisonplanet.com/former-cia-officials-admit-to-faking-bin-laden-video.html Former CIA Officials Admit To Faking Bin Laden Video Military psy-ops took over operation after intelligence project failed to take off Steve Watson Prisonplanet.com Tuesday, May 25th, 2010 Two former CIA officials have admitted to creating a fake video in which intelligence officers dressed up as Osama Bin Laden and his cronies in an effort to defame the terrorist leader throughout the middle east. The details are outlined in a Washington Post article by investigative reporter and former Army Intelligence case officer Jeff Stein. Stein’s sources told him that during planning for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the CIA’s Iraq Operations Group considered creating a fake video of Saddam Hussein engaged in sexual acts with a teenage boy, then flooding Iraq with copies of the tape. That idea, along with faking Iraqi news bulletins, never came to fruition according to the former CIA officials, because agreement on the projects could not be reached between the Iraq Group and CIA’s Office of Technical Services. However, the two sources reveal that the agency did previously concoct at least one fake Bin Laden video: The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said. The former officials told Stein that the project was taken over by the military after it ground to a halt: The reality, the former officials said, was that the agency really didn’t have enough money and expertise to carry out the projects. “The military took them over,” said one. “They had assets in psy-war down at Ft. Bragg,” at the army’s special warfare center. This latest revelation bolsters evidence that the intelligence agencies, and perhaps more significantly, the military have been engaged in creating fake Bin Laden videos in the past. As we have exhaustively documented, Intelcenter, the U.S. monitoring group that routinely releases Bin Laden video and audio, much of which have been proven to be either rehashed old footage or outright fakes, is an offshoot of IDEFENSE, a web security company that monitors intelligence from the middle east. IDEFENSE is heavily populated by long serving ex military intelligence officials, such as senior military psy-op intelligence officer Jim Melnick, who served 16 years in the US army and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) in psychological operations. Melnick has also worked directly for former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Intelcenter notoriously released the “laughing hijackers” tape and claimed it was an Al-Qaeda video, despite the fact that the footage was obtained by a “security agency” at a 2000 Bin Laden speech. IntelCenter was also caught adding its logo to a tape at the same time as Al-Qaeda’s so-called media arm As-Sahab added its logo, proving the two organizations were one and the same. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_ideas_to_d.html |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 10th, 2011 at 3:28pm
CIA unit's wacky idea: Depict Saddam as gay
By Jeff Stein During planning for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the CIA's Iraq Operations Group kicked around a number of ideas for discrediting Saddam Hussein in the eyes of his people. One was to create a video purporting to show the Iraqi dictator having sex with a teenage boy, according to two former CIA officials familiar with the project. “It would look like it was taken by a hidden camera,” said one of the former officials. “Very grainy, like it was a secret videotaping of a sex session.” The idea was to then “flood Iraq with the videos,” the former official said. Another idea was to interrupt Iraqi television programming with a fake special news bulletin. An actor playing Hussein would announce that he was stepping down in favor of his (much-reviled) son Uday. “I’m sure you will throw your support behind His Excellency Uday,” the fake Hussein would intone. The spy agency’s Office of Technical Services collaborated on the ideas, which also included inserting fake “crawls” -- messages at the bottom of the screen -- into Iraqi newscasts. The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said. Eventually, “things ground to a halt,” the other former officer said, because no one could come to agreement on the projects. They also faced strong opposition from James Pavitt, then head of the agency’s Operations Division, and his deputy, Hugh Turner, who “kept throwing darts at it.” The ideas were patently ridiculous, said the other former agency officer. “They came from people whose careers were spent in Latin America or East Asia” and didn’t understand the cultural nuances of the region. “Saddam playing with boys would have no resonance in the Middle East -- nobody cares,” agreed a third former CIA official with extensive experience in the region. “Trying to mount such a campaign would show a total misunderstanding of the target. We always mistake our own taboos as universal when, in fact, they are just our taboos.” A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, declined to confirm the accounts, or deny them. "While I can't confirm these accounts, if these ideas were ever floated by anyone at any time, they clearly didn't go anywhere," the official said. The reality, the former officials said, was that the agency really didn’t have enough money and expertise to carry out the projects. “The military took them over,” said one. “They had assets in psy-war down at Ft. Bragg,” at the army’s special warfare center. “The agency got rid of most of its non-paramilitary covert action in the 1980s, after Bill Casey died,” said the third former official. “He was a big fan of covert action, but neither Bob Gates, who succeeded him as acting [CIA] director, or any after him, wanted anything to do with it.” “There was a flurry of activity during the first Gulf War,” the official added, “but [Gen. Norman] Schwarzkopf made it clear he had to approve everything, and he basically approved nothing, except, reluctantly at first, surrender leaflets. By the late '90s there were very few people left who knew anything about covert action or how to do it. “ The leaflets also had “unintended consequences,” the former official added. “In the perverted logic of Iraq, the Iraqi soldiers decided they had to have a leaflet to surrender, so they fought us to get one." According to histories of the 2003 invasion, the single most effective “information warfare” project, which originated in the Pentagon, was to send faxes and e-mails to Iraqi unit commanders as the fighting began, telling them their situation was hopeless, to round up their tanks, artillery and men, and go home. Many did. Hear a further discussion of the videos on PRI's The World. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_ideas_to_d.html |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 10th, 2011 at 3:29pm
http://undebunked.wordpress.com/2010/05/26/ex-c-i-a-officials-admit-to-making-fake-bin-laden-tapes/
Ex-C.I.A. officials admit to making fake Bin Laden tapes 26 05 2010 Many people believe that the videos of Bin Laden which conveniently pop up when the government needs to push new anti-terror legislation or when a President needs re-election are actually fake video tapes put out by the government to fear monger the public. Now a recent Washington Post article basically confirms what many already knew, that the C.I.A. has in fact created fake video tapes of Bin Laden though they still don’t admit to actually releasing the tapes. In The Washington Post article titled: CIA unit’s wacky idea: Depict Saddam as gay 2 ex-C.I.A. officials have gone on record and admitted that they not only considered making fake tapes of Saddam as a homosexual pedophile but did actually create a fake video tape of Bin Laden allegedly bragging about having sex with underage children and claiming responsibility for future attacks on the U.S. Though the ex-C.I.A. officials don’t admit to ever releasing the video tapes it goes to show that using false propaganda in order to sway public opinion is not to be put past the government. (WMD’s anyone?) The Washington Post article goes to prove that the C.I.A. does in fact create fake video tapes (full of lies) but we are supposed to believe that all of the televised videos of Bin Laden are real even though professional linguists have already proved that several of the supposed “real” video tapes of Bin Laden are not authentic and that the man in the video tapes is not Bin Laden but a bad look-a-like with an even worse dialect. From the article: One was to create a video purporting to show the Iraqi dictator having sex with a teenage boy, according to two former CIA officials familiar with the project. “It would look like it was taken by a hidden camera,” said one of the former officials. “Very grainy, like it was a secret videotaping of a sex session.” The idea was to then “flood Iraq with the videos,” the former official said. The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said. Eventually, “things ground to a halt,” the other former officer said, because no one could come to agreement on the projects. The worst part of this Washington Post article is not that the C.I.A. officials are admitting guilt (they certainly are not) but rather “came forward” because they think it’s funny. The article also treats this admission as some kind of funny story that we should all get a laugh out of. I mean, portraying Saddam as a homosexual child molester is hilarious right? Just keep in mind that while such lies may be funny to many people the fake video tapes are meant to fool YOU. These tapes were meant to trick you into hating Saddam even more than you already did. Which makes one wonder, are the stories the government told us about Saddam that made the world hate him even true or are they lies as well? In the end this article reveals to us that the government thinks we are all idiots who can’t tell the difference between fact and fiction. And we probably are. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 10th, 2011 at 3:34pm
https://musliminsuffer.wordpress.com/2011/05/09/cia-admits-making-fake-osama-bin-laden-videos-wanted-to-create-fake-saddam-porn-video/
http://www.scribd.com/doc/31960047/Former-CIA-Officials-Admit-to-Faking-Bin-Laden-Video http://newworldorderreport.com/News/tabid/266/ID/4253/Former-CIA-Officials-Admit-To-Faking-Bin-Laden-Video.aspx Former CIA Officials Admit To Faking Bin Laden Video Infowars Two former CIA officials have admitted to creating a fake video in which intelligence officers dressed up as Osama Bin Laden and his cronies in an effort to defame the terrorist leader throughout the middle east. The details are outlined in a Washington Post article by investigative reporter and former Army Intelligence case officer Jeff Stein. Stein's sources told him that during planning for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the CIA's Iraq Operations Group considered creating a fake video of Saddam Hussein engaged in sexual acts with a teenage boy, then flooding Iraq with copies of the tape. That idea, along with faking Iraqi news bulletins, never came to fruition according to the former CIA officials, because agreement on the projects could not be reached between the Iraq Group and CIA's Office of Technical Services. However, the two sources reveal that the agency did previously concoct at least one fake Bin Laden video: The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said. The former officials told Stein that the project was taken over by the military after it ground to a halt: The reality, the former officials said, was that the agency really didn’t have enough money and expertise to carry out the projects. “The military took them over,” said one. “They had assets in psy-war down at Ft. Bragg,” at the army’s special warfare center. This latest revelation bolsters evidence that the intelligence agencies, and perhaps more significantly, the military have been engaged in creating fake Bin Laden videos in the past. As we have exhaustively documented, Intelcenter, the U.S. monitoring group that routinely releases Bin Laden video and audio, much of which have been proven to be either rehashed old footage or outright fakes, is an offshoot of IDEFENSE, a web security company that monitors intelligence from the middle east. IDEFENSE is heavily populated by long serving ex military intelligence officials, such as senior military psy-op intelligence officer Jim Melnick, who served 16 years in the US army and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) in psychological operations. Melnick has also worked directly for former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Intelcenter notoriouslyreleased the “laughing hijackers” tape and claimed it was an Al-Qaeda video, despite the fact that the footage was obtained by a “security agency” at a 2000 Bin Laden speech. IntelCenter was also caught adding its logo to a tape at the same time as Al-Qaeda’s so-called media arm As-Sahab added its logo, proving the two organizations were one and the same. Could the CIA group of "dark skinned actors" have been behind the infamous December 2001 "Fat nosed" Bin Laden video, that was magically found in a house in Jalalabad after anti-Taliban forces moved in? The tape featured a fat Osama laughing and joking about how he'd carried out 9/11. The video was also mistranslated in order to manipulate viewer opinion and featured "Bin Laden" praising two of the hijackers, only he got their names wrong. This Osama also used the wrong hand to write with and wore gold rings, a practice totally in opposition to the Muslim faith. Despite the fact that the man in the video looks nothing like Bin Laden, the CIA stood by it and declared it to be the official "9/11 confession video". The latest revelations also shed light on another past Bin Laden release - a tape in which he ludicrously declared himself in league with Saddam Hussein in the weeks before the invasion of Iraq. The idea that the CIA project was taken over and drastically improved by the Pentagon at some point after 2003 jives with the improvement in quality of Bin Laden videos in later years. Most notably the video that was released immediatelyahead of the 2004 election, and it's digitally manipulated duplicate from 2007, in which Bin Laden appeared to have a dyed beard. For a run down of some of the most notoriously dubious Bin Laden videos see the following article. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 10th, 2011 at 3:40pm
IntelCenter was also caught adding its logo to a tape at the same time as Al-Qaeda’s so-called media arm As-Sahab added its logo, proving the two organizations were one and the same.
Could the CIA group of "dark skinned actors" have been behind the infamous December 2001 "Fat nosed" Bin Laden video, that was magically found in a house in Jalalabad after anti-Taliban forces moved in? The tape featured a fat Osama laughing and joking about how he'd carried out 9/11. The video was also mistranslated in order to manipulate viewer opinion and featured "Bin Laden" praising two of the hijackers, only he got their names wrong. This Osama also used the wrong hand to write with and wore gold rings, a practice totally in opposition to the Muslim faith. Despite the fact that the man in the video looks nothing like Bin Laden, the CIA stood by it and declared it to be the official "9/11 confession video". ___________ if i was an american citizen i would take the CIA to court and get my money back ..with forgiveness for secret squirrel hacks. the once great CIA is caught out yet again... lies have short legs yes truth always comes out namaste |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by gizmo_2655 on May 10th, 2011 at 3:42pm it_is_the_light wrote on May 10th, 2011 at 3:40pm:
If YOU were an american citizen...you'd be in Gitmo..and we'd be happy.. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 11th, 2011 at 4:54am
who is 'we'?
you speak for other people? you are quick to comfort hate yet still brother being whom i do LOVE this hatred you invoke will not bode well for thee beloved i forgive you and understand you seek to yet still cultivate your ego even though it has been cut to shredded ribbons at the hand of CHRISTED LIGHT within me and backed up with concrete science delivered unto all your mistruths and mis representations that you have been caught repeating time after time with forgiveness this does not effect unto me dear one.. are you comforted? im interested in your feedback upon the subject of your willful shortcommings and what you seek to do to rectify these is there enough hours in the day? we shall see,i wont be holding my breaths for you see,i will not be responsible for any others' freewill choice ignorance and egomaniacle huberis abounds within and around you without judgement yet observation for your dilemas of which there are many from my viewpoint forgiven namaste -:) |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 11th, 2011 at 9:40am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k75h0nHv7xM&feature=feedu
Ventura doesn't buy The Bin Laden Hoax PT1 |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by GH on May 11th, 2011 at 11:01am
You can count me in the "WE"
it_is_the_light wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 4:54am:
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 11th, 2011 at 11:08am
lies, lies and more lies. They keep doing it because people keep believing it.
ring ring....ring ring "and we'll just break into this telephone conversation to bring you a warning that an Al Queda terrorist is coming to a town near you." I have a new text message "this is the department of homeland security bringing you a warning that an Al Queda terrorist is coming to a town near you." I'm all set up and ready to watch a tele movie, but I'm rudely interrupted.... "and we'll just break into this movie to bring you a warning that an Al Queda terrorist is coming to a town near you." FEAR AND CONTROL |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Equitist on May 11th, 2011 at 11:12am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 11:08am:
The true terrorists at work...within... |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 11th, 2011 at 11:15am
<<You can count me in the "WE">>
............................................ And the charge would be? Oh! that's right they don't need to have one. America are running around like scared little girlie boys. 'Trade your liberty for security and you have neither' Benjamin Franklin |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 11th, 2011 at 11:24am
You can count me in the "WE"
___________ thanks for the clarification and i would not be suprised a red devil does not comfort the CHRIST this does not effect unto me beloved does this comfort you? further what say you upon all the other text i have uttered here with forgiveness toward your weak grunt against all encompassing LIGHT...and realization this is all you have.. pity may be invoked somewhat and no sleep lost namaste |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Soren on May 11th, 2011 at 5:08pm
It had to happen like this, whichever way you look at it : an anagram of "Osama bin Laden" is "Lob da man in sea."
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 11th, 2011 at 5:47pm Soren wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 5:08pm:
Very good. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by GH on May 11th, 2011 at 6:07pm Soren wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 5:08pm:
Excellent |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 11th, 2011 at 6:12pm
Apparently former US president George W Bush said when Bin Laden was dead he would dance on Bin Laden's grave - well what's stopping him or is he waiting for a chum bucket to make the water more "resilient and stable".
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by GH on May 11th, 2011 at 7:29pm
For those here who doubt the death of Bin Laden.
Here's the proof from his sons http://www.theaustralian.com.au/the-sons-of-osama-bin-laden-have-said-he-should-have-faced-trial-and-call-for-the-release-of-his-wives-from-pakistan/story-fn8ljzlv-1226053734884 THE sons of Osama bin Laden have broken their silence, by denouncing his "arbitrary killing" and burial at sea as the United States sought to question the al-Qa'ida leader's widows. In a statement given to the New York Times, the sons asked why their father "was not arrested and tried in a court of law so that the truth is revealed to the people of the world." "We maintain that arbitrary killing is not a solution to political problems," it said. In a separate statement, the sons also slammed the "criminal mission" ordered by US President Barack Obama which "obliterated an entire defenseless family." Bin Laden was killed by US forces on May 2 after being tracked down to a Pakistani compound where the architect of the September 11, 2001 attacks is believed to eluded capture for years, despite a massive global hunt. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 11th, 2011 at 7:59pm
It is Bin Laden's best interests to go along with the US charade.
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 11th, 2011 at 8:06pm perceptions_now wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 1:01pm:
The President will address the nation at 10.30 pm (12.30 AEST on Monday), the White House says. Which means that the President made his address Sunday the 1st May. and from the link "A top secret operation involving a small team of US special forces was responsible for an attack on bin Laden's hideout early on Sunday, US time. The Saudi-born terrorist, who had evaded capture for a decade, was killed in the ensuing firefight. "After a firefight they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body," US President Barack Obama said." SUNDAY, the 1st May. But now the US claim Bin Laden was killed by US forces on May 2 (Monday). Even Wikipedia has been altered to be Monday 2nd May. Can't the US get their charade right? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 11th, 2011 at 8:08pm creep wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 7:59pm:
Unless you're an ultra-conservative Muslim, bin Laden had about as much respect for you and yours as sewerage. I'm not naive to American tactics and what they'll do to protect their interests... But as I've told Abu before, who, being a real Muslim (well, a Muslim convert... so likely a fanatical believer), would understand that, when you pick a dogfight, something Islam understands, you'd better have the bigger dog in the fight. Death was the appropriate and inevitable fate for bin Laden. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 11th, 2011 at 8:10pm
"President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, along with members of the national security team, receive an update on the mission against Osama bin Laden in the Situation Room of the White House, in this May 1, 2011 handout photo"
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/osama-bin-laden-operation-code-geronimo/story?id=13507836 The US advised that the mission lasted 40 minutes. SO the US watched Bin Laden get killed on 1st May. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 11th, 2011 at 8:11pm
May 1, 2011
Osama bin Laden is dead http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/01/national/main20058777.shtml Guess the US have a few more media outlets to advise of the change in the date of the death. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 11th, 2011 at 8:14pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 8:08pm:
Not in dispute, what is in dispute is whether the Pakistan raid on Sunday 1st May actually resulted in Bin Laden being killed. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 11th, 2011 at 8:22pm
<<Not in dispute, what is in dispute is whether the Pakistan raid on Sunday 1st May actually resulted in Bin Laden being killed. >>
............................................................................. It seems it was on the 2nd of May now. I think there are too many other anniversaries on the 1st, and what's in a day when not one thing you've said hasn't been changed at least once. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 11th, 2011 at 8:26pm creep wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 8:14pm:
bin Laden is dead. Make no mistake about it. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 11th, 2011 at 8:27pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 8:22pm:
Actually it matters. When the US wish to change the date purely for "convenience" then it does not give their story of any death credibility. One thing still has not changed - proof of Bin Laden being killed. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 11th, 2011 at 8:29pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 8:26pm:
Yes, the US were not able to prove that he was alive prior to 1st May, and now they cannot prove that he is dead after the 1st May. So that is the US's proof. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 11th, 2011 at 8:36pm creep wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 8:29pm:
His exact date of death depends on the time zone... But bin Laden stylised himself as a quasi-prophet... And he was obsessed with his role as such... The world will never hear from him again, because he is dead. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 11th, 2011 at 8:43pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 8:36pm:
Ok look at this then as it seems that the US announced that Bin Laden was killed on Sunday 1st May as per this link (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/01/national/main20058777.shtml). And this link even shows the US president on the 1st May watching the killing. But now the US have retracted that and declared Bin Laden died a day later - after they had already buried him at sea! As the US claim Bin Laden now died Monday 2nd May (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/world/02osama-bin-laden-obituary.html) It is interesting to see that the New York Times reports Bin Ladens death on SUnday 1st May as well (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/world/asia/osama-bin-laden-is-killed.html) The New York Times reports the death as 1st May, then they've reported it as the 2nd May. We heard that the US kept changing their reports leading up to the alleged death but surely the US can get their story straight about the actual date of the death. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 11th, 2011 at 8:45pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 8:36pm:
It'd be nice to be able to believe that but alas, the US destroyed all proof. No wait, they refuse to release their "proof". |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 11th, 2011 at 8:48pm
The US released that photo of who they thought was Bin Laden sitting watching the television, but when it was revealed that that was the owner of the building then how on earth can any facial recognition be relied upon. If the US didn't even know what Bin Laden looked like then it really doesn't give much confidence in the US story at all.
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 11th, 2011 at 8:49pm creep wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 8:43pm:
Time zones are a problem. Date of death is therefore relative. Are there any reports that have his date of death beyond May 2? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 11th, 2011 at 9:14pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 8:49pm:
Well time zones appears to be the problem. The present time in Washington is 7.05am. That is, Washington is 14 hours behind us. Here this shows that Obama announced the death at 1.34PM AEST, which would be 11.34PM Sunday 1st May (or 9 hours behind Pakistan) Pakistan time is around 5 hours behind AEST. So you'd be correct which would explain it. http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2011/05/02/161735_local-news.html |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 11th, 2011 at 9:33pm creep wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 9:14pm:
Or 2 May, 11:34AM AWST. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 12th, 2011 at 10:30am
This successful operation reminds me a perfect quote -
"Whoever is responsible for this sickening attack on our people should know this. They should run, they should run and then spend every day looking over their shoulder, because we are coming for them. Whether this takes one month, one year or one decade, Israel will avenge every one of these deaths and we will serve out the required punishment to every terrorist involved in this atrocity" Golda Meir, Israeli Prime Minister in response to the Olympic massacre of Israeli athletes. Israel conducted operations in which Mossad painstakingly tracked each Arab terrorist responsible and executed each one where they found them - from Morocco to Europe to Egypt. Obama has followed a perfect example of what to do. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 12th, 2011 at 10:57am "Whoever is responsible for this sickening attack on our people should know this. They should run, they should run and then spend every day looking over their shoulder, because we are coming for them. Whether this takes one month, one year or one decade,".... __________ and so it is these freemasonics should do so, or forgive themselves NOW this will not effect unto the CHRISTED ones fear not for i am with thee namaste |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 12th, 2011 at 11:59am
Osama should have been given a fair trial & then hanged at a special gallows
set up on the WTC site - shown live on TV. Then there would be no question that he was dead or not. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 12th, 2011 at 12:15pm
http://www.infowars.com/osama-bin-ladens-son-questions-assassination-claim/
Osama bin Laden’s Son Questions Assassination Claim Infowars.com May 11, 2011 Fox News mocks the idea that accused criminals — including supposed terrorists — deserve a trial. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl6GX3ofeiI&feature=player_embedded Bin Laden's Son: Father Assassinated, International Law Violated |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 12th, 2011 at 8:14pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 12th, 2011 at 10:30am:
What successful operation? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by mavisdavis on May 12th, 2011 at 9:45pm creep wrote on May 12th, 2011 at 8:14pm:
Taking the garbage out. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 12th, 2011 at 11:00pm Bobby. wrote on May 12th, 2011 at 11:59am:
The man is dead. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 12th, 2011 at 11:57pm creep wrote on May 12th, 2011 at 8:14pm:
The execution of a terrorist. As successful as Golda Meir's Operation Wrath of God. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by astro_surf on May 13th, 2011 at 12:12am Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 12th, 2011 at 11:57pm:
It wasn't an execution. An execution implies a killing takes place under law. That was a straight out hit. Not to say I wasn't pleased that he was killed (if he really was killed!), just that it was a hit. Definitely NOT not an execution. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 13th, 2011 at 2:47am
wheres the proof of life?
the proof of death? there is none...the preverbial dog ate the USs' homework as it were, and so it is with forgiveness namaste |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 13th, 2011 at 3:21am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ksatFd8gkY&feature=feedu
Proof: Bin Laden Death Another Gov't Lie Alex Jones debunks the legacy of lies that fill the pages of the phony War on Terror narrative-- killing bin Laden, 9/11, Iraq, all of it-- in a special video address. This "war" which has consumed our society is nothing more than a dramatized narrative meant to frighten the simple, captive public into accepting greater societal control. Bin Laden was a strawman-villain concocted by the Western intelligence apparatus to take the blame for the orchestrated terror that is scripted and carried out by the globalist-allied factions. The Phantom Osama bin Laden was a skeleton key opening the door to foreign intervention in the middle east or anywhere al Qaeda might be. The motive is simple-- ever-expanding wars for the military industrial complex, and the often more lucrative periods of reconstruction (i.e. you break it, you buy it). The occupation continues here at home with the creation of a police state supposedly meant to combat terrorism. So rotten is the "big lie" of the War on Terror, that the most iconic events of the period are the most contrived. The official story about the killing of bin Laden disintegrated in mere days, as no one could keep the story straight. But it's just the latest episode of a fairy tale that's been sold to the public for nearly a decade; this story, told with a straight face, is not simply riddled with lies, but wholly subsists of them. Everything has been lie-- cooked-evidence about WMDs in Iraq, bogus claims about mobile weapons labs & yellow cake, the Hollywood-scripted Jessica Lynch-incident, the shameful murder of Pat Tillman, the false-flag attacks on 9/11, sticking it to the victims' families & first responders, manufacturing links between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda, false-flag scenarios in the Downing Street memos, planted flash mobs at the White House & Ground Zero cheering 'We got him' to boost appeal for Obama, phony bin Laden videos faked by assets at SITE and the Intel Center, Osama's CIA identity Tim Osman, secret backing for the Taliban in 1979, fake terror alerts-- all of it. Alex appeals to the facts in the historical record and an instinctual rejection of the pure lies put out by the establishment. You don't want to miss this video; hopefully you can use it to reach those who felt "renewed" by reports of bin Laden's death and are accepting the big lies all over again for the thrill of celebrating "the kill." It's a shoddy hoax to bolster public support, but even that illusion is falling apart. The L.A. Times reports that Obama's "bin Laden bump" has already fallen back to Earth with the rate of gravity. After all, the system has no credibility, and cheap lies about bin Laden have minimal value. Such easily exposed lies can be dumped on Obama as political baggage just as easily as it can boost him in the polls. The persistence of the Left-Right paradigm allows Obama & Bush alike to be dumped on for the failures & frauds of the system, actually giving cover to the continuity of government agenda, which milks power from the perceived need for greater "safety" measures as well as failed leadership. Category: News & Politics ________________ concrete science and facts if anyone can disprove what alex is saying here i will leave this thread with grace namaste |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 13th, 2011 at 5:46am Bobby. wrote on May 12th, 2011 at 11:59am:
True. But now there is no proof at all. Just a fanciful story that has not been established as the US keep changing it. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 13th, 2011 at 6:13am creep wrote on May 13th, 2011 at 5:46am:
Why is it that the likes of you want to believe that bin Laden is not dead? Even al Qaeda has confirmed he was killed last week. If al Qaeda wanted to lie about his death, they could have done so years ago... They did not. They, along with his entire family have confirmed it now. If Pakistan could wriggle out of the mess they're in because of the location of bin Laden's death, they would. They can't because they know its true. He was killed at exactly the time and place the Obama Administration announced last week. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by GH on May 13th, 2011 at 7:50am
'Why is it that the likes of you want to believe that bin Laden is not dead?'
Because they are ignorant and foolish idiots |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Yadda on May 13th, 2011 at 7:53am creep wrote on May 13th, 2011 at 5:46am:
Unless i can raise his body from the depths of the Arabian sea, and unless i can plunge my hand deep into OBL's putrid rotting body, and pull out his putrid rotting heart with my own hands, and hold it aloft, i will not believe, ......that OBL is dead. Honest. /sarc off Have i told you the story about the faeries at the bottom of my garden ? +++ Psalms 37:1 Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity. 2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb. Job 14:1 Man that is born of a woman is of few days, and full of trouble. 2 He cometh forth like a flower, and is cut down: he fleeth also as a shadow, and continueth not. 3 And dost thou open thine eyes upon such an one, and bringest me into judgment with thee? 4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one. 5 Seeing his days are determined, the number of his months are with thee, thou hast appointed his bounds that he cannot pass; 6 Turn from him, that he may rest, till he shall accomplish, as an hireling, his day. Ecclesiastes 9:1 For all this I considered in my heart even to declare all this, that the righteous, and the wise, and their works, are in the hand of God: no man knoweth either love or hatred by all that is before them. 2 All things come alike to all: there is one event to the righteous, and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the unclean; to him that sacrificeth, and to him that sacrificeth not: as is the good, so is the sinner; and he that sweareth, as he that feareth an oath. 3 This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead. 4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 13th, 2011 at 10:54am
America knew for sure that Bin laden's courier was living at that compound in Abbottabad in 2008. It has been proven by Wikileaks on the cables from the American Embassy.
How can they now say they found his courier in August 2010 and have been watching the compound until the strike. Why didn't America go after Osama in 2008? Because they knew he wasn't there. They are caught in a web of their own lies. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 13th, 2011 at 10:58am
Pansi - The terrorist organization themselves have admitted that he is dead.
He is dead. Good, rejoice in that for once please. Remember all of the innocent people who are dead because of him, we must avenge their deaths and we must continue to fight against Muslim extremism wherever we find it. I don't often praise Obama - but his sending in of US forces across the world to achieve this aim - he deserves praise. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 13th, 2011 at 11:01am
Chandler, AZ.
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 13th, 2011 at 11:13am
<<He is dead.>>
........................... At last we agree on something. The real terrorist organisation known as Al Queda did say that he is dead. They said it in 2001. SITE, which is an American organisation said he was killed on the 1/2 May this year. Bin laden's "family" would be from SITE. Al Queda's right hand man said that Osama Bin laden died in 2001. He said this in 2001. The real Al Queda organisation have not commented to my knowledge. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by GH on May 13th, 2011 at 11:16am
His son, who is not very old, gave an interview on TV. I watched it. However I do not recall if it was a British or an American one.
He said that his father at least should have been given a trial |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 13th, 2011 at 11:18am GH wrote on May 13th, 2011 at 11:16am:
Since when did we give a flying bugger what families of terrorists think? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 13th, 2011 at 11:19am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13th, 2011 at 11:13am:
A cross-party Committee have seen the photos of Bin Laden dead. They agree the ones following his removal are too gruesome to release. These are senior Republicans - they have no interest in pumping Obama's tires up. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by GH on May 13th, 2011 at 11:22am
http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/317852/bin-laden-family-condemns-killing-while-wife-says-one-son-escaped
Bin Laden family condemns killing |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by darkhall67 on May 13th, 2011 at 11:25am
http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html
CORUSCANT — Obi-Wan Kenobi, the mastermind of some of the most devastating attacks on the Galactic Empire and the most hunted man in the galaxy, was killed in a firefight with Imperial forces near Alderaan, Darth Vader announced on Sunday. In a late-night appearance in the East Room of the Imperial Palace, Lord Vader declared that “justice has been done” as he disclosed that agents of the Imperial Army and stormtroopers of the 501st Legion had finally cornered Kenobi, one of the leaders of the Jedi rebellion, who had eluded the Empire for nearly two decades. Imperial officials said Kenobi resisted and was cut down by Lord Vader's own lightsaber. He was later dumped out of an airlock. The news touched off an extraordinary outpouring of emotion as crowds gathered in the Senate District and outside the Imperial Palace, waving imperial flags, cheering, shouting, laughing and chanting, “Hail to the Emperor! Hail Lord Vader!” In the alien protection zone, crowds sang “The Ten Thousand Year Empire.” Throughout the Sah'c district, airspeeder drivers honked horns deep into the night. “For over two decades, Kenobi has been the Jedi rebellion’s leader and symbol,” the Lord of the Sith said in a statement broadcast across the galaxy via HoloNet. “The death of Kenobi marks the most significant achievement to date in our empire’s effort to defeat the rebel alliance. But his death does not mark the end of our effort. There’s no doubt that the rebellion will continue to pursue attacks against us. We must and we will remain vigilant at home and abroad.” Obi-Wan Kenobi ’s demise is a defining moment in the stormtrooper-led fight against terrorism, a symbolic stroke affirming the relentlessness of the pursuit of those who turned against the Empire at the end of the Clone Wars. What remains to be seen, however, is whether it galvanizes Kenobi’s followers by turning him into a martyr or serves as a turning of the page in the war against the Rebel Alliance and gives further impetus to Emperor Palpatine to step up Stormtrooper recruitment. In an earlier statement issued to the press, Kenobi boasted that striking him down could make him "more powerful than you could possibly imagine." How much his death will affect the rebel alliance itself remains unclear. For years, as they failed to find him, Imperial leaders have said that he was more symbolically important than operationally significant because he was on the run and hindered in any meaningful leadership role. Yet he remained the most potent face of terrorism in the Empire, and some of those who played down his role in recent years nonetheless celebrated his death. Given Kenobi’s status among radicals, the Imperial Galactic government braced for possible retaliation. A Grand Moff of the Imperial Starfleet said late Sunday that military bases in the core worlds and around the galaxy were ordered to a higher state of readiness. The Imperial Security Bureau issued a galactic travel warning, urging citizens in volatile areas “to limit their travel outside of their local star systems and avoid mass gatherings and demonstrations.” The strike could deepen tensions within the Outer Rim, which has periodically bristled at Imperial counterterrorism efforts even as Kenobi evidently found safe refuge it its territories for nearly two decades. Since taking over as Supreme Commander of the Imperial Navy, Lord Vader has ordered significantly more strikes on suspected terrorist targets in the Outer Rim, stirring public anger there and leading to increased criminal activity. When the end came for Kenobi, he was found not in the remote uncharted areas of Wild Space and the Unknown Regions, where he has long been presumed to be sheltered, but in a massive compound about an hour’s drive west from the Tatooine capital of Bestine. He had been living under the alias "Ben" Kenobi for some time. ------------------------------------------ Pharking funny article from The Galactic Times. Readers comments are great too. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by GH on May 13th, 2011 at 11:25am
I think if his family say he's dead, that would be a fait complis
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Baronvonrort on May 13th, 2011 at 11:47am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 13th, 2011 at 11:13am:
Al Qaedah confirmed OBL was recently martyred they have released a few statements about this. If you want to read what Al Qaeda says about OBL click on the link and check 7th and 9th of may. http://theunjustmedia.com Lots of Jihad updates worth reading as well. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by bobbythebat1 on May 13th, 2011 at 11:58am
Let's move on.
Osama is dead - now comes the hunt for Ayman al-Zawahiri & the other terrorists. see link: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/11/pakistan.al.qaeda.most.wanted/index.html?hpt=C2 |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 13th, 2011 at 12:21pm
andrei <<These are senior Republicans - they have no interest in pumping Obama's tires up.>>
..................................................................... That Republican man said it wouldn't cause too much controversy to release the photo's from the boat. Except that photo shopped pics are easy to recognise. I think you forget who started the war in Afghanistan and created the boogey man in the first place. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 13th, 2011 at 1:24pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 13th, 2011 at 10:58am:
The US had not heard from OBL since Jan 2010. The US did not know where OBL was, even the stake out which was costing millions and had exhausted its budget, was not able to confirm that the occupant was OBL. When the US released that photo of a supposedly dead OBL watching tv it showed that the US did not know what OBL looked like. Again, it is in OBL's best interests to go along with the US claim of his death. I would also like to believe that OBL is dead for the atrocities that he masterminded, but the fact is there is no proof. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 13th, 2011 at 3:31pm
SITE INTELLIGENCE GROUP
http://news.siteintelgroup.com/ They sell the terrorism, create the fear, and provide the solution. They are a propaganda arm if the CIA. Run by Jews who admit to being at war with Islam. Good source for your information.....NOT! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by GH on May 13th, 2011 at 3:45pm
What have we here?
A raving screwball conspiracy theorist antisemite Do us all a favour and crawl back into the sewer to join your friends the rats. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 13th, 2011 at 5:21pm GH wrote on May 13th, 2011 at 3:45pm:
LOL |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by pansi1951 on May 13th, 2011 at 6:33pm
The following link will take you to the US cable that refers to Bin laden's courier Maulawi Abd al-Khalin Jan - they knew where he was in 2003, so why did they wait until August 2010 to put the house under surveillance?
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/87933-interrogation-file-of-abu-faraj-al-libi.html#document/p5/a17091 |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 13th, 2011 at 11:44pm
Here's the story that I imagine is the most likely scenario....
bin Laden was killed at exactly the time and place that Obama announced Urbi et Orbi... His body, in the custody of American uber-patriots (the Navy SEALS) was buried at sea, as reported... Only not in one piece... My guess is that they carved him up into pieces, taking extra care to defecate on every part before they tossed the dismembered bits of his anatomy into the sea as fodder for gulls and sharks. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by it_is_the_light on May 14th, 2011 at 7:24am
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ksatFd8gkY&feature=feedu[media]
Proof: Bin Laden Death Another Gov't Lie ploaded by TheAlexJonesChannel on May 11, 2011 http://www.infowars.com/55914/ Alex Jones debunks the legacy of lies that fill the pages of the phony War on Terror narrative-- killing bin Laden, 9/11, Iraq, all of it-- in a special video address. This "war" which has consumed our society is nothing more than a dramatized narrative meant to frighten the simple, captive public into accepting greater societal control. Bin Laden was a strawman-villain concocted by the Western intelligence apparatus to take the blame for the orchestrated terror that is scripted and carried out by the globalist-allied factions. The Phantom Osama bin Laden was a skeleton key opening the door to foreign intervention in the middle east or anywhere al Qaeda might be. The motive is simple-- ever-expanding wars for the military industrial complex, and the often more lucrative periods of reconstruction (i.e. you break it, you buy it). The occupation continues here at home with the creation of a police state supposedly meant to combat terrorism. So rotten is the "big lie" of the War on Terror, that the most iconic events of the period are the most contrived. The official story about the killing of bin Laden disintegrated in mere days, as no one could keep the story straight. But it's just the latest episode of a fairy tale that's been sold to the public for nearly a decade; this story, told with a straight face, is not simply riddled with lies, but wholly subsists of them. Everything has been lie-- cooked-evidence about WMDs in Iraq, bogus claims about mobile weapons labs & yellow cake, the Hollywood-scripted Jessica Lynch-incident, the shameful murder of Pat Tillman, the false-flag attacks on 9/11, sticking it to the victims' families & first responders, manufacturing links between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda, false-flag scenarios in the Downing Street memos, planted flash mobs at the White House & Ground Zero cheering 'We got him' to boost appeal for Obama, phony bin Laden videos faked by assets at SITE and the Intel Center, Osama's CIA identity Tim Osman, secret backing for the Taliban in 1979, fake terror alerts-- all of it. Alex appeals to the facts in the historical record and an instinctual rejection of the pure lies put out by the establishment. You don't want to miss this video; hopefully you can use it to reach those who felt "renewed" by reports of bin Laden's death and are accepting the big lies all over again for the thrill of celebrating "the kill." It's a shoddy hoax to bolster public support, but even that illusion is falling apart. The L.A. Times reports that Obama's "bin Laden bump" has already fallen back to Earth with the rate of gravity. After all, the system has no credibility, and cheap lies about bin Laden have minimal value. Such easily exposed lies can be dumped on Obama as political baggage just as easily as it can boost him in the polls. The persistence of the Left-Right paradigm allows Obama & Bush alike to be dumped on for the failures & frauds of the system, actually giving cover to the continuity of government agenda, which milks power from the perceived need for greater "safety" measures as well as failed leadership. Category: News & Politics |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 14th, 2011 at 8:39am
The easiest and quickest way to stop the theorists and confirm the US story is simply release the videos up to the shooting.
That would then prove that OBL was there. As to what happened next, I'm not going to then dispute. I just want the proof that he was there in the first place. But the US refuse to or are unable to prove that. Until the US release the tapes then there will always be doubt as to the true story. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 14th, 2011 at 9:46am creep wrote on May 14th, 2011 at 8:39am:
True, but only in the minds of idiots. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 14th, 2011 at 9:53am NorthOfNorth wrote on May 14th, 2011 at 9:46am:
Only the idiotic have accepted the US story that has no credibility to it. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 14th, 2011 at 10:10am creep wrote on May 14th, 2011 at 9:53am:
Including the entire Pakistani government, the entire Pakistani military and the Pakistani ISI who must now bear accusations of collusion or incompetence? ;D In the minds of Pakistanis, their nation is now facing its greatest humiliation (Not just world ridicule and disdain but - their greatest shame - Indian open contempt for Pakistan's institutional integrity). If there was any way Pakistan's military and Intelligence agency could disprove the US account of bin Laden's location at his time of death, they would, without a nanosecond's hesitation, be doing it. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 14th, 2011 at 10:13am NorthOfNorth wrote on May 14th, 2011 at 10:10am:
Watch as the idiotic will try to divert the lack of proof of OBL death. Why doesnt the US prove that OBL wa sthere in the first place. A multi million dollar surveilance by the US failed to even prove to themselves, that he was there beforehand. So not even the US believed that OBL was there! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Maeve on May 14th, 2011 at 10:18am |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 14th, 2011 at 10:33am creep wrote on May 14th, 2011 at 10:13am:
And yet the Pakistanis (who have the most to lose) accept that he was there and killed at the date and time announced by the Obama administration... Exactly as the Indian intelligence always suspected. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 14th, 2011 at 10:40am NorthOfNorth wrote on May 14th, 2011 at 10:33am:
But no proof. Why is it that the US before the raid were not able to confirm OBL's presence, but they were there for months on end. Why is that. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 14th, 2011 at 11:03am creep wrote on May 14th, 2011 at 10:40am:
What makes you think the Pakistanis do not have proof? They took custody of all living residents at the compound including bin Laden's wives. Is you need to believe in conspiracy so tenacious that you're prepared to overlook the effect of Pakistan's humiliation over this matter? What is your theory regarding Pakistan's acceptance that bin Laden was in Abbottabad and killed there by the US? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 14th, 2011 at 11:30am NorthOfNorth wrote on May 14th, 2011 at 11:03am:
As stated previously, it would be in OBL's best interest to go along with this story from the US. Who knows OBL may well have died earlier, as afterall the US had not heard from or had any confirmation of OBL being alive since Jan2010. And even then the US were not entirely convinced.The US did not know if he was still alive at all. As for conspiracies, why did the US release an 'old' photo of a supposed OBL watching tv? If any that just added to the view that the US did not know what OBL looked like. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 14th, 2011 at 11:52am creep wrote on May 14th, 2011 at 11:30am:
Again, what makes you think the Pakistanis do not have proof that bin Laden died in Abbottabad 2 weeks ago? The US has not released photo/video evidence to the public... This does not mean they did not release everything they had to the Pakistani government. Not a single senior Pakistani military officer denies or doubts the US report on bin Laden's death... General Pasha, the head of the Pakistani ISI, offered to resign over the affair, the ultimate humiliation for a General of a quasi-military state... The Taliban has just murdered 80 Pakistani paramilitary cadets in retaliation for Pakistani military and intelligence services failure to prevent bin Laden's death. Pakistan's pain over this is going to continue and maybe worsen over the coming months... In other words, they have everything to lose, over the truth of bin Laden's detection and killing in Abbottabad, and yet they accept that it is undeniable. Why, in the interests of apprehending truth, are you not willing to consider what Pakistan stands to lose over this? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 9:54am NorthOfNorth wrote on May 14th, 2011 at 11:52am:
So you're resting your proof on OBL being there at the raided location simply because the Pakistanis say that he was. Even though Pakistan never advised the US beforehand nor confirmed his existence beforehand. The US did not know that OBL was there, they only had their top level intelligence telling them that. And that top level intelligence was wrong previously when the US went all gung ho. The house/compound under surveillance by the US for months still did not confirm the US's top intelligence. Even when the alleged OBL was out in the open in the yard of the compound, the US could observe the person in broad daylight but the US could not identify him. And the US watched that person for months as well. So still with no actual confirmation from their sources and their surveillance the US launch a raid as they had to do something due to exhausting their budget millions. The US had NOT heard from OBL since Jan2010 and even then the US were not entirely convinced that that video was OBL. The US did not know what OBL looked like back then rather the US were using older photos of OBL. The US stuffed up their supposed proof of OBL being at the compound when they released a photo of the owner of the compound watching tv, thinking that that was OBL. So for (at least) the last 18 months the US did not know what OBL looked like today. What makes you think that the Pakistanis are identifying OBL as being there or are simply going along with the US due to the missiles that the US have been launching at Pakistan. If the US kept attacking your country with missiles wouldn't you tell them what they wanted to hear as well hoping then that their bombardments and killings would stop? If OBL really was there and Pakistan knew that he was then why didnt they confirm his whereabout before the bombings? Or is just that the bombings were used to convice Pakistan to confirm that OBL was there and killed to stop the bombings. And why ask Pakistan if OBL was killed at the compound, no Pakistani official was there, so how would Pakistan know. If any, all Pakistan could advise would be that OBL may have been there at some stage. Not that he was there when the US raided. Again, if the US really had OBL at that compound then why not show the video of him being there when the SEALS found him before they shot the alleged OBL? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 12:23pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 9:54am:
So now we have the US that says he was there and killed there, the Pakistani government, military and ISI that admit he was there and killed there, al Qaeda that concedes he was there and killed there and bin Laden's family who lament that he was there and killed there. And you have? What? Your need to believe that he wasn't. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 12:26pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 12:23pm:
Yes we have the US bombing Pakistan until they confirm OBL was there. We don't have Pakistan confirming OBLs death, only that he was in Pakistan And you have what proof apart from the US propaganda of OBL being there, but guess what - no pictures or proof from the US. The best way to stop the US chasing you is to get the US to believe you are dead. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 12:33pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 12:26pm:
How do you do that? BTW the Pakistani military, ISI and government were quite happy to have the US make incursions into Pakistan to attack the Taliban who are enemies of the Pakistani government as much as they are enemies of the US. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 12:39pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 12:33pm:
If someone says thatyou are dead then go along with it. But as indicated OBL may well have died in 2009/10, the US didn't know. The US had not heard from OBL since Jan10 and that wasn't entirely believed. In otherwords, the US did not know if OBL was still alive. The US have now started the discrediting of the OBL legacy which is paramount to diminish his impact on the extremist nutters. For OBL to discredit the US he could come out from hiding but then the US maybe able to trace that, or at least start a fresh search and devote millions of dollars towards it. But how convenient, when the US's budget ran out that the US were able to suddenly make that raid after months of surveillance - even without confirmation of his presence. But the US didn't even know what OBL looked like, so how could they even claim he was killed in May? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 12:47pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 12:39pm:
Who is this 'someone'? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 12:50pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 12:47pm:
The US. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 12:52pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 12:50pm:
Why would Pakistan accept that he was hiding in Abbottabad and killed there? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 12:57pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 12:52pm:
Pakistan said he was there, not is there. So Paksitan have only confirmed OBL had been in Paksitan. Pakistan were not advised of the US invasion for fear that Paksitan would advise whoever was in the compound. Have the US got any footage of OBL wandering around in Pakistan. Surely they must with all their multi millions spent on surveliannce. So wheres' that, not even satellite footage. The US have been bombing Pakistan. When your country is being bombed you would agree to anything to get them to stop unless you reliate. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 1:11pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 12:57pm:
Every senior Pakistani official has admitted or accepted that bin Laden was in fact in Abbottabad... General Pasha offered to resign over that fact. creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 12:57pm:
The US have been bombing Pakistan's Taliban controlled area with Pakistani collusion. creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 12:57pm:
Pakistan has now been humiliated, probably beyond repair, over the affair... The US never attacked any part of Pakistan that the Pakistani government and military were not aware of and approved of. India now has the upper hand in the diplomatic war of influence over Afghanistan. Pakistan has been relegated to (at the very least) an incompetent state or (at worst) a terrorist state - something India has always maintained. Pakistan lost everything over the bin Laden affair... And yet no senior Pakistani official denies the US reports of bin Ladens location and time of death. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 1:27pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 12:57pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 1:11pm:
Yes but none have confirmed that OBL was killed at the start of the month. NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 1:11pm:
No Pakistan official saw the supposed OBL corpse. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by muso on May 15th, 2011 at 1:35pm
Dead? Nah. E's only resting. Probably just pining for the Hindu Kush.
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 1:39pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 1:11pm:
Thats even more of an "interesting" claim than the conspiracy theorists have suggested. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 1:41pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 1:27pm:
Yes, they did. creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 1:27pm:
That's right. They're OK with incursions into Pakistan to bomb known or believed hideouts of the Taliban. Looks like you're not up with wikileaks revelations, then! creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 1:27pm:
I don't know... But they confirmed he was killed in Abbottabad at the time the US reported. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 1:46pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 1:39pm:
What? You're not reading the wikileaks cables?!! Surely you don't believe Assange is a CIA agent! |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 1:51pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 1:41pm:
without seeing any body NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 1:41pm:
SO why the outrage from Pakistan about the deaths from the missiles that occurred? creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 1:27pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 1:41pm:
And they confirmed without seeing any body So to did the US without knowing what OBL looked like. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 2:07pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 1:51pm:
I don't know. I'm not assuming they did or didn't see the body. What I'm saying is that the Pakistani government, military and ISI confirmed bin Laden was killed in Abbottabad at the time reported by the US. creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 1:51pm:
Read wikileaks cables about the agreement between the US and Pakistan over US incursions into Pakistan. creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 1:51pm:
Again, I don't know. I'm not assuming they did or didn't see the body. What I'm saying is that the Pakistani government, military and ISI confirmed bin Laden was killed in Abbottabad at the time reported by the US. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 2:11pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 1:41pm:
The US are not that interested in the Taliban, rather al qaida And Paksitan know this, so they would not being giving permission to have foreigners blow up their country over Pakistans internal domestic problems. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 2:14pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 2:07pm:
This is to Pakistan going into damage control, to appease the US especially about the exposure and embarrassment of OBL having been within Pakistan. The US need an outside body to confirm the US story, as the US know that their story is flimsy at best. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 3:13pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 2:14pm:
So you think this is Pakistan going into damage control? If they'd had any say about damage control, they'd have assisted with a fake raid and "kill" in the border region where it would have been "OK" if Pakistan didn't know bin Laden's location there... Pakistan would have come out looking "good" (or at least not culpable)... That's damage control. For Pakistan to confirm that bin Laden was in the heart of ISI territory is not damage control... It's a Pakistani national disaster.... And the only reason they confirmed it all... Was because it was true. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 3:16pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 2:11pm:
Again, read some wikileaks cables on Pakistani complicity with the US in their unilateral raids and incursions into Pakistan chasing Taliban. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 6:46pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 3:16pm:
It isn't a very good idea to rely on wikileaks. Rather that the Taliban rarely go outside their country, the US know this and the US know that the taliban aren't the threat to the US but that alqaida are. Sure they are linked but that is about all. So why would the US be trying to provoke the taliban to attack the US in the US? That is, the taliban are an internal Pakistani matter. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 7:05pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 6:46pm:
Are you now suggesting that I read only US reports? creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 6:46pm:
You need to read a bit about the Afghan / Pakistan border region... The tribes there (mainly Pashtun) are related by blood, marriage, culture and fraternity. They are dispersed across both countries. They do not recognise the border and cross at will... US attacks on Taliban in these regions in Afghanistan automatically involve those on the Pakistani side of the border and so the war has spread into Pakistan. "Al Qaeda" is virtually non-existent in Afghanistan and Pakistan... The fighting force in both countries is the Taliban. To complicate the matter, Afghan culture requires that non-Taliban Afghans fight perceived foreign invaders before they fight their own, Taliban or not. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 7:14pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 7:05pm:
Have the taliban attacked the US? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 7:15pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 7:14pm:
You need to read a bit about the Afghan war. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 7:19pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 7:15pm:
So is that a yes or is that a no. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 7:27pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 7:19pm:
It's a suggestion to you to read what happened after the US overthrew the Taliban government in Afghanistan, then was caught up in the current war of attrition as a result of the Taliban insurgency from both Afghanistan and Pakistan. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 7:32pm
So have the taliban attacked the US
Yes or No Dont worry, we both know the answer and we both know why you wont answer it. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 7:35pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 7:32pm:
The point is who the US and the allies (including Australia) are fighting in Afghanistan and why Pakistan is directly involved in that war. You seem to be under the impression they're not fighting a Taliban insurgency. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 7:37pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 7:35pm:
So still not able to say yes or no. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 7:41pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 7:37pm:
Are you not able to comprehend that the Taliban government, having been overthrown by the US and its allies in Afghanistan for harbouring the terrorists responsible for the 9/11 attacks in the US, are now the enemy of the US and its allies in Afghanistan? Don't you think you owe it to Australian troops to understand why they are there at all? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 7:43pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 7:35pm:
You do realise that the taliban is fighting Pakistan and Afghanistan dont you. The taliban arent fighting the US unless the US get in their way within the borders of Pakistan and Fghanistan. Otherwise the taliban arent concerned with the US rather only what is happening within their borders. So as the taliban are not at war with the US then why would Pakistan assist the US to invade their country yet not get information from the US regarding any raid? How can you be assisting an invasion yet not be told about it? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 7:50pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 7:43pm:
The US and its allies are committed to defending and stabilising the current Afghan (Karzai) Government... A commitment they made with the hindsight of the perceived mistake of quitting support for Afghanistan too soon after the Soviet Union was ousted from the country, leaving it to its fate which, as it turned out, was usurped by a fanatical Islamist fighting force (the Taliban) that turned the country into a terrorist state, culminating in 9/11. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 7:50pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 7:41pm:
The taliban government? They havent been in government, rather they had control of Kabul and most of Afghanistan they were not a government. The taliban were booted out by not the US but a combined force including the US and the Brits. The taliban are fighting the Afghans and Pakistan, and even each other as there are two taliban forces. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 7:52pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 7:50pm:
So you say that is was the taliban that caused 9/11? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 7:54pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 7:50pm:
So now you can understand why the US and its allies are involved in a war that straddles both Afghanistan and Pakistan? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 7:58pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 7:54pm:
I already knew why the US was involved in a war, but Pakistan have yet to be invaded officially. There is a war in Afghanistan but no war in Pakistan |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 8:02pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 7:58pm:
That's true... except that in the border region the war has now expanded into Pakistan... And now it appears that at least elements of the Pakistani Government, military and ISI may be actively supporting the Taliban and other Islamist groups including (what's left of) Al Qaeda. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 8:04pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 8:02pm:
So you attribute the taliban for the 9/11 event? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 8:07pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 7:58pm:
Who do you think is the enemy in Afghanistan? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 8:12pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 8:02pm:
the Pakistani taliban is at war with the Pakistani army, & govt. However that taliban have the assistance of the ISI but none from the Afghan taliban. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 8:15pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 8:12pm:
Do you understand the blood-tied issues of the border region between Afghanistan and Pakistan? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 8:20pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 7:52pm:
Any answer yet? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 8:28pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 8:20pm:
When did I suggest that the Taliban 'caused' 9/11? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 8:31pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 8:28pm:
So you saying that they weren't then? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 8:36pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 8:31pm:
They supported the group accused of planning and organising the attack. So, do you now understand why the war has spread to Pakistan via the border region? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 15th, 2011 at 8:36pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 8:36pm:
How did you come to that conclusion? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by life_goes_on on May 15th, 2011 at 8:43pm
Who was responsible for 9/11?
The Rand Corporation. The Lizard People. The Illuminati. The Global Jewish Conspiracy. The Lada Niva Owners Club. The Mormons. The Taliban. Eric, that weird guy who lives down the road. Scientologists. Fiftyfive million Internet nutters. I believe whoever it was was inspired by something they read on the internet. Of course it was just nonsense, but they lacked the basic skills to detect bullshit and went ahead with it anyway. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by helian on May 15th, 2011 at 8:43pm creep wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 8:36pm:
Your turn to answer some questions now... First you thought bin Laden wasn't killed in Abbottabad because you neglected the relativity of timezones. Then there was your concoction of join-the-dots conspiracy theories. Then you told me you don't believe what the US reports... Then advised me not to believe wikileaks. Its clear you had no idea of the complexities of the tribal regions straddling Afghanistan and Pakistan... Now all that's left for you is deflection. Are you generally considered stupid? |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by Baronvonrort on May 17th, 2011 at 6:15pm
It appears the USA also killed one of Osama's sons in the raid on his Pakistan compound.
Read more here - http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f18/photos-show-three-dead-men-bin-laden-45620/ |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 17th, 2011 at 7:31pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 8:36pm:
So youre just making this up as you go along then You really dont understand the Afghan war at all do you. |
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Title: Re: Bin Laden Dead? Post by creep on May 17th, 2011 at 7:44pm NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 8:43pm:
You dont pay attention too much do you I never said that To refresh your memory I said that the US claimed that OBL was killed on 1st May then they changed it to the 2nd May. STill I wont interefere with you changing other people's comments to suit your agenda - whatever that is. NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 8:43pm:
What concoction, or are you still making up stories about other people's posts? NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 8:43pm:
Why would anyone believe the US reports when the US were changing the story every day? Further why would you believe the US when: 1) the US destroyed what they claim was the evidence, 2) the US refuse to release what they say is evidence, 3) the US needed to confirm that OBL was still alive, 4) the US did not know where OBL was, the millions spent and the intelliegence previously was of highest quality and found to be false 5) the US did not even know what OBL looked like, 6) the US had not heard from OBL for well over a year, 7) the US had surveillance on a residence for months on end, and still could not confirm that OBL resided there, 8) the US observed a person at that residence and could not identify that person, 9) the US releases a photo of the owner of the residence and implied that that was OBL, 10) the US invade Pakistan without their knowledge and who the US claim was working with them, 9) NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 8:43pm:
Why would you NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 8:43pm:
Yes it is clear that you are ignorant of the taliban, afganistan and pakistan, and even less knowledgeable about the US, OBL and world politics NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 8:43pm:
Still making up stories I see NorthOfNorth wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 8:43pm:
But it is you who is the gullible gertie and refuse to use any clear thinking. Still not as stupid as you, I'm sure everyone would be if they believed or followed your views. |
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