What is your take on this Abu?

Osama lives on in the hearts and minds of Muslims everywhere.

Allah Uakbar!

Karnal wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 1:58pm:

Osama lives on in the hearts and minds of Muslims everywhere. Allah Uakbar!

Not suprising; which is why you people are to never be trusted by the rest of us.

Pity they didn't kill the terrorist scumbag earlier.

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 1:46pm:

What is your take on this Abu?

let me offer....

Infidels murder a good moslem.

Another example of infidel oppression and violence, against good moslems.

Another example of Western terrorism against good moslems.

Oh well, there goes the Clash of Civilizations. We can all rest in our beds now.

Who's the next enemy of the Free World, Yadda?

Karnal wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 3:27pm:

Oh well, there goes the Clash of Civilizations. We can all rest in our beds now. Who's the next enemy of the Free World, Yadda?

Yadda replies.....     ;D



You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
- - Obi-Wan

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But if it wasn't for 9/11.......

:D

The west condemn Arabs for the stonings and beheadings, but are they any better? While on the surface this may seem like justice being served, it is still sad to see so many people celebrating death. It harkens back to medieval times when stonings and the guillotine brought droves of people to the town square. It appears that our evolution as humans has not shifted so much over the past 500 years.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 6:30pm:

It harkens back to medieval times when stonings and the guillotine brought droves of people to the town square. It appears that our evolution as humans has not shifted so much over the past 500 years.

It only harkens back to a time not so long ago when Palestinians (the recipients of USA aid) were dancing in the street at the news of the WTC destruction.

If it's true, which is most certainly not confirmed yet, then it's really not as big an event as some who are celebrating seem to think.

Osama the man may pass from this world, but Osama the idea will not.

His resistance against the neo-colonialist/corporate establishment of the West will live long beyond his time.

abu_rashid wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 7:38pm:

His resistance against the neo-colonialist/corporate establishment of the West will live long beyond his time.

You forgot military/industrial complex as well as using the word Crusades. Other than that your rant is on track

Thanks salad. Do you want a job as a speech writer?

Abu deleted my picture of the dead Osama.
Why?

What pic ???

http://www.news.com.au/world/osama-bin-laden-dead-us-has-the-body/story-fn8ljm6z-1226048335673

Interesting read ..

Because you spoke ill of him, and because the picture was so poorly photoshopped it didn't deserve to be shown.

abu_rashid wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 8:55pm:

Because you spoke ill of him, and because the picture was so poorly photoshopped it didn't deserve to be shown.

Abu .. our Prime Minister Julia Gillard is speaking ill of Osama too. Are you gonna delete or ban her too???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMrgY4eQkO4&feature=player_detailpage#t=5s

Bobby .. Abu said he deleted you because you spoke ill of Osama.

I am therefore expecting Abu to delete our Prime Minister also.

Lisa Jones wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 9:25pm:

Bobby .. Abu said he deleted you because you spoke ill of Osama. I am therefore expecting Abu to delete our Prime Minister also.

If Abu supports Osama then he has commited an offence
under our terrorism laws.

Bobby. wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 9:26pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:25pm: Bobby .. Abu said he deleted you because you spoke ill of Osama. I am therefore expecting Abu to delete our Prime Minister also. If Abu supports Osama then he has commited an offence under our terrorism laws.

Abu is in mourning atm. As you can see .. he isn't able to tolerate anyone speaking ill of Osama (not even our own Prime Minister).

Perhaps we ought to report him to the Global Mods tomorrow and let them handle it.

Lisa Jones wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 9:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:26pm: Lisa Jones wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:25pm: Bobby .. Abu said he deleted you because you spoke ill of Osama. I am therefore expecting Abu to delete our Prime Minister also. If Abu supports Osama then he has commited an offence under our terrorism laws. Abu is in mourning atm. As you can see .. he isn't able to tolerate anyone speaking ill of Osama... not even our own Prime Minister. Perhaps we ought to report him to the Global Mods tomorrow and let them handle it.

I wouldn't be surprised if he got a knock at the door one day -
it wouldn't be because of me - but his lunatic raves on this public forum.

It appears the pic I used may be fake:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake

Bobby .. you spoke ill of Osama.

Don't do it again or else you will be deleted again!

Lisa Jones wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 9:38pm:

Bobby .. you spoke ill of Osama. Don't do it again or else you will be deleted again!

I wish they could have captured him alive -
given him a fair trial & then hanged him.
That would have been better justice.

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His resistance against the neo-colonialist/corporate establishment of the West will live long beyond his time.

Oh goody, Abu is taking after PN.

abu_rashid wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 8:55pm:

Because you spoke ill of him, and because the picture was so poorly photoshopped it didn't deserve to be shown.

Spoke ill of him? Have you joined the Osama fan club?

I must admit, I'm uncomfortable with the celebratory aspect of Bin Laden's death. To me, it looks like film footage of Iranians shouting curses and burning US flags.

But support for mass murder is not Islamic. It goes against every tennant of Islam and is not what the Prophet taught. Bin Laden is not a martyr. Martyrs are killed defending their faith. Bin Laden was waging an offensive war against both the West and Muslims. The Al Qaeda slaughter of Shi'ites in Iraq showed what those under Bin Laden are all about - Al Qaeda is a political movement, not a spiritual one.

I know this is stating the bleeding obvious, but it needs framing within the context of Islam.

Bin Laden should have been brought to trial - did he actually own up to 9/11? The celebration of an assasination is tawdry and bloodthirsty. Bin Laden should be awaiting trial.

It might also be worth noting that, by all accounts, Bin Laden was a gentle, obliging and humble man in person, which goes completely against his actions, words and deeds.

It just goes to show: you can never pick them. Who was that KAOS agent on Get Smart? Simon the Likeable. The only person who could get the better of him was Maxwell Smart's mother.

Bin Laden's ideas are the product of Western global dominance, consumerism and the breakdown of traditional social values. Add this to his battle against the Soviets and the subsequent mobilization of Islam that occurred as a result, and you step into his shoes a little easier.

Bin Laden is not the only product of wealth who dreams of a riteous cause. However, by his own actions, this cause soured, and the majority of Muslims in the Middle East have turned well away from his message - by their own actions.

Islamic miltancy for its own sake is not riteous. Muslims in the West may long for the simple life of fighting against evil in the mountains of Afghanistan or Pakistan but, like David Hicks, many have come to see it for what it is: a horrible, awful existence and cause that has no redeeming features at all. You die in the snow like all the rest. There is no martyr's funeral and your only legacy is the corpse you leave for the crows.

Hopefully, this message will become clear with Bin Laden's death. Islam is about family and social life - not war. Life is struggle, sure, but the evil is in your own heart, not the grand narrative and external enemy of corrupt, Western values. This exists, but you will never conquer it with bullets and rockets.

In Islam, you conquer it through submission to God. The war is not out there, but within yourself. This is the true beauty of Islam that all the rules, prayers and doctrines aim to reinforce. Hopefully, with Bin Laden's death, Muslims will reflect on the futility of external jihad - just as we did in the West with the end of the Bush years. Well, reflected, anyway.

Islam is not against Christianity or Western values. Much of our own jurisprudence and ideals of social justice were inspired by Islam. The West owes Islam and vice versa. Bin Laden is just as responsible for the illusionary Clash of Civilizations as neocons like Irving Kristol.

We now have the opportunity - through grace, respect and humility - to put this war to rest.

Karnal wrote on May 3^rd, 2011 at 10:49am:

#1, But support for mass murder is not Islamic. It goes against every tennant of Islam and is not what the Prophet taught. #2, Bin Laden is not a martyr. Martyrs are killed defending their faith. #3, Bin Laden was waging an offensive war against both the West and Muslims. The Al Qaeda slaughter of Shi'ites in Iraq showed what those under Bin Laden are all about - Al Qaeda is a political movement, not a spiritual one. I know this is stating the bleeding obvious, but it needs framing within the context of Islam.

You are making a lot of unsubstantiated assertions there Karnal.

Just more unsupported by evidence, pronouncements of Karnal.





#1, The moslem religious war [Jihad] is against all ['unbelieving'] mankind who resist ISLAM's authority....


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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian. Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'" Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us". These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world. ...DDA

Google it.

n.b.
"Killing infidels is a small matter to us"





#2, 'Defending ISLAM', is 'propagating' ISLAM, using violence, and terror - it is commanded by Allah.

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies): spoils have been made lawful to me:"
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:..."
Koran 9.111
v. 9.111, in its guarantee of paradise to those who "fight in His cause, and slay and are slain" for Allah, is clearly encouraging the 'martyrdom' of moslems, in 'the Cause of Allah'.


"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i






#3, Killing 'lapsed' moslems who are not [devout] moslems, is not only permitted, IT IS COMMANDED, BY ALLAH.

Allah's law declares that moslems must never knowingly kill another moslem.

"......If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him."
Koran 4.092, 93

But killing backsliding moslems is OK....read on...

WHAT THE KORAN HAS TO SAY, ABOUT APOSTATES [i.e. 'secular' moslems, also termed 'the Hypocrites']

"Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;- "
Koran 4.88-89

i.e. apostates, 'secular' moslems, 'the Hypocrites', ARE TO BE TREATED AS THOUGH THEY WERE NON-MOSLEMS.

"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed."
Koran 9.73
Koran 66.9

In ISLAM, in the Koran, 'Hypocrites' is 'code' for moslems, who are not moslems.
They should be killed.


"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.

Karnal wrote on May 3^rd, 2011 at 3:17pm:

Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.

Psalms 97:10
Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.

Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Psalms 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6  Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing [deceit]: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Psalms 28:3
Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.
4  Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.

Proverbs 26:24
He that hateth dissembleth with his lips, and layeth up deceit within him;
25  When he speaketh fair, believe him not: for there are seven abominations in his heart.
26  Whose hatred is covered by deceit, his wickedness shall be shewed before the whole congregation.

Funny that. You just posted the same sentiments written in the Koran.

Substantiating my unsubstantiated assertions?

Forgive us all, Father.

Karnal wrote on May 3^rd, 2011 at 4:07pm:

Funny that. You just posted the same sentiments written in the Koran. Substantiating my unsubstantiated assertions? Forgive us all, Father.

The ummah are a closed community.

Those outside ummah have the status of cattle.

i.e.
They can live, while they are 'useful' to moslems, but they are not 'protected'.



ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/fus3_50.html#3.110

n.b. "Whoever......*becomes an unbeliever*.....his blood may legally be spilled."


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11




Allah Akbar.

And who's Ibn Abbas then?

Karnal wrote on May 3^rd, 2011 at 4:26pm:

And who's Ibn Abbas then?

You play the 'innocent' soooo well Karnal.
/sarc off


Google;
Ibn 'Abbas mohammed wiki


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Psalms 97:10
Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.

Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Psalms 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6  Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing [deceit]: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Psalms 28:3
Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.
4  Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.

Proverbs 26:24
He that hateth dissembleth with his lips, and layeth up deceit within him;
25  When he speaketh fair, believe him not: for there are seven abominations in his heart.
26  Whose hatred is covered by deceit, his wickedness shall be shewed before the whole congregation.

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Islam is not against Christianity or Western values.

Is it against freedom of speech or freedom of religion?


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Much of our own jurisprudence and ideals of social justice were inspired by Islam.

Is that where we go the whole 'stone the cheating child bride to death' idea from?


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We now have the opportunity - through grace, respect and humility - to put this war to rest.

Just because osama is dead?

Thank you, effende. Blessings be unto you, insh'allah.

Karnal wrote on May 3^rd, 2011 at 9:42am:

abu_rashid wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 8:55pm: Because you spoke ill of him, and because the picture was so poorly photoshopped it didn't deserve to be shown. Spoke ill of him? Have you joined the Osama fan club?

I'm not a fan - but I see no cause for celebration. There has never been any conclusive proof that Osama was responsible for all these "terrorist" acts - not even 9/11. We are only told what our Jewish media wants us to hear.

Who really knows if he is dead or still alive? Hasn't this same media told us that he's dead on many different occasions over the last decade? Haven't we also been told that they have captured & killed the leader and mastermind of al-Qaeda and named someone else at least a dozen times?

As a result of this so called bounty killing - we can expect these "terrorist" attacks to escalate. If it really was Osama - do you believe those who revere him aren't going to avenge his execution?

mantra wrote on May 3^rd, 2011 at 7:09pm:

As a result of this so called bounty killing - we can expect these "terrorist" attacks to escalate. If it really was Osama - do you believe those who revere him aren't going to avenge his execution?

How can it be called a 'bounty killing' when he was done in by the Military in the course of their duty?

They obviously saved themselves $25 million - or did they? We'll never know.


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The $25 million bounty for Osama bin Laden will go unclaimed.  The FBI had at one point offered anyone who provided information leading to Osama bin Laden's arrest a big payday. However, in early May 2011, President Barack Obama announced that US special forces had found and killed Osama bin Laden.  Obama did not make mention of any one person qualifying for the bounty by providing critical intelligence. http://www.zimbio.com/25+Million+Bounty+for+Osama+bin+Laden/articles/vtZZhAi_d2z/25+Million+Bounty+Osama+bin+Laden+Will+Go

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We are only told what our Jewish media wants us to hear.

Can't wait for Abu to start weaving that one into his little tapestry.

Bobby. wrote on May 2^nd, 2011 at 9:40pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:38pm: Bobby .. you spoke ill of Osama. Don't do it again or else you will be deleted again! I wish they could have captured him alive - given him a fair trial & then hanged him. That would have been better justice.

Oh yeah... fair.
If the ending was going to be the same, why does it matter?

I see a lot of open celebrating of this mans death, I wonder how those celebrating will feel, when his followers use it as an excuse to kill more innocents.

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 12:53am:

Bobby. wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:40pm: Lisa Jones wrote on May 2nd, 2011 at 9:38pm: Bobby .. you spoke ill of Osama. Don't do it again or else you will be deleted again! I wish they could have captured him alive - given him a fair trial & then hanged him. That would have been better justice. Oh yeah... fair. If the ending was going to be the same, why does it matter? I see a lot of open celebrating of this mans death, I wonder how those celebrating will feel, when his followers use it as an excuse to kill more innocents.

It matters because everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence -
no matter how bad the crime they are accused of.

I think this death will mark the end of the war in Afghanistan -
at least the Yanks can say they have won & then pack their bags for home.

Yes bobby, but none of us presume he was innocent.

I just want to know how he can get a fair trial and then hanged in the same sentence.

So we are told -  
::)

I won't repeat my comments on another thread, about ' a media hoax'..  .

Feckless and illusory as it may seem - the US public NEED something to cheer about,  and the US government has to start looking to its own economic wellness.  War has always been a good well paying capitalistic opportunity - up until now.   But now is not like the past.

Bobby is probably right in that they can now leave Afghanistan with some sort of symbolic victory.
Of course the Taliban are the main problem in Afghanistan, not OBL and EQ, -  seems  pretty clear from News over the yrs that EQ is Saudi based - not that the facts ever mean anything in this sort of conflict.! :(

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I see a lot of open celebrating of this mans death, I wonder how those celebrating will feel, when his followers use it as an excuse to kill more innocents.

They're allowed to celebrate it because they're Americans. When their family members die, they actually feel sorrow and grief, not like those Muslims, when their family members die it's just normal for them. They have no rights to revenge, to closure, to justice, to safety, only Americans do, since they are the only worthy humans in this world.

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Feckless and illusory as it may seem - the US public NEED something to cheer about,  and the US government has to start looking to its own economic wellness.  War has always been a good well paying capitalistic opportunity - up until now.   But now is not like the past.

I agree, but there has to be a reason for this circus and the obvious conclusion would be justification in continuing or creating another war.


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They're allowed to celebrate it because they're Americans. When their family members die, they actually feel sorrow and grief, not like those Muslims, when their family members die it's just normal for them. They have no rights to revenge, to closure, to justice, to safety, only Americans do, since they are the only worthy humans in this world.

It tends to look this way Abu. The Americans have a different mindset to the rest of the world. Their excessive consumption far exceeds their production and if it means destroying nations and people to feed their greed, regardless of whether they can pay for it - they'll do it no matter what the cost to human life or the environment.

Perhaps I'll be vilified for saying this but I felt regret that Osama's life ended this way, if it is in fact true - especially when they tried to justify it by saying he may have pushed his wife or child in the line of fire to protect himself. No proof - just more fuel to justify their act.

As some of the others have stated - he should have had a trial, not that it would have been fair - but it would have given us a little faith in the actions of the US.

abu_rashid wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 6:37am:

Quote: I see a lot of open celebrating of this mans death, I wonder how those celebrating will feel, when his followers use it as an excuse to kill more innocents. They're allowed to celebrate it because they're Americans. When their family members die, they actually feel sorrow and grief, not like those Muslims, when their family members die it's just normal for them. They [i.e. moslems] have no rights to revenge, to closure, to justice, to safety, only Americans do, since they are the only worthy humans in this world.

That is a very cynical statement to make Abu, considering that [perhaps ? ] millions of moslems, have been accepted into infidel lands, and that many of those moslems claimed to be fleeing oppression in their own homelands.

And that many of those moslem immigrants were accepted, by the West, as people seeking sanctuary


I, sincerely, do not believe in, or endorse the cynical assertion which you made, above.

But i do not accept that moslems should have the right to live in the West and then, be permitted to practise their religion, as though they were living [for example] in Saudi Arabia.

If moslems themselves, wish to live in the West, then moslems should be willing to abandon those aspects of ISLAMIC life, which clash with the laws and culture of their host nation.

If moslems wish to live as though they are devout moslems, and be able to practice all of their 'religious' 'rights', and the moslem law, then those people, should leave the West, and go to live in a moslem nation.
And i include those people who are Western born converts, who assume the moslem religion and laws.



For example, ISLAMIC custom AND LAW, gives moslems the right to end the life of their children.

We in the West reject such, what is the term, 'religious freedoms'.



e.g.
Moslems living in the West, can surely accept that it is merely JUSTICE, that we expect moslems living in the West should integrate fully with our culture, and accept the culture of the West, in just the same way as Mohammed insisted that non-moslems living in Arabia must accept ISLAM, OR LEAVE ARABIA....

And here the words of Mohammed, speaking to Arabian Jews, about the consequence for their rejection of ISLAM...

"You should Know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to exile you from,,, this land, so whoever among you owns some property, can sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #009.085.077
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.053.392

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 1:24am:

Yes bobby, but none of us presume he was innocent. I just want to know how he can get a fair trial and then hanged in the same sentence.

Because at least that's what they did for Saddam.

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 8:33am:

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 1:24am: Yes bobby, but none of us presume he was innocent. I just want to know how he can get a fair trial and then hanged in the same sentence. Because at least that's what they did for Saddam.

At least he seems to have been treated with more dignaty than Saddam was. What happened at Saddams execution was a bloody disgrace, and it was done by his own countrymen. Where as Mr Benladden, had no countrymen. Not even his country of birth or family wanted his body.

Please do not misunderstand me. I do not feel sorry this man is dead, but I am aware, that this will not stop the slaughter, and may well cause more.
There is one way to stop these people, and if we were to do that, then we would be them.

skippy. wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 9:04am:

bin liner didn't deserve dignity he was a terrorist piece of sh it.

yes skippy, it is easier to think that way. Most of us do.
Then we need to ask ourself what is the difference between this man and the rest of us. If our open celebrating of his death causes more attacks, then we could be seen to be responsable in some eyes for mass deaths.
I don't want to see more innocent people suffer or die because I marched up and down the street chanting because he is dead, or made stupid statements. What is reported by the media and how people react to this is going to cause more attacks on more innocent people. But I guess that will not matter, because the monster is dead. Sorry, but the monster will never be dead, because his idea's live on.

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 9:11am:

skippy. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:04am: bin liner didn't deserve dignity he was a terrorist piece of sh it. yes skippy, it is easier to think that way. Most of us do. Then we need to ask ourself what is the difference between this man and the rest of us. If our open celebrating of his death causes more attacks, then we could be seen to be responsable in some eyes for mass deaths. I don't want to see more innocent people suffer or die because I marched up and down the street chanting because he is dead, or made stupid statements. What is reported by the media and how people react to this is going to cause more attacks on more innocent people. But I guess that will not matter, because the monster is dead. Sorry, but the monster will never be dead, because his idea's live on.

I agree with everything you've written. But, I still say he deserved no dignity in life or death.

abu_rashid wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 6:37am:

Quote: I see a lot of open celebrating of this mans death, I wonder how those celebrating will feel, when his followers use it as an excuse to kill more innocents. They're allowed to celebrate it because they're Americans. When their family members die, they actually feel sorrow and grief, not like those Muslims, when their family members die it's just normal for them. They have no rights to revenge, to closure, to justice, to safety, only Americans do, since they are the only worthy humans in this world.

Except this is not about him being muslim, it is about him being a terrorist and using his idea of what god is to slaughter innocent peoples. Many of those victims were Muslim. Just not his idea of Muslim.

skippy. wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 9:04am:

bin liner didn't deserve dignity he was a terrorist piece of sh it. But Abu still condones him, Abu is not to be trusted either.I hope the feds keep a watchful eye on that terrorist sympathiser too.

Abu is a traitor.

He deleted my post yesterday which said the same thing.

Bobby. wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 10:54am:

skippy. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:04am: bin liner didn't deserve dignity he was a terrorist piece of sh it. But Abu still condones him, Abu is not to be trusted either.I hope the feds keep a watchful eye on that terrorist sympathiser too. Abu is a traitor. He deleted my post yesterday which said the same thing.

yea he'll delete this too when he drags his terrorist condoning sorry ass in here.

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skippy. wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 11:06am:

Bobby. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:54am: skippy. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:04am: bin liner didn't deserve dignity he was a terrorist piece of sh it. But Abu still condones him, Abu is not to be trusted either.I hope the feds keep a watchful eye on that terrorist sympathiser too. Abu is a traitor. He deleted my post yesterday which said the same thing. yea he'll delete this too when he drags his terrorist condoning sorry ass in here.

What we need to remember is that, someone else's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
However Mr Binladden was not a freedom fighter, he was fighting for no homeland.
If you really beleive that he condones terrrorism for any reason, then you should all think about boycotting his board. Or maybe you don't really care enough afterall.

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If you really beleive that he condones terrrorism for any reason, then you should all think about boycotting his board. Or maybe you don't really care enough afterall.

Oh I do boycott this forum usually, I'm just here to rub his nose in the smelly sh it that is extremist religion, in this case Islam. I'm here to rub salt into the wounds.

skippy. wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 11:06am:

Bobby. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 10:54am: skippy. wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 9:04am: bin liner didn't deserve dignity he was a terrorist piece of sh it. But Abu still condones him, Abu is not to be trusted either.I hope the feds keep a watchful eye on that terrorist sympathiser too. Abu is a traitor. He deleted my post yesterday which said the same thing. yea he'll delete this too when he drags his terrorist condoning sorry ass in here.

Of course he'll delete what we've written.
He wants only his views on here.

I find Abu very tolerant. There are quite a few comments left that are offensive. He's very patient considering he has about 90% of the members here giving him a hard time.

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 12:53am:

I see a lot of open celebrating of this mans death, I wonder how those celebrating will feel, when his followers use it as an excuse to kill more innocents.

How quickly we forget. Islam = the religion of peace. Listen to how it rolls off the tongue....Islam is the religion of peace. Say it with me: Islam is the religion of peace.

Now go and write it out 100 times and try not to forget it.

salad in wrote on May 4^th, 2011 at 2:42pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 4th, 2011 at 12:53am: I see a lot of open celebrating of this mans death, I wonder how those celebrating will feel, when his followers use it as an excuse to kill more innocents. How quickly we forget. Islam = the religion of peace. Listen to how it rolls off the tongue....Islam is the religion of peace. Say it with me: Islam is the religion of peace. Now go and write it out 100 times and try not to forget it.

Sorry, my concentration span isn't  long enough to do this for any religion.

I have it on good authority that Osama Bin Larden was "buried at sea" accompanied, and bound by the skin of pigs, and amidst, and amongst various other suitable offal.

It is smart assed people like you that keep wars going. Words should never keep wars going or cause them, but they do.

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Words should never keep wars going or cause them, but they do.

Especially if some groups believe death is a fair punishment for insulting the prophet.

freediver wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 6:35pm:

Quote: Words should never keep wars going or cause them, but they do. Especially if some groups believe death is a fair punishment for insulting the prophet.

No arguement there from me.
I however see no purpose in stiring the pot, knowing that words will cause more senceless deaths. But hey, it is never the fault of those who purposly stir the pot knowing what will happen is it?

What is the difference between stirring the pot and defending freedom of speech?

freediver wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 9:00pm:

What is the difference between stirring the pot and defending freedom of speech?

Just because we have the freedom to say something, does that mean we should reguardless of the lives it will destroy ? or is your freedom to say whatever you want, worth more than the lives of others ?

When does it leave free speech and become incitement?

So if some Muslim nutter threatens to kill anyone who insults Islam, we should all start self censoring and not criticise Islam?

Where do you think that would get us?

Respectfully agree to disagree. There is no point continuing this discussion.

So you support self censorship as a response to attacks on freedom of speech?

Abu has been very quiet for the last day - not a word!

freediver wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 10:06pm:

So you support self censorship as a response to attacks on freedom of speech?

If it means saving lives. Especially lives I have no right to endanger. Sometimes holding one's tongue is the right thing to do. Otherwise, I too would be responsable for mass deaths.
There is a difference to sensoring oneself, and making open ended statements without thought of consequences. Politicians do that too often. Putting mouth into gear before brain is engaged.

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 7:21pm:

freediver wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 6:35pm: Quote: Words should never keep wars going or cause them, but they do. Especially if some groups believe death is a fair punishment for insulting the prophet. No arguement there from me. I however see no purpose in stiring the pot, knowing that words will cause more senceless deaths. But hey, it is never the fault of those who purposly stir the pot knowing what will happen is it?

Threats, and intimidation, and violence, made by wicked evil men, to achieve aims, works.

THAT, is your philosophy of life.





Deborahmac09,

You do not deserve to live as a free person, in an open society, with rights.

People like you would sell your grandparents to knackers yards, would sell their sisters to pimps, and would sell their liberty and rights for a promise of peace.

You are a slave, and that is all you will ever be.




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None can love freedom so heartily, but good men; the rest have not freedom, but licence.
John Hamilton


Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin


The difference between a free man and a slave is that a slave values his life more than his freedom...
John Norman

Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 10:10am:

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 7:21pm: freediver wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 6:35pm: Quote: Words should never keep wars going or cause them, but they do. Especially if some groups believe death is a fair punishment for insulting the prophet. No arguement there from me. I however see no purpose in stiring the pot, knowing that words will cause more senceless deaths. But hey, it is never the fault of those who purposly stir the pot knowing what will happen is it? Threats, and intimidation, and violence, made by wicked evil men, to achieve aims, works. THAT, is your philosophy of life. Deborahmac09, You do not deserve to live as a free person, in an open society, with rights. People like you would sell your grandparents to knackers yards, would sell their sisters to pimps, and would sell their liberty and rights for a promise of peace. You are a slave, and that is all you will ever be. +++ None can love freedom so heartily, but good men; the rest have not freedom, but licence. John Hamilton Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin The difference between a free man and a slave is that a slave values his life more than his freedom... John Norman

Apparently you beleive that your freedom to do and say whatever you like is worth more than someone else's life. I do not.

You are the one selling out your grandparents and everyone else because you don't care that what you say or do can and does hurt other people.
You do not even take responsibility for that.

I do not live free! I think about what I am going to say and do and the consequences, then I weigh it up.

Th problem is most of you don't think about the consequences let alone weigh them up. Tell me, are your children's lives worth you keeping your mouth shut!  Most of you, I bet no. How nice of you to make that choice for them!

Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 10:10am:

[quote author=Deborahmac09 link=1304307981/60#66 Threats, and intimidation, and violence, made by wicked evil men, to achieve aims, works. THAT, is your philosophy of life. Deborahmac09, You do not deserve to live as a free person, in an open society, with rights. People like you would sell your grandparents to knackers yards, would sell their sisters to pimps, and would sell their liberty and rights for a promise of peace. You are a slave, and that is all you will ever be.

You come across as a terrorist yourself Yadda - but a Christian one. It's not a pretty sight.

People are entitled to expess their views without your personal insults.

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

Yadda wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 10:10am: Deborahmac09 wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 7:21pm: No arguement there from me. I however see no purpose in stiring the pot, knowing that words will cause more senceless deaths. But hey, it is never the fault of those who purposly stir the pot knowing what will happen is it? Threats, and intimidation, and violence, made by wicked evil men, to achieve aims, works. THAT, is your philosophy of life. Deborahmac09, You do not deserve to live as a free person, in an open society, with rights. People like you would sell your grandparents to knackers yards, would sell their sisters to pimps, and would sell their liberty and rights for a promise of peace. You are a slave, and that is all you will ever be. +++ None can love freedom so heartily, but good men; the rest have not freedom, but licence. John Hamilton Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin The difference between a free man and a slave is that a slave values his life more than his freedom... John Norman Apparently you beleive that your freedom to do and say whatever you like is worth more than someone else's life. I do not. You are the one selling out your grandparents and everyone else because you don't care that what you say or do can and does hurt other people. You do not even take responsibility for that. I do not live free! I think about what I am going to think and do and the consequences, then I weigh it up. Th problem is most of you don't think about the consequences let alone weigh them up. Tell me, are your children's lives worth you keeping your mouth shut!  Most of you, I bet no. How nice of you to make that choice for them!

You stand for nothing.

You endorse nothing,
.....except protecting your own [and your family's] safety.

IMO, you are a moral pimp.




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The 'prophet' of ISLAM said that, a persons silence is [their] consent, [their] agreement [with what is happening].

Google;
mohammed silence is consent



July 12, 2008
Pakistan: Christian girls kidnapped; captors file for custody, claiming girls converted to Islam
And the police weren't about to be of any help without outside pressure: The girls' father "was told to 'remain silent,' as the officers said the girls had embraced Islam in a written statement."
"Pakistan: Girls kidnapped, allegedly forced to convert,"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021731.php

"The girls' father "was told to 'remain silent,' "




July 14, 2008
Pakistan: 13- and 10-year-old girls abducted, raped, and forced into the fold of Islam
More Christian girls being forced to convert to the religion of peace. As this report notes, the Muslim majority, including the police, are either actively or passively aiding the abductors, a common phenomenon in Muslim majority countries, such as Egypt, where Coptic girls are regularly abducted.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021760.php



update....

July 20, 2008
Pakistan: Court grants custody of Christian girls to Muslim kidnappers
Because they converted to Islam, you see. More on this story. "Pakistan: Court Grants Custody of Girls to Kidnappers," from Compass Direct News, July 18:
 ISTANBUL, July 18 (Compass Direct News) A Pakistani couple has appealed a court decision to award custody of their two daughters, 10 and 13, to the children’s alleged kidnappers. The court based its custody decision on the girls’ conversion to Islam.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021866.php



January 14, 2009
Pakistan: Christian girls drugged, coverted to Islam, sold as sex slaves
Muslim men are permitted to have sex with the "captives their right hands possess" (Qur'an 4:24). "Christian Girls Drugged and Sold As Sex Slaves in Pakistan," from AINA, January 13:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/024393.php


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Deborahmac09,

I sincerely wish that these two Christian girls had been your own children.

Then perhaps you would more perfectly understand your error.

Wishing evil on someone else's children.   :(

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

Wishing evil on someone else's children. Says so much about you.

Deborahmac09,

I know that you don't really mean that.

Because as you assert, we should never say things which may offend others, and cause them to act violently.
/sarc off




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Deborahmac09 wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 7:21pm:

No arguement there from me. I however see no purpose in stiring the pot, knowing that words will cause more senceless deaths. But hey, it is never the fault of those who purposly stir the pot knowing what will happen is it?

IMO,
Words, do not 'cause', are not THE cause, of violence.



IMO, human violence is the result of human insanity.

And personally, i regard all examples of directed violence as not just criminality, but as proof of insanity.



And i would suggest [that as a measure of real sanity, is] that sane ppl don't engage in wanton violence.

A MEASURE OF 'SANITY'.....

I believe that typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself and, or, others around him.



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If you want to see many examples of wanton violence and insanity....

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

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Wishing evil on someone else's children.

It looks like he's lost the plot Deborah and is using some sort of voodoo. Unfortunately this sort of devil worship by Christians is still active in some of the backwater African nations - but it's unusual to see it out in the open here in Australia.

Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 2:27pm:

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 6th, 2011 at 1:58pm: Wishing evil on someone else's children. Says so much about you. Deborahmac09, I know that you don't really mean that. Because as you assert, we should never say things which may offend others, and cause them to act violently. /sarc off +++ Deborahmac09 wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 7:21pm: No arguement there from me. I however see no purpose in stiring the pot, knowing that words will cause more senceless deaths. But hey, it is never the fault of those who purposly stir the pot knowing what will happen is it? IMO, Words, do not 'cause', are not THE cause, of violence. IMO, human violence is the result of human insanity. And personally, i regard all examples of directed violence as not just criminality, but as proof of insanity. And i would suggest [that as a measure of real sanity, is] that sane ppl don't engage in wanton violence. A MEASURE OF 'SANITY'..... I believe that typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society]. And typically, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself and, or, others around him. +++ If you want to see many examples of wanton violence and insanity.... THE RELIGION OF PEACE http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Cut the crap, you wished harm on my daughter(s).
As a survivor of one of the horrors you described and wished on them, this conversation is over!

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 5^th, 2011 at 10:13pm:

freediver wrote on May 5th, 2011 at 10:06pm: So you support self censorship as a response to attacks on freedom of speech? If it means saving lives. Especially lives I have no right to endanger. Sometimes holding one's tongue is the right thing to do. Otherwise, I too would be responsable for mass deaths. There is a difference to sensoring oneself, and making open ended statements without thought of consequences. Politicians do that too often. Putting mouth into gear before brain is engaged.

Deb I started a nbew thread here:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1304675544

Yadda you are a disgusting excuse for a human being. Retract these despicable statements to Deborah immediately

abu_rashid wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 9:15pm:

Yadda you are a disgusting excuse for a human being. Retract these despicable statements to Deborah immediately

....and Bin Laden is the quintessential excuse.

Dear Abu,
I bet you are glad that Osama is now dead after he hijacked
your peace loving religion to kill innocent people?

Aussie, leave aside all the emotional baggage programmed into you by the dishonest media over the past 10-15 years, and go and read a bit about his life. Even his supposed death has turned out to be a classic Maxwell Smart episode on the part of the propagandists in America. We've gone from a long drawn out firefight, where he "cowardly" threw himself behind his wife and was taken out due to his refusal to surrender, which was watched attentively by the "team" back in Washington, to an unarmed man and his wife being callously shot whilst offering no resistance whatsoever, and the video link to home not even being operational.

Everything about this event, is symbolic of the image we've been fed of the man himself (ie. it's all lies designed to exonerate Americans and defame Usamah). He was the bravest most honourable fighter who expelled a superpower from the lands of his fellow Muslims, sacrificing his wealth, health and safety for them. And this time he just happened to pick on the superpower you consider a mate, and so you rubbish him like this.

You are an ignorant fool and I pity you. Wake up and look at the reality of his life.

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Aussie, leave aside all the emotional baggage programmed into you by the dishonest media over the past 10-15 years

You left out the bit about the Jews owning the media.


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to an unarmed man and his wife being callously shot whilst offering no resistance whatsoever

So all his mates shooting back was totally unrelated to him?


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He was the bravest most honourable fighter who expelled a superpower from the lands of his fellow Muslims

You mean Russia?

Bobby, Islam is not the "religion of peace", this is your little strawman, which it seems you're quite content to hack away at.

Islam is the religion for people, and people do engage in both war and peace, and so Islam deals with both, although it states that peace is better and being the aggressor is bad, being the defender is not though.

Usamah was a defender, he responded in kind to those who have been slaughtering Muslims for decades, and I honestly can't understand how you can fault him on that, other than by subscribing to the hypocritical idea that Western lives are worth more than Muslim lives. That's why the U.S are celebrating, that's why they've waged this propaganda campaign against him, because they subscribe to that idea.

Do you subscribe to it too?

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So all his mates shooting back was totally unrelated to him?

The "current revision" of the story is that the man they trailed into the compound returned fire, and was instantly neutralised, after which the rest of the operation was without resistance, as I described above.

Personally I don't think even half the "true" story is out yet. The idea that they executed him, rather than take him prisoner and torture him for information, as they've done with so many others, just doesn't add up at all. The supposed "quick burial at sea" line is going to end up another of the "fog of war inaccuracies" by the time we actually get a more accurate picture I think.

But this is normal when getting information from habitual liars.


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You mean Russia?

The Soviets yes... who else?

So how many people were killed?

abu_rashid wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 8:19am:

Bobby, Islam is not the "religion of peace", this is your little strawman, which it seems you're quite content to hack away at. Islam is the religion for people, and people do engage in both war and peace, and so Islam deals with both, although it states that peace is better and being the aggressor is bad, being the defender is not though. Usamah was a defender, he responded in kind to those who have been slaughtering Muslims for decades, and I honestly can't understand how you can fault him on that, other than by subscribing to the hypocritical idea that Western lives are worth more than Muslim lives. That's why the U.S are celebrating, that's why they've waged this propaganda campaign against him, because they subscribe to that idea. Do you subscribe to it too?

Dear Abu,
And so you support the killing of innocent people by a terrorist organisation?
I am against all war.
In the case of Osama - I am glad they killed him - the world is a better place now.
You seem to forget that it could have been you as a tourist -
visiting the twin towers on 9/11 - who had to jump out the window
or be burnt to death.

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And so you support the killing of innocent people by a terrorist organisation?

Only a half wit would take that away from what I said.


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I am against all war.

Seems to me you're just another mindless peon responding to propaganda.


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In the case of Osama - I am glad they killed him - the world is a better place now.

Is it? Did anything change on that day that he was supposedly killed? Did you feel it? Perhaps you did, since your emotions and sensations seem driven by media propaganda more than reality.

His position helped to even things out a little, and to return some small sense of balance to the onslaughts of the West on the Muslim world. Without him there, or someone else taking his place, I think the situation will only deteriorate. The West will be emboldened and will step up their inhumanities against the Muslim world, believing their main obstacle has been removed.


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You seem to forget that it could have been you as a tourist

Yeh just as I could've been a tourist in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Sudan, Syria, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Lebanon, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Panama, Cambodia etc. when the U.S decided to reign down senseless terror from their skies onto the heads of random civilians.

Seems you are confirming my suspicion that in your little mind the lives of Americans (and other Westerners) are worth something, whilst the lives of others are not.

Abu,

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onslaughts of the West on the Muslim world.

Does that include kicking Saddam out of Kuwait,
an action supported by the Muslim world?

Does that include helping to stop the slaughter of Muslims in Bosnia
voted for by the United Nations?

Does that include making a no fly zone in Libya
to protect Muslims being murdered by Ghadaffi?

Once again - we have history re-written by Abu.

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Seems to me you're just another mindless peon responding to propaganda.

From the Jew owned media?


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Yeh just as I could've been a tourist in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Sudan, Syria, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Lebanon, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Panama, Cambodia etc.

In some kind of training camp?

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Does that include kicking Saddam out of Kuwait, an action supported by the Muslim world? Does that include helping to stop the slaughter of Muslims in Bosnia voted for by the United Nations? Does that include making a no fly zone in Libya to protect Muslims being murdered by Ghadaffi?

Honestly, if you actually believe this tripe, then I'm more astounded than before about how daft you actually are.

I'll leave you to mull over the former U.S assistant defense secretary Lawrence Korb's assessment of these "altruistic" U.S bombings of Muslim countries: “If Kuwait grew carrots, we wouldn’t give a damn.”

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In some kind of training camp?

fd grow up.

Abu, you are the one accusing everyone else of falling victim to propaganda. Your propaganda is the most chilidish thing around here.

Bobby.

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(1)Does that include kicking Saddam out of Kuwait,    an action supported by the Muslim world? (2)Does that include helping to stop the slaughter of Muslims in Bosnia     voted for by the United Nations? (3)Does that include making a no fly zone in Libya    to protect Muslims being murdered by Ghadaffi?

Abu

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Honestly, if you actually believe this tripe, then I'm more astounded than before about how daft you actually are.

Dear Abu,
I stated 3 facts that I am prepared to back up with links but
I feel it's just a waste of time with you.
First of all you have to be prepared to accept facts
& not re-write history with your Islamic fundamentalist slant.

abu_rashid wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 9:15pm:

Yadda you are a disgusting excuse for a human being. Retract these despicable statements to Deborah immediately

Deliberately exaggerated 'outrage'.


Abu,

Let me repeat what i said to Deborahmac09, with emphasis on what i actually said....




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Deborahmac09, I sincerely wish that these two Christian girls had been your own children. Then perhaps you would more perfectly understand your error.

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Deborahmac09 wrote on May 6^th, 2011 at 2:40pm:

Cut the crap, you wished harm on my daughter(s).

Your accusation, is a blatant misrepresentation of what i said.

FACT;
How would i, or anyone else in this forum KNOW that you have two daughters ???

Even now, i certainly don't know that, for a fact.




I was speaking directly of, of, of, of, those two young girls who were abducted and raped, wishing that you would have some empathy with the parents of those two young girls.

But in your tirade against me, you expressed not one word of sympathy for those two Christian girls, 13-years old and 10-years old,
WHO WERE ABDUCTED AND RAPED.


YOU, should be ashamed.


Dictionary;
empathize = = understand and share the feelings of another.

My accussation is, you wished harm on my children. Don't try and weasel out of it now. I have in no way exagerated my outrage. You took something that happened to two girls and wished it on my children.
It is a pitty that you do not care about all children, the way you supposidly care about these Christian children.
It happens all over the world, it doesn't matter where, to whom, or who the perpetrators are, it disgusts me the same. I will not single out children of a religion because it might have more shock value.

Deborahmac09 wrote on May 8^th, 2011 at 1:23am:

My accussation is, you wished harm on my children. Don't try and weasel out of it now. I have in no way exagerated my outrage. You took something that happened to two girls and wished it on my children. It is a pitty that you do not care about all children, the way you supposidly care about these Christian children. It happens all over the world, it doesn't matter where, to whom, or who the perpetrators are, it disgusts me the same. I will not single out children of a religion because it might have more shock value.

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Deborahmac09, I sincerely wish that these two Christian girls had been your own children. Then perhaps you would more perfectly understand your error.

I repeat, i have no knowledge that you have children.

I was speaking of these two children and the anguish of their parents.


YOUR reply, it is about me, me, me,    ....and MY children.

We can all see, where you are coming from.




Not selflessness.

But, me, me, me.


Dictionary;
selfless = = concerned more with the needs and wishes of others than with one’s own.

It was not about me, it was about hurting my children. Something that is already happening.  Am I protective of them, Yes. Do I fear for one of their safty, yes. Because she is being stalked by her ex who has threatened to kill her. All we can legally do is keep records. Perhaps I over reacted, all i want to do is protect my kids, something you are condemning me for. While telling me I should think about how their parents feel. I already know! We feel powerless.

<<“If Kuwait grew carrots, we wouldn’t give a damn.”>.
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hear! hear!