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Lisa Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 3237 Sydney Gender:  Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter Reply #16 - Today at 5:00pm    Deborahmac09 wrote on Today at 4:38pm: What he did was for his own ego, nothing more, nothing less. You mean like Hitler? It's very disturbing to see Abu viewing Osama in any positive light.

lisa - that's what islamics do.
he should be charged and deported

Because he has a different opinion to you?

Whatever happened to disagreeing with what you say, but defending to the death your right to say it?

Perhaps you'd prefer a caliphate.

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 5:57pm:

Quote: Lisa Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 3237 Sydney Gender:  Re: NZ MP Farewells Freedom Fighter Reply #16 - Today at 5:00pm    Deborahmac09 wrote on Today at 4:38pm: What he did was for his own ego, nothing more, nothing less. You mean like Hitler? It's very disturbing to see Abu viewing Osama in any positive light.   lisa - that's what islamics do. he should be charged and deported

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1304762876/0#0

I've essentially moved the topic across to Spirituality.

Now you can have your say without being deleted.

Karnal wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 6:45pm:

Because he has a different opinion to you? Whatever happened to disagreeing with what you say, but defending to the death your right to say it? Perhaps you'd prefer a caliphate.

because islamics wish is to dominate the world.

osama is not in any way spiritual

Karnal wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 6:45pm:

Because he has a different opinion to you? Whatever happened to disagreeing with what you say, but defending to the death your right to say it? Perhaps you'd prefer a caliphate.

Bin Laden wasn't just talking. He was organising the murder of thousands. Are you defending his rights to do that?

Yes. Being a soft-headed Paki Bugger, you immediately equivocate between Voltaire and terrorism, like a good Saidist.

Soren wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 9:22pm:

Karnal wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 6:45pm: Because he has a different opinion to you? Whatever happened to disagreeing with what you say, but defending to the death your right to say it? Perhaps you'd prefer a caliphate. Bin Laden wasn't just talking. He was organising the murder of thousands. Are you defending his rights to do that? Yes. Being a soft-headed Paki Bugger, you immediately equivocate between Voltaire and terrorism, like a good Saidist.

Another caliphate fetishist.

Forgiven.

Abu, however, is guilty until proven innocent.

Karnal wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 9:26pm:

Soren wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 9:22pm: Karnal wrote on May 7th, 2011 at 6:45pm: Because he has a different opinion to you? Whatever happened to disagreeing with what you say, but defending to the death your right to say it? Perhaps you'd prefer a caliphate. Bin Laden wasn't just talking. He was organising the murder of thousands. Are you defending his rights to do that? Yes. Being a soft-headed Paki Bugger, you immediately equivocate between Voltaire and terrorism, like a good Saidist. Another caliphate fetishist. Forgiven. Abu, however, is guilty until proven innocent.

Ummah, Ummah
Stick it up your jumpah.




(as you apostate paki buggers say up in Bradford)

Ummah, Ummah
Stick it up your jumpah

Hmm .. I must remember that one lol :)

Pakistan number 1. Amerika number 10.

Karnal wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 9:34pm:

Pakistan number 1. Amerika number 10.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P7Zd-x2QXw&feature=related

Abu must renounce terrorism or go to jail to have time to repent.

I heard on the radio the other day that Aussie Govt. security agencies
watch our political forums very closely.
If so - Abu is on their list of terrorist sympathisers unless
he's an ASIO plant to  draw out like minded scum?

Remember what George Bush said?


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You're either with us or you're with the terrorists

Abu doesn't have a choice with that statement.

Abus latest islamic mindlessness ..........

he is ok with osama being a mass murderer, but him viewign porn is a western setup !!!!!!

murdering us infidels is ok, checking out women is not ?

must be an islamic

That's because it's EXACTLY what they would plant. Ridiculous.

The Middle East is porn-viewing central.

It's a pity that he didn't receive a trial. It would have done the victims some good, and he could have then rotted away in obscurity in some remote penitentiary, where hopefully he could have attracted the 'affections' of bubba and friends.

Instead, they gave him a quick death and an instant martyrdom.

However even the worst villains in history were known to be affable at times, Hitler included. On ABC National last night, I heard an amazing account of a schoolgirl who visited General Noriega during the Coindinistas crisis.  Her account showed him to be a very caring person (in his spare time).

In many cases, some pretty abominable things have been done  by people who feel passionate about a particular cause.  They say that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

However it is true that history is written by the victors.

Do you really think that the jihadis would have accepted the jurisdiction of a non-sharia court in NYC?

Soren wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 1:09pm:

Do you really think that the jihadis would have accepted the jurisdiction of a non-sharia court in NYC?

Alas, they don't seem to accept the jurisdiction of the non-Sharia Navy Seals.

Karnal wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 1:39pm:

Soren wrote on May 16th, 2011 at 1:09pm: Do you really think that the jihadis would have accepted the jurisdiction of a non-sharia court in NYC? Alas, they don't seem to accept the jurisdiction of the non-Sharia Navy Seals.

Sheik Bharruck Hussein O'Bama al-Presidenshid al-Amerikani sent them. That Hussein must count for something. Not many Christians or Jews are called Hussein. Still no good?

Is Prez Hussein an apostate or a taqiyya-merchant?

I don't think Abu should be allowed to be a moderator here unless
he renounces terrorism in all it's forms.

muso wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 11:10am:

It's a pity that he didn't receive a trial. It would have done the victims some good, and he could have then rotted away in obscurity in some remote penitentiary, where hopefully he could have attracted the 'affections' of bubba and friends. Instead, they gave him a quick death and an instant martyrdom.

The capture and a trial of bin Laden would have been out of the question... It would most likely have had the potential to regalvanise support for an organisation that has virtually already been destroyed. Al Qaeda lost the hearts and minds of Arab Muslims a long time ago. The Afghani Taliban, I'd say, are as relieved as the Americans that bin Laden is gone... Even more so that he was not located in Afghanistan. The greatest casualty of the location and killing of bin Laden is Pakistan. The diplomatic fallout from this (Pakistani) disaster will be huge for that country.

They have been exposed as corrupt, treacherous and not worthy of leading diplomatic initiatives in the region...

The nation that stands to gain the most out of this Pakistani mess is India, which can now take the moral and diplomatic upper hand in redefining the region over the next few years.

In the western world, I don't think that it's been such a big thing. All too little, all too late.

We got no pics and no satisfiable proof for the "Johnny come lately" extermination of a world-wide pest.
It doesn't mean too much now that the damage is done.

All that it means is that our "government" is not taking sides with us

I wouldn't have expected to see any more less than what they have displayed.
I am not disappointed when they have merely lived up to my non-expectation. I always knew that they were dirty filthy pieces of crap.

There is no victory in getting Osama's head now. It's all too late.

They failed. And they will not even show us the head now.

I want to see the head!!! Right now!!!!! ...Those failures.

...but fail to submit a tax return...and yeah....there's nowhere to hide.i

So I've heard that the titles include:

Islam Bam Thank you Ma'am
Dahab does Dalalabad
Goatback Mountain, and
Boobie trap

Bobby. wrote on May 17^th, 2011 at 12:04am:

I don't think Abu should be allowed to be a moderator here unless he renounces terrorism in all it's forms.

bobby, bobby, bobby,    ....you dumb, dumb, infidel!

Of course Abu renounces terrorism in all it's forms.



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According to ISLAM / moslems...

Terrorism is what non-moslems are guilty of.



Good moslems will declare [to non-moslems] until they are blue in the face, that;


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All moslems condemn terrorism.

But when moslems make such assertions, moslems never reveal that...

ISLAMISTS define 'terrorism' as, ...resisting Allah's will [to spread Allah's 'perfect' religion].

Google;
terrorism, is resisting islam

i.e.
Whenever non-moslems try to resist the ISLAMISATION of their society, or try to prevent ISLAMIST violence.
....good moslems present such actions [within their own moslem community], as 'oppression' and 'violence' against moslems by non-moslems!

Hence such actions by non-moslems, are regarded as 'terrorism' - by good moslems.


e.g.


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Bashir calls bombers 'counter-terrorists' June 26, 2007 HARDLINE Islamic cleric Abu Bakar Bashir said today that extremists blamed for Indonesian bombings were role models for other Muslims and feted them as "counter-terrorists." "There are no terrorists in Indonesia. What there are, are counter-terrorists," Bashir said. ......But he called on Indonesian Muslims to refrain from accusing people of terrorism, saying it would be tantamount to assisting the US. Bashir spoke at a press conference to announce plans, together with 13 lawyers from the "Team for the Defence of Muslims," to file a suit demanding that Indonesia's counter-terrorism police unit be disbanded. Lawyer Munarman alleged that the counter-terrorism squad was financed opaquely by the US, sought to make war against Islam and used torture to secure admissions from suspects. He also said that the squad was discriminatory as it only acted against Muslims, adding the team planned to file the suit on tomorrow at the South Jakarta district court. Bashir has redoubled his efforts to get Sharia law enforced in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, since his release from prison.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21973518-23109,00.html



and...

'AGGRESSION IS SOMETHING ONLY INFIDELS DO'


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"......[resorting] to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of "opening" the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad. Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Qur'an and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists. Unbelievers who stand in the way, CREATING OBSTACLES FOR THE DA'WA, ARE BLAMED FOR THIS STATE OF WAR, for the da'wa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it. IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE WHO RESIST ISLAM CAUSE WARS and are responsible for them. .....Aggression is something only infidels do. .....it is not seen as aggression or war when Muslims attack non-Muslims. On the contrary, it is seen as aggression when non-Muslims resist the Islamization of their lands and thus "place obstacles in the way" of the spread of Islam. They are defying the will of Allah.......subjugation to Islam alone can bring peace..... ......[To the ISLAMIST mind, 'aggression' is...] When non-Muslims do anything to preserve their culture and resist the Islamization of their country."

"ISLAM SEEKS PEACE - Oh really!"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258072652/1#1


n.b.
"......[resorting] to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of "opening"

i.e.
When moslems use violence against 'unbelievers', moslems are merely 'inviting' non-moslems to embrace ISLAM [...and hoping that non-moslems will have the common-sense to accept their 'invitation', to enjoy the 'peace' which ISLAM offers to all men].
/sarc off


That, is the twisted logic which all good moslems fully embrace, a 'logic' which is used to justify all of their violence against 'unbelievers'.



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more on this moslem SOPHISTRY here...

"Sharia Australia"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295543010/13#13


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The truth is that ISLAM is a deceptive and violent philosophy, a cult, which creates a mental pathology, in those human beings who embrace it.

That mental pathology which afflicts all good moslems, is so all encompassing, that all moslems will deny any accountability for the consequences of their own choices.

And moslems always place all of the blame, for the consequences of moslem violence against non-moslems, upon the victims [of moslem violence].    [e.g. Jews, Israel]

Moslems always reject all accountability, for the consequences of THEIR OWN INTENTIONS, AND THEIR OWN ACTIONS IN THE WORLD.

Yadda wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 8:28am:

Whenever non-moslems try to resist the ISLAMISATION of their society, or try to prevent ISLAMIST violence. ....good moslems present such actions [within their own moslem community], as 'oppression' and 'violence' against moslems by non-moslems!

e.g.


"Five Australian jihadists convicted - Sister, 'its not fair' "
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/15/2819965.htm
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/australia-5-jihadists-motivated-by-intolerant-inflexible-religious-conviction-sentenced-to-prison-te.html


"..The sister for one of the convicted men said...that the sentence is not fair to her community or religion."

It was reported, that her brother liked to watch videos of moslems beheading non-moslems, and now he can't,
...for a very long time.

And it's just not fair!!

Australians laws are so unfair.


COMMENT;

This woman clearly identifies herself as a moslem.

And has clearly declared that she believes,
"...that the sentence is not fair to her community or religion."

As a moslem, this woman [along with all moslems] is effectively declaring;

"ISLAM gives us moslems the right to use violence to impose our value system upon you non-moslems.
Your non-moslem laws are illegal, and unjust.
And it is evil, and unjust, for you to use your laws to resist our Jihad, against you."



COMMENT;

And i assure you, imo, that that, is the mindset which all good moslems share.

i.e.
Moslems are always innocent, and always 'victims'.

And whenever non-moslems try to resist the ISLAMISATION of their society, or try to prevent ISLAMIST violence associated with moslems trying to spread the influence of ISLAM, non-moslems are always portrayed [within the moslem community] as persecuting and oppressing, innocent moslems.


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The victims of ISLAMIC Jihad violence, are ALWAYS portrayed [by moslems] as aggressors, for defending themselves from the violent, murderous, rage of ISLAM's adherents.

Merely to criticise moslem violence [towards non-moslems], is portrayed by moslems, as the 'oppression' of moslems.

Soren wrote on May 16^th, 2011 at 10:41pm:

Karnal wrote on May 16th, 2011 at 1:39pm: Soren wrote on May 16th, 2011 at 1:09pm: Do you really think that the jihadis would have accepted the jurisdiction of a non-sharia court in NYC? Alas, they don't seem to accept the jurisdiction of the non-Sharia Navy Seals. Sheik Bharruck Hussein O'Bama al-Presidenshid al-Amerikani sent them. That Hussein must count for something. Not many Christians or Jews are called Hussein. Still no good? Is Prez Hussein an apostate or a taqiyya-merchant?

Effende, you listen to Sarah Palin. This is very good, number one lady. She will be next president of US of A.

In my country, we love Amerika. It is India that is cause of all problems in world today.