Malcolm Turnbull has once again highlighted the inadequacy of the Coalition's Climate Change policies, and for all the potential swinging voters, who could never entertain supporting a Coalition led by Tony Abbott, we are watching with keen interest, and anticipation that this may be the start of Turnbull's campaign to retake the leadership of the Liberal party.

With the amount of media support that Abbott has managed to garner for his anti-Carbon Tax stance, based on his own, personal, rejection of the scientific communities findings on Global Warming, it seems that Turnbull is prepared to stand by his belief in the need to seriously address the Climate change issue, and may be making a bold move where the winner takes all, leadership of the Libs, and leadership of the Nation, as our next PM.

I sincerely hope he is successful for the sake of the country, and it's future generations.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/19/3220796.htm

mozzaok wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:20pm:

Malcolm Turnbull has once again highlighted the inadequacy of the Coalition's Climate Change policies, and for all the potential swinging voters, who could never entertain supporting a Coalition led by Tony Abbott, we are watching with keen interest, and anticipation that this may be the start of Turnbull's campaign to retake the leadership of the Liberal party. With the amount of media support that Abbott has managed to garner for his anti-Carbon Tax stance, based on his own, personal, rejection of the scientific communities findings on Global Warming, it seems that Turnbull is prepared to stand by his belief in the need to seriously address the Climate change issue, and may be making a bold move where the winner takes all, leadership of the Libs, and leadership of the Nation, as our next PM. I sincerely hope he is successful for the sake of the country, and it's future generations. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/19/3220796.htm

I dont know about turbull   .But gillard has the HOTS FOR ABBOTT she neverstops talking about him   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Is Turnbull making his move?

God I hope so.

Yeh he is moving to labor. Thats the only move he can make.

progressiveslol wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:30pm:

Yeh he is moving to labor. Thats the only move he can make.

That would be even better.
He's the best choice in the existing parliament by a mile, if we could get him and keep the Libs out of power ,even better, win/ win .

Dunno if he's making a serious move - but it is about time that he started to test the waters...

Meantime, Uriah Hunt has reportedly-hinted that the Libs would impose a $15/tonne price on carbon - without any compensation to households...

Business Leaders are also growing impatient with Abbott's recklessly-destabilising, counter-productive and destructive antics...

So, will Newspoll and other right-wing-oriented pollsters get the hint - and take the risk of conducting a long-overdue national poll over the Lib leadership!?

progressiveslol wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:30pm:

Yeh he is moving to labor. Thats the only move he can make.

True. Coalition supporters voted for Mr Abbott 10% more than Turnbull. Gillard, on the other hands, was dead even with Rudd with Labor supporters.

Gillard is a political “dead woman walking” but just doesn’t know it yet.  When the “night of the long knives” come for her, I will shout a round at my local.

Turnbull is a Liberal man through & through, and he is paying the “right-arm” of the Libs back in the same way Costello paid them back for not supporting him against Howard.

He’s just content on giving them the occasional poke by saying; “well, look what you missed out on”.  

Yes. Australia’s total planetary global carbon emissions is 1.5%. Gillard’s carbon tax will decrease these emissions by 0.004% of 1.5% over the next 18 years.

This is suppose to help the planet?  

culldav wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 2:06pm:

Yes. Australia’s total planetary global carbon emissions is 1.5%. Gillard’s carbon tax will decrease these emissions by 0.004% of 1.5% over the next 18 years. This is suppose to help the planet?

every little bit, and everyone participating helps.

What a cullnuff.

culldav wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 2:00pm:

Gillard is a political “dead woman walking” but just doesn’t know it yet.  When the “night of the long knives” come for her, I will shout a round at my local. Turnbull is a Liberal man through & through, and he is paying the “right-arm” of the Libs back in the same way Costello paid them back for not supporting him against Howard. He’s just content on giving them the occasional poke by saying; “well, look what you missed out on”.

How could she not know?

Quote:

Equitist - So, will Newspoll and other right-wing-oriented pollsters get the hint - and take the risk of conducting a long-overdue national poll over the Lib leadership!?

Good point!

mozzaok wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:20pm:

Malcolm Turnbull has once again highlighted the inadequacy of the Coalition's Climate Change policies, and for all the potential swinging voters, who could never entertain supporting a Coalition led by Tony Abbott, we are watching with keen interest, and anticipation that this may be the start of Turnbull's campaign to retake the leadership of the Liberal party. With the amount of media support that Abbott has managed to garner for his anti-Carbon Tax stance, based on his own, personal, rejection of the scientific communities findings on Global Warming, it seems that Turnbull is prepared to stand by his belief in the need to seriously address the Climate change issue, and may be making a bold move where the winner takes all, leadership of the Libs, and leadership of the Nation, as our next PM. I sincerely hope he is successful for the sake of the country, and it's future generations. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/19/3220796.htm

"I have his FULL support"





OPPOSITION Leader Tony Abbott says Malcolm Turnbull "fully supports" the Coalition's policy on tackling climate change.
Mr Turnbull told ABC Lateline last night the chief advantage of the Coalition's direct action policy was that it could be easily abandoned.

Mr Turnbull, who lost the Liberal leadership in 2009 over his support for an emissions trading scheme but remains on the frontbench, also said it was "very expensive" to pay polluters directly to reduce emissions.

But Mr Abbott said today that his frontbench supported the "direct action" policy.

"I saw Malcolm on Lateline. I thought he gave a very strong performance under a bit of goading and provocation," Mr Abbott said at the Sanitarium food plant in NSW.

"Malcolm and I talk regularly about these subjects and he fully supports the Coalition policy."

Mr Abbott said that encouraging the reduction of emissions through funding new technology and carbon farming was the "smart way" to address climate change, while a carbon tax was the "dumb way".

He said both Labor and the Coalition supported a five per cent cut in emissions by 2020.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard said in Adelaide, ahead of a community cabinet meeting tonight, Mr Abbott was out of touch.

She said Mr Turnbull had let the "cat out of the bag" about the cost and effectiveness of the Coalition policy.

"He told us the truth that it would blow the Budget, and he told us the truth that the rest of the world is acting too," Ms Gillard said.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/abbott-says-turnbull-backs-carbon-plan/story-e6frf7jx-1226058936918

matty wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 2:09pm:

culldav wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:00pm: Gillard is a political “dead woman walking” but just doesn’t know it yet.  When the “night of the long knives” come for her, I will shout a round at my local. Turnbull is a Liberal man through & through, and he is paying the “right-arm” of the Libs back in the same way Costello paid them back for not supporting him against Howard. He’s just content on giving them the occasional poke by saying; “well, look what you missed out on”.   How could she not know?

We are talking about Juliar here; she would have to be the dopiest thing walking around on two legs.  LOL

skippy. wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:33pm:

progressiveslol wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 12:30pm: Yeh he is moving to labor. Thats the only move he can make. That would be even better. He's the best choice in the existing parliament by a mile, if we could get him and keep the Libs out of power ,even better, win/ win .

The best choice to be in opposition after the next election. Liberals kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

Equitist wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:50pm:

Dunno if he's making a serious move - but it is about time that he started to test the waters... Meantime, Uriah Hunt has reportedly-hinted that the Libs would impose a $15/tonne price on carbon - without any compensation to households... Business Leaders are also growing impatient with Abbott's recklessly-destabilising, counter-productive and destructive antics... So, will Newspoll and other right-wing-oriented pollsters get the hint - and take the risk of conducting a long-overdue national poll over the Lib leadership!?

Do the left have what it takes (balls) to call a new election... I didnt think so.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 2:08pm:

culldav wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:06pm: Yes. Australia’s total planetary global carbon emissions is 1.5%. Gillard’s carbon tax will decrease these emissions by 0.004% of 1.5% over the next 18 years. This is suppose to help the planet?   every little bit, and everyone participating helps. What a cullnuff.

That is just dumb. nuff

progressiveslol wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 2:19pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:08pm: culldav wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:06pm: Yes. Australia’s total planetary global carbon emissions is 1.5%. Gillard’s carbon tax will decrease these emissions by 0.004% of 1.5% over the next 18 years. This is suppose to help the planet?   every little bit, and everyone participating helps. What a cullnuff. That is just dumb. nuff

no I agree. Let's sit on our hands and let everyone else worry about. Right? That's the smart thing to do!

Another nuff to add to the list. one I should've added a long time ago.

culldav wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 2:14pm:

matty wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:09pm: culldav wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:00pm: Gillard is a political “dead woman walking” but just doesn’t know it yet.  When the “night of the long knives” come for her, I will shout a round at my local. Turnbull is a Liberal man through & through, and he is paying the “right-arm” of the Libs back in the same way Costello paid them back for not supporting him against Howard. He’s just content on giving them the occasional poke by saying; “well, look what you missed out on”.   How could she not know? We are talking about Juliar here; she would have to be the dopiest thing walking around on two legs.  LOL

What about Oakeshott?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 2:21pm:

progressiveslol wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:19pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:08pm: culldav wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:06pm: Yes. Australia’s total planetary global carbon emissions is 1.5%. Gillard’s carbon tax will decrease these emissions by 0.004% of 1.5% over the next 18 years. This is suppose to help the planet?   every little bit, and everyone participating helps. What a cullnuff. That is just dumb. nuff no I agree. Let's sit on our hands and let everyone else worry about. Right? That's the smart thing to do! Another nuff to add to the list. one I should've added a long time ago.

I dont know anyone that said do nothing. I hear plenty of people who dont even believe in your AGW cult, but are willing to appease you by doing something, not nothing, but certainly not what you nuts are asking.

We are going to have to go renewable at some time, so we can do a little now and be ready in time.

Quote:

What about Oakeshott?

Yea Turnbull would be a great leader, matty.

progressiveslol wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 2:24pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:21pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:19pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:08pm: culldav wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:06pm: Yes. Australia’s total planetary global carbon emissions is 1.5%. Gillard’s carbon tax will decrease these emissions by 0.004% of 1.5% over the next 18 years. This is suppose to help the planet?   every little bit, and everyone participating helps. What a cullnuff. That is just dumb. nuff no I agree. Let's sit on our hands and let everyone else worry about. Right? That's the smart thing to do! Another nuff to add to the list. one I should've added a long time ago. I dont know anyone that said do nothing. I hear plenty of people who dont even believe in your AGW cult, but are willing to appease you by doing something, not nothing, but certainly not what you nuts are asking. We are going to have to go renewable at some time, so we can do a little now and be ready in time.

Exactly, which is why doing a little by implementing incentive is the right way to go.

Unless of course you think transforming to renewable will come from growing more trees?

Seriously a nuff.  mega nuff.  almost on par with cullnuff.

skippy. wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 2:24pm:

Quote: What about Oakeshott? Yea Turnbull would be a great leader, matty.

Better than Tony or Pauline, that's for sure.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 2:29pm:

progressiveslol wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:24pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:21pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:19pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:08pm: culldav wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:06pm: Yes. Australia’s total planetary global carbon emissions is 1.5%. Gillard’s carbon tax will decrease these emissions by 0.004% of 1.5% over the next 18 years. This is suppose to help the planet?   every little bit, and everyone participating helps. What a cullnuff. That is just dumb. nuff no I agree. Let's sit on our hands and let everyone else worry about. Right? That's the smart thing to do! Another nuff to add to the list. one I should've added a long time ago. I dont know anyone that said do nothing. I hear plenty of people who dont even believe in your AGW cult, but are willing to appease you by doing something, not nothing, but certainly not what you nuts are asking. We are going to have to go renewable at some time, so we can do a little now and be ready in time. Exactly, which is why doing a little by implementing incentive is the right way to go. Unless of course you think transforming to renewable will come from growing more trees? Seriously a nuff.  mega nuff.  almost on par with cullnuff.

Well I personally would say stuff you nuff nuts and dont appease them. But hey thats me. Think yourself lucky there are enough people around to appease your AGW bible bashing and to feel sorry enough for you to do anything.

progressiveslol wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 2:35pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:29pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:24pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:21pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:19pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:08pm: culldav wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:06pm: Yes. Australia’s total planetary global carbon emissions is 1.5%. Gillard’s carbon tax will decrease these emissions by 0.004% of 1.5% over the next 18 years. This is suppose to help the planet?   every little bit, and everyone participating helps. What a cullnuff. That is just dumb. nuff no I agree. Let's sit on our hands and let everyone else worry about. Right? That's the smart thing to do! Another nuff to add to the list. one I should've added a long time ago. I dont know anyone that said do nothing. I hear plenty of people who dont even believe in your AGW cult, but are willing to appease you by doing something, not nothing, but certainly not what you nuts are asking. We are going to have to go renewable at some time, so we can do a little now and be ready in time. Exactly, which is why doing a little by implementing incentive is the right way to go. Unless of course you think transforming to renewable will come from growing more trees? Seriously a nuff.  mega nuff.  almost on par with cullnuff. Well I personally would say stuff you nuff nuts and dont appease them. But hey thats me. Think yourself lucky there are enough people around to appease your AGW bible bashing and to feel sorry enough for you to do anything.

Calling me an AGW bible basher is like calling anyone who doesn't think a carbon tax is needed as a climate change denier.

When have you heard me call clearly moderate and sensible people with their own views that happen to be against climate tax a climate change denier?

I simply call you one because clearly you are a partisan stooge with no mind of their own and ACTUALLY believe that there is no need for any progression whatsoever.

mozzaok wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:20pm:

Malcolm Turnbull has once again highlighted the inadequacy of the Coalition's Climate Change policies, and for all the potential swinging voters, who could never entertain supporting a Coalition led by Tony Abbott, we are watching with keen interest, and anticipation that this may be the start of Turnbull's campaign to retake the leadership of the Liberal party. With the amount of media support that Abbott has managed to garner for his anti-Carbon Tax stance, based on his own, personal, rejection of the scientific communities findings on Global Warming, it seems that Turnbull is prepared to stand by his belief in the need to seriously address the Climate change issue, and may be making a bold move where the winner takes all, leadership of the Libs, and leadership of the Nation, as our next PM. I sincerely hope he is successful for the sake of the country, and it's future generations. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/19/3220796.htm

Turnbull, been there done that.
He'll come back when Rudd or Latham are back. ;D ;D ;D
Abbott's doing just fine thank you in holding the most incompetent government in this countries history to account for their blithering blundering backflipping ways.
And just because Abbott fails to support in full the carbon dioxide tax and the associated tales that go with it to the satisfaction of the left doesn't mean for one moment he would make a bad PM.
I find it ironic that some Labor supporters would prefer to bag Abbott for this and that and focus on him as the Opposition leader, rather than focus on the glowing acheivements of Labor.
It means that the guy is doing his job.
And considering that Tony's stock is rising fast, and Juliar's stock is down their with a leper appearing at a Paris fashion show, I suspect Tony is going to ride this one to the next election where the most incompetent and inept government in our history will go to the polls standing on it's record. ;D ;D ;D
And it won't be pretty.

skippy. wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 2:24pm:

Quote: What about Oakeshott? Yea Turnbull would be a great leader, matty.

He was you mean.

"Is Turnbull making his move?"

Why? Has he got his hand on your knee?

So, will Abbott have the guts to try to expel Turnbull for disloyalty to his crown!?

Either way, would such a step stop - or trigger - the inevitable mutiny amongst the rats in the Liberal sewers!?

nemesis, can you provide some evidence for this slice of hypebole you posted earlier?

Business Leaders are also growing impatient with Abbott's recklessly-destabilising, counter-productive and destructive antics...

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 2:40pm:

progressiveslol wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:35pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:29pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:24pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:21pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:19pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:08pm: culldav wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:06pm: Yes. Australia’s total planetary global carbon emissions is 1.5%. Gillard’s carbon tax will decrease these emissions by 0.004% of 1.5% over the next 18 years. This is suppose to help the planet?   every little bit, and everyone participating helps. What a cullnuff. That is just dumb. nuff no I agree. Let's sit on our hands and let everyone else worry about. Right? That's the smart thing to do! Another nuff to add to the list. one I should've added a long time ago. I dont know anyone that said do nothing. I hear plenty of people who dont even believe in your AGW cult, but are willing to appease you by doing something, not nothing, but certainly not what you nuts are asking. We are going to have to go renewable at some time, so we can do a little now and be ready in time. Exactly, which is why doing a little by implementing incentive is the right way to go. Unless of course you think transforming to renewable will come from growing more trees? Seriously a nuff.  mega nuff.  almost on par with cullnuff. Well I personally would say stuff you nuff nuts and dont appease them. But hey thats me. Think yourself lucky there are enough people around to appease your AGW bible bashing and to feel sorry enough for you to do anything. Calling me an AGW bible basher is like calling anyone who doesn't think a carbon tax is needed as a climate change denier. When have you heard me call clearly moderate and sensible people with their own views that happen to be against climate tax a climate change denier? I simply call you one because clearly you are a partisan stooge with no mind of their own and ACTUALLY believe that there is no need for any progression whatsoever.

Right, you calling people 'nuffs' is your pseudo way of being PC on the denier claim.

As for me wanting or not wanting to do anything. I clearly state that we should do something but only for progression. Not nutbaggery. We should progress in time, because fossil fuels will dwindle over time.

progressiveslol wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:30pm:

Yeh he is moving to labor. Thats the only move he can make.

He'd be PM.

mavisdavis wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 2:55pm:

"Is Turnbull making his move?" Why? Has he got his hand on your knee?

oooooooooo naughty!

Equitist wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 2:59pm:

So, will Abbott have the guts to try to expel Turnbull for disloyalty to his crown!? Either way, would such a step stop - or trigger - the inevitable mutiny amongst the rats in the Liberal sewers!?

I doubt it nem... the Libs have minds of their own they are not puppets on a string as we have seen from the labor stalwarts...


the rats in the liberal sewers!!! wooooo... you have the most amazing vocabulary of anyone on here nem.. you never fail... you sound like you are just full of venum..I sure hope no one in your life comes if for a mouthful from you direct... it would have to be horrific I would think.

I think you would hav e been a wharfie in another life..lol

Abbott is under pressure - and it seems as if it is only a matter of time before Turnbull makes a formal move...

Meantime, it is clear that he is no longer prepared to parrot the party line on those things which go against his core beliefs...

Moreover, there are others who are fed up with the 3-ring circus that the Coalition has become - and they are starting to speak up too...

In the past, when Coalition pollies have spoken up on sideline issues, the excuse has been that their membership is a 'broad church' - but Turnbull (and others) are unhappy with the central divisive and obstructionist policy platform that Abbott has perched himself upon - and staked his leadership on...

Abbott is vulnerable - and Turnbull and his supporters are sensing this and getting ready to go in for the kill...

It remains to be seen, whether this will occur sooner rather than later - but you can rest assured that Abbott will try his best to invoke the 'popularly-elected leader' nonsense that the has trotted out in the past...

so nem would you rather he was bowing to the greens???? like your fav person is doing.. is that what your call BEING A GOOD PM?


I cant stand a PM that toadies to any minority for the sake of a vote.. but I get the distinct impression thats what you approve of.

which is of course your right.

we have had the worst of the worst govts for the past 3.5.years yet all you harp on is the opposition... I bet if we go back you didnt have a decent word to say about Turnbull..

I havent seen where Abbott is under pressure at all...

if anything I think its the second messiah that is feeling all sorts of pressure.

Small scraps from the LIBs table and the laborites are all excited

They are more excited about this than they were outraged when those people died as a result of the Pink Batts bungle

And still no condemnation from the left!!

cods wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 6:00pm:

so nem would you rather he was bowing to the greens???? like your fav person is doing.. is that what your call BEING A GOOD PM? I cant stand a PM that toadies to any minority for the sake of a vote.. but I get the distinct impression thats what you approve of. which is of course your right. we have had the worst of the worst govts for the past 3.5.years yet all you harp on is the opposition... I bet if we go back you didnt have a decent word to say about Turnbull.. I havent seen where Abbott is under pressure at all... if anything I think its the second messiah that is feeling all sorts of pressure.

You may recall, Cods, that my nickname for him was Talksbull - and that I was surprised that this 'pretty boy' wasn't more popular with female voters...

I remain concerned that he gained much of his wealth through dodgy business dealings...

He is a different sort of risk-taker to Abbott - and more of a backroom deal boy than a grandstander...

My main concern with him, is that he will be inclined to enter into dodgy public-private partnership deals...

Also by contrast, I doubt that he'd be as much into the tokenistic vote-buying bribes/handouts of his predecessors...

BTW, there are interesting discussions about this going on right now - on ABC's The Drum...

Glenn Milne has just stated on The Drum, that he reckons that Abbott should make a move against Turnbull over this - and sack him from the front bench...

Would Abbott have the guts to do this!?

Would it not be foolish of him to tempt fate by waving a red flag to Turnbull!?

mozzaok wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:20pm:

Malcolm Turnbull has once again highlighted the inadequacy of the Coalition's Climate Change policies, and for all the potential swinging voters, who could never entertain supporting a Coalition led by Tony Abbott, we are watching with keen interest, and anticipation that this may be the start of Turnbull's campaign to retake the leadership of the Liberal party. With the amount of media support that Abbott has managed to garner for his anti-Carbon Tax stance, based on his own, personal, rejection of the scientific communities findings on Global Warming, it seems that Turnbull is prepared to stand by his belief in the need to seriously address the Climate change issue, and may be making a bold move where the winner takes all, leadership of the Libs, and leadership of the Nation, as our next PM. I sincerely hope he is successful for the sake of the country, and it's future generations. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/19/3220796.htm

Turnbull will be questioned heavily over his views regarding the NBNs future under his potential Prime-ministership...

Looking forward to when those pointy questions herald Abbotts demise!  ;D

cods wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 6:00pm:

so nem would you rather he was bowing to the greens???? like your fav person is doing.. is that what your call BEING A GOOD PM? I cant stand a PM that toadies to any minority for the sake of a vote.. but I get the distinct impression thats what you approve of. which is of course your right. we have had the worst of the worst govts for the past 3.5.years yet all you harp on is the opposition... I bet if we go back you didnt have a decent word to say about Turnbull.. I havent seen where Abbott is under pressure at all... if anything I think its the second messiah that is feeling all sorts of pressure.

Bye Bye time-waster Tony !!!!!  :D

Maqqa wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 6:01pm:

Small scraps from the LIBs table and the laborites are all excited They are more excited about this than they were outraged when those people died as a result of the Pink Batts bungle And still no condemnation from the left!!

blood for oil war says what??????????????  :D

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 6:36pm:

Maqqa wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 6:01pm: Small scraps from the LIBs table and the laborites are all excited They are more excited about this than they were outraged when those people died as a result of the Pink Batts bungle And still no condemnation from the left!! blood for oil war says what??????????????  :D

if you don't like the oil from Iraq then don't usse the products that's derived from it

Equitist wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 6:18pm:

Glenn Milne has just stated on The Drum, that he reckons that Abbott should make a move against Turnbull over this - and sack him from the front bench... Would Abbott have the guts to do this!? Would it not be foolish of him to tempt fate by waving a red flag to Turnbull!?

If Gillard won't sack Rudd then why should Abbott sack Turnbull?

Maqqa wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 6:38pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 6:36pm: Maqqa wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 6:01pm: Small scraps from the LIBs table and the laborites are all excited They are more excited about this than they were outraged when those people died as a result of the Pink Batts bungle And still no condemnation from the left!! blood for oil war says what??????????????  :D if you don't like the oil from Iraq then don't usse the products that's derived from it

OOH, TOUGH GUY WITH THE HARDCORE ARGUMENTS!

You're a stupid person aren't ya!!!! Go on telly and say that, LOL!

...you're not very good at argument are ya buddy!??!

Lol, people must run from you real REAL fast ay buddy!!!!!!  :-*  :-[ :-[

Maqqa wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 6:39pm:

Equitist wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 6:18pm: Glenn Milne has just stated on The Drum, that he reckons that Abbott should make a move against Turnbull over this - and sack him from the front bench... Would Abbott have the guts to do this!? Would it not be foolish of him to tempt fate by waving a red flag to Turnbull!? If Gillard won't sack Rudd then why should Abbott sack Turnbull?

lol how simple are you!??!

My gawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwd!

:D :D

Maqqa wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 6:39pm:

Equitist wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 6:18pm: Glenn Milne has just stated on The Drum, that he reckons that Abbott should make a move against Turnbull over this - and sack him from the front bench... Would Abbott have the guts to do this!? Would it not be foolish of him to tempt fate by waving a red flag to Turnbull!? If Gillard won't sack Rudd then why should Abbott sack Turnbull?

You mean, aside from the fact that Rudd's popularity level remains low in caucus - and that Turnbull enjoys closer to 50% support in a deeply-divided party room!?

Equitist wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 6:46pm:

Maqqa wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 6:39pm: Equitist wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 6:18pm: Glenn Milne has just stated on The Drum, that he reckons that Abbott should make a move against Turnbull over this - and sack him from the front bench... Would Abbott have the guts to do this!? Would it not be foolish of him to tempt fate by waving a red flag to Turnbull!? If Gillard won't sack Rudd then why should Abbott sack Turnbull? You mean, aside from the fact that Rudd's popularity level remains low in caucus - and that Turnbull enjoys closer to 50% support in a deeply-divided party room!?

Maqsqat is back in the asylum.................. obviously!!!  :'( :'( :'( GO EASY WON'T YA!  :o ;) ;)

Its like Ive always said..Turnbull is the only honest pollie in the coalition.
Now that Abbott has alined himself with the sellers  of mass addiction, misery and death and the true cost and useless nature of his popularist carbon pollution policy has been revealed.
I wonder what huge and petty whinge Abbott will come up with to distract his deeply depressed fan base from the truth.
Abbott is an expert at playing to the worst aspects of human nature and milking it to his own selfish ends but even he cant hold out for another 2 yrs. Black hearted black lunged Abbott..Big Tobaccos best friend!   ;D

HEY, MAQQUA, COME BACK DOOD! WE WERE ONLY JOKING... ABBOTT HAS NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!  ;D :D ;) ;) :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( ::)

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I cant stand a PM that toadies to any minority for the sake of a vote

 from The incredibly thick one.

Gee, I wonder when the Nationals became a majority?
Successive Lib PM's have had to put up with minority idiocy from these guys for decades, but I guess you didn't think of that before making yet another breathtakingly silly statement, based on absolute partisanship, and ignorance.

culldav wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 2:14pm:

matty wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 2:09pm: [How could she not know? We are talking about Juliar here; she would have to be the dopiest thing walking around on two legs.  LOL

You don't actually follow politics much do you culdav?

The difference between Rudd and Turnbull is Rudd will only get votes from Queensland where as Turnbull is universally liked and respected.
The more Abbott takes the insane position on policies..eg Tobacco, Carbon Pollution, Asbestos victims and has no viable alternative to the budget or anything else the closer Turnbull gets to becoming our next PM.

adelcrow wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 12:46pm:

The difference between Rudd and Turnbull is Rudd will only get votes from Queensland where as Turnbull is universally liked and respected. The more Abbott takes the insane position on policies..eg Tobacco, Carbon Pollution, Asbestos victims and has no viable alternative to the budget or anything else the closer Turnbull gets to becoming our next PM.

Yep, its becoming clearer by the day,Abbott has nothing but rhetoric and lies, with Abbott getting caught out daily now, Turnbull is about to take him out. The budget reply will go down as the beginning of the end for Abbott, Turnbull will be PM in 2 years, no doubt about it.

I dont remember a budget reply, all i remember is more of the same old whinging about the same old rubbish.
Really if he is so incompetent that he cant come up with an alternative budget to back up his hysterical claims then he really is a waste of space and a one trick pony.

adelcrow wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 2:21pm:

I dont remember a budget reply, all i remember is more of the same old whinging about the same old rubbish. Really if he is so incompetent that he cant come up with an alternative budget to back up his hysterical claims then he really is a waste of space and a one trick pony.

My point exactly, he didn't make a budget reply, as is the norm, he instead whined and bitched about the gov. He is the first opposition leader EVER not to give an alternative budget. He's gone, you could see it in Turnbulls expression on his face during the budget reply,as soon as Abbott finished the reply Turnbull was out of the chamber, back to his office to begin number crunching no doubt. Since then Turnbull has been out in the media highlighting the difference between him and Abbott.I expect Turnbull to spend the next couple of months promoting himself and his visions, then about mid year, the  challenge.

skippy. wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 2:30pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 2:21pm: I dont remember a budget reply, all i remember is more of the same old whinging about the same old rubbish. Really if he is so incompetent that he cant come up with an alternative budget to back up his hysterical claims then he really is a waste of space and a one trick pony. My point exactly, he didn't make a budget reply, as is the norm, he instead whined and bitched about the gov. He is the first opposition leader EVER not to give an alternative budget. He's gone, you could see it in Turnbulls expression on his face during the budget reply,as soon as Abbott finished the reply Turnbull was out of the chamber, back to his office to begin number crunching no doubt. Since then Turnbull has been out in the media highlighting the difference between him and Abbott.I expect Turnbull to spend the next couple of months promoting himself and his visions, then about mid year, the  challenge.

DREAMER    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

FRED. wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 2:32pm:

skippy. wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 2:30pm: adelcrow wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 2:21pm: I dont remember a budget reply, all i remember is more of the same old whinging about the same old rubbish. Really if he is so incompetent that he cant come up with an alternative budget to back up his hysterical claims then he really is a waste of space and a one trick pony. My point exactly, he didn't make a budget reply, as is the norm, he instead whined and bitched about the gov. He is the first opposition leader EVER not to give an alternative budget. He's gone, you could see it in Turnbulls expression on his face during the budget reply,as soon as Abbott finished the reply Turnbull was out of the chamber, back to his office to begin number crunching no doubt. Since then Turnbull has been out in the media highlighting the difference between him and Abbott.I expect Turnbull to spend the next couple of months promoting himself and his visions, then about mid year, the  challenge. DREAMER    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Are you still trying to impersonate other posters here,FWEDO?????

skippy. wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 2:35pm:

FRED. wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 2:32pm: skippy. wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 2:30pm: adelcrow wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 2:21pm: I dont remember a budget reply, all i remember is more of the same old whinging about the same old rubbish. Really if he is so incompetent that he cant come up with an alternative budget to back up his hysterical claims then he really is a waste of space and a one trick pony. My point exactly, he didn't make a budget reply, as is the norm, he instead whined and bitched about the gov. He is the first opposition leader EVER not to give an alternative budget. He's gone, you could see it in Turnbulls expression on his face during the budget reply,as soon as Abbott finished the reply Turnbull was out of the chamber, back to his office to begin number crunching no doubt. Since then Turnbull has been out in the media highlighting the difference between him and Abbott.I expect Turnbull to spend the next couple of months promoting himself and his visions, then about mid year, the  challenge. DREAMER    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Are you still trying to impersonate other posters here,FWEDO?????

AH come on trooper   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I don't think Turnbull will look to move yet.

The coalition deserves to lose this election and Turnbull knows it.

If he wants to be PM he won't try to fight that natural flow of events too heavily!!!

THE LAST THINK HE WANTS IS THE LEADERSHIP AS A DESPERATE LAST MEASURE: HE WILL ONLY DO IT WITH MASSIVE SUPPORT AND CONCESSIONS GEARED TOWARD HIS VISION!

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The coalition deserves to lose this election and Turnbull knows it.

O undoubtedly, but do they deserve to lose it more than Labor deserves to lose it? Labor seems committed to hemorrhaging the intellectual, humanitarian left, faster than the Liberals bleed off small l liberals.  >:(

mozzaok wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:20pm:

Malcolm Turnbull has once again highlighted the inadequacy of the Coalition's Climate Change policies, and for all the potential swinging voters, who could never entertain supporting a Coalition led by Tony Abbott, we are watching with keen interest, and anticipation that this may be the start of Turnbull's campaign to retake the leadership of the Liberal party. With the amount of media support that Abbott has managed to garner for his anti-Carbon Tax stance, based on his own, personal, rejection of the scientific communities findings on Global Warming, it seems that Turnbull is prepared to stand by his belief in the need to seriously address the Climate change issue, and may be making a bold move where the winner takes all, leadership of the Libs, and leadership of the Nation, as our next PM. I sincerely hope he is successful for the sake of the country, and it's future generations. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/19/3220796.htm

all he wil get for his trouble is massive repudiation. the coalition has improved its position a monstrouns 28% in 2PP terms since turnball's day.  and the idiots like you who support him are just fodder for his ego.

Equitist wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 5:50pm:

Abbott is under pressure - and it seems as if it is only a matter of time before Turnbull makes a formal move... Meantime, it is clear that he is no longer prepared to parrot the party line on those things which go against his core beliefs... Moreover, there are others who are fed up with the 3-ring circus that the Coalition has become - and they are starting to speak up too... In the past, when Coalition pollies have spoken up on sideline issues, the excuse has been that their membership is a 'broad church' - but Turnbull (and others) are unhappy with the central divisive and obstructionist policy platform that Abbott has perched himself upon - and staked his leadership on... Abbott is vulnerable - and Turnbull and his supporters are sensing this and getting ready to go in for the kill... It remains to be seen, whether this will occur sooner rather than later - but you can rest assured that Abbott will try his best to invoke the 'popularly-elected leader' nonsense that the has trotted out in the past...

vulnerable with a 12% lead in the polls as opposed to Turnball's best which was 16% BEHIND?

Now that belief cast serious questions about your sanity!

Equitist wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 6:46pm:

Maqqa wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 6:39pm: Equitist wrote on May 19th, 2011 at 6:18pm: Glenn Milne has just stated on The Drum, that he reckons that Abbott should make a move against Turnbull over this - and sack him from the front bench... Would Abbott have the guts to do this!? Would it not be foolish of him to tempt fate by waving a red flag to Turnbull!? If Gillard won't sack Rudd then why should Abbott sack Turnbull? You mean, aside from the fact that Rudd's popularity level remains low in caucus - and that Turnbull enjoys closer to 50% support in a deeply-divided party room!?

2 years ago, nemesis. a lot has changed since then. for starters Abbott has destroyed Rudd and Gillard.

mozzaok wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 7:27pm:

Quote: I cant stand a PM that toadies to any minority for the sake of a vote  from The incredibly thick one. Gee, I wonder when the Nationals became a majority? Successive Lib PM's have had to put up with minority idiocy from these guys for decades, but I guess you didn't think of that before making yet another breathtakingly silly statement, based on absolute partisanship, and ignorance.

we could discuss the difference between a formal coalition of decades standing as opposed to one green independant. But that would require a few attributes from you that you clearly lack.

What a delight to read the never-ending "I Love Turnball' threads and posts from the laborites. Even a cursory analysis of these comments revela your intense dislike for Gillard and Labor - as is mirrored inthe electorate at large.  With all your pure wank about Turnball all you do is show us just how much Gillard will be crushed at the next election (before years end) by the Coalition and Abbott.

funny thing they forget longy.... Abbott knocked Turbull off his lowly perch.. wasnt he Mister 17% or something like that.. and then in a very short time Abbott took the Labor party  the brink..the very edge of annihilation...wouldnt that have made history?...
a stunning effort.

and now she wouldnt dare have another election she just wouldnt dare.

A 5 post ment. Longweekend, what's the board record?  ;D

cods wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 6:51pm:

funny thing they forget longy.... Abbott knocked Turbull off his lowly perch.. wasnt he Mister 17% or something like that.. and then in a very short time Abbott took the Labor party  the brink..the very edge of annihilation...wouldnt that have made history?... a stunning effort. and now she wouldnt dare have another election she just wouldnt dare.

If Abbott had gottne over the line and become PM these same clowns would still be saying Turnball is the better choice and that without him, the coalition is doomed. 12 years down the track and Abbots fourth term as PM and the message woudl stil be the same.

But the most important thing these political amateurs dont understand is that while this is going on EVERYONE is talking about Abbott. And that plays into his hands. Opposition leaaders often have trouble even getting reported but thanks to the numbnuts brown and gillard and the sad little laborites, Abbott is getting more airplay than any opposition leader in recent history and his polls are INCREASING.

Grey wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 7:04pm:

A 5 post ment. Longweekend, what's the board record?  ;D

go to any 'light' thread. some have 60 posts - all by him/her/it.

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 7:05pm:

Grey wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 7:04pm: A 5 post ment. Longweekend, what's the board record?  ;D go to any 'light' thread. some have 60 posts - all by him/her/it.

;D I hope you wouldn't want to judge yourself against that score. Look you shouldn't discourage Turnbull, At the moment a turnbull led Liberal party would turn Australia into a one party state. Abbott wont deliver that.

Grey wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 7:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 7:05pm: Grey wrote on May 20th, 2011 at 7:04pm: A 5 post ment. Longweekend, what's the board record?  ;D go to any 'light' thread. some have 60 posts - all by him/her/it. ;D I hope you wouldn't want to judge yourself against that score. Look you shouldn't discourage Turnbull, At the moment a turnbull led Liberal party would turn Australia into a one party state. Abbott wont deliver that.

that is something deathridesa bong would say. totally divorced from reality. in 2008 the laborites were proudly proclaiming the end of the libearl party coast to coast. a mere 2 years later the ALP is unelectable anywher in the country and slaughtered in most.

Grey wrote on May 20^th, 2011 at 6:20pm:

Quote: The coalition deserves to lose this election and Turnbull knows it. O undoubtedly, ::) but ::) do they deserve to lose it more than Labor deserves to lose it? Labor seems committed to hemorrhaging the intellectual, humanitarian left, faster than the Liberals bleed off small l liberals.  >:(

:D :D :D :D :D