http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/latest/9489116/gillard-support-crashes-in-qld-poll/

Suck it up laborites!! You've been desperately clinging to the one measuer that Gillard was in front - preferred PM and now Abbott has her beaten in this one as well!!!

and when will Gillard be dumped and Rudd put back in??????

John Howard was PM for more than a decade - I can believe anything these days.

It`s not surprising thet even Abbott, is perferred PM, over Silly Girl.

Well now it is official. Abbott has it over Gillard and labor in EVERY measure.

But the real question is will the knives come out qgain and stab Gillard in the back and replace her with Rudd?

Or Wendy?

Gillard is proving to be an outright disaster for Labor.

I do liken this to what I saw a number of years ago now in the UK.

John Major won the 1992 election in the UK against the odds at a time of economic turmoil and with a slender majority (21 in FPTTP is not much) and I recall many commentators saying this could be an error.

He was so hamstrung by those he relied on for support (he had to bend over backwards to get them to back him on Maastricht Treaty) and it ended up costing the Conservatives the election in 1997.

That win in 1992 was responsible for the Tories being in opposition for a decade. They only got back in 2010. 13 years later.

The situation here is much the same -

1) Labor have a leader who is held in little respect and seen by many to not hold morals or beliefs and will do/backflip on anything to stay in power

2) Labor is polling shockingly since doing a deal to stay in with no majority

3) They ditched an elected PM - people haven't forgotten that.

4) They are trying to impose on us a tax that they promised not to. Forget this whole LIAR business, it shows a lack of morals and values.

This could really see Labor out of power for another decade like happened with Major.
Difference is Major came off the back of 13 years in power for Tories, Labor were only in power for one term.
That is the epitome of a failure of connection with the people.

They are without doubt, guilty of "performing to the front row".
Their tax may sound good to economically insulated luvvies and Greenies, thing is, they make up a tiny proportion of the population.
The Australian people are made up mainly of families with mortgages, children, jobs and cost of living.

She'll find this out to her cost.

Be it from Labor with itchy trigger fingers (you can poll in the low 30's for only so long) - or the electorate.

Either way Labor is gone for this next election - but for how many more.

We could have Australia with 100% Liberal State Governments and a Federal one too.

Obviously, in my mind, that is a good thing.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 9:59am:

Gillard is proving to be an outright disaster for Labor. I do liken this to what I saw a number of years ago now in the UK. John Major won the 1992 election in the UK against the odds at a time of economic turmoil and with a slender majority (21 in FPTTP is not much) and I recall many commentators saying this could be an error. He was so hamstrung by those he relied on for support (he had to bend over backwards to get them to back him on Maastricht Treaty) and it ended up costing the Conservatives the election in 1997. That win in 1992 was responsible for the Tories being in opposition for a decade. They only got back in 2010. 13 years later. The situation here is much the same - 1) Labor have a leader who is held in little respect and seen by many to not hold morals or beliefs and will do/backflip on anything to stay in power 2) Labor is polling shockingly since doing a deal to stay in with no majority 3) They ditched an elected PM - people haven't forgotten that. 4) They are trying to impose on us a tax that they promised not to. Forget this whole LIAR business, it shows a lack of morals and values. This could really see Labor out of power for another decade like happened with Major. Difference is Major came off the back of 13 years in power for Tories, Labor were only in power for one term. That is the epitome of a failure of connection with the people. They are without doubt, guilty of "performing to the front row". Their tax may sound good to economically insulated luvvies and Greenies, thing is, they make up a tiny proportion of the population. The Australian people are made up mainly of families with mortgages, children, jobs and cost of living. She'll find this out to her cost. Be it from Labor with itchy trigger fingers (you can poll in the low 30's for only so long) - or the electorate. Either way Labor is gone for this next election - but for how many more. We could have Australia with 100% Liberal State Governments and a Federal one too. Obviously, in my mind, that is a good thing.

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Here is the Vice-Chancellor of Durham university with all his widsom on what happens in England.

This is not England dickhead if you don't know this is Australia it is suppose to be the country of your birth.

LOL...keep both hands above the keyboard, Longy et al - it was a poll in a single State...



longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 9:41am:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/latest/9489116/gillard-support-crashes-in-qld-poll/ Suck it up laborites!! You've been desperately clinging to the one measuer that Gillard was in front - preferred PM and now Abbott has her beaten in this one as well!!! and when will Gillard be dumped and Rudd put back in??????

http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/latest/9489116/gillard-support-crashes-in-qld-poll/


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Gillard support crashes in Qld: poll AAP May 21, 2011, 2:49 am Prime Minister Julia Gillard's popularity has crashed in Queensland, where her predecessor Kevin Rudd is preferred as Labor leader, a poll shows. Labor's primary vote has crashed to 28 per cent from 33.6 per cent at last year's election, a Galaxy poll conducted exclusively for The Courier-Mail has found. The ALP would lose even more marginal seats if the results were repeated across the nation. Ominously for the government, just 19 per cent of Queenslanders surveyed backed Ms Gillard to lead Labor. By comparison Mr Rudd, who lives in Brisbane, was three times as popular, garnering 59 per cent support. In other bad news for Ms Gillard, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott overtook her in the preferred prime minister stakes, adding 16 percentage points to lead 53 per cent to 47 per cent. Ms Gillard's 19 per cent rating as Labor leader is a dramatic fall from the 33 per cent she attracted in February. "Such is the popularity of Kevin Rudd in Queensland that there is consensus between Labor and LNP supporters, with both of the opinion that he is now the best choice to lead the federal Labor Party," Galaxy chief executive David Briggs said. The May 10 budget has not helped Treasurer Wayne Swan's popularity either, with his support as a potential Labor leader falling to 9 per cent from 15 per cent in February.

Since when, has Queensland ever been a barometer for the preferences and voting intentions of the rest of the Australian electorate!?

Equitist wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 10:10am:

Since when, has Queensland ever been a barometer for the preferences and voting intentions of the rest of the Australian electorate!?

Well ask Buzz.
He blamed Labor's Federal majority wipe-out on the states of Queensland and NSW!!

Have some of you forgotten, that Queensland is the State where One Nation polled over 20% of the primary in a State election!?

http://www.qhatlas.com.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/Slider200/Picture1_2.jpg

http://www.qhatlas.com.au/content/tale-two-elections-%E2%80%93-one-nation-and-political-protest


To view the graph properly, you'll need go to the link above and click on the image there...

http://www.qhatlas.com.au/content/tale-two-elections-%E2%80%93-one-nation-and-political-protest




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A tale of two elections – One Nation and political protest By: George Megalogenis Pauline Hanson the candidate was less effective than the political protest movement she spawned. Her only success, at the March 1996 federal election, pre-dated the formation of One Nation by a year. She recorded the largest swing against the Keating Labor government – 19.3 per cent – in the seat of Oxley, in south Brisbane. Each subsequent federal election she contested between 1998 and 2007 she lost. She also failed at the Queensland state election of 2009, and in New South Wales in 2003. For all those rejections, she still looms large in the state and national story because she turned politics on its head between 1996 and 2001. Ms Hanson’s maiden speech to parliament in September 1996 divided the nation into two shrill camps: those who thought she was speaking out on behalf of ordinary Australians and those who thought she was a racist. She formed One Nation six months later, in March 1997, and the opening round of Newspoll surveys showed she had attracted votes from all parties.  The Liberal Party suffered the most, especially among men aged 50-plus who switched from the John Howard-led government to One Nation. The rise of One Nation triggered a three-way shadow war between Liberal, National and Labor. The Liberals feared losing seats to Labor through One Nation preferences; the Nationals feared losing seats directly to One Nation. The competition between Coalition and Labor would help reshape the Queensland and the Federal political landscapes. At the State level, Queensland turned centre left, to Peter Beattie’s Labor. But at the Federal level, Queensland stuck with John Howard’s Coalition. Tactical responses - 1998 elections Mr Beattie and Mr Howard differed in their tactical responses to One Nation. But each leader prevailed for the same basic reason: they beat Ms Hanson at their own game, politics. One Nation’s ballot box debut at the Queensland State election in June 1998 was stunning. Rob Borbidge’s Coalition government had a one seat majority in the 89-member parliament and had the most at stake.  The National and Liberal parties advised their supporters to place One Nation ahead of Labor when allocating their preference votes. Labor, by contrast, placed One Nation last. The Labor strategy had the advantage of mixing principle with pragmatism. It was a pitch calculated to move city-based conservatives who didn’t like One Nation into the Labor column. The Coalition had the more complicated operation. It was trying to retrieve conservative votes that went to One Nation via the back door of preferences. The election result vindicated Labor, just. It held its number at 44 seats, while the Coalition lost 12 seats – 11 of which went to One Nation – to finish with 32. That left Labor one seat short of a majority, as it had been before the election. But Mr Beattie managed to form government with the support of one of the two independents. One Nation pulled in a primary vote of 22.7 per cent. Labor calculated that 7 per cent came off its own base and another 14 per cent from the Coalition. The message for the Howard government was there was no political benefit in courting One Nation preferences for the upcoming Federal election, which was held in September 1998. Mr Howard turned his campaign into a referendum on tax reform, denying Ms Hanson a platform on her favoured subjects of race and protectionism. Mr Howard had initially been agnostic toward Ms Hanson. He didn’t want to offend her followers by attacking her directly. The 1998 Federal election was a near-death experience for the Coalition. It lost the popular vote to Labor after preferences by 49 per cent to 51 per cent, but was able to contain the swing against it in many suburban and regional electorates in New South Wales and Queensland to leave it with a comfortable majority. One Nation collected 8.4 per cent of the primary votes for the House of Representatives in 1998, making it the third-most popular party after Labor and Liberal. Ms Hanson lost her bid for the new seat of Blair. Queensland was One Nation’s strongest state, where the vote was 14.4 per cent. 2001 elections A relieved Mr Howard thought One Nation had been beaten. But the party re-emerged as an existential threat in 2001. Again the State election in February was held before the Federal poll in November. Again the Coalition sought preferences from One Nation. Only this time the result was a landslide to Labor. Mr Beattie’s government was returned with 66 of the 89 seats. One Nation was reduced from 11 seats to 3 and its primary vote collapsed from 22.7 per cent to 8.7 per cent. The Nationals were left with 12 seats (down 9) and the Liberals with 3 seats (down 6), while the remaining 5 seats went to independents (up 3). Mr Howard took one look at the State result and decided he had to return One Nation primary votes to the Federal Coalition camp. The issue that helped deliver this ambition was border protection. At the 2001 Federal election, One Nation’s vote halved. It dropped by 4.3 per cent across Australia to just 4.1 per cent, and by 7.3 per cent in Queensland to 7.1 per cent. Tellingly, the Liberal primary vote increased by almost the same amount that it fell for One Nation: 3.2 per cent nationally and 5.6 per cent in Queensland.

I think that we could safely call the so-called 'Sunshine/Smart' State the 'Fickle State' - but, as this analysis suggests, Abbott's antics have created uncertainties and dissatisfaction across the nation...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/sunshine-state-cooling-on-julia-gillard-newspoll/story-fn59niix-1226029693589


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Sunshine State cooling on Julia Gillard: Newspoll    * Dennis Shanahan, Political editor    * From: The Australian    * March 29, 2011 12:00AM LABOR and Julia Gillard have suffered setbacks in the pivotal state of Queensland since the Prime Minister announced a carbon tax. The ALP's primary vote has dropped below its disastrous level at last August's election. As the federal opposition claims Ms Gillard's carbon tax contributed to the devastating state Labor loss in NSW on Saturday, the Gillard government's biggest losses of support have been in Queensland in the past two months. Since Ms Gillard announced her decision to "walk away" from her promise not to introduce a carbon tax and bring one in from July 1 next year, dissatisfaction with the Prime Minister has jumped by between three and 11 percentage points across the various states and age groups. Her greatest rise in dissatisfaction was in her home state of Victoria. Satisfaction with Tony Abbott has dropped in all states while dissatisfaction with the Opposition Leader leapt by as much as 11 percentage points in South Australia. It appears the past two months of bitter personal fighting between Ms Gillard and Mr Abbott over the proposed carbon tax has cost both leaders across-the-board losses in voter support. Mr Abbott has accused the Prime Minister of being a liar for breaking an election promise and Ms Gillard has said Mr Abbott is an extremist after he attended an anti-carbon tax rally at Parliament House alongside various far-right organisations. According to an analysis of Newspoll surveys taken last month and this month exclusively for The Australian, Labor's primary vote fell three points to 31 per cent in Queensland since the previous survey in October-December last year. This left Labor with a lower vote than the 33.6 per cent it gained at last year's election. Queensland, the home state of former prime minister Kevin Rudd, who was dumped in June last year but is still polling ahead of Ms Gillard as preferred Labor leader, accounted for Labor's worst losses last year and holds the marginal seats the ALP must regain to ensure victory at the next election. Dissatisfaction with Ms Gillard rose from 44 to 48 per cent in Queensland. Support for her as preferred prime minister fell from 49 to 42 per cent. Ms Gillard was accused of appearing "wooden" during the catastrophic floods in Queensland, was seen as less communicative than Queensland Premier Anna Bligh. She has been unfavourably compared in the media with Mr Rudd on foreign policy in the past two months. Queensland has overtaken Western Australia as Labor's "worst state" because the ALP's primary vote rose five points in the West to 35 per cent. Voter dissatisfaction with Mr Abbott rose in every state and among every age group, with South Australia's satisfaction with him falling from 46 to 37 per cent and dissatisfaction rising 11 points to 51 per cent. In Queensland, Mr Abbott's satisfaction fell three points to 40 per cent but this is now the Liberal leader's best state after a fall in his home state of NSW from 41 to 39 per cent. As well, Mr Abbott's support lifted in Queensland from 33 to 36 per cent, compared with Ms Gillard's 42 per cent after a fall from 49 per cent. Coalition primary support also rose in Queensland from 41 to 43 per cent and, on a two-party-preferred basis, the Coalition extended its lead from 52 to 48 per cent two months ago to 54 to 46 per cent. In Western Australia, Mr Abbott and the Coalition have lost some support after a jump in Labor's primary vote from an election-level low of 30 per cent to 35 per cent at the end of March. Ms Gillard's personal support also rose in the west. Dissatisfaction with both leaders in their home states rose, with Mr Abbott's dissatisfaction level rising from 44 to 50 per cent in NSW and Ms Gillard's rising 11 points in Victoria to 41 per cent. Ms Gillard remains preferred prime minister over Mr Abbott in all mainland states and with all demographic groups. Yesterday, Ms Gillard said that what happened on the weekend in NSW was "a state election - it was participated in by the people of NSW and they delivered their verdict in that state election". Mr Abbott said former NSW premier Kristina Keneally conceded that the "Labor Party have walked away from the Australian people and I think she's dead right".

I it is clear that electoral cynicism and distrust of pollies has grown exponentially since Abbott's ascension to Lib Leadership - and subsequent divisive and obstructive negativity...

I, for one, do not think that this is a good thing, for the nation's socio-economic stability and prosperity...

Its a shame for Tony Abbott that the next election is in 2013.
Its a bit like John Howards popularity plummeting when he introduced the GST but still had 2 yrs to another election..It was a waste of time and energy for the Labor Party gloating about that just as it is a waste of time and energy for the the ultra right movement to gloat about Abbotts popularity bought about by popularist slogans and fear campaigns.
Crikey..if its still the case in 2 yrs time I will worry about it then  :D

Although I despise the current Labor Party and think a Lib govt would do a better job, wouldn't it be poetry if Gillard was ousted by Rudd and he gave HER the boot..!! Oh, fingers crossed please happen!

Crikey..2 yrs is plenty of time for lung cancer from passive smoking to show up and prematurely end his life.
Just as it will with thousands of Aussies between now and then thanks to his support of the deadly tobacco industry.
Who knows what the next 2 yrs will bring ..hey he might even be knocked off his bike and killed by a driver having a seizure after discovering he has incurable lung disease bought on by contact with asbestos.
All of the above would be ironic..Im sure you would agree   ;D

Just when I was about to jump on Macca, for duplicating an existing thread...I realised that the culprit was Longy...

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1305929046


Maqqa wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 8:04am:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/9489116/gillard-support-crashes-in-qld-poll/ Prime Minister Julia Gillard's popularity has crashed in Queensland, where her predecessor Kevin Rudd is preferred as Labor leader, a poll shows. Labor's primary vote has crashed to 28 per cent from 33.6 per cent at last year's election, a Galaxy poll conducted exclusively for The Courier-Mail has found. The ALP would lose even more marginal seats if the results were repeated across the nation. Ominously for the government, just 19 per cent of Queenslanders surveyed backed Ms Gillard to lead Labor. By comparison Mr Rudd, who lives in Brisbane, was three times as popular, garnering 59 per cent support. In other bad news for Ms Gillard, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott overtook her in the preferred prime minister stakes, adding 16 percentage points to lead 53 per cent to 47 per cent. Ms Gillard's 19 per cent rating as Labor leader is a dramatic fall from the 33 per cent she attracted in February. "Such is the popularity of Kevin Rudd in Queensland that there is consensus between Labor and LNP supporters, with both of the opinion that he is now the best choice to lead the federal Labor Party," Galaxy chief executive David Briggs said. The May 10 budget has not helped Treasurer Wayne Swan's popularity either, with his support as a potential Labor leader falling to 9 per cent from 15 per cent in February.

Equitist wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 10:10am:

LOL...keep both hands above the keyboard, Longy et al - it was a poll in a single State... longweekend58 wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 9:41am: http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/latest/9489116/gillard-support-crashes-in-qld-poll/ Suck it up laborites!! You've been desperately clinging to the one measuer that Gillard was in front - preferred PM and now Abbott has her beaten in this one as well!!! and when will Gillard be dumped and Rudd put back in?????? http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/latest/9489116/gillard-support-crashes-in-qld-poll/ Quote: Gillard support crashes in Qld: poll AAP May 21, 2011, 2:49 am Prime Minister Julia Gillard's popularity has crashed in Queensland, where her predecessor Kevin Rudd is preferred as Labor leader, a poll shows. Labor's primary vote has crashed to 28 per cent from 33.6 per cent at last year's election, a Galaxy poll conducted exclusively for The Courier-Mail has found. The ALP would lose even more marginal seats if the results were repeated across the nation. Ominously for the government, just 19 per cent of Queenslanders surveyed backed Ms Gillard to lead Labor. By comparison Mr Rudd, who lives in Brisbane, was three times as popular, garnering 59 per cent support. In other bad news for Ms Gillard, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott overtook her in the preferred prime minister stakes, adding 16 percentage points to lead 53 per cent to 47 per cent. Ms Gillard's 19 per cent rating as Labor leader is a dramatic fall from the 33 per cent she attracted in February. "Such is the popularity of Kevin Rudd in Queensland that there is consensus between Labor and LNP supporters, with both of the opinion that he is now the best choice to lead the federal Labor Party," Galaxy chief executive David Briggs said. The May 10 budget has not helped Treasurer Wayne Swan's popularity either, with his support as a potential Labor leader falling to 9 per cent from 15 per cent in February. Since when, has Queensland ever been a barometer for the preferences and voting intentions of the rest of the Australian electorate!?

since the last federal election??? I know you think Abbott has a 1001 flaws and is eveil-incarnate, but the rest of the country does not. suck it up!

adelcrow wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 10:51am:

Its a shame for Tony Abbott that the next election is in 2013.

It's actually pretty much one by-election away.

That's the problem for Labor - they are so deeply unpopular now they have totally lost the ability to win the argument.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 11:41am:

adelcrow wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 10:51am: Its a shame for Tony Abbott that the next election is in 2013. It's actually pretty much one by-election away. That's the problem for Labor - they are so deeply unpopular now they have totally lost the ability to win the argument.

the current labor govt reminds me a lot of the Whitlam disaster. he too couldnt get a single policy right and was deeply unpopular. Gillard will end up being 'whitlamised'

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 11:41am:

adelcrow wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 10:51am: Its a shame for Tony Abbott that the next election is in 2013. It's actually pretty much one by-election away. That's the problem for Labor - they are so deeply unpopular now they have totally lost the ability to win the argument.

Could ALP/Greenies be any more optimistic/delusional? This "government" lasting until 2013? As if. There have been by-elections after every single election. There's no reason for this to be otherwise. They are hanging on by the thinnest of threads.

matty wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 12:15pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 11:41am: adelcrow wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 10:51am: Its a shame for Tony Abbott that the next election is in 2013. It's actually pretty much one by-election away. That's the problem for Labor - they are so deeply unpopular now they have totally lost the ability to win the argument. Could ALP/Greenies be any more optimistic/delusional? This "government" lasting until 2013? As if. There have been by-elections after every single election. There's no reason for this to be otherwise. They are hanging on by the thinnest of threads.

SPORTS BET   $1.53   Coalition     get in now    ;D ;D

That is a bargain actually.

Labor are no so deeply unpopular you have a PM who is openly calling on her own party members to 'keep the faith' - hardly the stuff of someone likely to win.

matty wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 12:15pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 11:41am: adelcrow wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 10:51am: Its a shame for Tony Abbott that the next election is in 2013. It's actually pretty much one by-election away. That's the problem for Labor - they are so deeply unpopular now they have totally lost the ability to win the argument. Could ALP/Greenies be any more optimistic/delusional? This "government" lasting until 2013? As if. There have been by-elections after every single election. There's no reason for this to be otherwise. They are hanging on by the thinnest of threads.

Given that things are finely-balanced - and that there is an ostensibly-equal chance that a Lab or Lib electorate will go to by-election - a single by-election would not necessarily cause the minority Govt to crash and burn...

BTW, I again urge you to revisit the respective demographics of the LibLab benches - which would tend to suggest that the a Lib/Nat is statistically more likely than a Lab to fall suddenly ill and/or cark it...

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Dislike of Abbott cost Libs election Mike Steketee From:The Australian May 21, 201112:00AM TONY Abbott looks like the giant-killer of Australian politics but according to new research, it was his unpopularity that cost the Liberals and Nationals the last election. The Australian Election Study, based on a detailed survey conducted immediately after the election in August, found that voters' dislike of the Opposition Leader added more than 1 per cent to Labor's vote. Julia Gillard's unpopularity also benefited the other side of politics but it increased the Coalition's vote by only 0.2 per cent. The net 0.9 per cent shift to Labor attributable to leadership was enough to keep Labor in power in an election where it finished with 50.12 per cent of the two-party-preferred vote and an equal number of seats to the Coalition (not including West Australian National Tony Crook, who sits as an independent).

Read on at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/dislike-of-abbott-cost-libs-election/story-fn59niix-1226059924848

I guess he owes you one.

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I just took a pol in my street and Bob Brown is the preferred PM, suck it up liarsweakend, silly old bag.

Equitist wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 12:29pm:

BTW, I again urge you to revisit the respective demographics of the LibLab benches - which would tend to suggest that the a Lib/Nat is statistically more likely than a Lab to fall suddenly ill and/or cark it...

Not sure I need to point it out but the opposition is not deeply unpopular.

In fact as we see in QLD, the Coalition primary vote returned 53% in this poll!!!

Face it -

A carbon tax is not popular at all. Robbing the middle classes is not popular at all.
Handing out our money like confetti is not popular at all.

The polls across the land are showing this is a Government in dire trouble and a PM that is sliding in every poll.

Bad, bad news.

Couldn't happen to a nicer set of people.  ;)

skippy. wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 12:33pm:


Since when, has [highlight]Queensland ever been a barometer for the preferences and voting intentions of the rest of the Australian electorate!?
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Do they go on such luxurious vacations too?

That's how you roll eh?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 12:34pm:

skippy. wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 12:33pm: Since when, has [highlight]Queensland ever been a barometer for the preferences and voting intentions of the rest of the Australian electorate!? [/highlight]

I just took a pol in my street and Bob Brown is the preferred PM, suck it up liarsweakend, silly old bag.[/quote]


Do they go on such luxurious vacations too?

That's how you roll eh?
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You'll have to grow a set of balls before you can troll me,sweet thing.

No trolling.

I am just massively impressed at holidays to Dubbo.

Assuming there is a bi election and Abbott gets in...then he will be only 1 bi election away from defeat..with a hostile senate to deal with.
Yep..thats a recipe for good stable govt   ;D
I think the cheer squad are ignoring the political reality while stuck in fairy tale land  ;)

Whats wrong with Dubbo Andrei?

adelcrow wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 12:41pm:

Assuming there is a bi election and Abbott gets in...then he will be only 1 bi election away from defeat..with a hostile senate to deal with. Yep..thats a recipe for good stable govt   ;D I think the cheer squad are ignoring the political reality while stuck in fairy tale land  ;)

No, Mr Abbott would call a new election, and get rid of Brown, Windsor, Oakeshott, Wilkie and Bandt.

Equitist wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 12:29pm:

matty wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 12:15pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 11:41am: adelcrow wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 10:51am: Its a shame for Tony Abbott that the next election is in 2013. It's actually pretty much one by-election away. That's the problem for Labor - they are so deeply unpopular now they have totally lost the ability to win the argument. Could ALP/Greenies be any more optimistic/delusional? This "government" lasting until 2013? As if. There have been by-elections after every single election. There's no reason for this to be otherwise. They are hanging on by the thinnest of threads. Given that things are finely-balanced - and that there is an ostensibly-equal chance that a Lab or Lib electorate will go to by-election - a single by-election would not necessarily cause the minority Govt to crash and burn... BTW, I again urge you to revisit the respective demographics of the LibLab benches - which would tend to suggest that the a Lib/Nat is statistically more likely than a Lab to fall suddenly ill and/or cark it...

True, but who knows what wil happen? Some people live to 100, some children die at a few days old. It's hard to predict. Statistically speaking, there is just as much chance (72-72) of either causing a by-election.

Also, why would the ALP keep Gillard when she is even (way) more unpopular than Rudd was, and he was in a majority government?

Life_goes_on wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 12:30pm:

Quote: Dislike of Abbott cost Libs election Mike Steketee From:The Australian May 21, 201112:00AM TONY Abbott looks like the giant-killer of Australian politics but according to new research, it was his unpopularity that cost the Liberals and Nationals the last election. The Australian Election Study, based on a detailed survey conducted immediately after the election in August, found that voters' dislike of the Opposition Leader added more than 1 per cent to Labor's vote. Julia Gillard's unpopularity also benefited the other side of politics but it increased the Coalition's vote by only 0.2 per cent. The net 0.9 per cent shift to Labor attributable to leadership was enough to keep Labor in power in an election where it finished with 50.12 per cent of the two-party-preferred vote and an equal number of seats to the Coalition (not including West Australian National Tony Crook, who sits as an independent). Read on at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/dislike-of-abbott-cost-libs-election/story-fn59niix-1226059924848 I guess he owes you one.

he took the libs from a 16% margin down up to evens. and the history since then is that more dislike gilalrd than abbott.  

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and the history since then is that more dislike gilalrd than abbott.

LIARSWEAKEND IS A LIAR

I still reckon you fellas are living in some sort of fairy tale land..should every govt call an election when they have to make tough decisions and they have a slump in the polls?
If that is the case we would never have govts with the courage to make any worthwhile decisions and Howard would have lost govt a dozen times over.
In short, its rediculous in the real world and only seems to be the bleating of a bunch or sore losers, Im glad Im not in business with any of you, the whining, "The Sky is Falling" and carry on when tough decisions have to be made is quite alarming.

Why start a new topic for this it could have been posted under the world ending tomorrow at 6pm discussion.

adelcrow wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 12:41pm:

Assuming there is a bi election and Abbott gets in...then he will be only 1 bi election away from defeat..with a hostile senate to deal with. Yep..thats a recipe for good stable govt   ;D I think the cheer squad are ignoring the political reality while stuck in fairy tale land  ;)

and if the 'hostile senate' rejects legislation twice Abbott woudl ahve a DD trigger. and we all know how well that will work out for labor and the GReens in the senate. there is even an outside chance of a liberal majority in the senate. Abbott is not a coward like Dudd and would use the trigger as soon as possible.

skippy. wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 12:50pm:

Quote: and the history since then is that more dislike gilalrd than abbott.     LIARSWEAKEND IS A LIAR

pity about the polls then, dim-bulb!  You must have real trouble reading - never mind understanding - the dreadful polls for labor as a whole and gillard as a PM!

Keep up your delusions, roo-girl.

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 12:58pm:

skippy. wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 12:50pm: Quote: and the history since then is that more dislike gilalrd than abbott.     LIARSWEAKEND IS A LIAR pity about the polls then, dim-bulb!  You must have real trouble reading - never mind understanding - the dreadful polls for labor as a whole and gillard as a PM! Keep up your delusions, roo-girl.

Why do you lie so much

adelcrow wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 12:55pm:

I still reckon you fellas are living in some sort of fairy tale land..should every govt call an election when they have to make tough decisions and they have a slump in the polls? If that is the case we would never have govts with the courage to make any worthwhile decisions and Howard would have lost govt a dozen times over. In short, its rediculous in the real world and only seems to be the bleating of a bunch or sore losers, Im glad Im not in business with any of you, the whining, "The Sky is Falling" and carry on when tough decisions have to be made is quite alarming.

The difference is pretty significant. On 2 out of 3 measures Labor lost the election and since then the floor has fallen out of their support. they are also acting like Whitlam did - incompetentyl and without regard for the public's opinion.

I still predict Alp will be out of office before year's end.

Do you fellas also realise that when an election is called Abbott is actually going to have to come up with real policies and not just popularist one liners?
Oppositions always look good when any govt has to do the hard yards because they dont have to do anything but critisize..easy peasy and anyone can do it   ;D
If Abbott is popular in 2 yrs time and gets voted in..then he deserves to be PM whether I like it or not..but for now, he is in opposition and has no policies or solutions to anything he is currently whinging about so his popularity in polls is really irrelavant. In short, popularism is easy in opposition, until an election..just look at history  :)

skippy. wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 1:00pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 12:58pm: skippy. wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 12:50pm: Quote: and the history since then is that more dislike gilalrd than abbott.     LIARSWEAKEND IS A LIAR pity about the polls then, dim-bulb!  You must have real trouble reading - never mind understanding - the dreadful polls for labor as a whole and gillard as a PM! Keep up your delusions, roo-girl. Why do you lie so much

poor little girl... dont liek the fact that the coalition is 12points AHEAD in the polls? dont like that the greens are dropping like a stone and labor is going sub-whitlam in its votes???

adelcrow wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 1:03pm:

Do you fellas also realise that when an election is called Abbott is actually going to have to come up with real policies and not just popularist one liners? Oppositions always look good when any govt has to do the hard yards because they dont have to do anything but critisize..easy peasy and anyone can do it   ;D If Abbott is popular in 2 yrs time and gets voted in..then he deserves to be PM whether I like it or not..but for now, he is in opposition and has no policies or solutions to anything he is currently whinging about so his popularity in polls is really irrelavant. In short, popularism is easy in opposition, until an election..just look at history  :)

until the 2007 election labor had only one policy - anti-workchoices.

If Abbott is clever and listens to Howard (and he is doing that!) he will not release policies until the election campaign. He has everything to lose and nothing to gain by giving gillard something to attack. Just as in NSW, all they had to do was attack labor and it worked spectacularly.

and the history since then is that more dislike gilalrd than abbott


Why did you lie about this

skippy. wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 1:07pm:

and the history since then is that more dislike gilalrd than abbott Why did you lie about this

did you not read the OP moron? your 24V life style in a 240V workd is obviously impinging badly on your ability to think.

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 1:10pm:

skippy. wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 1:07pm: and the history since then is that more dislike gilalrd than abbott Why did you lie about this did you not read the OP moron? your 24V life style in a 240V workd is obviously impinging badly on your ability to think.

The opening post writes about ONE survey, in ONE state,every other survey taken has had Gillard ahead, so you've lied again.   You really are sad old man.

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 1:00pm:

The difference is pretty significant. On 2 out of 3 measures Labor lost the election

There is only one measure of who wins an election in Australia and that is the number of votes held in the next parliament.



longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 1:00pm:

I still predict Alp will be out of office before year's end.

Your on a longshott  longy if thinking oakeshott will falter.

Dnarever wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 1:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 1:00pm: The difference is pretty significant. On 2 out of 3 measures Labor lost the election There is only one measure of who wins an election in Australia and that is the number of votes held in the next parliament. longweekend58 wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 1:00pm: I still predict Alp will be out of office before year's end. Your on a longshott  longy if thinking oakeshott will falter.

Detention centre hits Aboriginal heritage snag
Updated 40 minutes ago


Construction work at the Pontville Defence Force site is on hold. (ABC News)
A $15 million immigration detention centre planned for north of Hobart has hit a snag, with an ongoing Aboriginal heritage battle delaying its construction.

Up to 400 male asylum seekers were to be housed at the Pontville centre from next month, but the Immigration Department does not yet have an Aboriginal heritage permit to build on the site.

It has been reported an archaeologist would arrive at the site over the weekend.

But the Tasmanian Aboriginal community banned heritage surveys in December, demanding better protection for Aboriginal heritage.

Michael Mansell, legal director of the Tasmanian Aboriginal Centre, says the Australian Archaeological Association supports the ban so archaeologists should be ethically bound by it.

"Whether they are prepared to be a strike-breaker or not is a matter for them," he said.

An Immigration Department spokesman says it is committed to ensuring all relevant heritage obligations are met.

He says construction is due to start this month.

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ANOTHER   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

adelcrow wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 12:55pm:

I still reckon you fellas are living in some sort of fairy tale land..should every govt call an election when they have to make tough decisions and they have a slump in the polls? If that is the case we would never have govts with the courage to make any worthwhile decisions and Howard would have lost govt a dozen times over. .

There is a significant difference here.
This is a policy change that is in stark contrast than what was promised, which will hit every single household in terms of cost of living and is a Government which is just lurching from one disaster to the next.

This kind of unpopularity is not recovered in one term

They lost an entire majority after just one term and are getting even worse.

The next election is already gone for them.

They have alienated the middle class significantly.

Dnarever wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 1:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 1:00pm: The difference is pretty significant. On 2 out of 3 measures Labor lost the election There is only one measure of who wins an election in Australia and that is the number of votes held in the next parliament. longweekend58 wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 1:00pm: I still predict Alp will be out of office before year's end. Your on a longshott  longy if thinking oakeshott will falter.

It isn't necessarily because of Oakeshott. He doesn't have the courage to change, as he knows that he'll get the boot.

Dnarever wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 1:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 1:00pm: The difference is pretty significant. On 2 out of 3 measures Labor lost the election There is only one measure of who wins an election in Australia and that is the number of votes held in the next parliament. longweekend58 wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 1:00pm: I still predict Alp will be out of office before year's end. Your on a longshott  longy if thinking oakeshott will falter.

are you so sure of Wilkie?? if he doesnt get his way on the gambling legisltaion he WILL dump her. and what if the ALP gets YET ANOTHER MP charged with child sex crimes like in SA?

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 2:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 1:25pm: longweekend58 wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 1:00pm: The difference is pretty significant. On 2 out of 3 measures Labor lost the election There is only one measure of who wins an election in Australia and that is the number of votes held in the next parliament. longweekend58 wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 1:00pm: I still predict Alp will be out of office before year's end. Your on a longshott  longy if thinking oakeshott will falter. are you so sure of Wilkie?? if he doesnt get his way on the gambling legisltaion he WILL dump her. and what if the ALP gets YET ANOTHER MP charged with child sex crimes like in SA?

If he dosen't get his way on the gambling issue he should dump her, I believe it was always a condition of his support.

I can respect that.

matty wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 1:48pm:

It isn't necessarily because of Oakeshott. He doesn't have the courage to change, as he knows that he'll get the boot.

I doubt he would want to change - its not about courage.

How wonderful it was to have been proven correct, when I said the Australian Greens hold the key.  Thank you Australian Greens for supporting a labor government with your preferences.  Now when will the next election be I forget.  Oh yes that's right 2013.  It looks like those Green preferences do indeed make a difference.   Don't you worry though.   Crook on it will keep you posted.   :)      

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what if the ALP gets YET ANOTHER MP charged with child sex crimes like in SA?

What a pathetic little piss ant comment.

Q Why do B1 & B2 make better leaders than Abbott & Hockey?
A They're always happy, they know how to count, & bananas dont give you the sh*!s

skippy. wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 3:06pm:

Quote: what if the ALP gets YET ANOTHER MP charged with child sex crimes like in SA? What a pathetic little piss ant comment.

Again, the Libs are at a statistical disadvantage on this lowest common demographic denominator...

That said, they may have a better chance of any such indiscretions being systematically swept under the metaphorical carpet...

Meantime, you wanna hope that none of Pyne's liasons have been with borderline gaol bait...

skippy. wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 3:06pm:

Quote: what if the ALP gets YET ANOTHER MP charged with child sex crimes like in SA? What a pathetic little piss ant comment.

why? because it is true? and it isnt even the first second third or fourth such incident?

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 3:47pm:

skippy. wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 3:06pm: Quote: what if the ALP gets YET ANOTHER MP charged with child sex crimes like in SA? What a pathetic little piss ant comment. why? because it is true? and it isnt even the first second third or fourth such incident?

Pathetic old man

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 12:57pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 12:41pm: Assuming there is a bi election and Abbott gets in...then he will be only 1 bi election away from defeat..with a hostile senate to deal with. Yep..thats a recipe for good stable govt   ;D I think the cheer squad are ignoring the political reality while stuck in fairy tale land  ;) and if the 'hostile senate' rejects legislation twice Abbott woudl ahve a DD trigger. and we all know how well that will work out for labor and the GReens in the senate. there is even an outside chance of a liberal majority in the senate. Abbott is not a coward like Dudd and would use the trigger as soon as possible.

YOU TALK BIG!  ;D

adelcrow wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 1:03pm:

Do you fellas also realise that when an election is called Abbott is actually going to have to come up with real policies and not just popularist one liners? Oppositions always look good when any govt has to do the hard yards because they dont have to do anything but critisize..easy peasy and anyone can do it   ;D If Abbott is popular in 2 yrs time and gets voted in..then he deserves to be PM whether I like it or not..but for now, he is in opposition and has no policies or solutions to anything he is currently whinging about so his popularity in polls is really irrelavant. In short, popularism is easy in opposition, until an election..just look at history  :)

DON'T FORGET THE NUMBERS... SURELY CHRIST ULLMAN IS GOING TO GRILL HIM OVER HIS FACTS AND FIGURES REPUTATION!  :D

DON'T FORGET THE NUMBERS... SURELY CHRIST ULLMAN IS GOING TO GRILL HIM OVER HIS FACTS AND FIGURES REPUTATION!  :D

DON'T FORGET THE NUMBERS... SURELY CHRIST ULLMAN IS GOING TO GRILL HIM OVER HIS FACTS AND FIGURES REPUTATION!  :D

DON'T FORGET THE NUMBERS... SURELY CHRIST ULLMAN IS GOING TO GRILL HIM OVER HIS FACTS AND FIGURES REPUTATION!  :D

DON'T FORGET THE NUMBERS... SURELY CHRIST ULLMAN IS GOING TO GRILL HIM OVER HIS FACTS AND FIGURES REPUTATION!  :D

DON'T FORGET THE NUMBERS... SURELY CHRIST ULLMAN IS GOING TO GRILL HIM OVER HIS FACTS AND FIGURES REPUTATION!  :D

DON'T FORGET THE NUMBERS... SURELY CHRIST ULLMAN IS GOING TO GRILL HIM OVER HIS FACTS AND FIGURES REPUTATION!  :D

DON'T FORGET THE NUMBERS... SURELY CHRIST ULLMAN IS GOING TO GRILL HIM OVER HIS FACTS AND FIGURES REPUTATION!  :D

LET NONE OF US FORGET THE NUMBERS....


IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID, REMEMBER!!!!

HEY, EVERYBODY: REMEMBER THAT IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID!

;D ;D ;D ;) 8-) :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( [ALL HEIL KEVIN RUDD AND HIS MASSIVE BALLS!]

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 9:47am:

Well now it is official. Abbott has it over Gillard and labor in EVERY measure. But the real question is will the knives come out qgain and stab Gillard in the back and replace her with Rudd?

In the vernacular of Bill Lawry, Gillard is GAWWWNNN, on ya bike.



Doubtful if the ALP would go for Rudd again, maybe Bill Shorten is front runner.
Forget Wendy, he can't even tie his own shoelaces as he hasn't realised he's wearing loafers, and how appropriate is that!

longweekend58 wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 1:07pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 1:03pm: Do you fellas also realise that when an election is called Abbott is actually going to have to come up with real policies and not just popularist one liners? Oppositions always look good when any govt has to do the hard yards because they dont have to do anything but critisize..easy peasy and anyone can do it   ;D If Abbott is popular in 2 yrs time and gets voted in..then he deserves to be PM whether I like it or not..but for now, he is in opposition and has no policies or solutions to anything he is currently whinging about so his popularity in polls is really irrelavant. In short, popularism is easy in opposition, until an election..just look at history  :) until the 2007 election labor had only one policy - anti-workchoices. If Abbott is clever and listens to Howard (and he is doing that!) he will not release policies until the election campaign. He has everything to lose and nothing to gain by giving gillard something to attack. Just as in NSW, all they had to do was attack labor and it worked spectacularly.

ANTI- WHAT?

OH, SLAVES-HAVE NO CHOICES... THAT'S RIGHT  ::)

WASN'T THAT UNANNOUNCED?!!?

YEH, TRIP ON ABOUT THOSE GOOD OLD DAYS WHY DON'T YOU!  ;D

ABBOTT HAS ONLY GOT THE SMALL TARGET STRATEGY: HE CAN'T BOX IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING!!!  ;D ;D

HEY, WASN'T YOU WHO JUST A MERE FEW POSTS BACK TALKED ABOUT ABBOTT NOT BEING GUN-SHY!??!

YOU'RE A FULL ON JOKE DOOD!  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

JUST LIKE ABBOTT: FUNNY THAT AY!?????????!  :o

Abbott is not a coward

<< YES, longy alleged the above yet he is telling us that Abbott would be stupid to not play the cowardly 'small target' game....

:D :D

yeh, I love to hang around with Liberal voters smoking meth and talking large!!  :D :D :D :D :D MY FAVOURITE STORIES REVOLVE AROUND PETER COSTELLO AND INTEREST RATES AND PRAWNS AND CRAYFISH AND THEN IT'S TIME TO GET BACK ONTO PETER COSTELLO AND MAYBE BACK UP A FEW LONG STORIES ABOUT TONY ABBOTTS IMMENSE CAPACITY FOR MAKING SMART ECONOMIC DECISIONS DESPITE HAVING JUST TALKED ABOUT PETER COSTELLO FOR THE LAST 5 HOURS!!!!!

 :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ ::) 8-) 8-)

Get back to me in 2 yrs time..Ive seen enough polls and minority govts in my time to know the important poll is on election day..until then the neo cons are wetting their frilly panties for nothing   ;D

adelcrow wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 12:41pm:

Assuming there is a bi election and Abbott gets in...then he will be only 1 bi election away from defeat..with a hostile senate to deal with. Yep..thats a recipe for good stable govt   ;D ;)

Well no, because that wouldn't be what would happen.

If they had sense about them whatsoever, they would win the by-election, call a dissolution and an election and with Labor so deeply unpopular and the Greens shackled to this carbon tax madness, Abbott would be delivered a reasonably sized majority with which to govern.

There is no way they'd win a by-election and attempt to govern.

The independents would definitely lose their seats (Wilkie might win his).

Quote:

And the preferred PM is Tony Abbott!

Does this mean that Tony is automatically allocated the donkey vote?

Dnarever wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 5:11pm:

Quote: And the preferred PM is Tony Abbott! Does this mean that Tony is automatically allocated the donkey vote?

Did you know John Cleese was from Bristol?

We produce some greats eh?

John Cleese
Darth Vader
Carey Grant
Tony Robinson (Baldrick from Blackadder)
Me

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 21^st, 2011 at 5:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 21st, 2011 at 5:11pm: Quote: And the preferred PM is Tony Abbott! Does this mean that Tony is automatically allocated the donkey vote? Did you know John Cleese was from Bristol? We produce some greats eh? John Cleese Darth Vader Carey Grant Tony Robinson (Baldrick from Blackadder) Me

OK got me I laughed