This is priceless !!

You won't hear them talking about this on 3MTR or Andrew Bolts column LOL :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckcH0Wrmy74

I saw it on Q&A......the worm turns

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1306726441/13#13

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 1:36pm:

I saw it on Q&A......the worm turns

Pyne is now famous!!!!  ::)

PlayersPlay wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 6:44pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 1:36pm: I saw it on Q&A......the worm turns Pyne is now famous!!!!  ::)

It's terrible isn't it DTH.....Abbott raped your Barbie doll....what a nasty thing for him to have done....You should have been the only one who had sex with your Barbie...

And you can bet the cheer squad argued FOR  a carbon tax when Abbott spewed it out 2 yrs ago.
So far he supported Howards model which turned out to be the same as Rudds/Turnbulls model..then he went against it and suggested a carbon tax, then when Labor adopted that policy he changed his mind again and now all he wants to do is plant more trees. And of course when its suited him in the company of rednecks and grumpy old aged pensioners he's denied the science.
Abbott and his internet neo con cheer squad have had so many different views on this one topic Im surprised they dont disappear up their own clackers in all their confusion.

Here's the full interview, the pertinent question is put to him at the 7 minute mark. Listen to the question and listen to his full answer.
Even in the shortened 'gotcha' version of the OP, he said 'IF you want to ..."

That IF is very important in the context.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5QXblcJAr4&feature=youtu.be

Quote:

And you can bet the cheer squad argued FOR  a carbon tax when Abbott spewed it out 2 yrs ago.

WTF? You mean Turnbull?

Sprung!


Soren wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 8:38pm:

Here's the full interview, the pertinent question is put to him at the 7 minute mark. Listen to the question and listen to his full answer. Even in the shortened 'gotcha' version of the OP, he said 'IF you want to ..." That IF is very important in the context. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5QXblcJAr4&feature=youtu.be

Need I remind you, Soren, that you have repeatedly made the opposite argument in relation to Gillard's promise to implement a Carbon Price Mechanism - i.e. that you deny the relevance of the context in which she stated that there would be no Carbon Tax!?

Oh, and you're not in the minority amongst right whingers on this score - most of you have been at pains to quote her words out of context (and to post soundbyte videos of her out of context)!

She made it 100% clear that she would introduce a price on carbon if re-elected!

By contrast, even when taken in context, you cannot claim that Abbott wasn't advocating a Carbon Tax - not least because he went into detail as to how he might incorporate annual tax claims!

Hypocrites!

Here's the relevant context of Gillard's comments, as provided by the Lib web-site (in a picture, since some of you obviously have trouble with accepting words stated by non-Libs): -

http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Attachments/Snapshot_Lib_web-site_-_Gillard_pre-election_promise_of_CARBON_PRICE_MECHANISM.jpg

Equitist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 11:22pm:

She made it 100% clear that she would introduce a price on carbon if re-elected!

I, like millions of others,  missed that completly. Be good enough to show us just what the context actualy was of the "no carbon tax under the government I lead".

Soren wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 11:25pm:

Equitist wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 11:22pm: She made it 100% clear that she would introduce a price on carbon if re-elected! I, like millions of others,  missed that completly. Be good enough to show us just what the context actualy was of the "no carbon tax under the government I lead".

Again...here, for starters: -

http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Attachments/Snapshot_Lib_web-site_-_Gillard_pre-election_promise_of_CARBON_PRICE_MECHANISM.jpg

But there's more: -



Equitist wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2010 at 10:22am:

Update: - Equitist wrote on Sep 23rd, 2010 at 9:39am: If any of you were in any doubt as to the Lab's intentions, apparently the Libs weren't: - http://www.liberal.org.au/Latest-News/2010/08/20/Labor-great-big-new-tax.aspx Quote: Labor’s great big new tax on everything is coming back...it’s coming back... 20/08/10 "I don't rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, a market-based mechanism," – Julia Gillard, The Australian, 20th August 2010 Finally, on the last day of the campaign, Julia Gillard has confirmed what everybody knew: a re-elected Labor Government will legislate for a price on carbon. This great big new tax on everything will mean a higher cost of living for everyone, and will significantly raise electricity prices. The fact that the Greens are likely to have the balance of power in the Senate due to the secret Labor-Green preference deal means that a Labor wins guarantees a carbon tax. Ms Gillard and Mr Swan have been playing sneaky words games this election campaign, asserting that there won’t be a “carbon tax” – when the fact is, the so-called Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme is a carbon tax by another name. Ms Gillard has also gone to the ludicrous lengths of promising to set up a “Citizens’ Assembly” to try and hide the fact that she wants to bring the CPRS back. The truth is out – in Ms Gillard’s own words, a vote for Labor is a vote for the so-called Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme. The only way to stop Labor’s great big new tax on everything is to vote for the Coalition tomorrow. So, Bates, according to the Libs' own media releases: voters knew that they were voting for a carbon tax!? But, were the Libs telling porkies then, or are they telling porkies now... http://www.liberal.org.au/Latest-News/2010/09/16/Gillard-walks-away-from-her-Carbon-Tax-promise.aspx [quote] Gillard walks away from her Carbon Tax promise 16/09/10 Julia Gillard today walked away from her election-eve promise to oppose a costly carbon tax on Australian house-holders On the Friday before the election Ms Gillard stated categorically: “I rule out a carbon tax.” (The Australian, 20 August 2010) But today, when asked by media, would she rule out a carbon tax, she blinked: Gillard: Look, we, we’ve said we would work through options in good faith at the committee that I have formed involving of course the Greens … We want to work through options, have the discussions at that committee in good faith. Journalist: So you are not ruling it out then? Gillard: Well look ah, you know I just think the rule-in, rule-out games are a little bit silly. Before the election, she unambiguously ruled out a carbon tax. Now, after the election, ruling in or ruling out a carbon tax is now “a little bit silly” according to the PM. It now looks like Julia Gillard is opening the door to a plan by Labor’s partners, the Greens, for a carbon tax. Now, after the election, it appears that Labor has a secret plan to back-flip and support the tax. Before the election, Wayne Swan said: “what we rejected is this hysterical allegation that somehow we are moving towards a carbon tax” (Meet the Press, 15 August 2010). Mr Swan also said: “We have made our position very clear, we have ruled it out” (7.30 Report, 12 August 2010). Julia Gillard again claimed: “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead” (Channel 10, 16 August 2010). The Prime Minister was today speaking at a sustainability media event. But it’s now clear she hasn’t been able to sustain her pre-election promises to rule out a carbon tax. Hmmnnn....note that the 2 selectively-conflicting quotes both refer back to the same article in the Oz!

This would appear to be the article quoted by the Libs - note that the conflicting quotes were contained in the same paragraph: -

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983


Quote:

Julia Gillard's carbon price promise    * Paul Kelly and Dennis Shanahan    * From: The Australian    * August 20, 2010 12:00AM JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term. It will be part of a bold series of reforms that include school funding, education and health. In an election-eve interview with The Australian, the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a mandate for a carbon price, provided the community was ready for this step. "I don't rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, a market-based mechanism," she said of the next parliament. "I rule out a carbon tax." This is the strongest message Ms Gillard has sent about action on carbon pricing. While any carbon price would not be triggered until after the 2013 election, Ms Gillard would have two potential legislative partners next term - the Coalition or the Greens. She would legislate the carbon price next term if sufficient consensus existed. Earlier this year, then prime minister Kevin Rudd ditched Labor's plans to introduce a carbon price for the next term after the bills failed to pass the Senate.

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The Libs didn't miss this last opportunity to highlight an article from their beloved The Australian ram the point home that we were voting for a Gillard Carbon Tax either: -

http://www.liberal.org.au/Latest-News/2010/08/20/Labor-great-big-new-tax.aspx

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Oh, and there was also this snapshot taken from the Lib site from 12 August 2010 (in case you were still in any doubt that the issue of Swan and Gillard's Carbon Tax was all over the media in the weeks leading up to the 2010 Election): -

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So, Soren et al, are you now prepared to admit that the Libs - aided and abetted by the Australian Newspaper - ensured that the electorate was in no doubt whatsoever that the Gillard/Swan Labs intended to introduce a PRICE MECHANISM ON CARBON!?

Heck, the Libs and their beloved Australian Newspaper (and other partisan media outlets) even had the entire electorate convinced that a Lab win would be a mandate for a smacking CARBON TAX!!!

Is that enough CONTEXT for you lot to chew on and shove up your hypocritical backsides!?

THE AUSTRALIAN GOT PANNED ON THE DRUM TODAY!  :D :D :D 8-)

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He never lets the truth get in the way of a good story (sound-bite, interview, TV or Radio) !  ::) :P

Equitist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 11:52pm:

So, Soren et al, are you now prepared to admit that the Libs - aided and abetted by the Australian Newspaper - ensured that the electorate was in no doubt whatsoever that the Gillard/Swan Labs intended to introduce a PRICE MECHANISM ON CARBON!? Heck, the Libs and their beloved Australian Newspaper (and other partisan media outlets) even had the entire electorate convinced that a Lab win would be a mandate for a smacking CARBON TAX!!! Is that enough CONTEXT for you lot to chew on and shove up your hypocritical backsides!?

Equitists, thanks for your time tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGXGoYRKfnA

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